Dogman in Australia

[Yowie bait]

Those reports of popping are pretty creepy. Sounds like something from a horror flick...or most of us older blokes getting out of bed in the morning. Usually accompanied by the odd crack
or two.

[Wolf]

Problem with the Dire Wolf as a possible 'mis-identified' Dogman is their size... they were not much bigger than the Grey Wolf. And their teeth don't match the slicing, razor sharp teeth of the Dogmen.

Thing is, there were much larger 'wolf-like' critters like the Epicyon haydeni

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and the Hyenadon.

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The Hyenadon in particular is intriguing as a candidate for the Wolf People's ancestry because its razor sharp teeth match those of witnesses to Dogmen.
Bear in mind that we evolved our earliest bipedal ancestors only about 4 million years ago (Ardipithecus ramidus) and Hyenadon 'died out' with the Oligocene Epoch 23 million years ago... that is a long time to evolve from Hyenadon to the Wolf People... far longer than it has been for us to evolve from this (23 mil years ago)...

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to this...

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"Although it lasted a "short" 11 million years, a number of major changes occurred during the Oligocene Epoch . These changes include the appearance of the first elephants with trunks, early horses, and the appearance of many grasses — plants that would produce extensive grasslands in the following epoch, the Miocene."

I propose the emergence of grasses led to an evolution of hunting technique and possibly bipedalism in these monstrous animals. Becuase of their size all they had to do was stand and they could see prey over the tops of the tall grasses. Naturally, it helped in stalking technique too and they learnt to not only stand (like bears do) but to stalk and even eventually run.
Remember, compared to us over a Not only did they have the 11 million year period of this epoch but the 23 million years since the Oligocene to evolve.
From this...

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to this...

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is not that far-fetched considering it took only 4 million years for us

[Simon M]

Wolf, ahve you ever read Whitley Strieber's novel The Wolfen? It was written years and years before his whole Communion alien abduction thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wolfen

There was a movie made, which wasn't at all faithful to the novel and which I didn't especially like. Strieber's concept is the same as the one you're detailing - highly evolved canines which live in secret, etc.

If you haven't read it, you might like it. I wish they'd make a new version of it now as special effects are obviously so much better than they were in 1981. That version used real live wolves to portray the Wolfen, but the novel makes it clear that they have fingers and are physically very different than any other type of canine.

[Wolf]

Haven't read it, but I did see the first ten to fifteen minutes of the movie in the late 80s.
It was just getting started and the power went out (rolling power strikes against Joh across the state).

I remember going to bed extremely pissed off because the movie looked like it was going to be very interesting.
Reading your wikipedia link was likewise interesting, thanks.

I wonder if Whitley Streiber was inspired by a similar dream to mine.

[Simon M]

Strieber stated many years later that his novels were all influenced by his childhood experiences of alleged alien abduction (which is what Communion is about - it's not a novel, but a kind of autobiography about what he believes are his returning memories of suppressed experiences).

Whether or not this is the case, the novel Wolfen is a great read and he's a skilled writer.

[sensesonfire]

Spine-chilling Dogman encounters in this video, one from Australia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sutKuIkHjz0. Interesting comments at 1hour 1min regarding cover ups by authorities on Dogman, they all know they exist but wont go anywhere near the subject.

[Lozza62]

No aboriginal stories speaks volumes...if they said Dogmen existed I would believe it.

[sensesonfire]

No aboriginal stories speaks volumes...if they said Dogmen existed I would believe it.

I have seen aboriginal rock art on the internet depicting a large dog/human figure much like the Egyptian deity Anubis. I should have bookmarked the site because I haven't been able to find any trace of it since. Nothing like removing evidence that you don't want anybody to see, in this day and age it goes on all the time.

[sensesonfire]

No aboriginal stories speaks volumes...if they said Dogmen existed I would believe it.

Should have added to my comment that although Dogman has been seen in Australia it has not been reported on a similar scale to the US. The United States is the world centre for cryptozoology and Dogman have been reported hundreds of times over decades and probably seen in even greater numbers but the majority of people would not report it for obvious reasons. Unlike Bigfoot which tends to be more elusive and will walk away from a human generally these creatures don't. They will not shy away from stalking or flanking humans as a predator would in pursuit of prey. Having already been suspected of killing people they are here for a reason and we will find that out in the future, that is my opinion.

[Lozza62]

The reports from the US as you say Seasonfire this phenomenon is relatively recent.In my opinion if the natives of the land don't mention them they probably don't exist considering aborigines were spread throughout the country if dogmen were here we would have heard about it.They informed early settlers about yowies why not Dogmen?

[sensesonfire]

The reports from the US as you say Seasonfire this phenomenon is relatively recent.In my opinion if the natives of the land don't mention them they probably don't exist considering aborigines were spread throughout the country if dogmen were here we would have heard about it.They informed early settlers about yowies why not Dogmen?

Hi Lozza, the few reports of Dogman in Australia I have heard to me sounded fairly legimate and I believe more will surface as time goes by. I don't think people would leave themselves open to ridicule if they have truly believed they have witnessed something very disturbing. Most of the Australian reports seem to becoming from Vic Cundiff's US program Dogman Encounters. Maybe that says something about the reluctance to report Crypto incidences in Australia.

It is much the case in the US that the Native Americans are very aware of Dogman being involved in their legend and culture. Confrontations between early American settlers right up to the present have been documented. As these creatures have existed in Europe for centuries and now it seems America I don't see any reason why Australia is any different. It maybe due to the fact that this is a more recent phenomena here as to why Aboriginals may not have any knowledge of them although I'm not convinced that they don't. .

[Wolf]

The reports from the US as you say Seasonfire this phenomenon is relatively recent.In my opinion if the natives of the land don't mention them they probably don't exist considering aborigines were spread throughout the country if dogmen were here we would have heard about it.They informed early settlers about yowies why not Dogmen?

Hi Lozza, the few reports of Dogman in Australia I have heard to me sounded fairly legimate and I believe more will surface as time goes by. I don't think people would leave themselves open to ridicule if they have truly believed they have witnessed something very disturbing. Most of the Australian reports seem to becoming from Vic Cundiff's US program Dogman Encounters. Maybe that says something about the reluctance to report Crypto incidences in Australia.

It is much the case in the US that the Native Americans are very aware of Dogman being involved in their legend and culture. Confrontations between early American settlers right up to the present have been documented. As these creatures have existed in Europe for centuries and now it seems America I don't see any reason why Australia is any different. It maybe due to the fact that this is a more recent phenomena here as to why Aboriginals may not have any knowledge of them although I'm not convinced that they don't. .

Yes, and bear in mind the Origine stories have only had a tiny portion recorded. How many 'dreamtime myths' have been lost, forgotten, or never recorded for whitey consumption?
A conservative estimate would surely be in the thousands, especially considering 70-80% of the tribes had died off without ever seeing a 'white ghost' because of the pox-ridden biological weapons (blankets) handed out to those tribes that DID meet whitey... well before whitey thought it interesting enough to record said myths.

And then who is to say we would understand the terminology if we heard it.

My sister married into an Oriigine family. She told me the other day that one of the Aunts used to call the Yowie, the 'Old Fellas'.
To any listening white fella they would have thought she was talking about the elders.

[Lozza62]

Thanks for the insight Wolf....didn't think of it that way.

[Wolf]

I summarised some of my posts from this thread and posted them as an article... https://steemit.com/bigfoot/@sasquatchs ... sil-record

While researching images for it I came across the best representation I have seen to what I was running with in my dream...

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[sensesonfire]

Many scary reports of Dogman encroaching into suburban backyards in the US. One report of an elderly man who shot one of these Dogman and his body was later found with horrific injuries hanging from a bough twelve foot up in a tree. And of course, the authorities moved in and apparently that was it, nothing happening around here people move on.

Most of these Dogman reports in the US are substantiated unlike most Yowie reports in Australia. I believe the US government has a dossier of information fast approaching their UFO reports. Let's just hope it's not coming to an Aussie backyard near you.

[sensesonfire]

AustralopithecineOz suggested on his Yowie Manifesto post
https://daverohanreid.blogspot.com.au/2 ... festo.html that he queried the Dogman phenomena

I have also noticed a veritable explosion in Facebook groups dealing with the subject of yowies, and more recently the new and doubtful phenomenon of 'dogmen'.

Hi Dave,
While I acknowledge that Dogman reports are a relatively new occurrence in Australia (although I do believe these will increase in the future) it is a somewhat different story in the United States. Reports have been coming in since 1794 predominately from the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania (north), Wisconsin, Texas, New York State, Mississippi and Louisianna. Here's a story about a group of campers attacked in New York http://weekinweird.com/2016/06/10/witne ... rk-forest/.

Whether this story is true or not who knows? but there are many stories of people being stalked or confronted by a half-wolf giant bipedal creature.
Their main objective is to install terror into humans more so than actually harming them although I have heard reports from reliable witnesses - ex-US armed services personnel that they were convinced that the Dogman had every intention to kill them when confronted.

We also have accounts where people are confused as to the identity of a Bigfoot sighting some believing it had more wolf-like features than Bigfoot.
Coming from a paranormal aspect I believe these creatures are not just physical but also supernatural and because I believe they also have the ability to shapeshift I'm starting to think that Bigfoot and Dogman may be linked.

I have my own personal beliefs as to why these creatures are revealing themselves in ever increasing numbers however if you want some convincing Dogman reports listen to Vic Cundiff's Dogman Encounters on you tube.

Cheers.

[David]

Thanks senses..

I have no idea about what is happening in America in regard to dogmen. All I know is I had heard nothing about the phenomenon in Australia until relativly recently. This I think is unusual in comparison to the rich array of reported descriptions of human like hairy men both historical and recent. That is all..

[ChrisV]

I commented on Dogman nearly 2 years ago and I still can't warm to the idea.

I still have not seen anything remotely convincing that these things are actually real?

If its an inter-dimension thing well yes then I stand corrected but what else could come walking out of that portal is even more compelling

I think I will leave it at that....

[sensesonfire]

I commented on Dogman nearly 2 years ago and I still can't warm to the idea.

I still have not seen anything remotely convincing that these things are actually real?

If its an inter-dimension thing well yes then I stand corrected but what else could come walking out of that portal is even more compelling

I think I will leave it at that....

Hi ChrisV,
''If it's an inter-dimension thing well yes then I stand corrected but what else could come walking out of that portal is even more compelling''
I'm warming to the fact that people like yourself may actually be thinking bilaterally of the possibility of a supernatural side. Field researchers and professionals have been working on the Yowie/Bigfoot enigma for decades and have come up with nothing so a normal scientific approach would be to look at other avenues but heaven forbids not the paranormal.

I'm sure many people have watched Vic Cundiff's " Dogman Encounters'' in Australia but here is the video again for those that haven't


Even the news reports are getting in on the act http://www.news.com.au/world/is-dogman- ... bf88affde9. Viewers discretion advised for facts.

[Doorway]

here is some more Australian dogman sightings :

https://dogmanencounters.com/landsborou ... encounter/



There is another Radio episode from a person in NZ which I cannot find at present

[Simon M]

I've posted this exact thing elsewhere on this forum, but the 'dog headed race' mentioned in various ancient writings is often seen by historians as a reference to the island of Madagascar. People can Google this if they're interested (or not, if they're already certain they know they're right and nothing anyone else says is of any value because they've read this one single book that told them what to think, etc).

There was an extremely large species of lemur there (now extinct), as well as the still extant ones, and it was a place known to seafarers. 'Dog headed men' might well be a description a poorly educated European from Centuries ago would use in reference to these animals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoindris

Of course, traveller's tales are often garbled in translation so the description of them as 'men' might have been inaccurate (or a deliberate exaggeration).

[sensesonfire]

You may very well be right Simon M but I believe they may also be a result of Nephilim miscegenation and I suspect that the modern day Dogman may have evolved or devolved from the Cynocephali. According to historical scripts, these creatures were keenly sought as mercenaries by warring tribes apparently fearless, savage and cannibalistic. They had the head of a dog combined with human similarities ( although as you say it could be a case of misidentification), they couldn't talk but communicated with hand signals and grunts and apparently traded with humans. They did have intellect about them.

I can very much see similarities with the Dogman of today. I guess it's another mystery that we may never really know the truth.

[Black]

The dogman is a visual representation of a person's vested tribal title. That person can seem like a dog ready to jump on you and tear your throat out when delivering either a warning or delivering a punishment.

You don't want to be on the receiving end.

[sensesonfire]

Not much to do with Dogman in Australia but an interesting Video. Real or fake? certainly has some real characteristics.















































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[sensesonfire]

New Dogman encounter episode. Dogman Encounter in Western Australia episode 208.

[sensesonfire]

[Yowie bait]

Welcome back Senses! That video is blocked for some reason?

[Yowie bait]

Ok just gotta click the link . Works fine

[sensesonfire]

Hi Yowie bait, Thanks for the welcome back. I'm not sure if those stories are true but if they are that's one hell of a scary experience. Have a problem with the second story of the father and son in Victoria confronted by a monstrous Dogman with the deer in its mouth. The father reported he and the son returned to their rooftop tent sleeping quarters after their confrontation while the wife and daughters had the camper trailer which was a short distance away.
After an experience like that, I would have assumed you all stayed together or better off get in the car and get the hell out of there.
I've got a feeling this guy Josh may be the same person that reported a Yowie encounter near Mandurah here in WA. In both videos, each reports their height at being 6ft 8'' bit of a coincidence I think.

[sensesonfire]

In the Yowie report, I lived in that town Mundijong on the signpost for 13 years.