Where are UFO's from?

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Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by Searcher » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:21 pm

Where are UFO’s from? In the days of my wild, impetuous youth, I once asked a ouija board that very question. The answer came in three letters… GOD! Yeah… I know, bad idea…never played with them since. However, the answer does make some sense when you think about it.

Astronomers now say there are trillions of Earth type planets in the observable universe. Billions of galaxies containing billions of stars mean countless planets to nurture life. The heavens are made of the same stuff…. it was all created in the same Big Bang. So it becomes more logical for other Earths to exist. Scientists say there are more stars in the cosmos than grains of sand on every beach on earth! Now that’s a stat. to get your head around. :D

The idea that secret government agencies are responsible for all UFO reports is, in my opinion, flawed. For starters, sightings go back 1000’s of years. 70 years ago the ‘modern’ wave of sightings began during WW2 (remember the Foo Fighters?) and increased dramatically after pilot Kenneth Arnold saw 9 discs ‘skipping’ through the air over Mt Rainier, near Washington. Aviation back in the 1940's was quite primitive. The English even built aircraft like the de Havilland Mosquito from wood! Was there anti gravity technology way before the computer age…? I really don’t believe there was.

Also, it is very difficult to completely dismiss every one of the many 1000’s of reports of alien beings in CE-3 type encounters. This is just another pointer to aliens and their spacecraft visiting earth.

Mind you, it is a little different today. Retrieval and reverse engineering of alien craft has meant some UFO’s in the sky are ours. Particularly the anti gravity black triangles called TR3B. My nephew’s wife had a good sighting of one early this year in the Pocono mountains, just a couple of hours out of New York. She said the triangle shaped aircraft was moving slowly and had a large red light in each corner.

If anyone is not inclined to believe in alien visitors, I suggest watching the Disclosure Project. Highly ranked ex military and intelligence operatives reveal to the National Press Club of America what they know about the alien connection. They are all prepared to testify on oath to Congress about what they have experienced. Interesting to say the least …and impossible to totally disregard. Unless of you are a complete and utter skeptic with tunnel vision. (no brains)

Ronald Reagan is said to have mentioned an “alien threat” at least 5 times in his speeches. Addressing the United Nations, he famously asked “I ask you…is not an alien force already among us?”. Perhaps the President knew something he could not elaborate on.

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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by sensesonfire » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:37 pm

Searcher, I can tell you that the Ouija board is not an instrument of God so if that was the answer you received it was coming directly from his adversary Satan because that's who controls the Ouija board and he is not known as the Great Deceiver for no reason. My cousins found an Ouija Board many years ago and thought they would have a bit of fun. The glass was moving around the board to spell out the answers as questions were asked. My aunty now a Christian became concerned and asked from whom these answers were coming from the glass spelt out S-A-T-A-N. She destroyed the board and burnt it.

The answer you got makes no sense because God does not answer questions through Ouija Boards. Sorry if I've turned your post into a religious viewpoint but once you mentioned Ouija Boards that was the trigger.
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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by Searcher » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:32 pm

G'day senses. Thought that might be a trigger! As said before, I was young and naive at the time. In light of what I know now, never again!
I will take your comments on board. The only reason the answer made sense to me at the time was to make me consider if there is a God, then He would be God of the entire universe and all things that dwell within it. And that would include alien beings in UFOs.

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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by Dion » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:07 pm

Where are UFO's from? IMO.... another dimension much like the Spirits conjured up on the Ouija Board.

The fact that two Ouija board experiments (part of the occult) performed by two different people got two different results one a response of ["GOD" and "Satan"], suggests there is something in religion to take note of and not dismissed as old fairy tales.

IMO we did not evolve from some kind of Fish or bacteria, nor were we created by Alien beings, a lie which will come, but we were created in an image by the most high Elohim.
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Ronald Reagan is said to have mentioned an “alien threat” at least 5 times in his speeches. Addressing the United Nations, he famously asked “I ask you…is not an alien force already among us?”. Perhaps the President knew something he could not elaborate on.


Searcher I am sure you have researched the abduction phenomenon and hybrid beings into UFO's? IMO we are not dealing with Alien Beings but the "Fallen" who have left their estate in another dimension and decided to deceive the world, either led astray or rebellious.

Again the Hybrids walk among us, and are waiting to reveal themselves.

IF you don't think there is a war going on in the skies your mistaken, between who?...... refer above^^^^^[you will find the answer here]
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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by TheBlackStump » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:17 pm

Back in the 1960s my grandparents used to use Ouija Board some evenings when I visited them with my parents. My parents/grandparents were very religious but not occultist.

I used to think it was all b/s and someone was moving the glass until one evening I was the only person with my finger on the glass and it actually moved.
Any way it really spooked me and to this day I have never again used a Ouija Board and never will in the future.

IMO UFOs are both terrestrial and extraterrestrial and there is stuff going on in our skies and has been for a long time.

IMO Aliens are a fact. Some of alian look like us and they do walk among us. IMO the Aliens and ourselves all have the same creator whoever or whatever that may be.

Interesting video below re Aliens ,UFOs etc .....

George Green: ETs/Advanced Technology, Human Clones. Part1


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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by Searcher » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:11 pm

Interesting Dion touches on the inter-dimensional aspect. More on that here. And yes, I have read a lot about abduction. Even spoke at length with a person a month ago who had a UFO experience with missing time. It started at night on a lonely Victorian country road when he suddenly saw incredibly bright lights behind his car. He doesn't remember much else except that he was back in his car feeling very disorientated and lost in an area he knew very well. At this stage he does not want to undergo regression hypnosis. Pity, as I used to do hypnotism myself. Don't do it anymore as it is now illegal. :D

And Black Stump, I'm yet to find the hour and a bit needed to watch George Green. Hope to do that soon.

It is claimed the Earth has been visited by advanced interstellar civilizations that can travel through other dimensions faster than the speed of light. They use a set of physics entirely new to scientists and energy propulsion systems that were once only dreamed up by science fiction writers.

The energy source seems to involve Quantum Entanglement which was something even the great Einstein struggled to understand. He referred to it as “spooky action at a distance”.

Ben Rich was the second director of Lockheed Skunkwork’s from 1975-1991 He was known as the ‘Father of Stealth’and was the man in charge of developing the F-117A Nighthawk fighter. Before his death, Rich made several statements about the reality of UFOs and extraterrestrials.

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do it.”

“We now have technology to take ET home. No it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars.”

“There are two types of UFOs — the ones we build and the ones ‘they’ build.”

When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, “Let me ask you. How does ESP work?” The questioner responded with, “All points in time and space are connected?” Rich then said, “That’s how it works!”


Dr Steven Greer from the Disclosure Project has also stated that craft fly here from the stars by travelling through other dimensions.

The distance between stars is so incredibly vast! I always remember reading that if the Space Shuttle were to head for the nearest star,Alpha Centauri, at it’s maximum speed of almost 28,000 kph… it would take 168,000 years to get there!!

So it becomes very obvious that if interstellar visitors are here (and they are) then they have clearly found a totally different method of travel than primitive rocket propulsion. The other factor is time. These aliens may be many thousands or even millions of years more advanced than us. Think of it this way… the universe is said to be 13.8 billion years old. That’s 13,800 million years. As a thought experiment, imagine one million years is represented by an icy pole stick. Then line up 13,800 of them in a long line. Then think how totally insignificant one million years is in the overall timescale of the cosmos. How easy it would be for civilizations to come and go along that very long line.

And remember our planet's aircraft technology dates back a mere 115 years to the Wright Brothers's first flight!

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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by Simon M » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:53 am

It's fine to say stuff about how everything's connected, etc - but none of it actually convinces me of anything. That's just my opinion.

I don't believe that aliens are visiting Earth. I've always believed UFO's to be man-made. I think it's the military testing prototype aircraft or propulsion systems, and sometimes things go wrong and people spot them at it. That's why they get so testy about the subject. It's also why these things are most often seen in remote areas, late at night. They choose remote areas to test this stuff, which makes perfect sense.

It's also worth mentioning that human cultures such as the ancient Egyptians are believed to have used hot-air balloons to have surveyed the areas where they built their cities, pyramids, etc. The same claim has been made for ancient cultures in South America (Nazca, etc). The history of air-travel might not be so brief, and we Westerners often underestimate ancient cultures in surprising ways. Just because they had engineering skills we cannot fathom or emulate doesn't mean they had help from aliens - it just means they were a whole lot more sophisticated than we like to give them credit for.

The idea that human civilisations prior to our own possessed some form of heavier-than-air flight seems more likely to me than the whole Erich von Däniken thing, which presupposes the ignorance of any culture which didn't originate in Europe. Erich von Däniken was like a modern-day Antiquarian, attempting to somehow 'explain' artefacts from cultures he knew next to nothing about. His ideas were based on other people's theories, and Carl Sagan was scathing about how "sloppy" von Däniken's thinking was. Erich von Däniken was a convicted fraud and a convicted thief long before he became a successful author (in which role the fraud he perpetrated was completely legal).

I know it's tempting to look at stuff like the Avro Car or Stealth Bomber and think "they back engineered alien craft!", but I don't buy it.

The stuff von Däniken mentions - such as the Vimana which were the literal 'Chariots of the Gods' - needn't have been of 'alien' origin.

Applying Occam's razor (yes, I know everyone hates me for doing it, but here I go again), it seems much more believable to me that human cultures in ages past figured out how to build aircraft than the 'alien vistors' hypothesis does.

If the Wright brothers could figure it out, why couldn't someone else have done so? Leonardo da Vinci put a lot of thought into the concept and it wasn't even a new idea when he was working on it five hundred years before the Wright brothers did it. The perception that the people in the 'Flying Chariots' were 'Gods' isn't hard to explain, either. Look at the Cargo Cult phenomenon for example -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

Now, if a more technologically sophisticated culture comes into contact with a less technologically sophisticated one we have evidence of what happens. You get something like a Cargo Cult. We know this has happened in the 20th Century. It's documented.

We have some documentation which suggests other cultures have been capable of some form of air travel in the distant past - if less advanced cultures encountered them, these people would likely be seen as supernatural or 'Godlike' to the less sophisticated observers. The Vimana of the ancient Vedic Texts are 'floating fortresses'...could they have been airships? It's certainly less far-fetched than alien visitation, for my money.

I'm more willing to believe that human beings in the past were much more inventive and sophisticated than we assume, than I am to think that aliens are visiting the Earth for some unknown reason.

If these aliens are so incredibly advanced, how could any human government possibly control their actions or keep their presence a secret? It doesn't make sense to me.

If they're coming here...what for? What would they want with us? I also find it unbelievable that they'd look anything like us; that only happens in Star Trek.

The 'abductee' thing is another odd one - people who describe being abducted by aliens relate experiences very similar to the ones described by people in ancient cultures who were kidnapped by the faerie folk, or Gods, demons, gnomes, trolls, etc. People describe being taken to a strange place, where time works differently, and small odd-looking men scamper about doing all sorts of strange things to them, etc. If you read accounts by people who've been taken to some supernatural realm in the distant past, then read some accounts of alien abductees, you'll see the similarities pile up. It may be some form of response to trauma (the mind creates certain scenes based on archetypal images to mask a horrifying or psychologically painful event), or it might be an undiagnosed form of psychiatric illness, or a type of hallucination triggered by a range of factors we haven't yet identified. All of this is speculation...but it's less unlikely, by far, than the idea that aliens are kidnapping people and then performing medical experiments on them and putting them back in bed without anyone noticing, etc.

All in all, it all sounds so unlikely as to be unbelievable to me. That's just my personal opinion.

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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by Shazzoir » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:44 am

On another note, who was it that postulated that aliens came to earth and 'shared' their technology with then-humankind (or neanderthal-kind etc. etc.), and that was how the quantum leaps in human advancement came about? I think he made reference to smelting of metals, the seemingly advanced ways of the Egyptians, but my memory could be leading me astray...

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Unread post by Simon M » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:41 pm

H.P. Lovecraft put the idea forward directly in his Cthulu stories beginning in the 1920's, Louis Pawles and Jacques Bergier wrote 'Dawn of the Magicians' (1960) which contained the idea of aliens visiting Earth in the distant past (and which is in the bibliography for Chariots of The Gods). There are other examples, Kurd Lasswitz, Charles Fort, Carl Sagan and I.S. Shklovski wrote about the idea in 1966 (Intelligent Life in the Universe)...the idea is an old one.

If you wanted to, you could even include the Vedic Texts themselves as being examples of early 'ancient astronaut' stories. ;)

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Unread post by Simon M » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:07 am

There was also one of von Däniken's cronies, Walter Ernsting, who wrote this one -

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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by Searcher » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:13 pm

Simon… Let’s be clear. I am after a robust discussion here and not an argument.

We are obviously in two different camps. My firm belief is that ETs are visiting Earth and you believe no alien being has ever set foot on this planet.

I want to ask few simple questions. It involves the Disclosure Project evidence. And please don’t answer like a politician. Be succinct. :D

The Disclosure Project has over 800 whistleblowers from high level defence contractors, government officials and military intelligence personnel who testify as to what they know about ET/UFO and the secrecy that surrounds it. There are 61 recorded testimonials by a wide variety of military and government witnesses with a direct knowledge of ET technology and beings. All are prepared to testify on oath to the US Congress.

They can be viewed at: http://siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/

My questions to Simon are:
(a) Have you ever taken the time to watch, listen and digest all these interviews?

(b) Do you firmly believe every single one of these expert witnesses is mistaken or just deluded?

(c) How do you explain the giant 1 to 2 mile wide chevron shaped craft that flew slowly and with complete silence over Arizona in 1997? It was seen by up to 10,000 people including pilots, police and the State’s Governor.

Please don’t tell me this humungous spaceship was secretly built here on Earth and ‘the powers that be’ suddenly decided to put it on show!

The inescapable conclusion is if just ONE of these many interviews is genuine, then alien races are most definitely visiting us. It’s the sheer weight of numbers of the evidence that tells me ET visitors are real.

Again I ask… if I am missing something here, please tell me what it is!

If any further proof is required as to reality of alien craft and their occupants, have a read of this article that arrived recently in my inbox via Apple News.
http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/03/13-r ... -real.html

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Unread post by Simon M » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:32 pm

Okay, I'm just expressing an opinion not trying to belittle anyone else's. This will be my final post in this section of the forum.

I'm aware of the disclosure thing you've linked to but, while I haven't read all of it, I've read enough of it to think it's untrue (again, just my opinion). I've also read lots of stuff about Project Serpo, and absolutely loads of stuff about aliens, ancient astronauts, etc, since I was about eleven years old. I've read every book Erich the BS artist has ever written. Jung, Hynek, all of it. The whole box-and-dice. I've read about this subject extensively over the course of many decades. I've always found the topic of UFO's extremely interesting but I've never found it convincing.

The Military have been using this as a cover for their activities for decades - the 'alien' stuff is another layer of secrecy (in my opinion). It's a way of muddying the waters so people are loathe to speak up about anything they do see, and it gives them a way of spreading misinformation and general confusion. It's good cop/bad cop stuff, in my view. One agency says "It's all nonsense, nothing to see here" another bunch says "We'll testify that this is true", and the general public are left none the wiser (which is the whole purpose of the exercise).

Like the Yowie stuff, people are seeing something they cannot explain, properly define, or place in context with their day-to-day lives. As to the precise nature of what they're seeing...it's a matter of opinion.

No offence was meant, nor did I intend to start an argument. I was just stating an opinion, formed over many years of reading about this topic.

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Re: Where are UFO's from?

Unread post by Searcher » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:48 am

G’day again Simon,

Sorry to see you have decided to grab your bat and ball and leave this playing field.

I was only trying to stimulate a spirited discussion on specific points regarding the reality of alien visitation. I mean no disrespect and understand you are entitled to your opinions whether they are of a believer or skeptic.

No doubt our paths will cross in other sections of this amazing forum.

To lighten the mood, here’s a link to one of my favourite hit songs from the 70’s… The Carpenters with “Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft”. Love the lyrics! Listen closely and enjoy. (alien)



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