Kill vs. Not Kill - the bigfoot debate (article)

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Kill vs. Not Kill - the bigfoot debate (article)

Unread post by Shazzoir » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:38 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techands ... id=UE01DHP

I would think most of us here are on the 'not kill' side of the fence, but feel free to discuss...

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Unread post by Brindabella Ranger » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:26 am

I echo these words, "“I am avowedly on the no-kill side,” John Kirk, President of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club, told Gizmodo. “The notion of killing a possible relative of humans is tantamount to homicide.”
I kinda get the want to kill in desperation of gaining that elusive evidence... but it's still wrong. Thankfully very few people get close enough for a head shot.
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Unread post by Wolf » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:54 am

The 'Kill for evidence' argument is flawed.
There have been many killed over the decades.
Every time Big Bro steps in, removes the body, sometimes even replaces it with an obvious fake (or 'encourages' the shooter to do so) and has a discussion with anyone involved suggesting they play along with whatever the MIB tell them or face consequences.
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Re: Kill vs. Not Kill - the bigfoot debate (article)

Unread post by micathia » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:12 am

Wolf wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:54 am
The 'Kill for evidence' argument is flawed.
There have been many killed over the decades.
Every time Big Bro steps in, removes the body, sometimes even replaces it with an obvious fake (or 'encourages' the shooter to do so) and has a discussion with anyone involved suggesting they play along with whatever the MIB tell them or face consequences.
Exactly! This is the main reason I believe field researchers today shouldn't spend money on cameras to "prove" their existence. Their existence, as most of us here believe, is already proved. Governments just deny it all the time. On the other hand, focus on sound recording could be much better. Sounds are harder to fake (not easily identified by our ears but easily identified by professional equipment/software), and it will produce abundant information for us to understand their language, which is also the key to understand their intelligence.

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Unread post by inthedark » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:33 am

Wolf wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:54 am
The 'Kill for evidence' argument is flawed.
There have been many killed over the decades.
Every time Big Bro steps in, removes the body, sometimes even replaces it with an obvious fake (or 'encourages' the shooter to do so) and has a discussion with anyone involved suggesting they play along with whatever the MIB tell them or face consequences.
Peter Caine, the President of the Bigfoot Community AND the Association, has a carcass (woot)

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Unread post by inthedark » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:10 am

micathia wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:12 am

Exactly! This is the main reason I believe field researchers today shouldn't spend money on cameras to "prove" their existence. Their existence, as most of us here believe, is already proved. Governments just deny it all the time. On the other hand, focus on sound recording could be much better. Sounds are harder to fake (not easily identified by our ears but easily identified by professional equipment/software), and it will produce abundant information for us to understand their language, which is also the key to understand their intelligence.
The problem with that is that vocals can be fairly easily mistaken, and fairly easily faked. Consider, if some kind of 'language' is recorded in a forest, the same assumption made by the researcher (that it must be BF, because it's language) is the very thing which falsifies it. If it's too human to be an animal, then it can be produced by a human.

I'm as keen to see evidence as most .. but for me, anything which can be explained by something else (things like vocals, footprints, stick shelters, etc) is never going to cut it. I hate to see time and money wasted on pursuit of these approaches, when that time and money could be used on obtaining DNA evidence. Or a body!

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Unread post by micathia » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:40 pm

inthedark wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:10 am

The problem with that is that vocals can be fairly easily mistaken, and fairly easily faked. Consider, if some kind of 'language' is recorded in a forest, the same assumption made by the researcher (that it must be BF, because it's language) is the very thing which falsifies it. If it's too human to be an animal, then it can be produced by a human.

I'm as keen to see evidence as most .. but for me, anything which can be explained by something else (things like vocals, footprints, stick shelters, etc) is never going to cut it. I hate to see time and money wasted on pursuit of these approaches, when that time and money could be used on obtaining DNA evidence. Or a body!
From what I have read (of course nothing can be approved), bigfoots are able to produce sounds that cover much larger "spectrum/frequency" than our speaking and hearing capacities. This can only be verified by professional devices. So we only hear what we can hear, and if we mimic, we can only mimic the part human can hear.

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Unread post by inthedark » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:07 pm

micathia wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:40 pm


From what I have read (of course nothing can be approved), bigfoots are able to produce sounds that cover much larger "spectrum/frequency" than our speaking and hearing capacities. This can only be verified by professional devices. So we only hear what we can hear, and if we mimic, we can only mimic the part human can hear.

How is this known, though? Without hard evidence of it, I mean? And surely, if such sounds are being captured by professional devices (or any decent sound recording equipment) and are captured in a properly controlled manner to obviate tampering or fakery, then such features of the vocals would be immediately identifiable. They would also be easily identified if they belonged to a known species.

I'm hoping this isn't just another case of 'no one is even trying' (like the failure to point trail cams at bait). This resistance to fairly simple tests is concerning.

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Unread post by micathia » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:13 pm

inthedark wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:07 pm


How is this known, though? Without hard evidence of it, I mean? And surely, if such sounds are being captured by professional devices (or any decent sound recording equipment) and are captured in a properly controlled manner to obviate tampering or fakery, then such features of the vocals would be immediately identifiable. They would also be easily identified if they belonged to a known species.

I'm hoping this isn't just another case of 'no one is even trying' (like the failure to point trail cams at bait). This resistance to fairly simple tests is concerning.


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Unread post by Wallofstink » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:44 am

A movie about trying to prove its exists would be cool ! a father and son go camping looking for the elusive hairy feller. They have massive luck bag one. Get chased out of the Forrest by the troop. father killed son floors the Toyota barely makes it out alive big foot arms and legs flapping out of a tarp covering the bleeding beast .ch9 picks it up live in the chopper .
Before u know it Every news network streaming live a 4wd doing a 100 on the free way with a half dead injured 8 and a half foot booga lying down in a trailer feet dragging on the road ..massive oj Simpson like commotion . Bringing a body in is one thing but who u gonna give it too and how ?

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Unread post by gregvalentine » Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:38 pm

Wallofstink wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:44 am
A movie about trying to prove its exists would be cool ! a father and son go camping looking for the elusive hairy feller. They have massive luck bag one. Get chased out of the Forrest by the troop. father killed son floors the Toyota barely makes it out alive big foot arms and legs flapping out of a tarp covering the bleeding beast .ch9 picks it up live in the chopper .
Before u know it Every news network streaming live a 4wd doing a 100 on the free way with a half dead injured 8 and a half foot booga lying down in a trailer feet dragging on the road ..massive oj Simpson like commotion . Bringing a body in is one thing but who u gonna give it too and how ?
You've been lookin' at too many movies, mate . . .

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Unread post by gregvalentine » Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:44 pm

gregvalentine wrote:
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You've been lookin' at too many movies, mate . . .
So how come "d.u.d.e." got translated to "mate"???

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Unread post by Simon M » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:53 am

Unless it was in self-defence I wouldn't agree with killing one of these things, whatever they really are. I suspect it would be murder.

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Unread post by Shazzoir » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:23 am

gregvalentine wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:44 pm
gregvalentine wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:38 pm
You've been lookin' at too many movies, mate . . .
So how come "d.u.d.e." got translated to "mate"???
Because 'd.u.d.e.' is an American expression and I suspect since this is a predominantly Aussie page and forum, that the substitution rule for 'mate' was implemented by the Admins/Dean. ;)

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Unread post by Yowie bait » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:57 pm

I would only kill a bigfoot if it was a life and death situation and in hand to hand combat. If i did get the upper hand though, i would give the bigfoot a chance to give up and even then i doubt i could deliver the killing blow if it refused to give up.
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Unread post by Dion » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:30 pm

I remember reading somewhere if you get into a fight with a junjudee and win.... they respect you.

It was some old indigenous lore I think?
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Unread post by Yowie bait » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:48 pm

Dion wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:30 pm
I remember reading somewhere if you get into a fight with a junjudee and win.... they respect you.

It was some old indigenous lore I think?

I remember reading something like that. Maybe in the Cropper/ Healy book? Seems fair enough but i reckon theyd be dirty fighters!

There is also a report in that book of a fella having to wrestle a junjudee if he wanted to cross a bridge on his way home as well. It was a regular thing by the sounds of it. I think he was an older fella too.Lol!

Another from the forum i think says that you need to stick fight a junjudee if challenged and to use a smaller stick and to let the junjudee win so im not sure what to do if the situation arises. Keep your distance and watch for the low blow i suppose!
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Unread post by Doorway » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:32 pm

I am in the No Shoot camp

...but if someone did shoot a full grown Yowie or Bigfoot, who is gunna carry it out back to the vehicle or home or whatever ?
They must weigh half a tonne ! (sweat drop)

If any of the dead Yowies relos are around chances of getting back to the vehicle etc may be slim.
That might be a case of "goodnight Mr Hunter " (scared)

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Unread post by Bluedog » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:40 pm

I think the only thing that will convince the scientific community and make them acknowledge the existence of Yowie, big foot will be a dead body of one.
I don't condone any person actively hunting one but maybe one day a body will be found be it road kill or self defence or natural causes.

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