Why Has A Body of Bigfoot Never Been Found???

[Dion]

Interesting article

Sums up many of my beliefs also.

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[Wolf]

'Why hasn't a body been found?'... short answer... they have, numerous times. Each time one is shot or otherwise killed the government steps in and covers it up for if they acknowledged the presence of Bigfoot they would be bankrupted from the resulting lawsuits of relatives of those gone missing over the decades.

[Dion]

'Why hasn't a body been found?'... short answer... they have, numerous times. Each time one is shot or otherwise killed the government steps in and covers it up for if they acknowledged the presence of Bigfoot they would be bankrupted from the resulting lawsuits of relatives of those gone missing over the decades.

And...........The evidence for this is where?

[David]

Interesting article

Sums up many of my beliefs also.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-has- ... eth-golden

I'm with you Dion. My beliefs as to what we are dealing with have changed radically over the years. I have been exploring the possibilities of the writers theme for some months. There is more to it than meets the eye. It definitely requires opening the mind further than a simple flesh and blood paradigm. That was a good read.

[Wolf]

'Why hasn't a body been found?'... short answer... they have, numerous times. Each time one is shot or otherwise killed the government steps in and covers it up for if they acknowledged the presence of Bigfoot they would be bankrupted from the resulting lawsuits of relatives of those gone missing over the decades.

And...........The evidence for this is where?

If there was evidence other than witness reports of big brother turning up to take the body, big brother would not be doing their job very well, would he?

Wes Germer of Sasquatch Chronicles has interviewed a few... one that springs to mind was a vet contracted to the US government. She was called out to an injured animal on a highway. It was so badly injured it had to be put down. Guess what... it wasn't a bear.

[Yowiechow]

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If there was evidence other than witness reports of big brother turning up to take the body, big brother would not be doing their job very well, would he?

Wes Germer of Sasquatch Chronicles has interviewed a few... one that springs to mind was a vet contracted to the US government. She was called out to an injured animal on a highway. It was so badly injured it had to be put down. Guess what... it wasn't a bear.
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To be honest I wouldn't believe Wes Germer if he told me rain was wet. However car accidents involving black bears are pretty common, it's entirely possible that some of these incidents may have involved a sasquatch.

As for why bodies are never found, the elements would make short work of a body left out in the open. It's also possible that sasquatch and other hominids secret themselves away in caves and such when severely injured or sick and die where their body is unlikely to be found.

[Dion]

As for why bodies are never found, the elements would make short work of a body left out in the open. It's also possible that sasquatch and other hominids secret themselves away in caves and such when severely injured or sick and die where their body is unlikely to be found.

Yes good possibilities for certain areas and terrain however not all places where these creatures are seen have caves, in fact sightings of these creatures go world wide these days, in areas that are particularly well strangely suburban, yet nothing...... it just doesnt make sense that the human population would not find something somewhere.

BTW welcome to the Forum

[Wolf]

To be honest I wouldn't believe Wes Germer if he told me rain was wet.

It wasn't Wes speaking. It was a vet and a very believable encounter. Can't remember which episode it was though so can't link it.

[Yowie bait]

Thats a good read Dion and he makes some good points. My mate is now heavily religious. I can talk to him about yowies as hes seen the junjarri.

He says they're fallen angels or little demons and not flesh and blood but manifestations wreaking havoc and messing with peoples heads and will show themselves to humans in all types of forms and with show themselves only with malevolent intentions. He backs it all up with passages from the bible.

I think they are flesh and blood. I havent actually touched one but am pretty definite on it. Even then, i dont doubt any of the weird " paranormal " stuff either and wouldnt be suprised if there were all sorts of weird critters ( some good and some bad) and beings we are unaware of and with abilities way beyond our comprehension.

[Simon M]

There's a fair bit of anecdotal stuff about American soldiers encountering so-called 'rock apes' in Vietnam during the war, and even stories about the U.S. Army collecting up dead ones (killed during jungle shoot-outs between American and Vietcong forces) and flying them back to America, etc. All of this is hearsay, though.

There's also the 'Minnesota Iceman' which was supposedly a Sasquatch that had been shot - it was examined by Ivan Sanderson and Bernard Heuvelmans in 1968. Both of these men (actual scientists) were convinced they'd examined a once-living creature and were excited by the possibility of having discovered a new species. The 'Iceman' that was later put on display was, according to many, a rubber replica of the original.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Iceman

[sensesonfire]

Interesting article

Sums up many of my beliefs also.

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Hi Dion,
Mine also, especially this: (((((POSSIBLE EXPLANATION)))))

By Greg May - Monsters are real. They exist and share our world. But where do they come from and what is their purpose as they simultaneously fascinate and frighten us? To find these answers we go to the Bible. Patrick Heron (The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse) and other Creationist authors point to Scriptures in the Bible (Genesis 6:7; Jude 1:7) and the Book of Enoch (VII:14) that suggest the Nephilim were involved in genetic interference – mixing bird, reptile and bovine DNA to create lizard men, fish men, goat men and dinosaurs – all of which were destroyed in the Flood. 1

The Nephilim – a race of half-human, half-demonic giants – were created when fallen angels bred with the women of earth. (Genesis 6:4) According to the Book of Enoch these fallen angels were 200 in number and gathered on Mount Hermon to set their plan in motion.2 Mount Hermon lies on the border of Syria and Lebanon in the Middle East – on the same 33.33 degree latitude line as does the site of the alleged 1947 UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico - halfway around the globe. Remember when Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden? God told Satan: “Her seed shall bruise your head and you shall bruise His heel”. (Genesis 3:15) This was the first mention – or prophecy – of the Messiah. Satan knew the promised Messiah would come from the line of Abraham so he created a race of giants to prevent the Israelites from occupying the Promised Land – but his plans were thwarted by the Flood. According to the Bible, God found favor with Noah and his family; these eight individuals were spared in order to repopulate the earth since their blood wasn’t contaminated by the DNA of the Nephilim.

After the Flood, Satan had another band of fallen angels breed with the women of earth resulting in another race of giants (the Anakim); these were killed off by the Israelites under the leadership of Joshua, but not completely (Joshua 11:21) Satan – who mocks and mimics God – created another menagerie of monsters by mixing DNA from God’s living creatures – humans and animals. Because God promised to never again destroy the earth by water, these creatures are still with us today.

They include the hairy bipeds we call ‘Bigfoot’

As everybody knows I've been shouting this from the rooftops from day one I just can't believe how anybody can ignore this then again if you don't have any Biblical beliefs I can. .

Good find Dion by the way.

[sensesonfire]

Thats a good read Dion and he makes some good points. My mate is now heavily religious. I can talk to him about yowies as hes seen the junjarri.

He says they're fallen angels or little demons and not flesh and blood but manifestations wreaking havoc and messing with peoples heads and will show themselves to humans in all types of forms and with show themselves only with malevolent intentions. He backs it all up with passages from the bible.

I think they are flesh and blood. I havent actually touched one but am pretty definite on it. Even then, i dont doubt any of the weird " paranormal " stuff either and wouldnt be suprised if there were all sorts of weird critters ( some good and some bad) and beings we are unaware of and with abilities way beyond our comprehension.

Hi Yowie, Your mate is pretty much spot on especially this: He says they're fallen angels or little demons and not flesh and blood but manifestations wreaking havoc and messing with peoples heads and will show themselves to humans in all types of forms and with show themselves only with malevolent intentions.. I agree with you on the flesh theory but I'm not sure about the blood. Your right about the abilities way beyond our comprehension all bestowed upon them by their creator.

[Dion]

Good to hear from you senses

[Yowie bait]

Thats a good read Dion and he makes some good points. My mate is now heavily religious. I can talk to him about yowies as hes seen the junjarri.

He says they're fallen angels or little demons and not flesh and blood but manifestations wreaking havoc and messing with peoples heads and will show themselves to humans in all types of forms and with show themselves only with malevolent intentions. He backs it all up with passages from the bible.

I think they are flesh and blood. I havent actually touched one but am pretty definite on it. Even then, i dont doubt any of the weird " paranormal " stuff either and wouldnt be suprised if there were all sorts of weird critters ( some good and some bad) and beings we are unaware of and with abilities way beyond our comprehension.

Hi Yowie, Your mate is pretty much spot on especially this: He says they're fallen angels or little demons and not flesh and blood but manifestations wreaking havoc and messing with peoples heads and will show themselves to humans in all types of forms and with show themselves only with malevolent intentions.. I agree with you on the flesh theory but I'm not sure about the blood. Your right about the abilities way beyond our comprehension all bestowed upon them by their creator.

Nice to see you posting Senses! . Maybe we can agree that they're made of solid matter or capable of maintaining a solid form? I have read reports of bleeding bigfoots. Could be there are a number of beings that fit the yowies description?

I have spoken to a number of christians about the yowie including a priest. The priest was most skeptical but others have an open mind to its existence.

As for the bodies. I dont know. Doubt there would be millions of them running around. A body would be a very rare find.

[sensesonfire]

Why has a body of Bigfoot or Yowie for that matter never been found? This excerpt from Ruby Lang's post from Dean Harrison's The Yowie may well have the answer: Psychic Communication. Not surprisingly, the O'Connors eventually decided the hairy giants had more in common with spirits than they did with normal animals, so Sue tried contacting the creatures mentally.Eventually, on 31 October 2000, she established a telepathic link with what purported to be their regular visitor - a female yowie.The creature conveyed that it resided in the "Black Dimension" but was a benign "being of light" which was drawn to her and her garden.It conveyed its disapproval of the word ?yowie? and seemed to say it was ?of the bunyip race?. Among other things it informed Sue it was immensely old -essentially immortal.
IMO this could very well be the case.

[Dion]

Why has a body of Bigfoot or Yowie for that matter never been found? This excerpt from Ruby Lang's post from Dean Harrison's The Yowie may well have the answer: Psychic Communication. Not surprisingly, the O'Connors eventually decided the hairy giants had more in common with spirits than they did with normal animals, so Sue tried contacting the creatures mentally.Eventually, on 31 October 2000, she established a telepathic link with what purported to be their regular visitor - a female yowie.The creature conveyed that it resided in the "Black Dimension" but was a benign "being of light" which was drawn to her and her garden.It conveyed its disapproval of the word ?yowie? and seemed to say it was ?of the bunyip race?. Among other things it informed Sue it was immensely old -essentially immortal.
IMO this could very well be the case.

Yep good post senses, the "immensely old, essentially immortal" sums up nicely why a body has never been found and ties in with some of my own beliefs that we are not dealing with a purely Flesh and Blood creature, but with something that has a high degree weirdness to them.

The nephilim story goes back a long way, but some of you may be surprised to know that some of it still goes on today, you only have to research some of the UFO phenomenon to know that.

[Yowie bait]

Why has a body of Bigfoot or Yowie for that matter never been found? This excerpt from Ruby Lang's post from Dean Harrison's The Yowie may well have the answer: Psychic Communication. Not surprisingly, the O'Connors eventually decided the hairy giants had more in common with spirits than they did with normal animals, so Sue tried contacting the creatures mentally.Eventually, on 31 October 2000, she established a telepathic link with what purported to be their regular visitor - a female yowie.The creature conveyed that it resided in the "Black Dimension" but was a benign "being of light" which was drawn to her and her garden.It conveyed its disapproval of the word ?yowie? and seemed to say it was ?of the bunyip race?. Among other things it informed Sue it was immensely old -essentially immortal.
IMO this could very well be the case.

Hey Senses. Can you please revive or link that Ruby thread. I cant find exact one to read.

Ive often thought them to be immortal but i dunno. Sounds so far fetched but as good as any theory and strangely logical to me as is the dark dimension. That one she spoke to sounded ok to me. Not really evil or anything by what it said or apparently said.. or thought?

[sensesonfire]

Why has a body of Bigfoot or Yowie for that matter never been found? This excerpt from Ruby Lang's post from Dean Harrison's The Yowie may well have the answer: Psychic Communication. Not surprisingly, the O'Connors eventually decided the hairy giants had more in common with spirits than they did with normal animals, so Sue tried contacting the creatures mentally.Eventually, on 31 October 2000, she established a telepathic link with what purported to be their regular visitor - a female yowie.The creature conveyed that it resided in the "Black Dimension" but was a benign "being of light" which was drawn to her and her garden.It conveyed its disapproval of the word ?yowie? and seemed to say it was ?of the bunyip race?. Among other things it informed Sue it was immensely old -essentially immortal.
IMO this could very well be the case.

Hey Senses. Can you please revive or link that Ruby thread. I cant find exact one to read.

Ive often thought them to be immortal but i dunno. Sounds so far fetched but as good as any theory and strangely logical to me as is the dark dimension. That one she spoke to sounded ok to me. Not really evil or anything by what it said or apparently said.. or thought?

Not sure how to link Yowie so I've revived Ruby's comment below.

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Post by Ruby Lang » Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:58 pm

Hi Guys,

Well, I have believed for some time that there is a paranormal aspect to the yowie mystery.

The native custodians of this land, the Aborigines, have referred to them as spirit beings as well as flesh and blood...and then there are those 'backward pointing feet'. Hardly the physical attribute of a flesh and blood creature - and a characteristic of faerie creatures in mythology worldwide.

Let me direct some of the more well-read members of the forum to the Myths and Monsters 2001 talk given by researcher Tony Healy (co-author of Out of the Shadows and the soon-to-be-released The Yowie File), who has also explored the paranormal dimension to the yowie in his talk "High Strangeness in Yowie Reports": Are the hairy giants flesh and blood - or are they psychic phenomena? Yowies appear to be part of a world-wide phenomenon of strikingly similar traditions of uncatchable ape-men occur in many other parts of the world.

I reproduce it here in full because I know 99.9% of people won't bother to look it up or consider any of the arguments

Ruby

"The vast majority of people who report yowie sightings sincerely believe they have encountered living, breathing animals - some kind of extremely elusive ape or giant, primitive hominid. Their eyewitness testimony is supported by footprints, tree bites and other physical evidence which proves the creatures are much more than mere hallucinations. There are, however, many other elements of the mystery which suggest it may not be an anthropological or zoological problem at all - but perhaps something a great deal weirder: some kind of psychic phenomenon.

Many yowie researchers dislike any mention of the supernatural and feel that proponents of the paranormal are attempting to solve one problem by creating another. They are concerned that people who raise the spectre - so to speak - of the paranormal will strengthen the hand of the sceptics, confuse the media and scare off those few scientists who have been courageous enough to express an interest in cryptozoology.I can understand their reactions - I had the same attitude myself for several years.

But if we reject everything about the yowie which smacks of the paranormal we will have to sweep approximately 20% of the accumulated data under the carpet. To do that would be not only unscientific - but also plain dishonest. Nothing would thrill me more than for someone to prove conclusively that yowies are physically real - but I now suspect that will never happen. After 25 years on their trail, I am strongly inclined to believe the creatures are shape-shifting phantoms which may always remain beyond human comprehension.I may be wrong ( and in fact, I hope I am ) but as Fred Beck, one of the miners who was involved in the famous 1924 bigfoot encounter, known as the Ape Canyon Incident, once said, ?It is no sin to be wrong, just as it does not make a person a saint to be right.?

(1)There are many reasons why I suspect there is something quite uncanny about the yowie. I don't have space here to discuss them all, so I will focus instead on just three major considerations:1. Elusive hairy giants are a worldwide phenomenon.Uncatchable hairy ape-men have been reported in every state and territory of Australia, in virtually every state and province of the USA and Canada, in Guatemala, Panama, Colombia,Brazil, Argentina, Russia, Nepal, China, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, NewGuinea, New Zealand, Kenya, India and even Japan.For centuries tens of thousands of armed men - aborigines, explorers, trappers, hunters, prospectors, soldiers - have roamed most of the areas concerned, wiping out whole species of large animals - and races of people - yet no museum has so much as a finger bone of a yeti to examine.

I just cannot see how giant apes could have avoided being captured, killed or clearly photographed in one or other of those areas - unless they have an avoidance technique which is way beyond our ken.Yowie and bigfoot - the terrible twins now believe that the elusive ape-men of Australia and North America are not just very similar but are, in fact, exactly the same creature. There is not space here to list all the supporting evidence but it boils down, essentially, to this: In virtually all aspects of their appearance, their behaviour and the reactions they engender in other animals, in tribal people, modern witnesses, believers and sceptics, the animals are identical. (2)There is a reason to suspect the Himalayan yeti and several other types of elusive ape-men are also part of the same phenomenon.

2. Hot Spots: The yowie/black panther/lake monster/UFO connection second major consideration is this: localities which produce hairy man reports also frequently produce reports of other strange phenomena.In the year I spent on the trail of the sasquatch I concentrated, naturally, on areas where native Americans had always believed in the hairy giants and where white people had reported sightings since the frontier days. To my surprise, I found that in virtually all of those locations people had also reported a variety of other strange, uncatchable animals. The most common of these were ?black panthers? and Loch Ness-style lake and river monsters. Several of these "hot spots" also produced a large number of UFO reports.To give just one example:?O Canada - you're so weird?Many sasquatch sightings have occurred near the village of Easterville, Manitoba, which is situated on a thin isthmus surrounded by Lake Winnipeg, Lake Winnipegosis and Cedar Lake, all of which have produced many lake monster reports.The lake monsters have been seen out of the water, on beaches or in swamps, on at least three occasions. On one occasion a sasquatch was seen wading out of Lake Winnipeg. Although mountain lions are believed not to exist at all in Manitoba, four ?black panther?sightings also occurred in the immediate area. The three different types of mystery animals were all reported within a radius of 10 miles. In North Carolina and Florida, I interviewed people whose properties had been visited by both the Bigfoot and black panthers. One witness had been fortunate enough to sight both types of animal. Here in Australia, the same pattern has emerged: many yowie ?hot spots? such as the BlueMountains and the Batemans Bay to Bega area also produce reports of several other types of strange, elusive animals. As in America, the most common of these is the ?black panther?, and, as in America, some lucky individuals have actually seen both types of creatures.

Yowies and bunyips
The unlikely link between giant ape-men and lake and river monsters is less evident in Australia than in America, but I believe it does exist.One area which has produced a plethora of yowie, black panther and bunyip reports since the1820s is the ACT and immediate environs.

(3)The UFO/Yowie Linkin North America an apparent link between Bigfoot and UFOs have been noted on many occasions. Between June 1973 and February 1974 in western Pennsylvania, there was a phenomenal outbreak of weirdness which yielded 118 bigfoots and not less than 600 UFOreports. On a dozen occasions, low flying UFOs were reported immediately before or after a Bigfoot sighting.

(4)Definite yowie/UFO connections are much rarer but they have been reported.In January 1975 people near Goolma NSW observed a UFO descend and possibly land. Over the following two weeks, there was an intense wave of yowie reports - which suddenly ceased after a second UFO was seen.

(5)Some yowie and bigfoot enthusiasts simply ignore the apparent UFO connection and others, like the irascible Rene Dahinden, love to ridicule the idea. Sometimes, however, the link is so obvious it simply can't be swept aside.Consider these two cases:(a) On 27 September 1973 two witnesses in Beaver County, Pennsylvania, told of seeing a white, hair-covered creature with red eyes ?carrying a luminescent sphere in its hand?. Other people saw a strange craft hovering over the woods into which the creature disappeared.

(6)(b) In June 1975 at Tailem Bend, SA, two groups of people saw a giant hairy ape-man with what looked like a lantern in his hand. A third group saw a huge illuminated dome-shape in the same field.

(7)Significantly, local Aborigines say the Murray River at Tailem Bend is inhabited by a bunyip known as the Moolgewanke which resembles an ape-like man ?more than ten feet tall ... long black hair, dark red eyes, large teeth and webbed hands and feet.?

(8)So at Tailem bend, we have a yowie/bunyip / UFO link. 3. High Strangeness in Yowie reports third major consideration is simply the sheer, out- and- out the weirdness of some details in some reports. Some of the weirdest details have cropped up time and again, in both Australia and overseas.

?Nameless dread?
No doubt an unexpected encounter with an 8-foot tall ape would give anyone a bit of a jolt, but some yowie witnesses - and their horses and dogs as well - become much more frightened than you would reasonably expect.In 1912 a surveyor, Charles Harper, said that when he and two assistants were approached by"a huge man-like animal" in the Currickbilly Range of south-east NSW his fierce hunting dogs retreated whining and one of his assistants fainted and ?remained unconscious for several hours.?

(9)Exactly the same thing happened near Easterville, Manitoba, in the early 1970s: a witness fainted dead away later suffered recurring nightmares and could not sleep without a loaded gun beside his bed.

(10)In 1998, at a village on the NSW south coast, a friend of mine noticed a huge hairy hominid observing her from the treeline and immediately experienced almost unbearable fear combined with the feeling that her spine was literally in the icy grip of something quite sinister.Later, on a nearby fire trail the horse she was riding stopped dead, trembled, almost crouched, and stared fixedly into the bush. Seconds later, as the woman again felt the icy fear, the horse turned and, unprompted, galloped three miles home.That story illustrates one of the strangest things about the ?nameless dread?: you don?t have to actually see, hear, or smell the hairy giants to be poleaxed by overwhelming fear.Many such reports have been noticed by North American researchers. As early as 1970 LeeTrippett of Oregon stated?He [the bigfoot] can terrorise you from the far side of a mountain.?Feeling Abominable It seems the elusive hairy giants of the Himalayas also possess the handy ability to zap other creatures telepathically.In 1983 a Scottish scientist, Bill Grant, was approaching a tiny lake on the Nepal/Tibet border when he was suddenly immobilised by overwhelming fear and a voice- that-was -not-a -voice-commanding him to go no further. Much as he struggled to do so the veteran expedition found that he simply could not take another step forward. He retreated and hours later returned to find the psychic barrier had lifted. Cautiously proceeding, he discovered a line of huge five-toed tracks along the muddy shore.

(11)There is no space to go into it here, but a number of lake monster and alien big cat witnesses have also experienced the dreaded "nameless dread."

The scent of a yowie about 10% of yowie cases the creatures have exuded a mind-bogglingly foul stench. It can be bad enough to make a person vomit and the pongy pongids seem to be able to release choking miasma at will. Usually, the smell is compared to that of rotting meat, bat droppings or a ?badly kept country dunny? but occasionally witnesses say the creatures left a distinct electrical smell ?like burnt electrical wiring?burnt bakelite?a sulphury stink?.
(12)Interestingly, in a very dramatic bigfoot/UFO case in Pennsylvania in 1973, witnesses described a strong smell of sulphur and burning rubber.

(13)Jeepers creepers weird detail which has cropped up repeatedly in America but also here is that the hairy giants' eyes are said not only to just reflect light but to glow in the dark as if lit from within.

(14)Knock knock, who's there? The polt connection As if the yowie/black panther/bunyip/UFO connection was not weird enough, three cases in our files suggest our Furry Friends might also have something in common with poltergeists.For example, in 1946, when George Nott and his family moved into a long-abandoned property near Wilcannia, they heard thumping sounds in the ceiling. Doors swung open, objects flew, and so many pebbles fell on the roof that they ?sounded like a heavy shower ofrain.? At the same time as this classic poltergeist phenomena, huge human-like tracks appeared in the yard and a large, very irate hairy ape-man began to invade the house, once trying to drag Mrs Nott outside.Not surprisingly, the family soon moved to an out-station.

(15)What's afoot? Thanks to the work of many investigators and eye-witnesses we now have a pretty good composite description of the average yowie, from the top of his head down to ankle level.After that, however, things become a lot more confusing.Over the past 150 years or so people who have observed the yowies' feet or examined tracks have often disagreed not only on the general shape of the foot but even on the number of toes.Five-toed tracks may be the most common, but three, four and even six-toed tracks have been reported by apparently reputable people, sometimes immediately after yowie sightings.

(16)The same problem arises in North America - and probably the Himalayas as well.Obviously, something is seriously amiss. Either an army of extremely ham-fisted hoaxers has been at work on two continents for 150 years or the yowie, the Sasquatch and company are, as I suspect, shapeshifters.

There is a great deal more extreme weirdness in our files but we do not have space to discuss it all here. Instead, I will conclude with one particular "high strangeness" case which is taking place right now.Out of the Blue Labyrinth Jerry and Sue O?Connor, the principal witnesses in this case, are happy to have their names used, but asked me not to reveal the exact location of their property. Suffice to say they live in the Blue Mountains to the south of the Great Western Highway, where the land immediately behind their house falls away into a vast maze of twisting, scrub-covered ravines known as the Blue Labyrinth.Since moving into the area in September 1997 the O'Connors have been regularly visited by yowies, have seen them on numerous occasions, have fed them and have communicated with them, both telepathically and by more conventional means.Many people will find the O'Connors' story difficult to accept, so I would like to emphasise here that everything they have reported - even the apparent telepathic communication - has been reported elsewhere in Australia or overseas.I find their testimony convincing not only because it has been, in effect, corroborated by similar testimony, but because I know Sue and Jerry and I trust them.For some time after the yowie activity began, Jerry, a down to earth ex-serviceman, could hardly believe it himself. "My whole life was spun on its axis", he says. "It changed my whole belief system."Sue, however, has always been interested in spiritual matters and it is just possible her open spirituality actually triggered the yowie visitations.Shortly after they moved into their house she conducted a quiet ceremony to invite the local nature spirits into their garden. Soon she and Jerry experienced strong feelings of dread and of being watched. Their screen door rattled, the power box slammed, they heard crashing sounds in the scrub and, in November 1999, heard at a seemingly point-blank range, a tremendous, terrifying roar as loud as that of a lion, yet indefinably alien - "otherworldly".They then found about 30 huge bite marks up to 7 feet above the ground on young bloodwood trees, identical to those found by Neil Frost whose house, only a couple of kilometres away, is also the focus of yowie activity.Deep grooves left by upper canines which were consistently 80 mm apart and by lower canines which were always 55 mm apart seemed to prove the bites were all made by the same individual. It was clearly hunting for grubs. At about 2 o'clock one morning in August 2000, Sue woke from a disturbing dream which was accompanied by a weird "electric" feeling, looked up at the window behind their bed and saw a huge animal staring back at her. The creature had a human-sized head which looked disproportionately small as it was set low into a pair of absolutely huge shoulders.As it was illuminated by a streetlight and a full moon, Sue could see the animal had a slim nose, a very wide mouth and a rounded clump of tan-coloured hair on top of its head.

Sue and Jerry have now experienced six similar sightings, always preceded by the strange"electric" dreams, cold chills and fear. To look through the bedroom window the creature must be over eight feet tall.It seems highly significant that the visits always occur just before or during Sue's monthly periods.For weeks they hid four infrared video surveillance cameras - loaned to them by yowie hunter Dean Harrison - at various key points around the yard. During those weeks the yowie approached only once. Choosing the only night when a narrow quadrant was not covered by the cameras, it reached the house and looked in as before.Like Neil Frost, Dean Harrison and others who have tried yowie hunting with infrared cameras, the O'Connors concluded the creatures can either detect IR light .... or read peoples'minds.On 25 October 2000, they hid a sound-activated tape recorder in a hollow stump next to a cliff over which they suspended a feed pot. They selected that particular spot because that same afternoon, in the same area, Sue had seen a hunched, hairy, tan-coloured ape-like figure running through the undergrowth at phenomenal speed. A local man, Brad Croft, had also recently seen a huge yowie in the vicinity.In the morning they found the tape had registered heavy bipedal footsteps, the sound of camouflage being pulled away, and what sounded like dextrous fingers lifting the recorder and ripping its protective plastic. The final sound was a hollow thump to the feedpot which lay empty and shattered 35 feet away.Tracks found by the O'Connors reflect the confusing pattern elsewhere: some are three-toed, some five-toed.Communication {a} Thumping. Basic communication began one night when Jerry impulsively pounded on the bedroom wall and yelled: "how are ya goin' mate?" Two nights later a tattoo of knocks came by way of reply.{b} Crossed Sticks. More recently he has interacted with the creature{s} via patterns he makes with sticks. He creates a pattern or structure and returns after a night or two to find the pattern has been thoughtfully rearranged. He feels the yowie{s} enjoy this game.{c} Psychic Communication. Not surprisingly, the O'Connors eventually decided the hairy giants had more in common with spirits than they did with normal animals, so Sue tried contacting the creatures mentally.Eventually, on 31 October 2000, she established a telepathic link with what purported to be their regular visitor - a female yowie.The creature conveyed that it resided in the "Black Dimension" but was a benign "being of light" which was drawn to her and her garden. It conveyed its disapproval of the word ?yowie? and seemed to say it was ?of the bunyip race?. Among other things it informed Sue, it was immensely old -essentially immortal.

Recently Jerry, whose family nick-name is "Jock", left food outside the bedroom window for the yowie. Shortly thereafter he felt the "electro" sensation followed by a voice in his head which said quite clearly, "thanks, Jock!"By any standards, the O'Connors' story is petty weird, so it is worth repeating that very strange detail Sue and Jerry mentioned has been reported elsewhere - right up to and including the telepathic communication - which has been mentioned frequently in America and once, memorably, by a Russian cryptozoologist. His close encounter with an almost gave rise to one of the weirdest headlines I've ever seen: " I HAD MY MIND READ BY ABOMINABLE SNOW WOMAN OF THE PAMIRS" !----------------I think most open-minded readers will acknowledge that the "high strangeness" aspects of the yowie do suggest rather strongly that Australia's hairy giants are in some way paranormal.I cheerfully admit that, as Paul Cropper sometimes says, the paranormal "explanation" is not a real explanation at all. It is certainly not a complete explanation because it doesn't tell us what the yowies actually are. I believe, however, that by indicating what the yowies are not ( i.e.ordinary flesh and blood animals) and by identifying other phenomena to which they are apparently linked (UFOs, "black panthers", poltergeists) the "high strangeness" data may at least bring us part of the way towards understanding the true nature of these baffling creatures.I'm far from the first yowie or bigfoot investigator to speculate about the paranormal. Several Americans, notably John Keel and Jon Beckjord, have been writing about it for years. As far back as the 1930s a pioneer Australian cryptozoologist, RW McKay, noticed the apparent yowie-big cat connection and referred to them as "something supernatural". "Whatever these animals are ", he wrote, "they seem to have something protecting them ..." 18Fred Beck, the last survivor of the 1924 Ape Canyon Incident, wrote in 1967 that "... we genuinely fought (the sasquatches) and were quite fearful ... but I was always conscious that we were dealing with supernatural beings, and ... the other ( men) felt the same."Something else Fred Beck said is very interesting in light of what the yowie told SueO'Connor about the "Black Dimension": the sasquatches, he said, "... are from a lower plane.When the condition and vibration are at a certain frequency, they can easily, for a time, appearing a very solid body." 19 In conclusion, I'd like to mention something I heard in the Florida Everglades from a member of the Miccosukee tribe. Their term for the bigfoot is yati wasagi , meaning "separated" or"different man"; they, too, believe the creatures can "phase in" from another dimension.One man, Bobby Tiger, said something, which, when I reflect on it now, in the troubled year of 2001, makes me a little uneasy: 'All these things are part real and part not. We're going to see more and more of them in different places. Then eventually the world will 'turn over on itself ' - and they'll phase in, while we phase out."Freaky.

Love to have heard more from Ruby but this was 2005 so a long time ago.

[Yowie bait]

Thanks Senses. Those are some amazing encounters. I think there is an interview with the blue mountains couple on youtube.

Hard to fathom that the one type of creature is responsible for all these varying accounts!

Wellymon had some similar strangness happening at his place but some "flesh and blood" stuff as well. Seems to be more common than we would expect with those working or living side by side with the yowie/ bigfoot.

[Woodenbong]

What I am writing here is a true account of farmer finding a dead yowie in 1954 in my local area
The guy was mustering sheep in a heavily wooded area in northern nsw, the farmer was accompanied by3 dogs who were in the process of herding the sheep through the scrub
For a reason unknown to the farmer the dogs took of in the opposite direction and were barking out of control, the farmer turned his horse and went to see why the dogs were barking,when he found them he found the reason it was a 4ft 6” red haired animal, very similar in statu to a small human,but covered in rusty coloured hair. The animal was dead and fearing it may have been human decided to head back to town and report the find to police.
Back in 1954 there were no roads in the area so the police road out on horses to investigate the find and apparently the officer abandoned the search and returned to town and wrote out a report stating that it was a 4ft 6” red haired Koala, I know that sounds pretty stupid, but that’s is how it went down
The farmer went and collected his brother and the went back to the body and buried it out of respect as it looked to human.
Both theses gents have passed but one of the wives still resides in my area and I have spoken to her on several occasions and continues to say that her husband who found it says it was a long haired an8mal that resembled a human
To this day I have not been able to locate that grave, but one day it will be found
This is as true as I am sitting here typing this

[themanfromglad]

In the States, the railroads run over Bigfoot that are walking straight down the tracks, usually away from the approaching train as it was told to me. Then the cowcatcher on the front of the lead engine is examined and all they find is a bloody, hairy pulp with no bones. Then the Federal cleanup crew flies in and removes the mess, and warns everyone not to talk about it. One reason that their are no bones is possibly because when the bones are in a dimensionally at rest condition that is not modified by some vibration associated with a particular dimension, that at rest dimension is both invisible and has no physical presence in man's dimension. But that is just a wild guess. You can make your own guesses.

[sensesonfire]

Sorry to crash the party but here I am again.

I watch a show called Railroads Alaska and the train driver has mentioned they keep a continual vigilance for moose, caribou, bears and bi-pedal creatures probably meaning Bigfoot.
What I find odd is that Bigfoot can travel at incredible speed; can read thoughts telepathically; know you're in their area long before you see them if at all and yet they are unable to detect a train thundering down the tracks towards them and most of these Alaskan trains are huge.
They would be able to identify the train through vibrations on the tracks it just doesn't add up.
I've too heard that a mass of bloodied pulp with no bones was observed. I've always maintained that Bigfoot have no bones and this could be another reason why a body has never been found. I'm curious as to whether they have taken blood samples to be analysed I'm sure the results would be startling.
How a Bigfoot would allow itself to be hit by a train is an enigma.

[themanfromglad]

How a Bigfoot would allow itself to be hit by a loud train, has two possible answers that I can think of. #1, The Bigfoot was committing suicide, and #2, the Bigfoot thought that he was in another dimension as the train at the time, and the train would therefore pass right through him and cause no harm.

[Woodenbong]

Sounds like totals BS, if it was the case they would have more than enough DNA to prove there existence
These animals have roamed this planet for hundreds of year, secluded from society , with odd encounter with humans. Do you really think they would be that stupid to be hit by a train.

[themanfromglad]

Of course the US Government has more than enough DNA to prove their existence. They kept all of the actual bodies as well, like from the Mt. St Helens volcanic eruption. And then of course, in the very early 60's, they held two Bigfoot separately in captivity at their top secret Lawrence Livermore National Labs. Both of them escaped by walking right out the door of the holding cell, after they convinced their captors that they had already escaped by simply remaining invisible inside of the holding cell. When I spoke to the maintenance staff in about 2004, he said that it looked like those holding cells had not been destroyed and might have been used for temporarily housing some Bigfoot. The US Government does not have to tell the public anything about what they have and what they know about Bigfoot. So the likelihood that the US Government obtained samples of blood even before DNA was studied, and they did not tell the public about it, means absolutely nothing. The Australian Government likely practices the exact same level of secrecy of what they know.

[sensesonfire]

And then of course, in the very early 60's, they held two Bigfoot separately in captivity at their top secret Lawrence Livermore National Labs. Both of them escaped by walking right out the door of the holding cell, after they convinced their captors that they had already escaped by simply remaining invisible inside of the holding cell.

Just a query themanfromglad why did they allow themselves to be captured in the first place?

[Woodenbong]

That’s correct, these animal are far smarter than people think
To capture 2 is ridiculous , just another fabrication from the yanks

[themanfromglad]

And then of course, in the very early 60's, they held two Bigfoot separately in captivity at their top secret Lawrence Livermore National Labs. Both of them escaped by walking right out the door of the holding cell, after they convinced their captors that they had already escaped by simply remaining invisible inside of the holding cell.

Just a query themanfromglad why did they allow themselves to be captured in the first place?

As it was told to me, there were Bigfoot materializing inside of the underground tunnel system at an air base in California, that were spotted on their security cameras. I then presume that they set a trap and gassed them into unconsciousness before they could vaporize out of the tunnels and escape. They only took one at a time. I have at least a dozen sources for that Bigfoot captivity study, including two employees at Lawrence Livermore National Labs. I also know that that holding cell was part Faraday cage and part bank vault, with viewing windows. In 1975, when a dangerous nuclear reactor was being constructed in Raineer, Oregon, concerned Bigfoot kept materializing inside of the control room and telepathically communicated to the engineers where they had defects like heat buildups, that they should deal with. That was told to me by a Bectel engineer who was on the design team.

[Woodenbong]

If you want to believe that rubbish that’s your prerogative, but these creatures are flesh and blood, end of story
It’s hard enough proving the existence of these animals and getting credibility in the field, when a post like that just make a joke of the research
You should be on a paranormal forum , not here where researchers and Jo blo want the right answers

[sensesonfire]

You should be on a paranormal forum , not here where researchers and Jo blo want the right answers

Hi Woodenbong,
In fairness to themanfromglad he is in the paranormal section of the forum. Much of what themanfromglad reports I concur with but there are some elements I disagree with like anyone with differing opinions.