sensesonfire wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:55 pm
M-glass wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:59 pm
I mean come on --- what god by whichever title would select one group of humans over another or teach that only 144,000 (out of a claimed 8 billion) will be 'saved' ? Eh? Is that the sort of god you choose or want to be associated with?
M-glass IMO you are wrong.
You've got it wrong these 144,000 people are those who came through the Tribulation 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel they wore the seal of God on their foreheads all the others will have the seal of Satan (Number of the beast) and are doomed.
The Great Tribulation comes at end times and before this event can occur Christians will be raptured and taken out of this world they will not have to endure what is to come. So Christians on earth during this time have already been saved. The 144,000 are those that turned to God and away from Satan during this period.
Modern Locations of the Lost Tribes of Israel.
ASHER - Republic of South Africa
BENJAMIN - Norway
GAD - Germany
ISAACHAR - Finland
EPHRAIM - United Kingdom
MANASSEH - United States
JUDAH - Primarily the nation of Israel
LEVI - Scattered among descendants of Israel
NAPHTHALI - Sweden
RUBEN - France
SIMEON - Scattered among descendants of Israel
ZEBULON - Holland.
So it is my understanding that because the Tribulation will occur in what we call modern times that these 144,000 thousand will come from the above countries.
M-glass wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:59 pm
Not me. My God emerges in my best qualities and the best qualities of those I know and have met --- happy, cheerful, optimistic, grateful for Life's beauty and wonder, compassionate, merciful, generous, kind, forgiving, decent and wise, etc. That's my God. My God knows I live NOW --- not two or tens of thousands of years ago.
May I ask just who is your God? are you talking about the Christian God? Because if you are all those wonderful qualities you espouse to will not gain you salvation.
M-glass wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:59 pm
We're not going to 'solve' Yowies. Or other cryptos. Or ghosts. etc. They are part and parcel of the 99%/93% which it appears we were designed to remain largely ignorant of,
When we do discover what these cryptos are it will be too late in my opinion and we will discover them in the most unpleasant way some people I may add have already discovered them. As for ghosts, demonic activity I can't speak for others but I am under no illusions as to what this is.
Senses --- guess the gentle hints about energy flowing where attention goes missed their mark, along with 'curiosity killed the cat', 'tulpas' and letting the shadows fall behind thee, sigh
It was you who -- out of context if your most recent post is to be relied upon -- raised the issue of the fabled 144,000 in an earlier post, remember ? In addition, the Jehovah's Witnesses or maybe Seventh Day Adventists seem to mention 144,000 quite a bit, apparently
But, in the Judaism-heavy world of current Christian organised religion, why no mention of the beliefs and religions --many -- from which the jews basically plagiarized chunks of what has been passed down to us as the Old Testament, as has the numerous and varied names given to today's Jesus
There are Christians today, as in past centuries, who believe that mankind emerged as he stands today. In order to justify the teaching of such beliefs, magical maths claims to have proven that mankind is no older than a few thousand years earth-time, despite abundant proofs to the contrary
You ask which god I refer to? Answer: to the one true God of course (whose house holds many mansions, according to Christ)
But, it seems my God is quite a bit more sophisticated than yours. My God isn't restricted or constrained to complying with books or threats written by man
For example, my God is, of course, well aware of the burdens and limitations placed on mankind by genetics, conditioning, etc. Even the old jews or perhaps the more enlightened cultures which came before them, were aware of the role played by genetics when they mention the 'sins of the fathers' being borne by successive generations. 'Sins' I understand to mean not only what we consider actual 'sins', but more importantly the genetic inheritance bequeathed to subsequent generations at the moment of conception. A family already crippled by the effects of inbreeding is more likely than not to produce offspring similarly cursed by physical and mental problems. And that happens at the instant of conception. If say, that unfortunate child grows to become a blasphemer, a rapist, killer, thief --- my God would not condemn that individual as a 'sinner'. Instead, my God would accept that individual as blameless and as worthy of love and acceptance as the most fervent church-goer. And I would expect no less from my God
In fact, I tend to believe that my God doesn't believe in or recognise 'sin' and instead, accepts all .. all
Christ didn't write the Bible. Man wrote the Bible and all the other religious tomes. And those books were reordered, translated multiple times, etc. The truth of God, beyond all the agendas and slanders, interpretations be they willful or accidental, redactions, lies, etc. is the fact that God understands, accepts and overlooks all of mankind's alleged 'sins'
To the most miserable, lost, hateful and self-hating criminal rotting in a prison, I would hope to say, as comfort, 'God understands everything, don't worry'.
Humans have been programmed to believe in and fester over 'sins' and Satan -- to mankind's detriment, in my opinion. Keeps the churches in business of course and swells their obscene coffers
but the truth is, in my belief, that God indeed understands everything and everyone
Physical death and acceptance is the birthright of every human. A removal from the thou shalts and shalt nots, and all the condemnation and fear-mongering
I don't groove to the doom-saying. It's been continual through the eons. A thousand years ago, the doom-sayers claimed ' The End is Nigh'. They sold or threw away their worldly possessions and walked around in sackcloth wearing sandwich boards and moaning about The End. They claimed Christ was soon to return to carry the virtuous to Heaven. But as time wore on, they were forced to accept nope -- we got that wrong and now we have nothing but these mouldy bits of sackcloth. It was also taught and believed until relatively recently that the dead would arise from their graves and until the expected return of Christ, the dead must lie in the dirt. Compare that with more enlightened teachings and beliefs, again relatively recently, that the dead often attend their own funerals and stand amongst the mourners. In fact, that's recognised within the funeral service at many of today's Christian burials. In fact, the dead are sometimes witnessed at their burials or in the days following
it's my understanding that this more enlightened approach to physical death arose from the numerous appearances of the dead during and after WW2. So many people approached their clergy to report they'd seen, spoken with their deceased loved-ones, that something had to be done. Organised religion didn't want to do anything, but were under pressure to explain. Accordingly, the Church of England, under Archbishop Cosmo Lang, arranged to conduct research into the matter with the promise the results would be made public as soon as available. They stacked the deck, it's said. And that shouldn't surprise us. Twelve were chosen to adjudicate once results were in. Thousands of everyday folk submitted their experience of communication with their deceased loved-ones. Then the appointed judges set to work. It was lengthy. In fact, the results were not released until decades later, when it was believed that most of those who'd submitted their experience/s would be themselves deceased. But, late as it was, the report was finally released --- to zero fanfare, reportedly. It's said the committee hoped the release of the findings would scarcely be noticed as the 20th century remained busy with new wars, etc.
Interestingly, as result of the simple, forthright and sincere reports of their experiences by the great unwashed, it was the committee's finding that yes, the dead could and had communicated with the living. Ten out of the twelve stated this to be their belief, although that was not their belief when the committee was formed. Two of the twelve abstained from voting in the 'interests of balance'. I've gone to the trouble of setting all this down for those who are unaware. It was freely available online in the early, more honest days of internet. Somewhere in storage I have a hard copy of the report in question, sent from the UK
The Roman church received at least as many reports from those who'd experienced communication with the dead, but chose to ignore them. And although the Church of England sought to stack the deck against the truth of after-death communication in addition to delaying the publication of the report -- at least they had the balls to undertake investigation
Many amongst the deceased who initiated communication were servicemen/women who had killed, mutilated, tortured, etc 'the enemy'. Others of them had in turn been killed, mutilated, tortured. Many had been blown to pieces, burned alive, hacked, shot, drowned, etc. And of course, many had been civilian casualties. They appeared in bedrooms, living-rooms, gardens and even inside shops, barns and paddocks, their intention being, apparently, to assure those they'd left behind that they were fine, happy, and not to be worried about
Interestingly, the 'ghosts' of the Bible are acceptable, even revered. But the other, commonplace, everyday ghosts are said to be the work of the debil
Too much concentration on the negative in certain quarters, imo. Too much attention and 'power' given to the debil and not nearly enough to the human face of God and Christ
I'm happy with my belief in a fair-minded, decent, compassionate and humorous God. I choose to turn my face to the sun and let the shadows fall behind me. I believe the dead, regardless of their 'sins', are all accepted by God. And I believe that's the reason many of them appeared to loved-ones, to let them know that
As to cryptos --- I put them in the 97 to 99 per cent basket of things to which the vast majority are rendered ignorant, possibly for their own protection