Westall UFO Incident 1966 50th Anniversary

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Re: Westall UFO Incident 1966 50th Anniversary

Unread post by Simon M » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:39 pm

Thanks for the link, Searcher.

I continue to be interested in this weird mystery. As ever, I believe that the objects seen were prototypical experimental aircraft of some kind (my standard explanation for every UFO sighting), and the fact that it all happened so close to an airfield has always seemed more than a coincidence as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Westall UFO Incident 1966 50th Anniversary

Unread post by Searcher » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:09 am

Hi Simon,

Glad you enjoyed the read.

It's still a very thought provoking case with up to 400 eye witnesses giving a clear description of a disc shaped object.

When you say "the fact that it all happened so close to an airfield has always seemed more than a coincidence as far as I'm concerned."
.... are you suggesting it's possible this object originated from nearby Moorabbin airport?

With respect, there's zero chance of that! I used to live close by and have been there 100's of times. (used to fly out of there a lot and also flew model aircraft in the precinct) It is the second busiest airport in Australia behind Sydney. There are people everywhere. It is not a place for highly classified experimental aeroplanes. Save that for remote desert facilities like Area 51 in the U.S. ...or somewhere near our top secret Pine Gap shared military facility in the N.T.

Just my two bobs worth! :)

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Re: Westall UFO Incident 1966 50th Anniversary

Unread post by Simon M » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:38 pm

I only meant that, if something had gone seriously pear-shaped (which would clearly seem to be the case in this instance) the pilots of these craft might've been inclined to land near an appropriately equipped facility (an airport) in order to ensure their own safety,or the public's, or both.

I assume if someone's flying one of these things (even remotely, because who knows what stuff the military secretly had even that far back? These might have been early prototypes of modern drones for all we know), and something goes wrong, they're going to land them somewhere with open space; and if they spotted an airport near where they could set down, so much the better from their perspective.

I always work on the theory that any and all UFO sightings by the public are examples of major, major stuff-ups by the military. In this case, it must have been a balls-up of absolutely monumental proportions, and clearly involved a massive cover-up which wasn't anywhere near 100% effective since we're still discussing it more than fifty years later.

I don't mean to suggest that Moorabbin was a hotbed of military secrecy, only that the fact these discs/craft/whatever landed where they did seems like more than just random chance (in my opinion).

There's not much we can say for certain, only that something occurred that day which the authorities were desperate to hide - my own opinion is that some kind of prototypical technology was being tested and somebody effed up in a big way, creating a massive headache for whoever was in charge.

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Re: Westall UFO Incident 1966 50th Anniversary

Unread post by Searcher » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:03 pm

Simon M wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:38 pm
I always work on the theory that any and all UFO sightings by the public are examples of major, major stuff-ups by the military. In this case, it must have been a balls-up of absolutely monumental proportions, and clearly involved a massive cover-up which wasn't anywhere near 100% effective since we're still discussing it more than fifty years later.
Hi Simon, That is a very strong statement! I would really like to know why you say the ET hypothesis is not an option for you in this case and also many thousands of others.

My long and extensive research strongly indicates we are dealing with visitors from the stars.

If I’m missing something, I’d certainly like to know what it is!

Rather than hijack this excellent Westall thread by going off on a tangent, I have created a new topic in this section called “Where are UFO’s from”. Others may like to comment.

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Re: Westall UFO Incident 1966 50th Anniversary

Unread post by Shazzoir » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:10 pm

Just as an aside to the Westall incident, and the supposition of aircraft of an unusual type and ability existing as part of military programs, I must make mention of a few odd aircraft and their dates of manufacture/operation...

The Flying Flapjack - 1945, USA

The Sack AS-6 - 1939, Germany

Neither of these craft would not have (I suspect) the ability to do what the witnesses saw, but who knows if experiments continued into the 60's to perfect designs and efficiency? Yes, this is Australia, and I could be talking nonsense, but there's one more aircraft that would instantly make someone seeing it suspect it was a UFO, so unlike any other military aircraft it resembles.

I present for your edification, the Avrocar, or Project 1794, if you prefer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... -15075926/

This particular experimental US Aircraft, the Avro Canada VZ-9 Avrocar, looks exactly like a traditional 'flying saucer', and was designed in the mid 1950's.
It was capable of vertical take-off and landing (VTOL), but was too unstable in the air to be of any reliable use, so was canned in the early '60's.
Now, I wonder where they got the idea for that craft from, hmm?

It is unlikely, to me, given the status of this aircraft as a great white hope for the military, by no other group than the US Military, who had time and money to throw at such an ambitious project, that Australian Military agencies with much less clout, knowledge and cash, could do better. Anything man made during this time would (I imagine), be clumsy and not likely to be travelling in groups for fear of collision. It would also not likely be put into the air anywhere near a city such as Moorabbin, if it was a 'secret' design.

Which leaves some interesting assumptions or options to consider...

[*]The craft were not of this earth, and piloted by beings NOT US

[*]The craft were not of this earth, but were piloted by humans, after being 'found' here on earth/shot down and repaired, whatever floats your boat.

[*]The craft were not of this earth, but were piloted by humans, after having been taught how to do so, by the original pilots, in some sort of mutually beneficial arrangement in exchange for something else (not being fired upon by the military when doing their UFO thing here on earth perhaps?)

[*]The craft were not of this earth, but were piloted by humans, after having been taught how to do so, by the original pilots, perhaps against their will

Tin foil hats on everyone! Have a nibble of this magic mushroom! Or just let your mind be boggled by the possibilities... many of which I have not considered or mentioned here. I knew my thing for old aircraft would come in handy one day...

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Re: Westall UFO Incident 1966 50th Anniversary

Unread post by Simon M » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:03 am

I'm not suggesting Australia had better technology than anyone else, but it's possible the US were testing stuff here or that it was tech that had been designed in collaboration, etc. Given the existence of Pine Gap, and the close relationship between NASA and Australia, it doesn't seem unbelievable (to me) that other stuff might've been shared or jointly designed. We've been 'in bed' with America for a long, long time.

I'm aware of the Avro Car as well, and the reasons why it was 'shelved' have always intrigued me. Was it really 'unstable'? Or was it just way too useful to the military in ways that didn't include making it commercially available? Was it in their interests not to have too many of these things around? Of course, I'm guessing. I don't know.

I'll continue in the other thread about the other topic.

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