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Unread post by TheBlackStump » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:42 pm

Before whitefella came to Australia I wonder if either the aboriginals or hairy persons had same sex relationships ... If yes then I wonder how the rest of their mobs would have reacted to it.

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Unread post by Scarts » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:10 pm

Banks, thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to keep a look out for god's retribution. I couldn't help thinking though, how appropriately your username rhymes with w_ _ _ s.

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Unread post by ChrisV » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:06 am

Shazzoir wrote:banks...If God is love, then allowing equality for EVERYONE would be the most loving thing you could do.

How dare you speak on behalf of the Almighty, seriously! >:( Hate is Satan's thing (if you believe that) so go stand in HIS corner with your fearmongering hate speech.

James 4:12 - "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Here endeth the damn lesson.
Shazzoir - there is no reasoning with this type of stupid argument. I would'nt waste your time even engaging such nonsense.

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Unread post by Shazzoir » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:34 pm

I know Chris, but couldn't let it go unchallenged.

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Unread post by Wolf » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:16 am

Don't get me wrong... I see Christianity just like any other religion; a tool used to control society.

But this event is a warning to everybody being used by TPTB to push forward their agenda:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ma ... g-11511826

A teacher in the UK has been suspended after congratulating his class of what he thought to be girls by saying "Well done, girls."

One student had decided she was in fact a boy so called him out on his praise. He immediately apologised but the LGBT brigade decided he needed punishing. He has been suspended.

After his suspension it became apparent the teacher is a christian who actually offered bible study classes during lunch a while back. The school quickly moved to shut down these classes and obviously sees this latest 'transgression' as an excuse to get rid of him because he is christian... yet they take children on school trips to visit mosques!!!

It is no surprise Aussie have suggested 'Yes' to SSM, after all the vast majority of aussies are lazzes faire and want a fair go for everybody. Aussies have the attitude of 'live and let live' and this is a great trait... sadly TPTB USE the 'good' in people to push their agendas.
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Unread post by hillbilly » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:02 pm

Wolf, What would you see as the longer term effects from this vote? We have had mention of the Education System overhaul, and peoples right to choose (Wedding Celebrants, Florists, Caterers)
What are we to expect?

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Unread post by Dion » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:21 pm

We hear a lot about the discrimination against the gay community and this possible legislation will now provide some comfort to those communities.

However I now feel that the tide has turned and the religious community, even those not religious but voted NO are now going to be discriminated against and their freedoms will now be taken away, if they wish not to partake in a gay marriage they may well be abused themselves, lose the job, be segregated etc.

Unfortunately you cant please everyone, and the more I see world events unfold the more I see certain religious prophecy being fulfilled.
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Unread post by Wolf » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:06 pm

The effects will be the same thing that has happened in other countries passing similar acts... 'political correctness' gone mad and used to 'punish' anyone who speaks out against the agenda by condemning everything they say as 'hate speech'.

You gotta understand this is only part of a very long-term agenda to destroy any possible threat to the 'system' and control the population at the same time. This is to be achieved by turning everybody into mindless, 'sexless' drones.

You see, the threat to 'their' plans is the strongest unit/component of ANY society... the family. Men will die to protect their wives and children.
By destroying the family structure parental influence/education/morality is destroyed and replaced by the 'state' utilising the 'education' system. (The State becomes the parents of all children and hence 'they' have control over the up and coming generations)

How to destroy the family structure?
1, Encourage women to 'have a career' rather than be a mother.
2, Encourage men to be 'Homer Simpsons', where temporary gratification and childlike behaviours are prioritised (TV, drinking, eating, extra-marital sex, etc).
3, Promote homosexuality, transgenderism, etc and demonise anyone wanting to have a 'traditional' life.
4, ...many more 'tactics' I do not have time to go into.

I could go on into much greater depth but it would require an essay and tonnes of footnotes quoting 'their' goals etc.

If you want a massive 'red-pill', fast-tracked education on this issue, please listen to/watch the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VllwRgSECcw&t=51s
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Unread post by TheBlackStump » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:24 am

Thanks for video Wolf , very interesting and informative.

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TheBlackStump wrote:The New World Order is gaining momentum. Part of the plan is to divide us.

Playboy Features First Transgender Playmate in November/December issue.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1188450/pg1
Well I would'nt buy that issue but I would not think it reflects the new world order - just some pretty screwed up fetish appetites .[/quote]

I would not buy that issue either and dont buy any porns mags anyway. I wonder who owns Playboy these days. Hugh probably would not have published it

I do personally think , I may be wrong, that it is just a very small cog in the machine being part of a much larger agenda of the global elites way of trying conditioning us ,or trying to.

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Unread post by Wolf » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:22 am

Pornography is another tool used to split up families, divide us as a society, and promote nihilism, self-gratification and the 'worship of the Self above others'.

When you can keep people thinking of themselves and only themselves they are extremely easy to control.

When I was a kid it was a shocking statistic that one in three marriages ended in divorce... now it is two in three.
The stated goal is to have NO lasting relationships in society (read Brave New World).

'They' want a society of self-interested individuals, NOT a society where every man and woman cares for and loves their partner and children... and will sacrifice themselves for the good of thier family.
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Unread post by Scarts » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:04 pm

We live in a diverse society, accept it, and better yet, embrace it. Australia has spoken and laws will be passed, allowing same sex marriage. It is a good thing.

What kind of Wolf are you meant to be, Wolf?

Marriage is an ideal institution. In reality, the majority of people have more than one serious longterm relationship in a lifetime. Til death do us part can become a prison sentence for some people, and those words mean jack sh!t to most people.

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Unread post by Scarts » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:07 pm

As for your comments, stump, patriarchy is slowly giving way to matriarchy. Generations from now, matriarchal societies will be the norm. What we are seeing is transition, hence, more women in the workforce with careers.

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Unread post by Wolf » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:10 pm

Scarts wrote:We live in a diverse society, accept it, and better yet, embrace it. Australia has spoken and laws will be passed, allowing same sex marriage. It is a good thing.
Personally, I am against 'marriage' entirely. No church or state has any power or effect over my relationship with my soul mate. We have been together, through tough times and good times for over 25 years and no power on earth could pull us apart. If someone NEEDS a certificate or state registration to give thier relationship strength or meaning I feel very sad for them.

What concerns me is the fact "laws will be passed" as experience and research has taught me certain elements of society use 'laws' to fulfill their agendas. For example; the TPP 'appeared' like a good idea until you dig deep into it and saw what is was really designed to do... strip participating nations of the lastof thier sovereignty.
Scarts wrote:What kind of Wolf are you meant to be, Wolf?
One who is concerned at how TPTB con and fool good people all the time... often using people's better aspects to thier nature against them. We have been lulled/persuaded/conned into giving up many of our freedoms and most are not even aware of it until it is too late.
Scarts wrote:Marriage is an ideal institution. In reality, the majority of people have more than one serious longterm relationship in a lifetime. Til death do us part can become a prison sentence for some people, and those words mean jack sh!t to most people.
And that is a sad fact of today's society... nobody gives a Sh!t about thier word anymore. I was brought up to believe a man's word is his bond and cannot be broken. Those times are gone for there are very few real men (or women) left now. They have been replaced by children more interested in what's on TV than what thier 'masters' are doing to them and their children's futures.

Instead of a society of nobility, honour and respect for all, we have become a society of infants with the state as our eternal parents and the controlled media telling us how and what to think. And it has happened by design.

Don't get me wrong, there were plenty of faults with the patriarchal system. Long past societal structures emphasising matriarchy had good points, emphasising compassion over power but sadly a matriarchal system today would be disastrous as women have been brainwashed to be competitive rather than cooperative because they have been taught to be that way to compete in a 'man's world'.
Women are naturally cooperative, while men are naturally competitive. We should work to our strengths, not take on attributes unnatural to our sex.

DISCLAIMER: the last statement is a generalisation by necessity to make a point. All people have varying degrees of both competitiveness and cooperativeness, regardless of sex.
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Unread post by Scarts » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:58 pm

I think you're too harsh on society. You enjoy jumping on the internet at a whim don't you? You enjoy all of today's technologies and medical advances. Patriarchal society enabled this to occur. Furthermore is society's thrust for transparency, justice, and fairness to all.

I have faith our politicians will learn from the mistakes or lessons of other countries, and the laws they eventually pass will be sound and reduce or eliminate Canada's problems fir example....

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Unread post by Wolf » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:40 pm

Not harsh on society... harsh on how it has been controlled by the elite.
Some people blame all our problems (poverty, pollution, wars, etc) on money. It is not money at fault, but how money is controlled by a very few. And sadly not many see the big con game that is fractional reserve lending controlled by private central banks.
For example, are you aware that our own central bank has private shareholders? Shareholders that remain anonymous?
"Give me control of a country's money supply and I care not who makes its laws." Meyer d Rothschild.

As to justice, transparency, etc... today whistleblowers face more threat and danger than they have for decades.
I have had judges tell me IN COURT that I was guilty until proven innocent, FFS! Does that sound like a fair and just society to you?

Here in Australia we live under the illusion that we have justice and a fair go for all, yet the PTB have re-written EVERY state's constitutions WITHOUT consulting the people as required under the constitution. In fact, most people are not even aware of the 'new' constitutions... were you?

Yes, we have incredible technology at our fingertips. Like law it is a two-edged sword, and like law 'they' are manning sure they control it more and more every day. Information I used to find fairly easy online is getting harder and harder to find. This last year the 'alternative' net has been shut down really bad. And the alternative media is likewise suffering. This week Russia Today was forced to declare themselves no longer a news service but a 'State Actor' under a 'law' dating back to pre WWII!
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Unread post by Simon M » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:39 am

banks wrote: GOD jugment will come upon australia if we do not vote NO AND you will stand before him and he will say i never knew you
You meant God's judgement? You meant Australia?

GOD jugment sounds like an Archie comics character.

Also, where in the Bible does it actually state that people stand before God and get a personal audience? God is all-knowing, so it's doubtful that any such thing would be necessary.

Essentially, all religions are intended to explain concepts which are not easily expressed - eternity, love and other abstractions which are hard to literally describe - so they use metaphors.

When people become preoccupied with the punitive aspects of religion rather than the aspects which promote unity and mutual respect things start to get ugly. Just look at the Middle East.

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Unread post by Simon M » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:42 am

Wolf wrote:"Give me control of a country's money supply and I care not who makes its laws."
Meyer d Rothschild.
Justin Trudeau did us a big favour by doing his mic-drop at the TPP meeting. Let's hope we can avoid that mess altogether.

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Unread post by Wolf » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:40 am

Malcom Talkbull faces a major issue now...

Okay, most australians were true to their form and suggested 'yes' (it was NOT a vote) to 'a fair go' and 'live and let live' (in their good-intentioned eyes at least).

The issue is a legal one. Here in Australia we operate under 'Common Law' (or at least the 'colour' of it).
Common Law is the law of precedent... a legal decision that counters a previous legal decision is not valid because it destroys the 'heirarchy' of laws.

Back in 1979 the Chief Justice of the High Court said in a majority (6-1) decision... “The Court is neither a legislature nor a law reform agency. Its responsibility is to decide cases by applying the law to the facts as found.”

Then when our Constitution was written the intention of the Australian framers was to prevent the Federal Parliament from expanding its limited and specified powers by simply changing the meaning of any word in the constitution. The Federal Guvmint has NO power to contradict or redefine the meaning of the word 'marriage' where 'marriage' is mentioned in the Constitution.
The High Court has repeatedly affirmed that the connotation or meaning of a given word must remain fixed as it was established at the time the law was originally enacted. “...the meaning to be given to a term [in the constitution] is that which it had at the date of the constitution, 1900.”

In 1866 there was an English decision (Hyde) made which held that marriage is, “the voluntary union for life between one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others.”

The ONLY way the constitution can be legally changed is via a referendum of the people, NOT by a so-called 'plebiscite' followed by legislation.

So let's see what happens next... will the guvmint once again IGNORE our founding document upon which ALL our laws are supposed to be based?
... adding yet another 'act' (NOT A LAW) that no-one is obligated to obey?

The High Court in R V KIRBY (1956) stated;
“A federal constitution must be rigid. The government it establishes must be one of defined powers; within those powers it must be paramount, but it must be incompetent to go beyond them.” (Par 3)
And in WAKIM (1999);
“A legislature can not , by preambular assertions, recite itself into constitutional power where none exists.” (Para 193)
And to Chief Justice Latham’s findings in SOUTH AUSTRALIA V COMMONWEALTH (1949), para 12;
“...the Commonwealth Parliament, unlike the Parliament at Westminster, depends for its existence and for its powers on a written Constitution.” And in para 13; “A pretended law made in excess of power is not and never has been a law at all.”
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Unread post by Scarts » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:04 am

Adding yet another act, not a law. That noone is obligated to obey...

Hmm, what happens to people who choose to commit offences under the domestic and family violence protection act 2012, drugs misuse act 1986, summary offences act 2005, the transport operations (road use management act) 1995, or weapons act 1990?

Wolf, people who commit offences under any of those acts mentioned above, usually find themselves in s court facing either fines or prison sentences. People are obligated to obey these laws and ignorance is no excuse before the law.

Hop down off your soapbox. Your arguments are pathetic to say the least and you have zero credibility. You are making facts up and your audience is not as stupid as you'd like it to be.

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Unread post by Scarts » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:04 am

Adding yet another act, not a law. That noone is obligated to obey...

Hmm, what happens to people who choose to commit offences under the domestic and family violence protection act 2012, drugs misuse act 1986, summary offences act 2005, the transport operations (road use management act) 1995, or weapons act 1990?

Wolf, people who commit offences under any of those acts mentioned above, usually find themselves in s court facing either fines or prison sentences. People are obligated to obey these laws and ignorance is no excuse before the law.

Hop down off your soapbox. Your arguments are pathetic to say the least and you have zero credibility. You are making facts up and your audience is not as stupid as you'd like it to be.

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Unread post by Wolf » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:23 am

Scarts, the facts are the facts, I am not making anything up and have tested and proven everything I say in court.

The fact is our government is NOT our government as designed under the constitution. The system of governance has been changed behind our backs and by stealth... and nobody (except some in the judiciary, and even less on the parliament) know or even give a damn.

And those that DO know and care are 'dealt with' using a variety of methods.
I suspect this whole 'dual citizenship' issue started as an attempt to get rid of Malcom Roberts (who DOES know of what I am discussing here and has spoken out about it). It worked, Roberts is gone... though at some cost to the major parties.

Occasionally in court the magistrate has shown shock and surprise at my defence. They have fumbled thier way around it, specifically the point that the TORUM Act 1995 has NO proclamation as required and was even 'updated' in 2002 to remove section 2, 'The Commencement' to try and get around this issue.

When I showed one judge the original 1995 act that still had section 2, she suddenly got very nervous and asked where I had found it. I replied that it was obtaineable online. On that occassion the plaintiff was council represented by the founding solicitor of a large law firm (the firm obviously took my submitted arguments seriously enough to give it to the 'top guy', even though it was just a parking fine.
The judge then proceeded to suggest other technicalities that might give her reason to dismiss the matter without referring to the obvious illegality of the act itself.

It ended when I gave her the way out... by asking for evidence I had agreed to the terms and conditions of the contract suggested by the parking officer in his evidence. In other words, asking for evidence I had seen, read, and agreed to the terms and conditions of the parking sign.

Of course, they could provide no such evidence. The judges relief was palpable and she dismissed the matter.
Sadly, in today's so called courts relief can only be obtained when you get a judge with a shred of honour and integrity. Twice now I have been assigned special judges from the city in special courtrooms with NO witnesses to deal with me and this issue. Interestingly this has only happened after several adjournments because I have submitted my written arguments and given the magistrates advance warning of said legal argument.

The most recent appearance, after four adjournments, was held in a back courtroom and did not finish until after 6pm... boy was that a long day (sneaky) The judge spent ages in his chambers trying to find a way around my main argument... no proclamation for the TORUM Act.
Eventually he returned. All he could come up with was a demand for ME to prove the proclamation DID NOT exist!
By doing this he laid himself wide open for serious reprimand as EVERY judge, solicitor, law student and lay person KNOWS it is impossible to prove a negative. He was gambling that I would not appeal the decision... a gamble that paid off because there was no way I was appealing because the appeals courts are a court of record and by this time I had been warned I would likely be raided and set up in order to prevent a precedent being set. At the magistrates court level no records are kept so there can be no precedent set. And as no records are kept it would be my word against his that he made such a ridiculous declaration in 'his' court.

As to using this argument as a defence against 'real' crimes (weapons act, drug act, etc)... who knows? If it has been used successfully we would certainly never hear of it.


You are right, ignorance of the law is no excuse... which is how the judges justify thier sheering sheds. If the sheep coming before them to be shorn do NOT present knowledge of the law that will remove the charges, it is the sheep's fault, NOT the judge's fault.

Tell me Scarts, in all your wisdom... do you think it is okay for a judge to tell you IN COURT that you are Guilty until you prove yourself innocent? Is this an example of a just and fair court system?
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Unread post by ChrisV » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:21 am

So after reading post after post, page after page of fear campaigns on how our liberties are going down the drain if we accept a YES vote, I am afraid to say it just doesn't seem to be the case.

I am very happy for those people who are now enriched to be able to access services and benefits that many others have taken for granted for years. I extend them a welcome aboard (happy)

Its great to see some forward thinking and progressive steps being taken

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Unread post by Wolf » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:32 am

ChrisV... the 'vote' (it was not a vote, it was a plebiscite, but anyway) only came in last week... give it time. We have not seen the actual legislation yet.

I should add that after my appearance mentioned in my previous post; wherein I told the magistrate she could find the original '95 TORUM Act online it has been removed from the AustLii database. (detective)

Now I will patiently wait for Scarts to answer my question and rebut any of my points or provide any evidence to support his claims I am making stuff up...
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Unread post by TheBlackStump » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:32 pm

@Wolf said

...do you think it is okay for a judge to tell you IN COURT that you are Guilty until you prove yourself innocent? Is this an example of a just and fair court system?

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The drug/cannabis laws in NSW was changed a fews years ago..so apparently this is the case in NSW Courts now in relation to commercial size drug busts..... you are now automatically considered guilty until such time as you can prove otherwise to the court .

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re my above comment

It has been reported in the media that some people charged with cannabis cultivation of a commercial quantity are
claiming verifiable medical conditions for themselves or their child for example. It is reported that courts are reluctant to convict persons in this situation.

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Unread post by Scarts » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:10 pm

Yeah Wolf, by the sounds of things you really rocked the establishment by challenging your parking ticket.

You are speaking out of your backside, Wolf. Only, I think your adult nappy is overflowing from follow through.

Your fancy use of the word plebiscite like it's a dirty word, is hilarious. Your fear is even more laughable. People vote in politicians and political parties. People have never voted in laws. Politicians decide and make laws.

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Unread post by Wolf » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:07 pm

Scarts wrote:Yeah Wolf, by the sounds of things you really rocked the establishment by challenging your parking ticket.

You are speaking out of your backside, Wolf. Only, I think your adult nappy is overflowing from follow through.

Your fancy use of the word plebiscite like it's a dirty word, is hilarious. Your fear is even more laughable. People vote in politicians and political parties. People have never voted in laws. Politicians decide and make laws.
Just as I thought... not even an attempt at a rebuttal. Instead you toss insults like a child.

It is because of brainwashed children like you the corrupt psychopaths gain power and maintain their power over all of us.

Please answer the question... Is it okay for people to be guilty until they prove themselves innocent in your world?
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Unread post by Zed » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 pm

Ok boy's play nice, I guess we will all be waiting to see what happens in parliament, society and the bakeries!

I heard a politician today say he voted yes when the majority of his electorate voted no, he was asked to replace the word "gay" with "black" and see how it sounds. He realised it was unfair and discriminatory and couldn't in good faith vote no.

As far as society changing, yes we are softening up, women are influencing society and a lot of men have softened up and show empathy.

With the mention of porn, I don't think it is some agenda to tear apart families, it is just another way people make money. I am not particularly fond of it and I think it does have some negative affects on an addictive nature. Unfortunately it pays or you wouldn't see it. Like most things in this world money talks and makes the world go around.

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Unread post by hillbilly » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:18 am

Scarts wrote:Yeah Wolf, by the sounds of things you really rocked the establishment by challenging your parking ticket.

You are speaking out of your backside, Wolf. Only, I think your adult nappy is overflowing from follow through.

Your fancy use of the word plebiscite like it's a dirty word, is hilarious. Your fear is even more laughable. People vote in politicians and political parties. People have never voted in laws. Politicians decide and make laws.
Well that sort of reply is one which I never thought I would see here. There was no fear in his post- merely pointing out the twisted system that governs us.
It reminds me of the story at Sydney Uni a month or so back, where the Yes voters were taunting and trashing the Christian Food stand.
You should really be ashamed. I think you have done , what the left likes to call "hate speak".
Perhaps the site owners should re-assess the "Gold" status of the poster.
But this is just my opinion, of which we are all entitled, yes?

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