What If Their Existence Was Acknowledged One Day? (F&B)

This is a Soap Box section of our Forum where those who hold passionate views/opinions regarding various aspects of Theology, Creation, Religion, Paranormal etc - pertaining to the Yowie can be POLITELY debated, away from our mainstream friendly Yowie / Bigfoot Discussion Board.

Be kind to each other. Our standard rules of etiquette and behaviour apply in all areas of our Forum.
Post Reply
User avatar
Brindabella Ranger
Silver Status
Posts: 138
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:40 am
Position: Flesh and Blood

What If Their Existence Was Acknowledged One Day? (F&B)

Unread post by Brindabella Ranger » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:46 am

I might be right to guess that most of us have pondered what impacts would occur should, one day, the Yowie may be accepted as real, living being. These are my thoughts. Generated for input and discussion.

Historical Recompiling

Not too long ago Neil Frost posted a recent link to a terrific ABC documentary, Enigma Man: A Stone Age Mystery based on the contemporary finds of previously unknown skeletal hominids in Southern China. Further back, Rusty2 posted a link to The Relict Hominid Inquiry, a couple of papers written by Jeff Meldrum of the Idaho State University that explored the same issue of skeletal remains of hominid remains carbon dated far more current than believed, and goes that step further, and questions whether other hominids alive today. Both examples highlighted the sensitivity of even breaching the idea of confronting conventional understanding of human history.

But the existence of Yowies would blow that out of the water. From a historical viewpoint, much of that specific chronicle would be tossed out and rewritten worldwide. The popular theory ‘Out of Africa’ might be challenged (which it already is following the finds in Asia) revealing a whole new possibility. A study would be undertaken to try and connect the current Yowie to paleontological finds in order to recreate the puzzle – as it is obviously the living descendant of a line long thought extinct. This in itself, if they were to be successful, would shed direct light on how evolution has shaped its living journey over hundreds of thousands of years. What this might do however, is confuse our own homo sapien origins; if the Yowie had not undergone much change over that expanse of time, how is it that we humans were supposedly evolved from similar creatures? Yet there is no evidence of sapiens before two hundred thousand years ago? It may only confuse the ‘missing link’ conundrum.

Religions Views

I don’t know how this may effect peoples faith or challenge religious doctrine. Therefore I won’t say too much, however the first thing I thought of was this:

When Charles Darwin first saw a great ape (an Orangutan named ‘Jenny’) he said: ‘Let man visit Ouranoutang in domestication, hear its expressive whine, see its intelligence when spoken to; as if it understands every word said - see its affection. - to those it knew. - see its passion & rage, sulkiness, & very actions of despair; ... and then let him boast of his proud pre-eminence ... Man in his arrogance thinks himself a great work, worthy the interposition of a deity. More humble and I believe true to consider him created from animals.’

As we would have a cousin not too dissimilar, it would mean we are not entirely unique as to be the ‘chosen’ species to have been created in the image of God. There’s an old saying, ‘In a horses world, God is a horse’, however I’d hope that in our current age most faiths would simply embrace the yowies, simply as a another child of the earth.

Genetic Classification

A comprehensive genetic classification based on a full construct of its DNA would set the foundations of its place in our world. The biggest answer from this would be to ascertain whether it is human. Of course even without a full decoding of it’s DNA a layman could see it belongs with the Hominidae family and within the homo genus, however not exactly Homo Sapien. But to what degree do we define this? I raise this in pursuant of our Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR).

In 10 December 1948 when the draft for the UDHR was created, a member quoted: “I perceived clearly that I was participating in a truly significant historic event in which a consensus had been reached as to the supreme value of the human person, a value that did not originate in the decision of a worldly power, but rather in the fact of existing—which gave rise to the inalienable right to live free from want and oppression and to fully develop one’s personality.”

By this definition, do the Yowie not exist as homo sentients, living free and possessing their own personality? Would they fall under the UDHR, or would an entire new universal bill of rights be written to encompass them? What sort of effort would that take?

Even today, the close genetic relationship between humans and other great apes, certain animal rights organizations, such as the ‘Great Ape Project’, argue that nonhuman great apes are persons and should be given basic human rights. Some countries have instituted a research ban to protect great apes from any kind of scientific testing.

Would they be seen as animals or humans, or something in between? The answer would define their future more than people might expect.

Domestic Issues

An immediate information dump of the Yowie (emphasizing its solitary and non-threatening nature if unprovoked) would be provided for the Australian people through social media and news broad casts, particularly for the local communities living near hot spots to ensure there would be no wide panic or lynch parties marching off into the bush.

Australia would have to immediately grant them indigenous status in this country or a species of the Australian native wildlife, depending on what definition they would fall under. Regarding the former, would they be immediately quarantined into reservations as the Aboriginals were dealt with long ago in an effort to provide cordoned land and control numbers? If there were a bill of rights for them, what and how would Australia seek to ensure those rights? Would there be efforts to try an educate them, teach them language so that their people could be represented on a cultural or even political stage?

If the latter, their numbers would reveal they are endangered. Would there be zoo’s wanting to find a place for them? If left in their habitat, would this change the classification of state forests or national parks? Would identified areas be changed to ‘no-go’ areas policed by a form of government created to protect the environment of the Yowie in pursuant of either a bill of rights or an endangered species act? Ultimately the Australian government be under enormous pressure to appear considerate and solicitous of its responsibilities to the Yowie, especially if it were reflected on a world stage.

The Future

What would follow would be a craze of searches for other undiscovered hominids possibly living in the world. The Sasquatch, Orang Pendak, the Yeti and the list goes on. In Australia, millions of dollars would be injected into their study, relentlessly seeking to identify their locations under every leaf and rock, possibly to the point of saturation. There would be a danger not only of poachers but hunters backed by international multimillion-dollar private companies bent on capturing a handful for their own purposes.

How many Yowies would be abused, mistreated and exploited in this unknown future?

I ask, are they better off being left in the shadows of ignorance?
The limits of our perceived world is constrained only by the inability to believe.

User avatar
Searcher
Long Time Contributor
Posts: 551
Joined: Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:18 pm

Re: What If Their Existence Was Acknowledged One Day? (F&B)

Unread post by Searcher » Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:07 pm

Well thought out article., Brindabella Ranger. You make a lot of good points that most will agree with. Still, with the absence of hard facts, there is much room for speculation. Who knows… the hairy man could have existed on this continent long before the aborigines came here at least 40,000 years ago. No one really knows when the indigenous Australians first arrived… it could be 60.000 years or even longer. The Yowie may have existed here since time immemorial.

It’s hard to get your head around the immense time spans when we try and understand what happened millions of years ago. Our frame of reference is definitely limited! The Earth is said to be 4.5 billion years old. For a thought experiment, try lining up 4,500 tennis balls in a row, each one representing one million years. Bit staggering, isn’t it …considering how hard it is to relate to even one million years.

As for the future, some interesting points by B.R. In the meantime, all that can be done is for investigators to continue to work hard and perhaps get lucky by coming up with some definitive proof of the Yowie/Bigfoot/Yeti’s existence. Then and only then can it be decided on how this news will be accepted by the pubic and governments. Sure hope it happens in my lifetime!

User avatar
Brindabella Ranger
Silver Status
Posts: 138
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:40 am
Position: Flesh and Blood

Re: What If Their Existence Was Acknowledged One Day? (F&B)

Unread post by Brindabella Ranger » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:52 pm

Thanks Searcher, well indeed most of us here believe the Yowie do really exist, so pre-empting what could possibly happen in the future is realistic IMO. Still, I understand the idea of issues in that 'revealed' future seems almost as fiction as the idea of the Yowie amongst non-believers. Just another topic to throw out there.

Yes, I've read an aboriginal account stating the Yowie were here in AUS before they first arrived. Interesting stuff. And yep, our human history is truly based only on the handful of finds, logical judgement and a reasonable conclusion. 'Tis an old world out there with countless secrets hidden beneath the surface, some of which may never come to light.
The limits of our perceived world is constrained only by the inability to believe.

User avatar
Neil Frost
Gold Status - Frequent Poster
Posts: 450
Joined: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:07 pm
Position: New Member
Location: Blue Mountains, Australia

Re: What If Their Existence Was Acknowledged One Day? (F&B)

Unread post by Neil Frost » Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:40 pm

G’day Brindabella Ranger,

Like yourself, many of us have thought about the implications of our Australian hominoids being acknowledged.

Regarding the “Enigma Man: A Stone Age Mystery” documentary, I am very pleased to say that Paul Taçon visited our house more than a decade ago, where we discussed the many aspects of Fatfoot’s behaviours and traits, together with the anthropological implications. This was an extremely rare occurrence, because I spoke to many, but very few responded and even fewer made the effort to visit in person. Paul Taçon was the exception in more ways than this, as he was accepting of our extremely unusual, fringe research.

Similarly, with the late Professor Mike Morwood, whom I corresponded with via email regarding the junjudee, whom he thought might have been “hobbits” and Dr Helmut Loofs-Wissowa, who, was a student of Bernard Heuvelmans and conducted his own research in Asia, particularly in Vietnam.

Helmut was also very proactive in partitioning the United Nations on behalf of the many cryptid hominoids throughout the world, insisting that they needed protection, in advance of their outing. He was very insistent that they should be protected under the United Nations: Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Also, the late Dr Alan Thorne, was very supportive of Helmut and myself against the narrow minded assaults of the ABC Catalyst programme, by suggesting that we were “mavericks”, working outside the box! I also think that yowie research may have held some minuscule fascination for him, in the light of his unpopular Multi-Regional Hypothesis.

Domestically, I am certain that small, random elements within Government, Police, National Defense and others, are aware of these hominoids. I was reminded recently that they don’t talk to each other about most things - “blue doesn’t talk to green” (Ray).

For myself, I have often wondered what the implications would be for religion generally. Having another one or more sentient hominoids, very similar to us in appearance, could have a significant impact. Looking at things from a hominoid’s perspective, I have often thought that we must appear Godlike ourselves - with our ability to produce torch light at will; driving cars; using guns for hunting; fires and; much more.

As for the future, I hope that I will be around to find out the answers to all of these questions. DNA will ultimately tell.

Neil
a = 32 mm; b = 50.4 mm; c > 66.67 mm and < 68.11 mm IPD. From film neg degree separation 0.25˚ to 0.3˚ @ 13500 mm = IPD > 58.9 mm and < 70.7 mm. Mean IPD from average of both methods = 66.1 mm. Max pupil dilation ≈ 30 mm. Eye height ≈ 1850 mm.

User avatar
Brindabella Ranger
Silver Status
Posts: 138
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:40 am
Position: Flesh and Blood

Re: What If Their Existence Was Acknowledged One Day? (F&B)

Unread post by Brindabella Ranger » Sun Jul 06, 2014 6:25 pm

Thanks Neil,
Neil Frost wrote:Regarding the “Enigma Man: A Stone Age Mystery” documentary, I am very pleased to say that Paul Taçon visited our house more than a decade ago, where we discussed the many aspects of Fatfoot’s behaviours and traits, together with the anthropological implications. This was an extremely rare occurrence, because I spoke to many, but very few responded and even fewer made the effort to visit in person. Paul Taçon was the exception in more ways than this, as he was accepting of our extremely unusual, fringe research.
Paul Tacon came across in the documentary as a down to earth and broad thinking fellow. Not surprised he would have been open to fringe research into the Yowie - would have been fascinating to hear your conversations on the topic when he visited you. As i mentioned on your post, I very much enjoyed the documentary despite noticing they didn't lead on the probability of such relic hominids living today, which I thought they might towards the end. I guess that expectation was replaced with entertainment as the fellow with full make up of the red deer people swaggered around in Martin Place drawing astonishment from the public.
Neil Frost wrote:Helmut was also very proactive in partitioning the United Nations on behalf of the many cryptid hominoids throughout the world, insisting that they needed protection, in advance of their outing. He was very insistent that they should be protected under the United Nations: Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Also, the late Dr Alan Thorne, was very supportive of Helmut and myself against the narrow minded assaults of the ABC Catalyst programme, by suggesting that we were “mavericks”, working outside the box! I also think that yowie research may have held some minuscule fascination for him, in the light of his unpopular Multi-Regional Hypothesis.
Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. Very interesting.
Neil Frost wrote:Domestically, I am certain that small, random elements within Government, Police, National Defense and others, are aware of these hominoids. I was reminded recently that they don’t talk to each other about most things - “blue doesn’t talk to green” (Ray).
I agree and I posted that idea a while back. The biggest secret in intelligence agencies is the denial of a secret, even from other agencies.
Neil Frost wrote:As for the future, I hope that I will be around to find out the answers to all of these questions. DNA will ultimately tell.
Absolutely. I hope we're all around for the moment of truth.
The limits of our perceived world is constrained only by the inability to believe.

User avatar
Ray Doherty
Long Time Contributor
Posts: 783
Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:26 am
Position: Researcher
Facebook Profile Page: www.facebook.com/theaustralianyowieproject
Location: North Brisbane

Re: What If Their Existence Was Acknowledged One Day? (F&B)

Unread post by Ray Doherty » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:13 pm

I dont think its a matter of 'if' but rather when. When this does occur I beleive it will change lots of things, it will change Science for one, Australian Anthropology and create a new Academic area of study, Universities will get more funding. Economically it will effect logging, Mining and property development (to a lessor degree that the first two) it will change and effect the outdoor camping & hunting sector. In time I see more and more protected areas and a greater importance on environmental impact studies, a whole new area of education for kids, adults and academics alike.

I feel it will be an exciting change yet also a daunting one given that we really dont know what they are. I am in the F&B camp and I am not going to get into the other debates as previously seen here, but from my perspective they may look like and live like apes yet on the inside they may well be a new kind of human. They may be a relic Ape or Relic Human..........No one knows and nor can anyone know at this point in time for sure. (although privately i reckon someone does)

However its all a big 'what if' right now. Dont get me wrong, I beleive in the paranormal, I just dont beleive that the Hairy Man or UFO's are paranormal, to me Paranormal is ghosts and demonic possession. If your talking about cloaking and inter dimensional rifts or portals your talking quantum mechanics, maybe even temporal mechanics, maybe even harmonic phasing (all in the physics books) but in this case I beleive that Science and proper and thorough investigation, data capture and analysis is what will win the day

Cheers

Ray D
'I want to believe'

User avatar
Brindabella Ranger
Silver Status
Posts: 138
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:40 am
Position: Flesh and Blood

Re: What If Their Existence Was Acknowledged One Day? (F&B)

Unread post by Brindabella Ranger » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:21 pm

Couldn't agree with you more Ray. Thanks for your thoughts.
The limits of our perceived world is constrained only by the inability to believe.

Post Reply