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Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:58 am
by M-glass
Somewhere in a container in the basement garage is a slim booklet published some decades ago in the UK as result of a long-running episode involving Archbishop Cosmo Lang and a select committee of twelve who were tasked with deciding if the deceased are able to communicate with the living. The committee was raised as result of many hundreds/thousands of claims by ordinary people that the departed had communicated with them. The claims were made, in the main, to clergy and doctors and were often the result of incidents during and after the world wars

Those making the claims were sure of what they'd experienced. But such is society that validation rests on the opinions of clergy and doctors, both groups as a rule being sceptical to varying degrees

So, Mrs Jones is scrubbing potatoes during or after one of the world wars when who should appear next to her but her son Gerry, who, as she knows, died during a bomb blast three months ago. 'Hi Mum' said Gerry cheerily. He might have looked fit and healthy or, as in other cases, he may have had half his face missing and blood all down his army uniform. But, in that moment, Mrs Jones sees Gerry there, forgets he's dead and wipes her hands on her apron preparatory to giving him a hug. Then, in an instant, she's alone again in the kitchen. With a grim half smile, she returns to the potatoes. Maybe later, when she's fully composed, she tells her friend Marge about the incident. And Marge nods in understanding -- her own sister had the same thing happen to her when her husband Bert turned up at the end of her bed one night, the same night ,as it turns out, that Bert died when his ship went down. Such incidents were happening all over and some people wanted to know if it meant their deceased loved-one was really dead and if so, how could he turn up for an instant, looking perfectly alive. For answers, they went to their family doctor or vicar or priest, most of whom had no answers other than to advise to carry on and put it behind them

When the questions numbered in many thousands and when people were comparing experiences and distrustful of their priests and doctors, it was decided by the Church of England to conduct research in the hope of quietening the confused masses. None of the other major religions chose to become involved

Archbishop Cosmo Lang was chosen to head the committee of twelve. And the committee was required to read many of the written submissions by those claiming to have been contacted by the deceased in addition, I think, to interviewing many of the claimants

The results were a long time coming --- several decades. It's said that in delaying release of the committee's findings, it was hoped many of the claimants would themselves be deceased and the entire matter would fade to obscurity

Back when the internet was a joy to behold, much of this information was readily accessible. Increasingly however, information is being removed/buried. Which makes me thankful I obtained a copy of the slim little booklet years ago, even though it's buried now somewhere within hundreds of books

What the booklet revealed (and as was accessible online twenty years ago) is that the committee charged with deciding if the dead are able to communicate with the living voted overwhelmingly, ' yes', based on their research/interviews/submissions, etc.

The committee was weighted in favour of 'no', by the way. Those selected for the committee were sceptics. But the evidence apparently swayed them. From memory, ten of the twelve attested that based on evidence provided them, it would seem the dead are able to communicate with the living. The remaining two members abstained from voting ' in the interests of balance ' -- otherwise they too would have voted ' yes '

So disturbing was this to the powers that be, apparently, that they delayed the release of the committee's findings. And when it was released, it was without fanfare

I learned of the committee and its findings from a retired businessman in the UK who, since retirement, has devoted his time and energies to 'survival of physical death'. Upon request, he sent the booklet to me. Along with the booklet, he sent copies of written communication to him, penned by clergy in the UK. A passage from one of these went on to say that these days, most enlightened clergy take pains to include the deceased within funerals and graveside commentary because it's assumed that many deceased choose to attend their own funeral. And every now and then you'll come across someone who claims they saw the deceased at their own funeral. Such claims are usually pooh poohed and those making the claim are often believed to be clutching at straws due to grief, or to have ' seen what they wanted to see ' --- which may be true. On the other hand, perhaps some with the sight actually do see second-cousin Lou at his funeral, even though they had no attachment to him or detested him in life

One thing for which I have little patience is the common belief (apparently) that the physically deceased loiter around cemeteries. Does anyone ask themselves why … if they manifested as a ghost … they'd hang around a cemetery about which they knew and cared even less, when alive? Would you do that? Or would you … as a ghost … choose to hang around places which had value and meaning to you while you were alive, perhaps a favourite pub or club, or special to you place such as a work-shed or garden or even your past employment premises or business?

How many of us know right now where we'll be buried? And those who do know because they purchased the plot years ago --- would you, as a ghost, loiter around that bit of ground in a cemetery, surrounded by other decaying bodies, far from everyone and everything you loved in life ? Surely even the most boring individual would want more from the afterlife?

Yet lucrative ghost-tours haunt cemeteries several nights a week in most major cities and people ooh and ahh and take photos which often contain 'orbs' which they want to believe are evidence of one or more spirits. Far as I know, there are no ghost tours of crematoriums, which begs the question .. why not? Should be the same as cemeteries, spirit-appearance wise. Probably an opportunity for a new business in that ---- crematorium ghost-tours

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:06 pm
by Yowie bait
M-glass wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:58 am
Somewhere in a container in the basement garage is a slim booklet published some decades ago in the UK as result of a long-running episode involving Archbishop Cosmo Lang and a select committee of twelve who were tasked with deciding if the deceased are able to communicate with the living. The committee was raised as result of many hundreds/thousands of claims by ordinary people that the departed had communicated with them. The claims were made, in the main, to clergy and doctors and were often the result of incidents during and after the world wars

Those making the claims were sure of what they'd experienced. But such is society that validation rests on the opinions of clergy and doctors, both groups as a rule being sceptical to varying degrees

So, Mrs Jones is scrubbing potatoes during or after one of the world wars when who should appear next to her but her son Gerry, who, as she knows, died during a bomb blast three months ago. 'Hi Mum' said Gerry cheerily. He might have looked fit and healthy or, as in other cases, he may have had half his face missing and blood all down his army uniform. But, in that moment, Mrs Jones sees Gerry there, forgets he's dead and wipes her hands on her apron preparatory to giving him a hug. Then, in an instant, she's alone again in the kitchen. With a grim half smile, she returns to the potatoes. Maybe later, when she's fully composed, she tells her friend Marge about the incident. And Marge nods in understanding -- her own sister had the same thing happen to her when her husband Bert turned up at the end of her bed one night, the same night ,as it turns out, that Bert died when his ship went down. Such incidents were happening all over and some people wanted to know if it meant their deceased loved-one was really dead and if so, how could he turn up for an instant, looking perfectly alive. For answers, they went to their family doctor or vicar or priest, most of whom had no answers other than to advise to carry on and put it behind them

When the questions numbered in many thousands and when people were comparing experiences and distrustful of their priests and doctors, it was decided by the Church of England to conduct research in the hope of quietening the confused masses. None of the other major religions chose to become involved

Archbishop Cosmo Lang was chosen to head the committee of twelve. And the committee was required to read many of the written submissions by those claiming to have been contacted by the deceased in addition, I think, to interviewing many of the claimants

The results were a long time coming --- several decades. It's said that in delaying release of the committee's findings, it was hoped many of the claimants would themselves be deceased and the entire matter would fade to obscurity

Back when the internet was a joy to behold, much of this information was readily accessible. Increasingly however, information is being removed/buried. Which makes me thankful I obtained a copy of the slim little booklet years ago, even though it's buried now somewhere within hundreds of books

What the booklet revealed (and as was accessible online twenty years ago) is that the committee charged with deciding if the dead are able to communicate with the living voted overwhelmingly, ' yes', based on their research/interviews/submissions, etc.

The committee was weighted in favour of 'no', by the way. Those selected for the committee were sceptics. But the evidence apparently swayed them. From memory, ten of the twelve attested that based on evidence provided them, it would seem the dead are able to communicate with the living. The remaining two members abstained from voting ' in the interests of balance ' -- otherwise they too would have voted ' yes '

So disturbing was this to the powers that be, apparently, that they delayed the release of the committee's findings. And when it was released, it was without fanfare

I learned of the committee and its findings from a retired businessman in the UK who, since retirement, has devoted his time and energies to 'survival of physical death'. Upon request, he sent the booklet to me. Along with the booklet, he sent copies of written communication to him, penned by clergy in the UK. A passage from one of these went on to say that these days, most enlightened clergy take pains to include the deceased within funerals and graveside commentary because it's assumed that many deceased choose to attend their own funeral. And every now and then you'll come across someone who claims they saw the deceased at their own funeral. Such claims are usually pooh poohed and those making the claim are often believed to be clutching at straws due to grief, or to have ' seen what they wanted to see ' --- which may be true. On the other hand, perhaps some with the sight actually do see second-cousin Lou at his funeral, even though they had no attachment to him or detested him in life

One thing for which I have little patience is the common belief (apparently) that the physically deceased loiter around cemeteries. Does anyone ask themselves why … if they manifested as a ghost … they'd hang around a cemetery about which they knew and cared even less, when alive? Would you do that? Or would you … as a ghost … choose to hang around places which had value and meaning to you while you were alive, perhaps a favourite pub or club, or special to you place such as a work-shed or garden or even your past employment premises or business?

How many of us know right now where we'll be buried? And those who do know because they purchased the plot years ago --- would you, as a ghost, loiter around that bit of ground in a cemetery, surrounded by other decaying bodies, far from everyone and everything you loved in life ? Surely even the most boring individual would want more from the afterlife?

Yet lucrative ghost-tours haunt cemeteries several nights a week in most major cities and people ooh and ahh and take photos which often contain 'orbs' which they want to believe are evidence of one or more spirits. Far as I know, there are no ghost tours of crematoriums, which begs the question .. why not? Should be the same as cemeteries, spirit-appearance wise. Probably an opportunity for a new business in that ---- crematorium ghost-tours
Very interesting M-glass. Thanks for taking the time for the lengthy but enlightening posts! Just on the deceased contacting the dead. I believe it happens but also wonder if there are also malevolent beings as well pretending to be the deceased. I have heard this is possible and dont doubt it.

Just a few stories on the deceased appearing after or during death.

A man was walking down the street and saw his sister pull up in a car across the road. Unfortunately he knew it couldn't be her as she was in hospital and the car was nothing like hers so really no reason for him to notice it anyway. He looks again and its a total stranger that looks nothing like his sister.


10 minutes later hes walking back and passes the exact spot and gets a call from his brother informing him that the sister had died. For the next few weeks he has paranormal activity in his house.

Another gets visited by a deceased freind who just suddenly appears face to face which scares the hell out of him. Eventually he has to ask the deceased freind to not appear so close as its becoming traumatic and really freaking them out.

I have heard the stories from people from all walks of life, professionals and nationalities and when some highly intelligent, well respected individuals state as plain as day that they are having these experiences in the home and warn you about it then that is even more legitimate.

I have heard so many stories like this as well as my own experiences and there really is something to it i am positive. Unfortunately science,skeptics etc dont agree and they are the ones calling the shots and most respected of all so we all must be delusional idiots if we are having these experiences.

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:37 pm
by Dion
Yowie bait wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:06 pm
Just on the deceased contacting the dead. I believe it happens but also wonder if there are also malevolent beings as well pretending to be the deceased. I have heard this is possible and dont doubt it.
These are exactly my thoughts on the matter to Yowie bait, particularly those of clairvoyants and psychics who use peoples emotions to give them hope that their loved ones could still be with us all the while giving false and misleading information, mind you sometimes unintentionally. Malevolent beings can and will use all kinds of decent human beings to get there misleading information out and dont get me wrong, I believe there could be some good very good intentioned people out there who are well trained up and gifted people, but for every 1 good clairvoyant or psychic there would be 50-100 bad ones who will do anything for a quick buck $$$$.

Malevolent beings pretending to be the deceased is very real.

Having said that there is always the opposite to the coin. (angel)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:05 pm
by Yowie bait
Dion wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:37 pm
Yowie bait wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:06 pm
Just on the deceased contacting the dead. I believe it happens but also wonder if there are also malevolent beings as well pretending to be the deceased. I have heard this is possible and dont doubt it.
These are exactly my thoughts on the matter to Yowie bait, particularly those of clairvoyants and psychics who use peoples emotions to give them hope that their loved ones could still be with us all the while giving false and misleading information, mind you sometimes unintentionally. Malevolent beings can and will use all kinds of decent human beings to get there misleading information out and dont get me wrong, I believe there could be some good very good intentioned people out there who are well trained up and gifted people, but for every 1 good clairvoyant or psychic there would be 50-100 bad ones who will do anything for a quick buck $$$$.

Malevolent beings pretending to be the deceased is very real.

Having said that there is always the opposite to the coin. (angel)
Hi Dion. Im sure theres good and bad and what better victim than someone who has suffered a loss and is vulnerable. Something to be wary of for sure.

Even displaying a tiny bit of paranormal activity would make even the most skeptical person curious/interested.

Still i don't doubt any of these people who claim to have witnessed or communicated with spirits of deceased people.

It s something you would have to be sure of. Like was it voices or when they were sleeping or did they actually see the persons ghost or actually talking to them?

Seems a whole other hidden world of weirdness out there.

Yeah i reckon a real psychic or medium is rare. Lots of dodgies out there taking advantage of people. (thumb Down)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:51 am
by Dion
Yeah spot on Yowie bait, (thumb up)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:09 am
by M-glass
Hi Yowie Bait and Dion --- like you, I've read that ghosts are what Keel, Vallee and others claim are tricksters. Most of what I've read has been in the form of comments online -- people warning that the ghost of granny is actually a demonic entity playing around to mislead or draw in the unwary. It's a sentiment that's swept like wildfire online but to be suspected is that those issuing the warnings received those same warnings second or tenth hand from others. The root of the belief and warnings most likely stems from members of the clergy. And the clergy have to protect their turf. And Keel and Vallee wouldn't have sold a book, most likely, if they hadn't latched on to and written about the same things they profess to warn about. So … vested interests all around. We're the human herd which is misled by vested interests at every turn. How many millions of people through the ages have been visited by their discarnate loved-ones, only to be admonished by some man in a frock with the result being the deceased were shunned by those with whom they'd attempted to communicate and comfort?

But --- religion's head-quarters, the Vatican no less, appears to be more than comfortable with contact from the deceased -- when it suits. Most of you would have read or heard about the Vatican sound-recordist I think he was who was contacted mid-recording by a bodiless voice sounding very much like his late father. The voice spoke to the sound-recordist in very familiar terms and addressed him as 'Zucchini', which happened to be the recordist's nickname bestowed upon him by his father in childhood. The sound recordist was confused and approached his superior to ask if this contact, initiated by his deceased father, was to be trusted and if so, it must contravene the church's teachings and beliefs. The superior assured him there was nothing to worry about and of course it must have been his father. But the recordist continued to fret and ended up being referred to someone higher up. Again, he was assured it was all perfectly normal and good and he should not be afraid nor apprehensive because contact from the dead was commonplace, etc. This was printed in newspapers which went on to say that the Vatican had appointed a pair of Jesuits to conduct research into disembodied voices of the dead. The Jesuits, in due time, reported back to say they'd captured the voices of hundreds of the deceased and they went on to publish a book containing their findings. At around the same decade, a senior Vatican spokesperson said we should welcome space-aliens for they, like us, were members of God's creation. I'll try to find some links later

It's the Vatican which has what's described as a satanic hall with the snake's head centrepiece hovering over what most consider to be a satanically-inspired and grotesque representation of Christ surrounded by who knows what

Ok. Located the Vatican and sound recordist's contact from his deceased father but I'm not used to this site and don't know how to create a link which would take you straight to it. The actual url is massive. So if you type in ' Vatican sound recordist heard his dead father's voice' into Google, it should take you to an excerpt from a book (The Complete Book of Ghosts: A fascinating Exploration of the Spirit World by Paul Roland). If you scroll up a bit to ' The Pope's Parapsychologists', you'll be able to read the story. And it was the Pope himself, apparently, who assured the sound recordist that hearing his father's voice was nothing to worry about. In fact, as I read a bit further along, the Pope's brother was a 'staunch advocate for the investigation of EVP ' (electronic voice phenomena)

And here's another version of the tale: https://allaboutheaven.org/observations ... 023139/221

I'm not anti-religion and believe it can do a lot of good. But I think I trust my fellow human beings more. And when countless millions of people just like you and I say they've seen or heard something, I'm inclined to believe that they believe what they're claiming. No doubt a lot of what they claim is attributable to wishful thinking whilst others embroider & exaggerate or downright lie. But to be remembered is that these same people are called to the witness stand to testify in the case of murders, robberies, accidents, etc. and the law trusts them to be telling the truth as they saw/know it. When innumerable ordinary people claim they saw or heard a deceased loved-one (or unknown ghost) surely they're not all telling fibs? Experience of ghosts by whatever name has been happening since time began. Most of us have lost someone close to us be they family, friend, associate, yet how many of us claim the deceased have attempted to communicate with us? And what happens if they do? So, most don't mention it to others or tell only very trusted others .... or, they reveal it anonymously online and as a rule are dismissed and mocked. No one mocks the Pope, but they'll mock Marge from down the road, so successful has been the church's damning of anything which interferes with their (until recently) monopoly on the Afterlife Industry and (my earlier post) the shock-waves created by the eventual publishing of the findings of the committee headed by Archbishop Cosmo Lang into afterlife communication with the living after the world wars

all that said, I'm cautious, particularly with regard to EVP and ITP. And I'm mindful of the warnings issued about possible 'trickster' involvement in all things ghostly

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:15 am
by M-glass
I'm going to have a try at posting the link to the book I mentioned in the above post

Don't know if it will be successful

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=jx ... ce&f=false

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:05 am
by M-glass
Ok. Good. This site seems to turn a massively unwieldy url into shape (above) so that's good to know :)

I've seen/experienced three ghosts that I'm sure of

First when I was very young and had never heard of ghosts. I thought he was a 'normal person'. Later events revealed what had transpired

Second was what's apparently termed a residual haunting. I was a young adult. The ghost never altered, always the same, same place, etc. The strange part was that while it was happening (several times a week for a few years) I must have gone into a very brief trance each time. Only when I no longer attended that premises did I realise what I'd been experiencing /seeing

Third ghost was same as the others, namely, full colour, alive looking and could have passed for anyone on the street. But this time, instead of the brief trance, I went into an altered state which lasted for several hours. In short, the ghost appeared inside our locked house. He didn't attempt to communicate. I simply saw him. Next morning I awoke and went about my usual business and remembered nothing of the ghost. Mid day, I suddenly remembered. And realised that after seeing the ghost, I must have spent some time attending to various tasks before preparing for bed and then going to bed -- all while still in what I'm calling a trance-state for want of a better term. In other words, after seeing the ghost, I had moved around the house attending to various things that had to be done and then gone to bed, but to this day .. almost 40 years later .. I have no memory of completing those tasks or preparing for and going to bed. The tasks were waiting to be completed prior to my seeing the ghost and when I awakened next day everything was in order so obviously, after seeing the ghost or after it left, I'd attended to the tasks like a robot. I was normal conscious-wise when I awakened next morning and remembered nothing of the ghost. It sounds dramatic, but basically, the ghost had in some way stalled my consciousness or robbed me (intentionally or not) of my usual consciousness for several hours. That was sobering to realise. Alarming too, because my children were asleep in the house throughout and reliant upon me, yet I'd functioned as a robot

By odd coincidence, the day after I saw the ghost, I learned his identity. I was shown a photo and recognised him. He had died suddenly approx. six months earlier, apparently, in another State. He was a total stranger to me although there was what could be called a valid reason for his appearance

The second and third ghosts had no visible legs below the knee. It didn't affect their height

None of the ghosts frightened me at the time

Growing up, I had no interest in ghosts and I don't remember people talking much about them at all. There was Casper the Ghost cartoon of course. Halloween wasn't a thing . No internet. And tv and films were not the gratuitous horror and paranormal of today. Personal out-of-the-ordinary experience/s lead to an interest in most cases, no doubt, although with the advent of internet I see teens and younger online with what to me seems an unhealthy preoccupation with the paranormal. I can understand why well-meaning people try to warn others about demonic tricksters

From our human perspective, there's no way to know if we're experiencing genuine phenomena or being taken for a ride. It could well be that deceased Uncle Bill popped in for a few minutes to say hi, or it might be that negative entities are able to look and sound identical to Uncle Bill in order to lead us into the morass that can be the paranormal. Confusion is all around us and now there's a programme/app that can produce fake footage of anyone based on a photo -- from a photo of Queen they could produce convincing footage of her walking naked through a cathedral. It's said that those whom the gods would destroy, they first send mad. And that day grows closer

According to John Keel, one of the big US universities conducted research which showed that one third of the population experiences/is able to experience the paranormal as opposed to two thirds who do not. I've experienced many paranormal phenomena, spontaneously, unsolicited and can say that I could have gone through life very happily without it. What the experiences leave in their wake is a questioning and a sense of anxiety. The most perplexing of all, to me, is precognition. Once experienced, nothing is the same

There are numerous YouTube videos about Out of Place Artifacts (Ooparts) and megalithic constructions by people who seem, from the evidence, to have been vastly superior to the humans of today. And it's claimed that we are not creatures who originally emerged from primeval swamps to primates to humans , but instead are the descendants of those mighty ancestors of old. All of which garners applause. But .. we carry atrophied remnants of the swamp creatures and primates, such as eustachian tubes which once were gills and tail-bones from when we hung from trees in addition to the various non-human phases we reportedly pass through in the womb before we consolidate as human. So perhaps the world floods told about in almost every ancient culture and which were said to eliminate 99% of the world's population resulted in tampering/modification to produce our ancestors and ourselves. And perhaps as part of those genetic manipulations by whomever, we were deliberately rendered almost blind and able to perceive only 1% of all that is, so that when the deceased and other disputed entities make their presence known to some of us, we shrink in fear

Who knows .. maybe it's perfectly normal for the dead to appear before the living and perhaps if we had the ability to see even 50% of all that exists then ghosts, space aliens, Yowies etc. would be ordinary and death would lose its sting. But because we're close to blind and because two thirds don't see what the one-third sometimes sees, the 'paranormal' is considered to be poor-taste and worse and we feel self-conscious and oddly guilty, even afraid, when discussing it

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:57 am
by Dion
Hey M-glass

Well thought out and written posts thank you for your insight, I dont have much to add other than I agree with a lot of it.

I have not clicked on your links provided yet, but as your posts are well articulated I do get the gist as to what you are trying to convey.

Personally I have never had a ghost sighting as such, but have had numerous dealings with spirit activity shall we say. No Ouija Board stuff, never touched the thing and never will. You are probably well aware of the consequences with dealing with such things.

Its not something I delve to much into these days, if at all, as its my belief (looking back on my youth :roll: ) that the spirit activity may have been just trickster activity. This has certainly changed my belief system.

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:44 am
by Yowie bait
M-glass wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:05 am
Ok. Good. This site seems to turn a massively unwieldy url into shape (above) so that's good to know :)

I've seen/experienced three ghosts that I'm sure of

First when I was very young and had never heard of ghosts. I thought he was a 'normal person'. Later events revealed what had transpired

Second was what's apparently termed a residual haunting. I was a young adult. The ghost never altered, always the same, same place, etc. The strange part was that while it was happening (several times a week for a few years) I must have gone into a very brief trance each time. Only when I no longer attended that premises did I realise what I'd been experiencing /seeing

Third ghost was same as the others, namely, full colour, alive looking and could have passed for anyone on the street. But this time, instead of the brief trance, I went into an altered state which lasted for several hours. In short, the ghost appeared inside our locked house. He didn't attempt to communicate. I simply saw him. Next morning I awoke and went about my usual business and remembered nothing of the ghost. Mid day, I suddenly remembered. And realised that after seeing the ghost, I must have spent some time attending to various tasks before preparing for bed and then going to bed -- all while still in what I'm calling a trance-state for want of a better term. In other words, after seeing the ghost, I had moved around the house attending to various things that had to be done and then gone to bed, but to this day .. almost 40 years later .. I have no memory of completing those tasks or preparing for and going to bed. The tasks were waiting to be completed prior to my seeing the ghost and when I awakened next day everything was in order so obviously, after seeing the ghost or after it left, I'd attended to the tasks like a robot. I was normal conscious-wise when I awakened next morning and remembered nothing of the ghost. It sounds dramatic, but basically, the ghost had in some way stalled my consciousness or robbed me (intentionally or not) of my usual consciousness for several hours. That was sobering to realise. Alarming too, because my children were asleep in the house throughout and reliant upon me, yet I'd functioned as a robot

By odd coincidence, the day after I saw the ghost, I learned his identity. I was shown a photo and recognised him. He had died suddenly approx. six months earlier, apparently, in another State. He was a total stranger to me although there was what could be called a valid reason for his appearance

The second and third ghosts had no visible legs below the knee. It didn't affect their height

None of the ghosts frightened me at the time

Growing up, I had no interest in ghosts and I don't remember people talking much about them at all. There was Casper the Ghost cartoon of course. Halloween wasn't a thing . No internet. And tv and films were not the gratuitous horror and paranormal of today. Personal out-of-the-ordinary experience/s lead to an interest in most cases, no doubt, although with the advent of internet I see teens and younger online with what to me seems an unhealthy preoccupation with the paranormal. I can understand why well-meaning people try to warn others about demonic tricksters

From our human perspective, there's no way to know if we're experiencing genuine phenomena or being taken for a ride. It could well be that deceased Uncle Bill popped in for a few minutes to say hi, or it might be that negative entities are able to look and sound identical to Uncle Bill in order to lead us into the morass that can be the paranormal. Confusion is all around us and now there's a programme/app that can produce fake footage of anyone based on a photo -- from a photo of Queen they could produce convincing footage of her walking naked through a cathedral. It's said that those whom the gods would destroy, they first send mad. And that day grows closer

According to John Keel, one of the big US universities conducted research which showed that one third of the population experiences/is able to experience the paranormal as opposed to two thirds who do not. I've experienced many paranormal phenomena, spontaneously, unsolicited and can say that I could have gone through life very happily without it. What the experiences leave in their wake is a questioning and a sense of anxiety. The most perplexing of all, to me, is precognition. Once experienced, nothing is the same

There are numerous YouTube videos about Out of Place Artifacts (Ooparts) and megalithic constructions by people who seem, from the evidence, to have been vastly superior to the humans of today. And it's claimed that we are not creatures who originally emerged from primeval swamps to primates to humans , but instead are the descendants of those mighty ancestors of old. All of which garners applause. But .. we carry atrophied remnants of the swamp creatures and primates, such as eustachian tubes which once were gills and tail-bones from when we hung from trees in addition to the various non-human phases we reportedly pass through in the womb before we consolidate as human. So perhaps the world floods told about in almost every ancient culture and which were said to eliminate 99% of the world's population resulted in tampering/modification to produce our ancestors and ourselves. And perhaps as part of those genetic manipulations by whomever, we were deliberately rendered almost blind and able to perceive only 1% of all that is, so that when the deceased and other disputed entities make their presence known to some of us, we shrink in fear

Who knows .. maybe it's perfectly normal for the dead to appear before the living and perhaps if we had the ability to see even 50% of all that exists then ghosts, space aliens, Yowies etc. would be ordinary and death would lose its sting. But because we're close to blind and because two thirds don't see what the one-third sometimes sees, the 'paranormal' is considered to be poor-taste and worse and we feel self-conscious and oddly guilty, even afraid, when discussing it
Got that right. I feel stifled talking about this stuff with a fake name on a crypto forum! I have twice seen what i would call ghosts in human forum.

One was the face of a little kid looking through a window at the place i grew up. Others have seen a little girl there sitting on the couch while watching tv! Same room is where i saw ghost cat or ferret thing mentioned in this thread.

Other was a mate who had recently passed away. I was awake in bed and he simply opened the door and walked in towards me. I tried to wake my then partner and then ghost mate shook his head and walked out and closed the door behind him as if to say " you d-head i was going to tell you something". It was full colour and he was wearing this stupid outfit he wore in a home made movie we once made where he was playing a Michael Myers type character escaped lunatic. Also said hed come back if he could. Very weird !

We still have paranormal activity in our place. I dont care what anyone says as its been proven to me over and over again that there is another unseen world and things that arent supposed to be. Science and most academics dont understand as they have been well taught otherwise. Not their fault imo.

Ive also spoken to alleged astral travelers who claim to have visited live freinds who have contacted them to say theyd seen them. Now thats really weird! (eek)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:13 pm
by sensesonfire
For goodness sake people I know that I can be a little overbearing but what we are talking about here is evil malevolent spirits/apparitions. no such thing as returned revenants from the dead. Sure you may see ghostly figures resembling people who may have passed but they are no more than apparitions.
These demons do not have to appear as terrifying, on the contrary, they can appear as caring and communicable but that's exactly what they are demonic.

I lived in Fremantle a few years ago just up the road from the Fremantle Art Museum supposedly one of the most haunted places in Australia certainly Western Australia. In past times it was referred to as the old lunatic asylum.
My next-door neighbour asked me if I had encountered my unwanted visitor as yet and when ''I asked and who may that be'' he told me a ghost inhabited my unit. The two previous occupants unknown to each other had both related to him of seeing an apparition of a man floating across the room and looking out the lounge room window. Was it a coincidence that I lived in close proximity to supernatural activity and they had decided to extend their sphere of influence? I replied that I hadn't and not likely to I know exactly what these so-called ghosts are and how to get rid of them.
Wake up, peoples. (devilish)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:32 pm
by sensesonfire
A friend of mine a single mother with three kids (grown up now) lived for years in this house with ongoing 'ghost' activity. Mum and the three kids all experienced harassment except for the daughter in all two ghosts were reported male and female.
I'm amazed that they managed to live in this house for as long as they did I think it was due to the fact that they were somewhat indifferent to all this activity going on. Although it left them perplexed the ghosts were more of an annoyance than anything else.
Some of these going on included grabbing the boys toes while they were asleep; the feeling of a heavyweight on top of them in bed and unable to move; something leaning over them and heavy breathing into their faces once again while in bed.
The entity was concentrating on one lad in particular but wasn't getting the response expected so it turned its attention to the other and that was a different scenario altogether. This boy was woken by the heavy breathing into his face but this time with sound effects as he jumped out of bed to head to the door he was grabbed by the shoulders preventing him from doing so.
These two brothers were in the naval cadets and occasionally spent weekends away with the navy. On this one Sunday morning, the mother was awoken by what she thought was her son passing her bedroom door although they were away for the weekend. She said is that you Michael but no answer the apparition momentarily stood there and then floated on by. She reported a dark figure of a man with an overcoat on collar turned up and wearing a hat. Footsteps were regularly heard coming down the hallway at night.

Eventually, these hauntings were taking its toll and it is then I asked her about the history of the house she didn't really no much so she began asking some of the neighbours and they informed her that the previous occupants had staged seances and numerous ouija board get-togethers. I told her there was the answer to these hauntings.

As I've said they were shaken but never terrified of these ghostly encounters. Having had enough of them one day she yelled out ''I pay the bloody rent here not you lot of freeloaders so you can all bugger off''. Amazingly after that, the activity began to subside until they eventually moved out. I told her they were not ghosts but demonic apparitions. (woot)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:46 am
by Yowie bait
sensesonfire wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:32 pm
A friend of mine a single mother with three kids (grown up now) lived for years in this house with ongoing 'ghost' activity. Mum and the three kids all experienced harassment except for the daughter in all two ghosts were reported male and female.
I'm amazed that they managed to live in this house for as long as they did I think it was due to the fact that they were somewhat indifferent to all this activity going on. Although it left them perplexed the ghosts were more of an annoyance than anything else.
Some of these going on included grabbing the boys toes while they were asleep; the feeling of a heavyweight on top of them in bed and unable to move; something leaning over them and heavy breathing into their faces once again while in bed.
The entity was concentrating on one lad in particular but wasn't getting the response expected so it turned its attention to the other and that was a different scenario altogether. This boy was woken by the heavy breathing into his face but this time with sound effects as he jumped out of bed to head to the door he was grabbed by the shoulders preventing him from doing so.
These two brothers were in the naval cadets and occasionally spent weekends away with the navy. On this one Sunday morning, the mother was awoken by what she thought was her son passing her bedroom door although they were away for the weekend. She said is that you Michael but no answer the apparition momentarily stood there and then floated on by. She reported a dark figure of a man with an overcoat on collar turned up and wearing a hat. Footsteps were regularly heard coming down the hallway at night.

Eventually, these hauntings were taking its toll and it is then I asked her about the history of the house she didn't really no much so she began asking some of the neighbours and they informed her that the previous occupants had staged seances and numerous ouija board get-togethers. I told her there was the answer to these hauntings.

As I've said they were shaken but never terrified of these ghostly encounters. Having had enough of them one day she yelled out ''I pay the bloody rent here not you lot of freeloaders so you can all bugger off''. Amazingly after that, the activity began to subside until they eventually moved out. I told her they were not ghosts but demonic apparitions. (woot)
Ive heard similar stories and had the things sitting on my chest, demons beside bed and in room, shadow people, name called out or loud crashes while trying to sleep among other things all of which are symptons of sleep paralysis and other sleeping disorders.

Science is lookin closer at our "junk dna" now after finding a way to detect a serious illness ( i cant remember which) and will maybe find more about us in there.

Still doesnt account for a lot of the weirder stuff people experience but personally id rather find out i have a sleeping disorder than have demons beside the bed giving me instructions or sitting on my chest! (scared)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:10 pm
by Yowie bait
Yowie bait wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:46 am
sensesonfire wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:32 pm
A friend of mine a single mother with three kids (grown up now) lived for years in this house with ongoing 'ghost' activity. Mum and the three kids all experienced harassment except for the daughter in all two ghosts were reported male and female.
I'm amazed that they managed to live in this house for as long as they did I think it was due to the fact that they were somewhat indifferent to all this activity going on. Although it left them perplexed the ghosts were more of an annoyance than anything else.
Some of these going on included grabbing the boys toes while they were asleep; the feeling of a heavyweight on top of them in bed and unable to move; something leaning over them and heavy breathing into their faces once again while in bed.
The entity was concentrating on one lad in particular but wasn't getting the response expected so it turned its attention to the other and that was a different scenario altogether. This boy was woken by the heavy breathing into his face but this time with sound effects as he jumped out of bed to head to the door he was grabbed by the shoulders preventing him from doing so.
These two brothers were in the naval cadets and occasionally spent weekends away with the navy. On this one Sunday morning, the mother was awoken by what she thought was her son passing her bedroom door although they were away for the weekend. She said is that you Michael but no answer the apparition momentarily stood there and then floated on by. She reported a dark figure of a man with an overcoat on collar turned up and wearing a hat. Footsteps were regularly heard coming down the hallway at night.

Eventually, these hauntings were taking its toll and it is then I asked her about the history of the house she didn't really no much so she began asking some of the neighbours and they informed her that the previous occupants had staged seances and numerous ouija board get-togethers. I told her there was the answer to these hauntings.

As I've said they were shaken but never terrified of these ghostly encounters. Having had enough of them one day she yelled out ''I pay the bloody rent here not you lot of freeloaders so you can all bugger off''. Amazingly after that, the activity began to subside until they eventually moved out. I told her they were not ghosts but demonic apparitions. (woot)
Ive heard similar stories and had the things sitting on my chest, demons beside bed and in room, shadow people, name called out or loud crashes while trying to sleep among other things all of which are symptons of sleep paralysis and other sleeping disorders.

Science is lookin closer at our "junk dna" now after finding a way to detect a serious illness ( i cant remember which) and will maybe find more about us in there.

Still doesnt account for a lot of the weirder stuff people experience but personally id rather find out i have a sleeping disorder than have demons beside the bed giving me instructions or sitting on my chest! (scared)
Oh forgot to mention phantom smells. Best get any phantom smells checked out by doctor before assuming its spirits or demonic activity as they could mean any number of dangerous physical conditions. (no no)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:19 pm
by sensesonfire
Hi, Yowie bait, You would be amazed as to what goes on in some peoples houses after you are asleep all types of psychic phenomena. I have experienced it myself some years ago I was woken up by what felt like an invisible presence in the room it was too lewd to explain. Even now I hear an insidious soft laugh at different hours of the night and morning but I ignore it. I know where this activity is coming from and the means to get rid of it. So next time you hear an unexplained noise somewhere in the house it may not be as innocent as you think. (woot)

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:32 pm
by M-glass
Yowie Bait wrote:

Got that right. I feel stifled talking about this stuff with a fake name on a crypto forum! I have twice seen what i would call ghosts in human forum.

One was the face of a little kid looking through a window at the place i grew up. Others have seen a little girl there sitting on the couch while watching tv! Same room is where i saw ghost cat or ferret thing mentioned in this thread.

Other was a mate who had recently passed away. I was awake in bed and he simply opened the door and walked in towards me. I tried to wake my then partner and then ghost mate shook his head and walked out and closed the door behind him as if to say " you d-head i was going to tell you something". It was full colour and he was wearing this stupid outfit he wore in a home made movie we once made where he was playing a Michael Myers type character escaped lunatic. Also said hed come back if he could. Very weird !

We still have paranormal activity in our place. I dont care what anyone says as its been proven to me over and over again that there is another unseen world and things that arent supposed to be. Science and most academics dont understand as they have been well taught otherwise. Not their fault imo.


Ive also spoken to alleged astral travelers who claim to have visited live freinds who have contacted them to say theyd seen them. Now thats really weird!

Interesting post, Yowiebait from an obviously enquiring mind

Things are moving along by the sound of it. Consciousness Studies are becoming far more respectable within science. Last time there was this big a flap about this sort of thing was in the late 1800s when eminent scientists and other notables formed the Society for Psychical Research in London. It's said the Society was usurped in later years and today isn't considered by many as trustworthy. But back in the day they were regarded as reputable and said to be stringent in their criteria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_f ... l_Research

Recently, I learned that in the recent past, those who claimed to experience paranormal phenomena were categorised by the 'experts' (psychiatrists/psychologists) as being schizophrenic --- and were despatched to lunatic asylums ! So now we know why even today we're reluctant to reveal psychic and supernatural experiences. First the Church condemned those of a psychic bent, followed along by the 'mind specialists' (psychiatrists/psychologists). Determined to shut it down. Dump them in the 'mad house' to shut them up. Prior, those with psychic abilities were damned by the Church as heretics and 'possessed by the debil '.

Yet ---- all the shadowy groups who control our world via media, religion, government, etc. are deeply involved with and in the paranormal ! So case of 'Do as I say, not as I do'

The religious group considered by many to be the controlling factor on our planet is saturated by and in the occult -- magic numbers, rituals, etc. and has always been so. Jeffery Epstein died when ----- well, it's said he died when he was 66 years, 6 months, 6 days and 6 hours old. Fancy that, eh?

whereas the common herd experiences what is claimed to be 'the paranormal' quite spontaneously, most often. It just happens, unsolicited, while they're pushing through life. But they -- the common herd with nothing to gain … are the crazy ones ?

Religion and government will tell you what to believe. Revelation of John --- they'll tell you it's fit to be in the world's most famous book, even though it sounds and reads like something from a crack user. The prophecies in the Bible --- same. They'll tell you those are all rigdgey-didge -- man is swallowed by a whale and lives -- swirling discs from the skies bearing messages -- all perfectly normal. But have an unsought, unsolicited, univited paranormal experience and (if you're a just one of the human cattle) you're crazy, not to be trusted, etc. And to keep the genuine reports from gaining interest and to discourage others from coming forth, slap them in goal or … going back a couple of hundred years … hang them. Don't want these human cattle to suspect there's a bit more to human existence than birth, trouble and toil and death

Anyway, human consciousness studies are gaining traction and even attracting study-grants these days. Whereas previously self-important 'mind sciences' are being unmasked for the BS they are:

Study Finds Psychiatric Diagnosis to be ‘Scientifically Meaningless’ : https://www.naturalblaze.com/2019/07/st ... gless.html

A new study, published in Psychiatry Research, has concluded that psychiatric diagnoses are scientifically worthless as tools to identify discrete mental health disorders: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 131152.htm

During the past couple of weeks I've watched some YouTube videos featuring Peter Fenwick, who's both a neuropsychiatrist and neurophysiologist now close to the Pearly Gates. He's conducted numerous studies into Near Death Experiences during his career, despite, by his own admittance, being a confirmed disbeliever prior. What he has to say is at least interesting and he's easy to listen to in this video:

Fenwick asserts that those in the NDE research made several claims in common; namely that at the moment of death they felt no pain -- they were 'lifted' from their physical bodies and able to observe from a place outside their physical bodies -- they were greeted by those important to them who had previously died (and, quite often, a religious personage) -- they enjoyed their time in the place beyond our reality and were often very reluctant to return to 'eartth', etc. The Near Death Experience is not restricted to the West or those of Abrahamic religions and those of other cultures, creeds etc., also recount their versions of the Near Death Experience

None of what Fenwick has to say is new, of course. NDE's have been reported/recounted all through time. And the common threads have remained largely consistent. In fact, it's most likely (imo) that these accounts underpin religion itself, also burial rites, etc.

Scott Rogo wrote about NDE's decades ago and far as I can remember, he was the first to tell the story about the woman in hospital leaving her physical body and sighting a sandshoe on a ledge on a higher floor. Upon investigation, the shoe was discovered where she'd seen it during her Out of Body experience, despite the fact it was impossible for her to have seen the shoe from where she lay in bed

We are not merely our physical body. We are able to travel, bodiless, through Time and Space. And we are able to retain the memory of what we experienced during our travels. Those who've been regarded as clinically dead claim they saw and communicated with deceased friends and family members etc. during that time. For me, one of the more convincing elements is the fact that during their Near Death Experiences, people saw and communicated with those who'd only recently died. They were unaware they'd died. Yet they saw and spoke with them during the NDE. Only when they 'returned' to life did the NDE-ers learn that the person in question had died. For example, a woman was severely ill. At the same time, her aunt died. The severely ill woman was not told of her aunt's death for fear it would adversely affect her own tenuous hold on life. The severely ill woman 'died' and had a Near Death Experience. When she was resuscitated she told doctors and her family that she'd gone down a tunnel towards a wonderful light and had been greeted by deceased family members -- amongst them being the aunt in question. She was puzzled, because the family members by whom she'd been greeted had long since died, as she knew. But why, she asked, had her aunt (whom she believed to be alive and well) been amongst them? Only when she was judged well enough to cope with the news was she informed that during her serious illness, the aunt in question had died

People lacking brain matter function normally. It's not something with which science is comfortable. But it's been known for some time as result of technology. For example, students at a UK university were volunteers in a brain-scanning study when the machines were first developed. At least one student, male, was discovered to possess no discernible brain. Thinking it must be a malfunction of the technology, he was re-scanned. The result was the same. Yet the young man in question was studying advanced mathematics and performing well. The news of his brain scan flew around scientific circles and a US university conducted a similar study during which they discovered a female university student also appeared to possess little if any brain. Meanwhile, the UK male study was re-scanned a few years later and it was discovered that his brain had reappeared. Later still, scans showed it to be absent once more. Throughout, the student continued to function normally and to be an average to higher achieving student in a demanding discipline. Afterwards, the everyday news seemed to cease reporting of such cases, although I've managed to find a few and in a book stored somewhere I have the original report. The below link itself contains a few more links

https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=6116

To refer back to Keel and Vallee, it's believed that one third of the human population is … for want of a better word … psychic. It is they who see ghosts and experience other, various, paranormal phenomena. Two thirds of the human population lives without such experiences and thus disbelieves or is at least sceptical. Quantum physics is making believers of scientists and thus the new 'science' of consciousness studies. Laboratory studies and other research is confirming what the average (psychic) human has been claiming for thousands of years

As to whether or not all or any psychic phenomena is evidence of 'evil spirits' is open to question. Certainly, I've had experiences which were not 'good' as have most who're 'psychic'. In the same way, every day I encounter living humans whom I don't particularly like and some could be suspected of being of evil/negative intent

In our culture (and others) certain individuals (killers, politicians, clergy, neighbours, in-laws, etc.) are consigned to Hell via figure of speech. As a by product of our religions, we keep things nice and simple -- black and white -- good go to Heaven and the bad go to Hell. It's not that simple however, as most of us privately acknowledge. The killer and the paedophile, for example, are as much a product of their genetic inheritance as are those regarded as 'saints'. So should they be consigned to the popular version of Hell? Is it their fault they are as they are?

if, however, we prefer the good-bad, Heaven-Hell model of the afterlife -- and if it's even close to the truth -- shouldn't we expect that those who're 'bad' when alive will also be bad in the afterlife ? And wouldn't this be an explanation for the 'evil spirits' some encounter?

What do we do when we encounter an 'evil' human who's alive? Don't we avoid them, ignore them, ostracise them and distrust them? Yes, that's what we do. And we do so because we're gifted with discernment … the ability (usually fairly accurate in most) to discern between good and bad living humans. Maybe instead of writing off all psychic phenomena, we should develop the same sense of discernment with regard to discarnate spirits also. If it feels bad, then steer clear. Conversely, if it feels benign or benevolent, then maybe it's safe. Our good neighbours and other decent members of our societies do not break into our homes or beat and kill us. Those who do are caught, most of them, and put in goal. Similarly then, maybe decent spirits do not invade the homes of the living to frighten them. And for all we know, maybe there are spirit-police who track down bad spirits and lock them away

Re: Ghosts - what are they really?

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:36 pm
by sensesonfire
ARE GHOSTS REAL?
Ghosts are real, but they are not angels from God or our dead loved ones. They are fallen angels trying to deceive us. It’s in the Bible, Ephesians 6:11-12, KJV. "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

So the next time you are deceived into thinking you have had a wonderful spiritual encounter with a family member, friend or whoever that have passed realise you are encountering a full-on demonic attack. No such thing as a good spirit or evil spirit as the case may be the same applies to psychics, channelers, astrologists, good witches( white), bad witches(black) all indulge in evil trickery. (pure_evil)