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Stone art?

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:13 pm
by JohnEagjehawk
I put a post on here the other week of some stuff I've been finding in the Whipstick forest.
So the first pic is of a small stack on an ant's nest I took weeks ago. I went back the other week to take another pic for my post only to find it scattered by a dirt biker.
I went back through this arvo after work to find it rebuilt, and different. You'll notice the same little green plant to the right.

Conditions were two days of rain here, so no prints anywhere.

Track accessible by 4wd or bike or foot.

Maybe someone fooling around with rocks, and ants. I'm probably just getting my hopes up!

I'll keep looking though.

John

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:03 pm
by Austral
Hi John. There has been a couple of reported sightings around Bendigo on yowie hunters audio reports. The Whipstick is a strainge bushland and pretty big. Im from Gunbower and go down through the Whipstick now and then.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:37 pm
by JohnEagjehawk
Thanks for the reply. There's plenty of mine shafts and drives anyone could hide in out the Whipstick from the old gold mining days. I've spent most of my life living on the edge of it and riding dirt bikes through it. Thanks to a badly broken leg from the bike I've taken up 4wdriving now.
Another story, my mate had a party last Saturday night. He's in the Whipstick, about a km or two from these stacks. I was chef and had two spit roasts going. Heard a big crash in the bush. Wasn't a thump like a branch coming down. More a smash. Like Hulk smash! Big smash in the bush. Just the one smash. Must have smelt the cooking! Maybe? Who knows.
I forgot to mention it to my mate, too many beers!
I'll have to ask him next time if he has strange things going on. I'll get back to that.
John.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:48 pm
by JohnEagjehawk
A few more pics i took today

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:50 pm
by yowiedan
Rock Stacks are 99% done by humans, most honest researchers don't take notice of them. So any pictures of rock stacks are not going to rock the boat unless they are along way off the trail and also proven to not be rock stacks done by Aboriginals. So just posting pictures of rock stacks and nothing else to back up where they are and how far away from known trails they are from will result in nothing other than negative results. You have to do more than just posting pictures!.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:50 am
by Austral
yowiedan wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:50 pm
Rock Stacks are 99% done by humans, most honest researchers don't take notice of them. So any pictures of rock stacks are not going to rock the boat unless they are along way off the trail and also proven to not be rock stacks done by Aboriginals. So just posting pictures of rock stacks and nothing else to back up where they are and how far away from known trails they are from will result in nothing other than negative results. You have to do more than just posting pictures!.
Your a dickhead yowiedan ! Why put this bloke down for posting pictures of what his found ?

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:52 am
by adventurer
Austral wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:50 am
yowiedan wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:50 pm
Rock Stacks are 99% done by humans, most honest researchers don't take notice of them. So any pictures of rock stacks are not going to rock the boat unless they are along way off the trail and also proven to not be rock stacks done by Aboriginals. So just posting pictures of rock stacks and nothing else to back up where they are and how far away from known trails they are from will result in nothing other than negative results. You have to do more than just posting pictures!.
Your a dickhead yowiedan ! Why put this bloke down for posting pictures of what his found ?
Got to agree, iv put plenty of rock stack pics up before, yes we havnt seen yowies building them but at the same time the cams have never shown people building them out there either. 2 different dates, how can a human remember how to build something nearly exactly the same weeks later.Dee

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:59 am
by Shazzoir
Austral wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:50 am
Your a dickhead yowiedan ! Why put this bloke down for posting pictures of what his found ?
I don't think insulting someone over their opinion and explanation is very fair, even if you think differently.

I get your message though, but until someone comes up with some proof of Hairies making rockstacks (and I've seen some I genuinely believe are marker cairns or 'calling cards' of the Hairy folk), there are thousands of bushwalkers, hikers, etc. who like to make them, because in the past 15 years, rock stacking has become a worldwide phenomenon. Just Google it to see.

It's just my view, also, that complex 'balanced' rocks are the work of humans, who like to prove their mastery. By balanced, I mean artfully positioned to counterbalance the weight of other rocks. Simple rock stacks of four maybe five stones, with a couple of big rocks and a few smaller ones, in no complex pattern make me think they might be possibly constructed by children or possibly, Hairies, who don't give a toss about how impressive their work looks, and who haven't mastered the ability to photograph and upload images to Instagram.

Where I live, there is a massive road/rail trail that stretches for kilometers and all along the thing, you can see rock stacks. Clearly one might assume these are human made, just because of the sheer volume of people who tramp and ride it every week (hundreds, unless there's an event on and then it's thousands).

Draw your conclusions from these photos I took at Moore/Linville.
https://imgur.com/gallery/DUJbqoJ

Shazz

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:05 am
by Shazzoir
adventurer wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:52 am
2 different dates, how can a human remember how to build something nearly exactly the same weeks later.Dee
Not to sound like I'm challenging you or anything, Dee, but an easy explanation for that lies in the humble mobile phone...I imagine most people would photograph their handiwork. They could easily refer back to a photo in their phone to rebuild so exactly as you mentioned (a good point, by the way).

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:09 am
by adventurer
Shazzoir wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:05 am
adventurer wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:52 am
2 different dates, how can a human remember how to build something nearly exactly the same weeks later.Dee
Not to sound like I'm challenging you or anything, Dee, but an easy explanation for that lies in the humble mobile phone...I imagine most people would photograph their handiwork. They could easily refer back to a photo in their phone to rebuild so exactly as you mentioned (a good point, by the way).
Hi Shazz, yes a person can take a pic. But i think they would have to be mentally disturbed to take the time to re-find the same smooth and same coloured rocks to errect the structure again, i mean wouldnt they have better things to do in life? And if if they put the same rocks hidden aside to rebuild the same one weeks later it shows me we have more nut cases in the world that i thought.
I guess why i showed these pics again is i feel dans quote of--You have to do more then post pictures!! is none of his business what other people post.
I do understand its not PROOF but hey this guy is starting where we all began and needs to go through all this for himself.
I for 1 are interested in these rocks as i came across wet ones that had just been errected, now theres only 1 way in and 1 way out for km's. So i KNOW people were not around to build this PARTICULAR one wet. Lets all just come together and maybe engage in WHY he thinks maybe it could have been the hairy men and not human made? Thanks Shazz.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:45 am
by Shazzoir
Yes, Dee, quite right, and again, a great suggestion. :) Thank you for your explanation, it certainly helps us to see how thoughts and logic and all the surrounding info you have (that we lack, simply because we haven't had your experiences, and cannot put ourselves in that arena) go into your words. :) (respekt)

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:38 am
by Austral
Yeah , sorry Dan. That was pretty wrong to say that. Now im the dick head.( again) .

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:41 am
by rowbe
I know many people on this site are very passionate about the hairy man subject. There is also many extremely experienced persons. However, there is one thing that will potentially stop a new member (and I am only new myself) from continuing on this site and hunting/researching, and that is constant put downs. Rather, if it doesn't look like a hairy man event, I would rather someone just provide potential examples on why it may not be a hairy man experience, as well as what we should be looking for.

Who knows that new member may be the one who actually finds valid evidence. The more of us out there can only be not only proactive but also productive.

Now in saying that, I thought genuine hairy man stone stacks either marked territory or was an indication on how many in the group (e.g., 4 stones, 4 entities). Aboriginals used them regularly (will have to research why - Anyone?) and with them being around for 80 000 years and co-existing you would think that the meaning of stone stacks would be similar if not the same for both. When I was a boy scout a stone stack or circle of rocks meant gone home.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:18 pm
by yowiedan
Austral wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:50 am
yowiedan wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:50 pm
Rock Stacks are 99% done by humans, most honest researchers don't take notice of them. So any pictures of rock stacks are not going to rock the boat unless they are along way off the trail and also proven to not be rock stacks done by Aboriginals. So just posting pictures of rock stacks and nothing else to back up where they are and how far away from known trails they are from will result in nothing other than negative results. You have to do more than just posting pictures!.
Your a dickhead yowiedan ! Why put this bloke down for posting pictures of what his found ?
Hello Austral, You can call me all the names under the sun, but until it is proven that Yowies make rock stacks by being filmed etc, a rock stack will only be a rock stack and more likely being done by hikers. I come across people making rock stacks all the time. It has been proven aboriginals made them and also hikers make them. But Yowies Ummmm maybe not!

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:16 pm
by JohnEagjehawk
Not trying to ruffle any feathers! Just putting up what I find. It's only a forum. Thought some people on here might like the picks. But I can't catch any humans or yowies making these! And this one from another location. Sorry they're all sideways. Tilt your head a bit!

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:47 am
by AL Pitman
Johneagjehawk
Going by some of the stacks that you have posted it could be fair to say that some of the more elaborate ones eg counter balance type stacks have obviously been erected by trendy humans .
However some of the rudimentary styled stacks do leave me wondering.
Yowiedan certainly makes a good point in saying that an exhibit is a lot more interesting if it was located well off the beaten path and even better if found in an area not accessed by humans .
I know of valley's not far from my farm here on the nsw nth coast that people have not been into in many many years if not at all.
I haven't had a go at the spots in my area yet as I think its a task best tackled with another like minded individual and unfortunately there's probably more chance of having an encounter with a hairy than finding someone that thinks in a similar way to myself Lol.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:37 pm
by JohnEagjehawk
Some are in the bush as I gold detecting and do a bit of walking through the scrub getting away from where other people have detected. Some are near tracks or just a few meters in. There's heaps more simple stacks around I haven't taken pics of yet. 3 or 4 stones. I'll get back out on the weekend and find some. All ways looking over my shoulder detecting as I'm usually on my own, never know what's out there. Dogs. Panthers! Might find some more gold to add to the collection too.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:43 pm
by Shazzoir
Interesting to meet a fellow detectorist here! I don't go after the shiny stuff, but might be able to when I retire, coins and odd finds are my main targets.
HHAGL!

Shazz

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:23 pm
by JohnEagjehawk
Bendigo is the second biggest gold producer in Australia then Kalgoorlie. I think! Still plenty of alluvial gold around, I have my spots. The Whipstick is renowned for big pure nuggets in the old days. Only small stuff these days. Plenty of trash, sometimes some old jewellery and buttons. I'd never thought of Yowies until I found this site. But I guess what I've read about them being sensitive to technology keeps them away. I use a $5000 Minelab that will punch down a meter or more, and I've dug some big holes. I guess the hum, whistles and screeches from it keeps anything away. Hopefully! There was a report of a sighting in the Bendigo Advertiser at a spot I go to in Jackass Flat. You'll find it if you google it, not on here. I'll have to get back in there for a look. Too many gold areas around here though, not enough days in a weekend!

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:38 pm
by JohnEagjehawk
Oh and Shaz, if you're running an old VLF machine, think of updating! They're only good for what's lying on top of the ground. Get a pulse induction Minelab 3000. Might pay $2500 for a second hand one but it will open your prospecting world up. Top machine. Trust me on that.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:16 am
by inthedark
AL Pitman wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:47 am
Johneagjehawk
Going by some of the stacks that you have posted it could be fair to say that some of the more elaborate ones eg counter balance type stacks have obviously been erected by trendy humans .
However some of the rudimentary styled stacks do leave me wondering.
Yowiedan certainly makes a good point in saying that an exhibit is a lot more interesting if it was located well off the beaten path and even better if found in an area not accessed by humans .
I know of valley's not far from my farm here on the nsw nth coast that people have not been into in many many years if not at all.
I haven't had a go at the spots in my area yet as I think its a task best tackled with another like minded individual and unfortunately there's probably more chance of having an encounter with a hairy than finding someone that thinks in a similar way to myself Lol.
The problem is .. no matter how remote the location is, if YOU'RE there, then other people probably have been also.

Re: Stone art?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:32 am
by Shazzoir
JohnEagjehawk wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:38 pm
Oh and Shaz, if you're running an old VLF machine, think of updating! They're only good for what's lying on top of the ground. Get a pulse induction Minelab 3000. Might pay $2500 for a second hand one but it will open your prospecting world up. Top machine. Trust me on that.
Hey John :)
Currently running a Minelab X-Terra 705, but looking to upgrade next year, it's served me well and paid for itself three times over now. I was looking at a 3030, but am also interested in the Nokta that came out last year (or maybe this one?), as I have two friends who have had phenomenal success with both units and each have their pros and cons. Can't love Minelab machines enough, tho, so the choice might be easier than I thought, so thanks for the tip. :)

ShazZ