Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by Rickedwards » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:01 pm

The farcical murmurings of Melba Ketchum have been around for many years and IMO she is right up there with Todd Standing.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by sensesonfire » Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:27 pm

Whatever you may think of Dr. Melba Ketchum, you have to ask the question of all of the DNA analyses done by reputable geneticists on Bigfoot why, has there never been any results published?
I would suggest that if the results throw into disarray the evolution theories of humanity, no doubt, the information from the reports will be suppressed or destroyed forever. (detective)
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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:39 pm

I myself neither agree nor disagree with Melba Ketchum's results.

Not submitting the Genetic sequences to GenBank was a huge mistake.
Without that, no Geneticists could do follow-up studies to confirm or refute her work.
Which is important.
If the results are able to be reliably duplicated, that supports the original study.
If the results cannot be duplicated or lead to other conclusions, that tells us something else.

Personally, I believe that the Alma, Almasty, Sasquatch, Yowie, and even the Trolls of old Europe are species of Homonids.
The reason for this is because we come across tales, sometimes quite old, of cross-breeding, and hybridization.
That can only happen if they are very close to us genetically. So they are "Homo Something or other very close to us".

Of course, there are also a great many similar cryptids around the planet.
Some of those might also be closely related to us. Whereas some may be related to Gigantopithicus or something else.

We need more, carefully collected genetic samples and an accredited genetics lab to come on board to clear this all up.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by sensesonfire » Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:28 pm

folcrom wrote:
Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:39 pm
Personally, I believe that the Alma, Almasty, Sasquatch, Yowie, and even the Trolls of old Europe are species of Homonids.
The reason for this is because we come across tales, sometimes quite old, of cross-breeding, and hybridization.
That can only happen if they are very close to us genetically. So they are "Homo Something or other very close to us".
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Almost, but not quite human, the yeti and its counterparts from wild regions of the world, still exert a powerful atavistic influence on us. Is the yeti just a ghost of our imagination, or is it a real creature? A survivor from our savage ancestry? A mystery that Dr Bryan Sykes set out to unlock



Dr Bryan Sykes, Professor of Human Genetics at the University of Oxford, set out to collect and test Yeti hair samples to find out which species they came from. In particular, he analysed hairs from two unknown animals, one found in the Western Himalayan region of Ladakh and the other from Bhutan, 800 miles east.

After subjecting the hairs to the most sophisticated DNA tests available and comparing the results to other animals genomes stored on the GenBank database, Professor Sykes found that he had a 100% match with a sample from an ancient polar bear jawbone found in Svalbard, Norway that dates back at least 40,000 years – and probably around 120,000 years ago – a time when the polar bear and closely related brown bear were separating as different species.

Of the various explanations, Professor Sykes believes that the most likely outcome is that the animals are hybrids – crosses between polar and brown bears.


It is all good the late Dr. Sykes was a Geneticist of the highest order however, more details have to be considered.


The polar bear analysis is no surprise to me as Yetis have been described as having white to mid-brown hair.
But the enigma is ''almost but not quite human''. People who have had contact with these creatures have described it as having an ape-like face but more human than ape this is the defining factor as it is the same description given to Sasquatch/Bigfoot/Yowie.

I have always believed that all of these creatures Yeti, Sasquatch/Bigfoot, Yowie, and Dogman are the result of Nephilim sexual corruption. Professor Sykes's analysis further entrenches my beliefs.


Hair Sample Structure That Resembles Both Ape and Human

Dr. Martin Duncan, the man in charge of the hair collection at the London Zoo, analyzed samples sent to him by Ivan Sanderson, found at Bluff Creek, CA. Duncan concluded that such samples could not be linked to any known animal, but did demonstrate the same characteristics and features of a large primate. Almost 10 years later, in 1968, hairs collected in central Idaho were sent to an instructor of police science at the California State College in LA. Ray Pinker determined that the hair samples did not match any known animal, and in fact, demonstrated characteristics from both human and nonhuman primates. The hairs showed many characteristics of apes like the changing of thickness and tint along their length however their scale pattern was eerily similar to humans. In 1993, another analysis of suspected Bigfoot hair (this time found in northern California) was done by Dr.Sterling Bunnell, M.D., of the California Academy of Sciences. He examined the hairs of humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans, and pygathrix to compare and contrast the specimen. He concluded that the assumed Bigfoot hair sample was closely related to the human chimpanzee-gorilla group, but was also clearly different than each of these apes in its pigmentation. These other apes show medullary streaks while the possible Bigfoot sample showed no observable medullary structure.
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So as you can see Dr. Sykes regards Yetis as a polar/brown bear hybrid but does not explain the human-like characteristics and the last study demonstrated characteristics from human and non-human primates once again Sasquatch having a very human element to them. To me, they validate the Nephilim connection.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:36 pm

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Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:28 pm
Dr Bryan Sykes, Professor of Human Genetics at the University of Oxford, set out to collect and test Yeti hair samples to find out which species they came from. In particular, he analyzed hairs from two unknown animals, one found in the Western Himalayan region of Ladakh and the other from Bhutan, 800 miles east.

After subjecting the hairs to the most sophisticated DNA tests available and comparing the results to other animals genomes stored on the GenBank database, Professor Sykes found that he had a 100% match with a sample from an ancient polar bear jawbone found in Svalbard, Norway that dates back at least 40,000 years – and probably around 120,000 years ago – a time when the polar bear and closely related brown bear were separating as different species.
I am aware of that study.
Personally, I believe there are three separate types of creatures roaming the Tibetan plateau.

1. A hybrid bear population based as you noted on Ancient Polar Bears and local Brown Bears.
2. Around the Nepal and Bhutan regions, a relic hominid population possibly of Denisovan heritage.
3. Further north in Tibet and toward Mongolia, a cryptid population of Almasti.

The DNA of the latter two is yet to be located and cleanly collected.
The creatures noted in points 2 and 3, could very well both be relic Denisovan populations.

Just my opinion.

As we are based in Australia, we should be concentrating on locating and cleanly obtaining DNA of Australian cryptids,
whilst also collaborating with overseas researchers. Perhaps even traveling overseas to help out where necessary.

So from my perspective, that would be Yowies, Junjardy, etc., and of course the Bunyip and
possible relic populations of Megalania Prisca and Thylacoleo Carnifex.
There are places relatively close to Melbourne where some of these have been sighted over the years.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:49 am

Dear folcrom,

even a veterinarian can do genetic research if he has trained himself. After all, he has a scientific education and how much he learns depends on his commitment. According to my information, Melba Ketchum even had the samples examined by other institutes and they first confirmed their results. But that's not the point now. I think the excitement is there because scientific frontiers have been reached in the study of interdimensional beings. I have my own theory on this. Science only knows the material foundations of life, not the spiritual ones. Shamans of various tribal cultures are further here. They trust their experiences with the spirit world beyond. Now there are also beings who are border crossers between the two worlds and can transfer themselves into one world as well as into the other. They are as real in one world as in the other and these are beings like Bigfoot, Dogman, Mothman, which we call cryptids. No matter how hard we try to research them, or to catch them. They will always elude us.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Wed Aug 30, 2023 1:56 pm

Even a veterinarian can do genetic research if he has trained himself.
That may be so, but it does take around ten years of formal training for someone to work in the field as a professional geneticist.
It is more likely that Melba Ketchum owns the lad and has hired employees doing the snot work.
According to my information, Melba Ketchum even had the samples examined by other institutes and they first confirmed their results.
Do those same "other institutes" still stand by her results?
A lot of what I'm seeing is geneticists saying that her conclusions aren't logical and more likely due to contamination.
Do we know how Melba received her original samples? How were they collected?
Most average people would not know how to collect samples without contaminating them.
I think the excitement is there because scientific frontiers have been reached in the study of interdimensional beings.


Personally, I don't follow the interdimensional beings concept.
There are too many stories where Cryptid Homids have been captured and killed by Humans.
So in those cases, stepping from one dimension to another did not serve them terribly well.

One involved a German SS Officer who was brought a spy for interrogation A spy who was hairy, naked, and sweating in a cold room, i.e. an Alma.
The SS Officer is said to have decided the "spy" was not Human and indeed a "subhuman".
Not sure what happened after, but they probably took him out and shot him. That was a Natzi thing to do back then.

Another involved Russian soldiers, not sure where exactly, east of the Urals I think from memory, who caught and shot a "wild man", another Alma.

Then there was another story about Chinese soldiers shooting and killing an Almasti on the Tibetan plateau and I think another story about Chinese soldiers killing a Yeren in South East China. Shoot first as questions later? WTF?

Then of course there were the Vietnam War Rock Apes, i.e. Người Rừng. Both the US and Vietcong troops had a go at shooting those when they had rocks hurled at them.

If anyone has links to any of these it would be a great idea to collate and store them in some place for future reference.

Anyway, clearly not all of these cryptids can be interdimensional beings, assuming any of them are.
No matter how hard we try to research them or to catch them. They will always elude us.
There are even two stories from North America where Sasquatch has been shot and killed by hunters.

One was from Canada (in the 1940s?) in Manitoba, where the hunter thought he had shot a moose, which turned out to be a Sasquatch.
Apparently, it looked way too Human and the Hunter thought he be done for murder at worst, or hunting moose outside of season at best.
So he didn't talk about it until 30 or maybe 40 years later. He gave a typical Sasquatch type of description.
I have seen 3 different versions of this particular story.

The other was from Texas. Similar deal. A hunter is out in the back woods doing his thing.
He shoots a deer and tracks it to where it dropped only to find 3 creatures had got there first. They turned to the hunter and moved in his direction
The Hunter shot the closest one through the eye and killed it. The other two quickly fled.
This one was described as being more like a Neandertal and again the hunter thought he'd be done for murder and did not speak of it for decades.

So until we get cleanly collected DNA samples, tested and studied in an accredited lab whose work is of the highest quality, we can't really make an assumption about what these cryptids are or are not.

Everything we think we know is real just speculation.

For anyone in the Melbourne area, there are a least 3 hotspots for Yowies to the east within a 1 and 3-hour drive away.

The closest one, Bunyip State Park, has had sightings of Yowies and even 12-foot Goannas.
Some of the farmers around Tonimbuck say they get even bigger.
A truck driver friend of mine, Len, delivered steel in that area at one time.
He said he saw a goanna sunning itself on the road. It was lying from one side to the other and easily 12 feet long.
That's more than twice the size you might expect for a goanna and bigger than a Komodo Dragon.

Three places that are definately worth investigating for the purposes of photographing possible cryptids and collecting any possible DNA samples.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:40 am

Dear folcrom, I think you have to differentiate between the Bigfoot type and the Almasti type - that is, the Neanderthal type. The Almasti type in Asia appears to be extinct. At least there are no more new reports. It could actually have been a relic hominid. But how on earth is it supposed to be possible that Bigfoots in the USA are raising young in the backyards of people and you don't even have photos of them? How did Bigfoots get to New Zealand or Australia? This contradicts all our notions of evolution. The best shots are the Patterson Gimlin film from the 1960's, although now we have drones and thermal cameras. That is illogical. Tribal cultures describe these beings as shapeshifters and we should take their statements seriously as they have more experience with what we call paranormal. The question for me is how interdimensional beings came into existence. Did they acquire their abilities in the course of evolution, or were they always there - perhaps as part of a parallel evolution? This would support the Nephilim theory. By the way interdimensional beings are not ghosts, so they can be killed.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:53 am

I think you have to differentiate between the Bigfoot type and the Almasti type - that is, the Neanderthal type. The Almasti type in Asia appears to be extinct. At least there are no more new reports. It could actually have been a relic hominid.
Personally, I think there are far more than 2 types. Some of which are related, some of which may not be. Some for instance may be related to Gigantopithecus and others perhaps more closely related to humans, i.e. relic hominids, perhaps of various sub-species as well.
I don't think Almas and Almasti are extinct. They are probably just getting much better at keeping clear of us.
We are a danger to them. Probably their only real threat.
[But how on earth is it supposed to be possible that Bigfoots in the USA are raising young in the backyards of people and you don't even have photos of them?
If I had bigfoot breeding on my land and raising their young, I don't think I'd photograph them or even tell anyone. It would be the worst thing for them.

Until the existence of these beings is proven to the point that science accepts them as real and governments take things seriously and create laws to protect them, we are their only real threat. If you have them in or near your backyard, you protect them. That's how I see it.

I would not be surprised if the people who have land in the Bunyip State Park, (and there are a few), have that attitude as well.
I know I would.
How did Bigfoots get to New Zealand or Australia?
Australia, no problem, at least I don't see one. Our Aborigines got here okay. So I figure Yowies did too.
I would not be surprised to find out they could actually build canoes or other rudimentary watercraft.
These are obviously intelligent beings. We have no evidence of this (rudimentary boat building) as yet, but who knows?

New Zealand, yeah that is hard to explain.

I don't assume the Yowies and Bigfoot are the same species either.
We need good DNA samples to study and we should be actively looking for them.

Just how many different species of cryptid in the family Hominidae are there?
To me, that's a huge question. There could be dozens. There could be multiple species in Australia alone.
To me, that necessitates the urgency of actively seeking DNA samples to settle the issue and get legal protections in place for them.

Sometimes I wish I worked in a field where I could actually do this.
Tribal cultures describe these beings as shapeshifters and we should take their statements seriously as they have more experience with what we call paranormal. The question for me is how interdimensional beings came into existence. Did they acquire their abilities in the course of evolution, or were they always there - perhaps as part of a parallel evolution?
Being a shapeshifter does not necessarily make them "interdimensional". They may have other paranormal or other strange yet mundane abilities.
Perhaps being able to obscure themselves to our sight or mind, like a form of psychic cloaking. Now that would be cool.
Perhaps being embued with a natural expertness in blending into their environment, that surpasses our ability to easily see them.

I know the Yowies up around the Aberfeldy River crossing are very good at hiding behind trees.
At night, you hear them walking around, but you won't see them, no matter how powerful your spotlight is.
You need thermal equipment.
By the way interdimensional beings are not ghosts, so they can be killed.


I've never assumed them to be ghosts. Only, that if they are interdimensional beings, it does not always serve them well.
They sometimes do get killed by people. And that should be defined as a criminal offense under the law.

We don't have answers yet only theories that can't be tested without good DNA samples and proper studies.
Preferably studies that cannot be refuted or ignored.

Question: Does anyone on this site actively seek out DNA samples?

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:32 am

Dear folcrom,
you hit the point. Although there are more than enough credible eyewitness accounts, both good photo and DNA evidence are lacking. Why? Either they are suppressed or they don't exist because, yes, because it is very difficult for us to prove interdimensional beings.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Fri Sep 01, 2023 12:58 pm

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Why? Either they are suppressed or they don't exist because, yes, because it is very difficult for us to prove interdimensional beings.
I personally don't want to get into conspiracy theories, not that there aren't some interesting tales in that regard.
I know one story about a big cat DNA test by a NSW gov department that they said turned out to be Dingo.
Except the person who collected it, sourced it from a friend at the zoo and it was in fact a Panther scat.
So something very odd happened there. Is the NSW Gov scared of frightening the population?

As for interdimesionality, in physics, there is no agreement on other or higher dimensions.

Some Physicists will say there are an infinite number of higher dimensions, yet others will say that experimental results have thrown cold water on the case for higher dimensions. And of course for string theory to work you require at least 12 dimensions, which includes our 3 spacial dimensions.

So I prefer to work with what scientists will currently accept. When we stretch beyond that, that balk.
Although there are more than enough credible eyewitness accounts, both good photo and DNA evidence are lacking.
Two points here.
1. there are more than enough credible eyewitness accounts

Yes, there are, and yet there are also fakers in the mix making things harder.
Unfortunately, I've seen lots of photos of people in suits and now we even have AI-generated fakes.
That does not help at all.

2. both good photo and DNA evidence are lacking

Smartphones are cool, but they aren't designed for "wildlife" photography. So we get our typical "blurry" Sasquatch photos.

Better drones with better cameras could well be a game changer in the area of photographs.

The average person does not know how to collect a genetic sample without contaminating it.
And most people aren't prepared with the right equipment, even if they find something interesting that might contain DNA.

Forty years ago I was trained as a scientist, mainly in physics. Since then I've worked in IT.

I do know how to collect DNA samples without contaminating them.
It can be done cheaply with stuff bought in a two-dollar shop's craft section.

Since I've been made redundant, which happens when you're over 60 years old, I have plenty of time on my hands.
If anyone wants to try their hand at collecting DNA samples, let me know.
It will require a bit of leg work.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:25 am

dear folcrom,
I too have a scientific background, studied biology at a university institute in Vienna/Austria, where I made my first formative experiences of the limitations of our scientific understanding. Ironically, at the university institute I had experience with something called PSI forces. My supervisor, a Freemason, used practices known as Mesmeric hypnosis to bully me. I experienced the effect of biophotons on my own body, which has not been scientifically recognized to this day. I owe the fact that I was able to overcome the post-traumatic stress syndrome to a good fellow student who took me seriously. Years later, he got a job at an Australian university and ran into a Yowie while doing field research. He then suffered from the same post-traumatic stress symptoms that I suffered from the Freemason's bullying. We both knew then that the Yowie must have used the same - PSI techniques as the Freemason at the university. I didn't even know what Yowies were at the time, but I started to get interested.


As a scientifically minded person, I could put two and two together. It was clear to me that behind the physiological and chemical processes of our body there are charge shifts and thus electromagnetism, photons and light and that a bridge can be built here between natural science and what is today disparagingly called magic. The theoretical foundations in science are there, but for cultural-ideological reasons people are reluctant to interpret them in this way. And here there are Yowie beings who are far ahead of us in these techniques, in terms of their self-illuminating eyes, but also their ability to light balls produce or even turn into orbs. If you believe eyewitnesses and the film recordings, they can even hide their thermal imaging signature from us from one moment to the next. This means that they can not only fool our perception, but can actually disappear in front of technical devices such as thermal imaging cameras.
So it goes without saying that secret services try to learn from Yowies and other cryptids and are interested in keeping it secret. It is therefore perfectly understandable why Dean Harrison's research is apparently being obstructed by the Australian military, as can be read on AYR's Facebook.
It would come as a shock to the public to learn that potentially menacing beings with abilities unknown to us lurk in the outback. Our self-image would collapse like a house of cards with unforeseeable political consequences.

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If you believe eyewitnesses and the film recordings, they can even hide their thermal imaging signature from us from one moment to the next. This means that they can not only fool our perception, but can actually disappear in front of technical devices such as thermal imaging cameras.
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Hi falke62,


The TV series Expedition Bigfoot is well worth watching in its pursuit of Bigfoot/Sasquatch gathering evidence and having it scientifically analysed. With its highly credentialed crew members, they have presented some incredible research along the way.

In S3 Episode 4 - Creatures in the Trees - and S3 Episode 5 - Fresh Kills - Bryce Johnson in charge of expedition operations, meets with a retired US Army Captain who informs him not only does the army know of these creatures but also the possibility of finding research bunkers in the dense forests of the Olympic Peninsular. Bryce thought this was an opportunity too good to pass, so he called Pete Kelsey a Lidar 3-D imaging expert.

LiDAR is a mapping technology that uses laser light to measure the distance to a target surface. In a nutshell, it generates a 3D map of anything from a room to large areas of the terrain with stunning accuracy.

This image can map swathes of land and if there are any anomalies, Pete and his equipment will tell them exactly where they are revealing the invisible visible. The Lidar drone picks up three big flat surface squares in the deep forest. So off he goes in the dark and because of the latitude and longitude readings, he can navigate directly towards these flat areas of what he believes are human constructions.

In the forest, as he makes his way to his destination, he hears twigs snapping and then sees something very large run past him.
The Lidar Imager has picked up the outline of large, human-like figures walking along the treeline invisible to himself.

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Unread post by falke62 » Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:15 am

Dear sensesonfire,

the arm-foot ratio of the LIDAR images seems to be wrong. The arms are too short, the legs too long. It seems to me more a human than a Bigfoot being.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by sensesonfire » Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:19 pm

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Dear sensesonfire,

the arm-foot ratio of the LIDAR images seems to be wrong. The arms are too short, the legs too long. It seems to me more a human than a Bigfoot being.
Hi falke62,
I tend to agree with you except for the oversized head and hands. Perhaps they were wearing helmets and gloves. The other interesting factor in the first image the entity appears to be wearing boots or shoes definitely not barefoot. They did mention human activity but they couldn't believe there would be humans wandering about at that time of night in the remotest areas of the Olympic Peninsular and the fact they were invisible. So the big question is if not humans or Bigfoot what were these creatures? (detective)
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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:59 am

Dear sensesonfire,

I am very careful when interpreting the LIDAR images. I have already mentioned and you have confirmed that secret services are on the trail of the phenomenon of interdimensional beings. Maybe the LIDAR recordings are about secret service employees who use secret technologies - i.e. invisibility - to research Bigfoot. Or maybe by attaching themselves to research teams, they want to prevent Bigfoot researchers from investigating the Bigfoot phenomenon.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:25 pm

Hi falke62 and sensesonfire

I've been watching that series, Expedition Bigfoot. Quite interesting.

One thing that caught my attention though, is that they found Pan Troglodites, i.e. Chimpanzee DNA in an eDNA sample taken from under a purported Bigfoot structure in the Kentucky Appelacian Hollows. They did not mention which sub-species it was. There are quite a few.

Anyway, this is an interesting thing.
The USA has a number of issues with exotic animals that have gone feral.
Nothing to do with Bigfoot of course, but this just muddies the waters.

In 1938, someone let Rhesus macaques loose in Silver Springs Florida.

There are also feral chimpanzee populations in California and Florida.

How do chimps manage to get there? A good question.
The answer could well be carnivals and circuses in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
A carnival or circus falls on hard times. What happens to the exotic animals?
1. Sell them off to collectors
2. Sell them off to zoos
3. Let them lose
I think point 3, probably did occur.

Could the known Florida population of feral chimps have reached as far as southern Kentucky?

Again, this has nothing to do with Bigfoot. It just makes the task of proving the existence of Bigboot harder.
Feral primates muddy the waters.

I did these simple searches on the Web.

feral chimpanzees in the usa
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The chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes), also known as the common chimpanzee, robust chimpanzee, or simply "chimp", is a species of great ape originally native only to the forests and savannas of tropical Africa, but has been found in two states of the USA, California and Florida, where they have established feral populations
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feral monkeys in the usa
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Rhesus macaques have also been introduced to other areas, such as the United States, and become feral. Around the spring of 1938, a colony of rhesus macaques was released in and around Silver Springs in Florida by a tour boat operator known locally as "Colonel Tooey" to enhance his "Jungle Cruise".
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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:02 pm

Dear folcrom,
Thank you for your report about feral chimpanzees in the USA. II was not aware of it.
Given the climate, chimpanzees can probably survive in Florida. I've also seen a Bigfoot video, out of focus and in shadows as usual, which reminded me of a chimpanzee with its long arms and movements. So it's entirely possible that there was a mix-up here.
If this is true, it shows that numerically small populations - regardless of animal species - can remain undetected for a very long time.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:48 am

Hi falke62

>Thank you for your report about feral chimpanzees in the USA. I was not aware of it.

Few people are, but after reading about Rhesus macaques on Islands in the Florida swamps, I did a bit more searching.

Lots of exotic Animals have been released into the wild in the USA. Florida probably has more Burmese Pythons than Burma.
I hear that and immediately think, food source, Python steaks :) I did a lot of Hunting when I was younger.

>If this is true, it shows that numerically small populations - regardless of animal species - can remain undetected for a very long time.

These are known feral populations.

I expect, that they were probably released by Carnivals or Circuses that went bust, sometime between 1890 and 1930.
Depending on how many Chimps were hypothetically released and when they were released, the two populations could be quite numerous.
How far have they spread? That's anyone's guess.
There may be a third feral population in southern Kentucky or perhaps the Florida feral chimps have managed to spread that far.

Interestingly, I saw a picture of a Skunk Ape a few years back, taken in Florida. It looked very much like an Orang Utan.
What else is in the USA that's feral?

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Thu Sep 14, 2023 5:03 pm

Dear folcrom,
unfortunately, these new residents often displace native animals. In Austria it is the red-eared turtle that competes with the native pond turtle in the Danube floodplains near Vienna.
By the way, I also knew this photo of the orangutan-like skunk ape. So you have to be more careful when interpreting bigfoot sightings.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by Austral » Thu Sep 14, 2023 6:03 pm

Planet of the apes ? Might be true before long.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Sat Sep 16, 2023 5:08 pm

Hi Falke62
>So you have to be more careful when interpreting bigfoot sightings.
It may or may not be the same photo. And I'm not interpreting it one way or the other.

Just saying that that particular photo looked like an Orang.
Was it an escaped Orang? a feral Orang? or an Indigenous Swamp Ape that just happened to look a bit Orangish?
There is no way to know for sure, without DNA. That is literally what is needed.

We do know, however, that there are two populations of feral chimps and a population of feral rhesus macaques in the USA.

How many other feral "exotic" primate populations are out there and what they consist of, we do not know.

And as I noted before.
This muddies the water and makes the task of proving that Indigenous primate populations exist in North America harder.

Hi Austral
>Planet of the apes? Might be true before long.
Don't joke.
I saw a YouTube video where soldiers somewhere in central Africa had a chimp in their camp.
One of them gave it a machine gun and showed it how to squeeze the trigger.

The chimp did as instructed and strafed the camp with bullets.

Every one of the soldiers s#@t themselves and bolted.
The chimp on the other hand seemed to be enjoying itself.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:42 pm

Hi Falke62

Something I should note:
In the expedition bigfoot series, eDNA samples taken from Northern California came back as Orang DNA.

Now I don't think that means feral Orangs.

However, Gigantopithicus was related to Orang Utans.
So it could be that Bigfoot is related to Gigantopithicus.

Which could explain the eDNA finding and the Orangish photo.

They really need to sequence a whole Bigfoot genome.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:58 pm

Dear folcrom,

I would be happy if there was finally a breakthrough in identifying supposed Bigfoot DNA. But Orangutan is not Giganthopithecus. As far as I know, the Giganthopithecus DNA is known. So if no Gigantopithecus has been identified, it can't be one.
But I am a realist and believe that we will never see Bigfoot DNA, just as we will never see a meaningful photo of Bigfoot. Someone is making fools of us. Either Bigfoot or some secret service that doesn't want the truth to come to light. Or maybe both.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by falke62 » Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:57 am

Sorry folcrom,
that was a shot from the hip. I must correct myself. The proximity of Giganthopithecus to the orangutan was not determined via DNA, but via proteins from a fossil tooth. DNA did not survive in the hot, humid climate of the time.
So its open again whether the DNA analysis you mentioned is just evidence of an orangutan that may have escaped from captivity or is actually Bigfoot.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by folcrom » Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:32 pm

Hi falke62

I doubt it was eDNA from an escaped orang unless they stumbled over a breeding population.

The two samples came from two nests, one large, and the other small. Possibly the nests of an adult and juvenile.

If Gigantopithicus Blacki and Orang Utans are closely related, as is now believed,
(Orangs are described as Giganto's closest living relatives),
it is probably a misidentification based on the quality of the eDNA sample.

Still. It is intriguing. I wish I was out there doing what they're doing.

Cheers mate

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Unread post by themanfromglad » Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:14 pm

Did someone say, "meaningful photo of Bigfoot"? Well it just so happens that Ontario Canada's Mike Paterson has at the request of the Bigfoot that he is working with, posted their closeup mug shots while they peek over a fence. Although the two greasy black skinned hombres that he posted photos of, are not likely representative of a large percentage of the Bigfoot population, they at least represent some clans in Canada. The reason why I say this is because a friend of mine who has had hundreds of face to face interactions with the American Bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest region of USA, stated to me that they don't look like any of the Bigfoot in her clans. Now the photos are so dark that you will need to crank up either the contrast or the brightness of your screen, in order to see the details of the face. Warning, the two dudes that he has been working with, are pretty darn ugly and scary.
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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by themanfromglad » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:43 pm

The squatch detective is generally uninformed and inexperienced about the real American Bigfoot. He, like a lot of other narcissists in Bigfoot research, likes to try to discredit his competition in order to allow himself to emerge at the top of the heap and become somebody someday. There are a lot of those in the U.S.A. Although I have never met the SD, based on his perceived knowledge of the Bigfoot, in my opinion you would be making a huge mistake in discounting the work that Mike Paterson has unselfishly contributed.

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Re: Melba Ketchun: "Yes, they are genetically fabricated."

Unread post by Rusty2 » Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:47 pm

Yeah right .
Discredit the guy making the claim and never ever address the evidence .
Misdirection ?

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE
What is cognitive dissonance ?
Cognitive dissonance is the mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The unease or tension that the conflict arouses in people is relieved by one of several defensive maneuvers .

they reject, explain away, or avoid the new information
persuade themselves that no conflict really exists
reconcile the differences
or resort to any other defensive means of preserving stability or order in their conceptions of the world and of themselves . (claps hands)

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