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Unread post by Wolf » Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:54 am

Secret document FCO 30/1048 kept truth about EU from British for 30 years

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ish-public

"The unknown author – a senior civil servant – correctly predicted the then European Economic Community (the EEC effectively became the EU in 1993) was headed for economic, monetary and fiscal union, with a common foreign and defence policy, which would constitute the greatest surrender of Britain’s national sovereignty since 1066.

He went on to say “Community law” would take precedence over our own courts and that ever more power would pass away from Parliament to the bureaucratic system centred in Brussels."
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Unread post by Simon M » Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:47 pm

The whole push towards globalisation has effectively meant that a cabal of extremely wealthy people have been directly influencing international policy across the world for decades. I think the Global Financial Crisis was what finally drew this to many people's attention. It was a rude awakening to the problems inherent in that system, and to the attitude those who operate that system have towards the majority of people who aren't members of the the club.

We can see it with the current LNP Federal Government here as well; their constant attempts to weaken he union movement for ideological reasons is a good example of it. They see themselves as a ruling hierarchy, not as elected representatives. Why should they have to deal with the concerns of their lowly minions? They've brought on the current wave of 'culture wars' themselves by having legislated to remove penalty rates. They were also forced to hold the current Royal Commission into the financial sector - the LNP fought that until the bitter end. I don't think that will be forgotten now that we've seen the tip of the iceberg regarding the outlandish practices of the financial sector.

Both the big political parties willingly accept money from the same Chinese property developers and meet with the same well-funded lobby groups. They're both willing to be 'persuaded' by donors to their respective political parties.

The increasing erosion of public trust we're seeing now is entirely the fault of our MP's. They're completely tone-deaf to the concerns of anyone who isn't part of their exclusive club.

The other thing that concerns me is the language around it all - when did we develop a 'political class' in this country? It's a relatively new term but a telling one. The MP's are members of a distinct 'class' apparently, or that's how they describe themselves. What does that make the rest of us?

Where the LNP make their most glaring error, though, is in how they speak to the public. It's the overall smugness and condescension that is doing them the most harm in the polls, in my opinion. Witness the recent behaviour of minister Cash with regard to the subpoena(s) she's been issued with, or the bully-boy hostility of Turnbull in Question Time, or the attitude of every single Cabinet Minister whenever they're asked a question they don't like by those impudent peasants in the press gallery - they behave as if they're aristocrats. They're above answering questions from the lower orders who don't seem to know their place.

The way Shorten might be able to win the next election is by simply continuing to play the slightly befuddled 'nice guy' as he's been doing since he became the leader of the ALP. Turnbull's becoming increasingly shrill, his tenure as PM has seen more public chaos than I think the LNP have ever been through. Just think of how many ministers have had to leave since 2013 when the LNP first came into office, and the various tales of financial mismanagement and outright rorting that have been made public. From Bishop's helicopter ride to the broken marble coffee table at Tony Abbott's 'goodbye' party as PM to Joyce's affair with his staffer, the sheer number of scandals this lot have been involved in is unprecedented. Even the Whitlam years weren't this jam-packed with scandal after scandal. People are sick of it.

The ALP are no better, in my opinion. They just have a different coat of paint and use slightly different rhetoric. I know I don't trust Turnbull to make decisions based on the good of the nation, or even the good of the general public. He still still behaves like a Goldman Sachs employee through-and-through and I don't trust his judgement.

Turnbull still hasn't learned his lesson from the whole Godwin Grech debacle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utegate

Turnbull makes bold predictions prematurely ("...the High Court will so hold"), doesn't speak the language of the ordinary Australian and has - rightly or wrongly - been a massive disappointment as a PM. He's been too much talk and too little action and I think he's a goner at the next election (which he'll call early, just watch).

Anyway...sorry for ranting.

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Unread post by Wolf » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:31 pm

Good rant and spot on.

For decades now we have been plagued with 'professional' politicians and therein lies the problem.
IMO the last 'layperson' who held any position of power in Australia was Joh.

For democracy to work politicians must be chosen from the masses, from every walk of life and every strata of society.
And personally, I think they should not be paid any more than the dole... if that.

That way truly successful people who feel the need to give back to the society that made them rich could serve without corruption.
And even the unemployed could have a go.

Either that or burn the system down and start again.

Sadly whatever system is put in will be corrupted within two generations no matter how utopian for that is human nature.
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Unread post by Simon M » Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:05 am

I'm encouraged by the attitude of young people. They're often described as being 'disengaged' from politics, but I think they just look at it differently than other pre-internet generations have done.

I'm not saying you're wrong about systems becoming corrupt over time, Wolf - every complex system will eventually break down, that's true. In fact, Tony Abbott's rise and fall was an almost textbook example of the Peter Principle in action.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

I'm not sure anyone wins if we try to hit the reset button. I do agree that career politicians are at the heart of the current problem. Most of the current lot know nothing but uni and then politics; they've never actually lived in the real world.

It's hard not to be cynical, but I do think that Turnbull and his lot are just the dregs of the old John Howard crew who refuse to admit their day is done. They're too deeply ensconced in their own world to worry about the one the rest of us live in. Maybe a change will do some good...but even that seems doubtful.

The only saving grace is that the poor will always outnumber the rich. The rich might have loads of money, but they still only have one vote each just like the rest of us.

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Unread post by TheBlackStump » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:07 pm

We need someone like Trump to come in and drain the swamp and reinstate the rule of law as per our constitution.

What Trump is doing to drain the swamp in the US and also other countries is amazing. You will not hear much about it b/c the corporate media are choosing not to report on their own . Clinton and Obama and other high ranking persons could possibly spend the rest of their lives behind bars for treason and other crimes once the US Military Court has finished with them. Obama was born in Kenya not in the USA and has never been an American citizen. Obama is reported tp be related related to Mandella and Rockafella.

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Unread post by Simon M » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:58 pm

Regardless of your political beliefs, Trump has just as little regard for the rule of law as Obama did. All politicians at that level are cut from the same cloth - only the pattern printed on the cloth varies to a slight degree. Both Trump and Obama would've done or said anything to win an election; make any deal, tell any lie. They've both told massive porky pies to get where they did - all politicians do it.

What I dislike is the partisanship which everyday people get sucked into going along with. The only people who care about these political shenanigans are the politicians themselves, hoping to whip the public into a frenzy so they can keep getting away with stuff. Like the 'birther' debate, which is long since dead and buried. Or like the Russian connection Trump's being accused of, which is clearly a furphy in my opinion. Let the politicians attack each other with lies - everyday people are smarter than that. We need to be, or they'll rob us all blind and smile while they do it.

If Obama had really been born in Kenya, he'd never have been elected. If Trump was really a communist sympathiser who was involved with Russian spies, he'd have been arrested years ago. Both rumours are just that - rumours.

We already had Clive Palmer, as close to an Aussie Trump as we're ever likely to get. He threw in the towel. We don't need a Trump, we need something new and totally different than what we've currently got, that much I agree with.

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Unread post by TheBlackStump » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:36 am

Hi Simon

Proof ? Obama has never been an American citizen and was born in Kenya and his USA birth certificate if fake. There is a video (which I can not find atm) of Democrats confirming Obama is not a US citizen and his birth certificate is fake.

Barack Obama Admits he was born in Kenya Speech


Proof that Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is a forgery - an impeachable felony


Malik Obama shares photo of brother Barack’s Kenya ‘certificate of birth’
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/malik- ... ate-birth/

WOW: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Releases New Information on President Obama's Fake Birth Certificate (FNN)

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Unread post by Simon M » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:01 am

That first video is clearly, clearly doctored. It cuts away when he makes the 'admission' and we don't see his face in one continuous shot. It's extremely easy to fake things in this day and age and that's exactly what that video is.

As I've said, I mistrust the mass media's take on things in general, but I mistrust politicians to an even greater degree. I don't doubt that Obama's was a Presidency marred by inaction (at the very least), but there's no way that crowd would've just sat there and not reacted to a statement like "I was born in Kenya". They're Americans. They're one of the most obsessively patriotic nations in the world - that crowd would've reacted. Just look at the editing - it's not fair dinkum. They've used an app like audacity or pro-tools to manipulate stuff he's said in other speeches to create that soundtrack. Ask yourself why we don't see his face when he says it, and why the camera jumps around so much...it's an obvious fake.

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Unread post by TheBlackStump » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:40 am

You make a good point about the first video which I agree with .
What is your opinion re proof of evidence in the other 3 links I posted.
Obama older brother in Kenya is reported as saying Obama was born in Kenya and he has produced a Kenyan birth certificate as alleged proof of his claim.

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Simon M wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:58 pm
We don't need a Trump, we need something new and totally different than what we've currently got, that much I agree with.
Whats about a Vladimir Putin "like" figure. To instill national pride, one who actually has the national interest at heart. Who wouldn't bow to other interests in a treason-like manner. Make Australia GREAT again.
Naaah. It'll never happen.

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Unread post by Wolf » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:01 pm

Australia lost a great opportunity when Palmer started his own party instead of forming one with Bob Katter.

If the 'alternatives' (and there are some good ones) to the 'Big Two' could have only come together.... (sigh) but talk about herding cats... :roll:

We lost the Democrats (formed to keep the bastards honest) with only scattered egos to replace it.

Plus Clive was and is being intentionally destroyed by the system... a good example of what happens to 'threats to the status quo' here in the wonderful land of Oz.

The tyrannous, treasonous bastards threw Pauline in prison for giving it a go...
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Unread post by Wolf » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:04 pm

hillbilly wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:30 am
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Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:58 pm
We don't need a Trump, we need something new and totally different than what we've currently got, that much I agree with.
Whats about a Vladimir Putin "like" figure. To instill national pride, one who actually has the national interest at heart. Who wouldn't bow to other interests in a treason-like manner. Make Australia GREAT again.
Naaah. It'll never happen.
Like a Dick Smith crossed with maybe Pat Rafter? Someone with similar 'credentials' in the public vision might have a chance?
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Unread post by TheBlackStump » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:07 pm

Yep agree with Putin like figure for sure is needed.
Trump has the deep state very worried atm and is making great headway to get rid of them both inside and outside the USA as he said he would drain the swamp. Trump is lucky not to have been assasinated to date.
There are currently about 5000 sealed indictments of very high ranking people (mostly deep state) that will be unsealed in the not too distant future and mass arrests made when the time is right.Clinton and Obama included. Possible future civil war within the USA.

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Wolf wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:04 pm
hillbilly wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:30 am
Simon M wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:58 pm
We don't need a Trump, we need something new and totally different than what we've currently got, that much I agree with.
Whats about a Vladimir Putin "like" figure. To instill national pride, one who actually has the national interest at heart. Who wouldn't bow to other interests in a treason-like manner. Make Australia GREAT again.
Naaah. It'll never happen.
Like a Dick Smith crossed with maybe Pat Rafter? Someone with similar 'credentials' in the public vision might have a chance?
Hi Wolf

Yes Dick Smith crossed my mind also. Maybe also some sporting heros or movie stars ?

Maybe in the future may have a different and worse political situation after a global financial meltdown and/or WW3 and a 100 million strong China military marches down here and takes the country and we then have a communist gov. Anything is possible. If China stopped trading with us .....

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Unread post by Wolf » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:52 pm

TheBlackStump wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:07 pm
...Trump is lucky not to have been assasinated to date.
There has been attempts. He is well protected by the patriots in the military.
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Wolf wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:52 pm
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:07 pm
...Trump is lucky not to have been assasinated to date.
There has been attempts. He is well protected by the patriots in the military.
I have read of reported 7 attempts/planned attemps to date. Trump is also supported by police forces and black ops. Trump is up against the CIA,FBI,DOJ and many other corrupt alphabet agencies as well as the corporate media with their fake news. Word has it that black ops have warned these agencies that if anything happens to Trump then all hell will break loose.

And Donald Trump is doing all this and risking his life without being paid anything to be president. He said at the beginning he would be president without pay. Doing it for the love of his country and his people to restore the rule of law as per the constitution.

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TheBlackStump wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:07 pm
Yep agree with Putin like figure for sure is needed.
Trump has the deep state very worried atm and is making great headway to get rid of them both inside and outside the USA as he said he would drain the swamp. Trump is lucky not to have been assasinated to date.
There are currently about 5000 sealed indictments of very high ranking people (mostly deep state) that will be unsealed in the not too distant future and mass arrests made when the time is right.Clinton and Obama included. Possible future civil war within the USA.

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It is reported there are currently now more than 30,000 sealed indictments with more to come including some from Trumps Republican Party.

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Unread post by Simon M » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:18 am

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You make a good point about the first video which I agree with .
What is your opinion re proof of evidence in the other 3 links I posted.
Obama older brother in Kenya is reported as saying Obama was born in Kenya and he has produced a Kenyan birth certificate as alleged proof of his claim.
It's impossible to know. If he wasn't born in the United States, then someone's gone to a LOT of trouble to cover it up...but for what purpose? Whenever there's some type of conspiracy suggested, I always look for what the alleged conspirators would stand to get or achieve by perpetrating the scam/hoax.

In Obama's case, the Democrats could easily have gotten a dupe/candidate who was born in the USA. To me, it looks more like white supremacists trying to smear him on the basis of his ethnicity than anything else. Why would the Democrats field such a compromised candidate? They'd be taking too big a risk. That's just my opinion of it. There's nothing to be gained by the Democrats by having a Kenyan guy with a fake ID as their candidate. They took a big enough risk having an African American guy, so I don't see them deciding to play double jeopardy by choosing a non-citizen into the bargain. Political parties all want to win elections, it's why they exist.

It's the same thing as the whole 'Russian connection' with Trump. Just look at how quickly the Republicans stopped laughing at him once they cottoned onto the fact that he actually had such massive support. He went from a joke to the only serious candidate in very short order - because the Republicans knew he had a real chance of winning. Trump was smart enough to know he could connect with people (he's an experienced showman and salesman, after all), and that people hated Hillary Clinton's guts - Trump didn't get where he is by being stupid. He knew he'd never have a better chance of winning than he would with her as his opponent. He's famous and charismatic, she's dogmatic and unlikeable, not to mention compromised (the email stuff, the scandal involving the attacks in Benghazi). Trump knew whoever ran against Clinton would have an easier time of it. Praise was heaped upon Obama - much of it based on his ethnicity just as much of the criticism he faced was - and Trump knew Obama was media savvy and likeable. Trump waited for his best chance - had clearly been planning this for years - and he won.

His political enemies have concocted the 'Russian' thing as a kind of ball-and-chain to try and slow him down - and not all of his political enemies are Democrats. Plenty of people within the Republican party despise him as well.

The point is, whoever gets elected needs to be allowed to actually run things without all the BS and political static from the commentariat. I didn't like Tony Abbott (due to his 's#@t happens' remarks and his subsequent odd behaviour when asked about it), and although I didn't vote for him, it made me angry when Turnbull rolled him. Not because I had any love for Abbott, but because he was elected by the majority of Australians and had earned the right to a full term in office (in my view). Just as Kevin Rudd did when Gillard rolled him. I'm still angry about Whitlam's 'dismissal' - MP's of any political stripe playing with the rules to undermine the spirit of the Parliament and the will of the people angers me.

Sadly, the Parliament is run by self-serving parasites, now. If the concept of political parties was dumped and MP's did what they're meant to be doing (representing their constituents in the Houses of Parliament) things would be different...but parties are easier for big business interests to manipulate, and they're only a rort if you're not in on them, etc.

As far as Trump goes, the media were always going to focus on his tendency towards hyperbole. Just as they focused on showering Obama with undeserved praise (The Nobel Peace Prize???) because of his ethnicity, and anyone who dared question his motives or decisions was labelled a racist, etc.

I do think the 'Birther' stuff is nonsense, motivated by racism - just my take on it. Do I think Obama was some sort of modern day Saint who was above reproach? Not on your life. He spent the whole time sitting on his hands and making little comedy videos with Joe Biden when he should've been taking action (in the Middle east, the South China Sea, and a dozen other locations). He was one of the worst Presidents in living memory, perhaps one of the worst of all time.

Trump is like the modern day William Howard Taft; the only difference being that, in this era, he rose up through the world of celebrity rather than the world of the judiciary. Like Trump, he was born into wealth but was able to speak to the 'man in the street' in a way that surprised his fellow Republicans. Like Trump, his popularity was often used as a way of insulting him, or implying that he was merely a populist by satirists of the day. But I'm going off on a tangent.

My point is that I think there are racists in the American political system who had it in for Obama, hence the 'birther' thing. Just my opinion. I think Clinton would've made a terrible President, and that Trump's only flaw is his lack of humility, which his enemies might well be able to use against him in the long run. I doubt that he'll get a second term, as too many powerful forces seem to be mobilising against him (including sections of the Republican Party). I don't dislike Trump, and I think Hillary Clinton would've continued to do nothing just as Obama did.

I know there's an argument that Trump's unpredictability is a liability, but I see it as a strength - he's managed to let Russia and China let their guard down by giving them a false sense of security (hence their current attempts at empire-building), and he's got North Korea talking (which is going to make China nervous). He might be playing a game of brinkmanship, but the only way to end a stalemate is to do something unexpected and rely on your wits to succeed. I think his unique approach to international politics (as a dealmaker and a provocateur) is new, and therefore shocking to the political rank-and-file.

Sorry for rambling on. ;)

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Unread post by Wolf » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:36 pm

I can see how you might come to those conclusions based on the media coverage, Simon... but there is far more to it.

For example: Both Obama and Hillary were 'invited' to meet the Bilderbergers in 08 (the small few running things, not the few hundred participating in the conference).

Hillary was 'promised' the presidency when Obama finished if she backed off because TPTB saw with Obama in they had a much better chance of keeping public support/blindness to their agenda.

Trump was approached by the patriots in the military (many of whom had been sacked by Obama) to run as a counter coup to what they saw as the cold coup orchestrated by the elite (Bilderbergers).
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Unread post by Simon M » Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:17 am

All good points, Wolf...but I don't trust the motives of any of these groups. I don't dislike Trump, but I don't trust him any more than I trusted Obama. They're both the same animal in my view, just with a slightly different pelt. I prefer Trump's bluntness to Obama's 'Mr. Smooth' persona...but I don't think Trump is a particularly nice bloke. I don't doubt that he's destroyed the lives of others to get where he is, and his comments about women speak for themselves.

Whoever recruited whom, they're still not concerned about anything other than making deals to ensure their own success (politically or otherwise). Trump's just less coy about it.

It's impossible for America to criticise Russia for dealing with Assad (for example) when they've been guilty of fostering relationships with the oil barons of the Emirates, etc. Money talks. All governments seek to influence other governments in other parts of the world. At an international level, politics is even dirtier than it is domestically.

Ordinary people, not the wealthy few, should be directing things in a democratic nation. That hasn't been the case for a long time, though. America stopped being a republic and became an Empire in the early years of the 20th Century. They've done all the stuff they accuse China of doing (South America is the way it is today partially due to the actions of American politicians and moguls), all of them are suspect in my opinion.

That's not to say that some are less worse. But I don't think Trump's a heroic figure.

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Unread post by Wolf » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:55 am

'America', like 'Australia' is a corporation acting as the administrator for the bankruptcy of the government but posing as the government.

A bankruptcy forced upon both countries by the Central Bankster elite via war.
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Unread post by Wolf » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:58 am

I forgot to add... Obama was/is a CIA assett educated and 'designed' for the role since birth. His mother was a CIA operative trained as a 'honey pot' and his real father was a 'communist revolutionary', NOT a Kenyan student.
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A bit off topic and a bit far out but....

Obama was recently outed by the late Joan Rivers as being Americas first gay president and also Rivers says that Michelle (Michael) Obama is transgender and both their daughters are actually adopted. No records/photos birth certificates etc can be found......... Joan Rivers died not long after making these claims following a routine medical procedure.



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Thank god Clinton was not elected as president.
Video evidence on Anthony Weiner laptop of Anthony Weiners shows his wife Huma Abedin and Hillary Clinton in a real life satanic snuff film. The victim is a young girl.
This video was leaked and can be viewed for a price only on the dark web. The details of what Clinton and Abedin did to this young girl (torture , sex acts ) are too gory to detail.....after the girl was dead they drained her blood and drunk it......
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New York Police Department detectives and prosecutors working an alleged underage sexting case against former Congressman Anthony Weiner have turned over a newly-found laptop he shared with wife Huma Abedin to the FBI with enough evidence “to put Hillary (Clinton) and her crew away for life,” NYPD sources told True Pundit.

The NYPD seized the computer from Weiner during a search warrant and detectives discovered a trove of over 500,000 emails to and from Hillary Clinton, Abedin and other insiders during her tenure as secretary of state. The content of those emails sparked the FBI to reopen its defunct email investigation into Clinton on Friday.

But new revelations on the contents of that laptop, according to law enforcement sources, implicate the Democratic presidential candidate, her subordinates, and even select elected officials in far more alleged serious crimes than mishandling classified and top secret emails, sources said. NYPD sources said these new emails include evidence linking Clinton herself and associates to:

Money laundering
Child exploitation
Sex crimes with minors (children)
Perjury
Pay to play through Clinton Foundation
Obstruction of justice
Other felony crimes

Now, today, sex crimes with minors is mentioned several times in the 500-page IG report.

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Sean Hannity 6/14/18 I Hannity Fox News Today June 14,2018


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The above Fox News Hannityvideo plus many other Fox News Hannity videos have been deliberately deleted from YouTube by YouTube.... to restrict the truth from getting out to the masses......

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Re: And you still trust politicians?

Unread post by TheBlackStump » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:28 pm


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