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UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:19 am
by Searcher
It could be called a conundrum. ET craft that seem capable of travelling within our solar system, possibly across the Milky Way galaxy and maybe even travelling beyond through inter-galactic space in the universe… yet there are dozens of reported crashes worldwide.

How is it possible the space visitors can traverse the stars but not be able to fly without periodically crashing while in Earth’s atmosphere?

In theory, these supposedly super advanced civilizations should have elevated themselves above such things as simple equipment failure. The UFO enigma is full of confusion for us mere humans. There is much we simply don't understand. I cry out for full disclosure of what is actually known by governments about UFOs and their occupants. There is no doubt they know a lot!

I firmly believe the 1947 Roswell crash actually happened. There are over 200 witnesses who were directly involved in some way and have maintained confirmation of this for their entire lives. I never get tired of reading or watching documentaries about Roswell. :)

Perhaps some of these alien craft could have been shot down? Damaged in some way by earthly fire as our aircraft engaged them. That’s foolish at best and I think the least likely. I point to the well documented Iran case, where a jet fighter had it's weapons system shut down by a UFO. New laser beam technology could have the power to destroy UFOs in flight, but to my mind it would be totally naive to engage in a weapons fight with highly advanced beings.

Perhaps it is more plausible they are shooting each other down. This amazing 16th Century report suggests warring ET factions do fight each other in our skies.

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:44 am
by bassplyr
There may be that some of the reported ufos are alien and not human in origen. The Nuremberg incident gives one something to think about.

But its possible most ufos seen in the modern era are not traversing the galaxy and are homebrewed. And, that they are the ones that have crashed.

Perhaps the early models of "ufo" had particularly unstable drive fields while going through technological teething pains. But, that due to an evolution of technology are much more stable these days. There arent very many contemporary ufo crashes lately, nor instances of electrical disruption in the vicinity reported as often anymore. Perhaps thats tied in with proposed changes. Maybe the older models fell to the ground because getting blasted by powerful radar in the right frequency range disrupted their drive fields stability.

With the tehran incident. Sounds like someone launched a particular type of electronic counter measure at the jets.

A real puzzle worth figuring out is why electronics failed and then began working again. An emp would just fry electronics. They wouldn't restart afterwards. Plasma would be very hot and would also not do that to the aircraft. Maybe EM permittivity and permiability are altered due to the drive field and once out side the influence of the field return to normal allowing electronics to function again. Humans also need a lot of electric potential to send signals along synapses maybe the proposed altered permittivity and permiability in proximity of said drive field make brains go wonky too if not shielded by something like big bulbous helmets causing alice in wonderland type effects in their perceptions.

Its definitely a fascinating subject

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:23 pm
by Yowie bait
Nice video Searcher. Always thought that sky battle over Germany was a legit ufo encounter. What a sight to wake up to!

As for all these so called man made ufos. I did believe that for quite awhile but i just don't see how we are making the saucers and other non plane looking ufos.

If we did they would have been weaponised by now and used in warfare. Also why is Branson and co using plane type/conventional looking craft for their orbit trips as the craft of choice and not saucers??

I just dont believe we have the technology perfected. Not yet anyway!

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:16 am
by bassplyr
Regarding why elon musk and richard branson types arent cruising around in ufos. Maybe they operate on a principle that was stumbled across on accident by another industry related to aerospace that has primarily military contracts. It could be it was a novel application of two seemingly disparate technologies and that you wouldn't independently stumble across it on your own unless you were in a specific business and industry that branson types arent in.

Regarding why not militarise it? Its possible that the primary mechanism behind the drive field makes it so its not so easy to simply weaponise. Maybe bullets and missiles wont fare so well traveling through said field and beam weapons might adversely effect said field disrupting how the ufo operates leading to crashes or other mishaps. If so, and if academics from major universities or industry associated with such technology were in on it, they might agree with keeping secrecy for safety sake.

Why not go public with the devices. What the drive field does might be disruptive economically. It might also be very dangerous if something were to go wrong and lead to a catastrophe. A guy meaning well playing mister wizard in his garage could accidentally take out the neighbourhood if it was so that the technology is dangerous in the wrong hands. Also, consider all the instances of electrical malfunction and other assorted zany-ness associated with (hypothetically) the earlier models before possibly the technology matured out of such "technical difficulties." You wouldn't want people experimenting with that sorta thing in the neighbourhood and accidentally causing chaos. And its potentially possible that until the technology matured to a reasonable safe level a lot of early flights had a lot of casualties. If that were the case, the govt might want to keep it on the down low while writing a lot of " John Doe met his fate in an unfortunate helicopter accident" letters to families and not want to create public uproar.

If E=MC2, which is really M=E/C2 and you accidentally figured out one day a while back how to change one of the variables in that equation, it could potentially be although very useful in a limited capacity but also very dangerous if misunderstood and misapplied. I'm sure there are good reasons a potential technology such as the topic of this thread would be tightly controlled and kept quiet.

Thats my speculation.

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:16 pm
by Searcher
G’day Yowie bait. I agree with your thoughts. It’s also a bit of a puzzle to me as to why NASA (Never A Straight Answer) and private enterprise continue to pour billions into developing chemical rockets when they already know how to make anti gravity craft Is the black budget TR-3B real??

The US government has supposedly been back engineering crashed craft since the 1940’s. It is relatively common to see ‘strange lights’ performing in unconventional ways near Area 51 in Nevada. Colonel Philip J. Corso, former Army Intelligence officer and Chief of the Pentagon’s Foreign Technology desk describes in his book ‘The Day After Roswell’ how he integrated captured alien technology into society for the benefit if humanity. Corso died of a “massive heart attack” in 1998.

Eisenhower famously said to “beware the military/industrial complex”. Some of these are the clandestine groups that now build reverse engineered versions of captured alien craft under the auspices of the CIA. If Betty Cash were still alive, she would testify to that. (Check out the Cash-Landrum incident on You Tube if you want to know more)

Also concur with a lot of bassplyr’s speculation. I’ve been reading about all this stuff for many decades. However, even with all that information, I can still only surmise or take a wild guess as to the real truth. Sad but true.

It is clear the US agencies that are “keepers of the secrets” are not yet ready to divulge this sensational information to the public. No doubt the military and CIA want to keep on developing any captured technology for strategic purposes.

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:30 am
by bassplyr
I'm not convinced that ufos are captured and reverse engineered technology. In fact, I'm quite convinced they are not.

One thing to keep in mind about anything classified. Its all compartmentalized. A Top Secret clearance of any level doesnt make you master of the universe or the key master. Just because you have a clearance at xyz level doesnt mean its cleared you to know about anything you arent specifically written in on. The best you can get is rumours about projects that might be going on literally next door to whatever you're working on. So its very plausible, i say by design, that a whole division in some high tech aerospace corp will not know anything or even hear a whisper about anything going on in other parts of the company. Therefore, you're going to see Boeing building a rocket based x-37, while elsewhere at the same company they could be quietly developing "anti-gravity" like devices.

The description of the vehicle in the cash landrum incident sounds like some type of flamejet generator. Which, to me, is suggestive of what the vehicle was experimenting with and trying to achieve.

My belief is that the TR-3b as described by Fouche is not real. Are there things out there that resemble it and manuever like one. In my opinion, oh yeah. But, i dont think its called the TR-3b, or that it works on any principles that Fouche proposed. For instance, rotating plasma at that atmospheric pressure and cyclical speed makes no sense.

I often wonder if people are looking at things the wrong way when they chase anti gravity and electrogravitics research.

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:11 pm
by gregvalentine
Searcher wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:19 am
It could be called a conundrum. ET craft that seem capable of travelling within our solar system, possibly across the Milky Way galaxy and maybe even travelling beyond through inter-galactic space in the universe… yet there are dozens of reported crashes worldwide.

How is it possible the space visitors can traverse the stars but not be able to fly without periodically crashing while in Earth’s atmosphere?
"Mother" ships and "Scout" ships . . .

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:05 pm
by Searcher
bassplyr wrote:
I'm not convinced that ufos are captured and reverse engineered technology. In fact, I'm quite convinced they are not.
Hi bassplyr. You seem to have a fair grasp of UFO history, so I would expect you know all about the Disclosure Project. For those that don’t know, over 200 ex military, intelligence, government and other witnesses have testified as to their knowledge and first hand experience about UFOs. Many spoke in detail about captured craft. All are prepared to testify on oath to Congress that they are telling the truth.
The Disclose Project claims:

“The recorded testimony of scores of military, government and other witnesses to Unidentified Flying Objects and Extraterrestrial events and projects from around the world establishes the existence of a UFO/Extraterrestrial presence on and around Earth. This recorded testimony consists of dozens of first-hand, often top-secret witnesses to UFO and Extraterrestrial events, internal UFO-related government projects and covert activities, space-based weapons programs, Extraterrestrial Intelligence, and covert, reverse-engineered energy and propulsion system projects. The technologies that are of an Extraterrestrial origin, when publicly released within a planned transition period, will provide solutions to global environmental and security challenges.

These numerous recorded witnesses constitute only a small portion of a vast pool of identified present or former military, intelligence, corporate, aviator, flight control, law enforcement officers, scientists and other witnesses, who will come forward when subpoenaed to testify at Congressional hearings. Without a grant of immunity releasing them from their security oaths, many such unimpeachable witnesses fear to speak out.”

What I am saying is that if just ONE of the testimonies from these many high ranked officials is true, then reverse engineering of UFOs is a fact. I simply don’t believe the witnesses are all making up stories. It defies logic and common sense. It certainly convinces me as to the reality of reverse engineered alien craft.

I would be most interested to hear the reasons why you are convinced that a UFO has never crashed on planet Earth.

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:09 pm
by Yowie bait
Searcher wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:16 pm
G’day Yowie bait. I agree with your thoughts. It’s also a bit of a puzzle to me as to why NASA (Never A Straight Answer) and private enterprise continue to pour billions into developing chemical rockets when they already know how to make anti gravity craft Is the black budget TR-3B real??

The US government has supposedly been back engineering crashed craft since the 1940’s. It is relatively common to see ‘strange lights’ performing in unconventional ways near Area 51 in Nevada. Colonel Philip J. Corso, former Army Intelligence officer and Chief of the Pentagon’s Foreign Technology desk describes in his book ‘The Day After Roswell’ how he integrated captured alien technology into society for the benefit if humanity. Corso died of a “massive heart attack” in 1998.

Eisenhower famously said to “beware the military/industrial complex”. Some of these are the clandestine groups that now build reverse engineered versions of captured alien craft under the auspices of the CIA. If Betty Cash were still alive, she would testify to that. (Check out the Cash-Landrum incident on You Tube if you want to know more)

Also concur with a lot of bassplyr’s speculation. I’ve been reading about all this stuff for many decades. However, even with all that information, I can still only surmise or take a wild guess as to the real truth. Sad but true.

It is clear the US agencies that are “keepers of the secrets” are not yet ready to divulge this sensational information to the public. No doubt the military and CIA want to keep on developing any captured technology for strategic purposes.
Hi Searcher. Thanks for mentioning the Cash -Landrum incident. These types of events are good reason for any man made type craft to be well and truly covered up like what would happen if an experimenral craft was revealed and then crash landed and blew up half a town. More cover ups i suppose....

I will look into these experiments you and Bassplayer have mentioned. Who knows what theyre up to?

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:03 am
by Yowie88
I also have pondered this question as to why UFO's crash, and it does my head in. Searcher you mentioned electrical interference and my mind immediately remembers watching a Foxtel doc called "Close Encounters".

A high profile French Doctor (who nursing an injury) had an amazing encounter on his property, unsure of the year but may have been the 60's or 70's. He was awaken by what sounded like a massive electrical storm outside and proceeds to investigate. What he saw was two large saucer shaped UFO's facing each other, they were tilted on their side so that the flatten side of the crafts were facing each other!

And hear was the truly strange part; the UFO's were "emitting" or "exchanging" bolt electricity between each other. After a short time the UFO"s seemed to "merge" into one giant craft and preceded to head towards the Doctor, who was standing outside his front door watching in utter amazement. The Doctor began to turn around and limber back but the UFO was right on top of him. Cannot recall but a beam of light may have zapped the Doc as he tried to hurry inside his house.

To cut a long story short, he told his wife who was awake in pure excitement when the wife had a WTF moment and said to the husband; "you have been healed, the scare (cannot recall exactly) is completely gone!

This Doc was very well known in his (I think) French Country community.

Re: UFO PUZZLE

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:47 am
by Searcher
G’day Yowie88. That’s a very unusual case involving the French doctor. I recall reading about it years ago. Another famous case that involves a disc perhaps in some sort of trouble is the amazing account given by Father Gill in New Guinea in 1959.

Along with 38 other witnesses, they watched alien creatures actually wave back to them as they worked on something on the saucer’s deck. It was a long and detailed sighting and took place over many hours and two days. Watch a short video below.

I have just finished re-reading Major Donald Keyhoe’s excellent book “Flying Saucers From Outer Space”. I first read it around 1970 and it was good to go over the old cases from the 50’s and 60’s again. My point is there are hundreds of thousands of sightings and encounters that have taken place during and since World War 11. MUFON claims a worldwide average of 600 UFOs per month are reported. Do the sums and you have over half a million cases in the last 75 years. Those sort of numbers represent an awful lot of UFOs flying around in our airspace!