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Cloaking?

Unread post by Thumper » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:14 pm

Has anyone here seen a yowie cloaked, or going into or out of a state of cloaking, with their own eyes?

Can you share your story?

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Re: Cloaking?

Unread post by Rusty2 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:47 pm

My apologies , moved to avoid any arguments .
This aspect is too controversial for the main forum .

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Unread post by themanfromglad » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:32 am

I have several times. They often only come into man's dimension to the extent of being a dark cloud without clearly defined edges, and then they disappear. In one experience, I was talking to a Sheriff when a Bigfoot snapped off about an 8 inch diameter tree, whereupon the tree canopy was so dense that the trunk was only able to stab itself into the ground with the tree remaining nearly vertical. The Sheriff commented that I was lucky to see a tree fall, and told him that it was most likely caused by a Bigfoot since in the instant after the initial snap occurred and before the tree trunk hit the ground, I saw a dark cloud next to the tree that quickly completely disappeared. I had just told the Sheriff that I had hoped to get into the area beyond the closed gate that he was parked in front of, that there were supposed to be a lot of Bigfoot in the area beyond the gate. And then the tree was snapped off. Pretty good timing. The tree was about 30 yards away.

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Re: Cloaking?

Unread post by Isaw1 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:53 am

Hi All,
Up until October last year I thought Yowie was an Aboriginal myth. I did nothing for a few weeks but then I started googling what it was that I saw and heard.

Its been a pretty fascinating learning curve and I’ve been thinking about some of the possibilities for cloaking that they are reported to have. Here are some hypothesis around the value and use of hair shaking that some of you might be able to work up better than I based on your professional backgrounds.

The Shiver Response.
Many eyewitnesses have reported seeing the Hairy Man vibrate their hair rapidly in up close accidental encounters. Others report hearing soft buzzing. I suspect the shiver response is able to be controlled on demand, but what purpose does it have. Here’s a few ideas
Firstly the human eye sees relatively well up to 30Hz at which point things get a bit burry. At 60Hz the human eye no longer registers the blur as moving image and so the image of the background comes through the moving object in the foreground. It’s like looking at someone through a fan. You can see who they are in relative detail. In reality though a human hand waving a meter from your face at 1/3 vigour causes image blur. If the shiver response can be turned on and off at will it would be reasonable to assume that rapid vibrating hair will also cause image blur. Image blurring isn’t cloaking, however considered in conjunction with the below mentioned, it could make it relevant.
Static Electricity. Dissimilar hair types could be a genetic adaption not just for comfort but also so as to be able to produce static electricity. If the shiver response is activated, harder hair linked to stronger follicles shake violently rubbing the surrounding hair backwards creating static electricity. Hair carrying static electricity would stand on end further blurring the outlines of the Hairy Man. Static electricity could be a supporting conduit for a different medium that is a light conductor.I’m not sure what but something?… Alternatively if hair is standing straight out, metachrosis would or could work far more efficiently.
Warming. Harder hair linked to the larger shiver follicles could also agitate the softer ‘down’ hair, fluffing it up when it’s cold creating an insulated zone. It could also be that the shiver response also produces heat. Hence, the Hairy Man hiding in snow is able to stay warm, produce their own heat by activating the shiver response and fluffing up the hair.
Rapid vibrating hair and light emission. The human range of vision is commonly accepted to be between 380Nm and 700Nm. Black light ranges from 100Nm to 400Nm, obviously most of which is outside our visual capacity. Vibration naturally produces a darker light emission, but if the hair skin and shadows were to combine so that the colour were to actually be lower than 380Nm, then there’s a possibility that we simply can’t see because it’s not able to be seen. This adaptation would obviously be an advantage in low light conditions.
The mind. What we see isn’t always what’s actually happening. ‘Image blurring’ is a classic example of us seeing something that isn’t real. If something is moving quickly, that’s exactly what it is doing. It’s easy/ier for us to stop seeing individual images and run the images together creating a blur in our mind. Other than reproduction and homeostasis our minds are designed to predict and protect. It’s what keeps us safe and feeling safe. When the image is blurry we don’t worry about it because we expect it. In the case of the Hairy Man, the image (the shiver response, or perhaps fast running) moves quickly, which is normal, but the perspective is wrong, and so something makes us feel uneasy because the predictive and protective part of our brain doesn’t feel comfortable with it there. So in the case of shivering, our minds automatically blur even further the reality that is before us, but for some, they have to deal with the reality that they can’t safely categorise the experience that their brain just logged. For some of those people they experience stress in different forms when they remember the experience.
Metachrosis (the ability of animals to change colour (for camouflage)). If this is a reality, gosh they do it quickly and well, but does their hair play any part in the efficiency of the process. I wonder on this one when they don’t have a reputation for smooth skin or live in water. From sightings they don’t appear to be particularly clean and in my own case they were hairy and matted. Though as I mentioned earlier, dead straight hair would allow clear line of sight from any direction to the skin.
The Smell. I wonder if there are skin glands that release stinky chemicals, (I’m throwing out hydrogen sulphide as a discussion starter). The shiver response is activated aerating a chemically laden discharge. Essentially it’s a pretty efficient way to get chemicals air born. Perhaps even more efficient are hollow hair fibres that release the chemical directly so it becomes airborne even faster.

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Re: Cloaking?

Unread post by sensesonfire » Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:03 pm

Isaw1 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:53 am
The Smell. I wonder if there are skin glands that release stinky chemicals, (I’m throwing out hydrogen sulphide as a discussion starter). The shiver response is activated aerating a chemically laden discharge. Essentially it’s a pretty efficient way to get chemicals air born. Perhaps even more efficient are hollow hair fibres that release the chemical directly so it becomes airborne even faster.
Hi Isaw1,
This is just a theory I have pondered in the back of my mind.

I've always suspected Bigfoot inhabit caves, not just surface caves but deep caverns below ground. I believe this is where they seek refuge. Hydrous sulphide odour emanating from Bigfoot may be acquired from the depths of the caves they descend. Not all Bigfoot emit this odour even though this gas is toxic to humans, we are not dealing with humans.
Mammoth Cave in Kentucky is the world's longest cave -system it has 600 miles of unexplored passages. Kentucky is bordering seven states, West Virginia, Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio and all have varying degrees of Bigfoot population.
It would be inconceivable to believe that these creatures have not investigated these caves over the millennia and the possible use of the caves as burial grounds for their deceased.
The television series Expedition X had an episode called "Mystery in Mammoth Cave," the scientific team investigated some strange incidences in the deepest part of the cave. Unrecognisable sounds, images of people or creatures passing by them one appearing very much like a Bigfoot.
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Re: Cloaking?

Unread post by Isaw1 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:07 pm

Hi Sensesonfire
I been thinking similar with regards to where they live, take their dead etc. I told mum what I saw at the creek and she just got annoyed at me and said “We’ll if they were real where are thew bones” !!
That’s a monster cave system. Has it been explored or is it surface scanning that showed the extent of them.
Now that’s freaky to think that they thought they saw something. I’ll look that one up. Is it YouTube?
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Re: Cloaking?

Unread post by sensesonfire » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:42 am

Isaw1 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:07 pm
Hi Sensesonfire
I been thinking similar with regards to where they live, take their dead etc. I told mum what I saw at the creek and she just got annoyed at me and said “We’ll if they were real where are thew bones” !!
That’s a monster cave system. Has it been explored or is it surface scanning that showed the extent of them.
Now that’s freaky to think that they thought they saw something. I’ll look that one up. Is it YouTube?
Gday Isaw1,
Apparently, 676 km have been explored leaving 965 km unmapped. Unfortunately YouTube these days is very restrictive so you can't get the program I watched the episode 'Mystery In Mammoth Cave' on Foxtel.
The cave system was used by the Shawnee and Cherokee tribes as habitation. One of the strange events experienced by the exploratory party while deep in the cave was voices sounding like Indian chants I was surprised they never picked up on that. The chanting was clearly heard on their audio equipment.
Mummified indigenous bodies were also discovered.

No doubt that Bigfoot from all the surrounding states of Kentucky have at some time visited this cave system and with 965 km of undiscovered caves, it could very well be a Bigfoot burial ground. Although I am contradicting myself a little here because I'm of the opinion that Bigfoot, Yowie are virtually immortal or at least live to extreme old age and that is the reason why we have no evidence of bodies. It is not just my opinion I've come across that theory more than once on this forum.

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Re: Cloaking?

Unread post by bluemountains » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:44 pm

I believe they are not "cloaking" but they are blessed with very unique hair which causes disturbances of light/refraction/reflection, so depending on the angle you are viewing them, they can appear to blend into the background of their environment. They could also "turn it on" by process of the hairs being puffed out when threatened, similar to cats/other animals (including humans, think goose bumps). This is one theory which has been discussed regarding the north american Sasquatch which obviously would be a close relative, if only in regards to the niche it fills in the environment, to our Yowies.

Watch the following video, which I give the benefit of the doubt as being genuine, as there were prints cast from the creature and follow up investigations 1 day after the recording. Anyway, take note that you see the creature as it moves, but midway through the video it stands still for a few seconds and becomes almost completely invisible to the eye until it begins moving again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFe1Ie9 ... el=palamud

The part I am talking about happens between roughly 24 seconds-28 seconds.

There are also other videos of people doing hair analysis on recovered Sasquatch hairs and finding a very unique oily hair. Some hairs also being completely clear almost like glass. IMHO if these creatures are real it would make sense that they have adapted some sort of biological stealth mode through necessity... after all evolution has gifted us things which are much more unbelievable such as cuttlefish, octopus and chameleons for example.

You hear over and over again in the sighting reports about people "suddenly seeing" a creature that was right in front of them when it makes a movement. We also know they use trees and the environment to remain hidden, this makes logical sense in my mind and feels more probable than other supernatural explanations.

Let me know your thoughts.

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Unread post by gregvalentine » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:31 pm

bluemountains wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:44 pm
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Watch the following video, which I give the benefit of the doubt as being genuine, as there were prints cast from the creature and follow up investigations 1 day after the recording. Anyway, take note that you see the creature as it moves, but midway through the video it stands still for a few seconds and becomes almost completely invisible to the eye until it begins moving again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFe1Ie9 ... el=palamud

The part I am talking about happens between roughly 24 seconds-28 seconds.
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A famous bit of video of course, and I've watched it multiple times previously. I tend to the belief that it is genuine.

With all due respect, I think it's only "invisible" because it stops behind a tree / tall bush which completely hides it. Plus of course there is the inevitable camera shake where nothing can be seen anyway.

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Re: Cloaking?

Unread post by bluemountains » Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:55 am

gregvalentine wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:31 pm
bluemountains wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:44 pm
<snip>
Watch the following video, which I give the benefit of the doubt as being genuine, as there were prints cast from the creature and follow up investigations 1 day after the recording. Anyway, take note that you see the creature as it moves, but midway through the video it stands still for a few seconds and becomes almost completely invisible to the eye until it begins moving again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFe1Ie9 ... el=palamud

The part I am talking about happens between roughly 24 seconds-28 seconds.
<snip>
A famous bit of video of course, and I've watched it multiple times previously. I tend to the belief that it is genuine.

With all due respect, I think it's only "invisible" because it stops behind a tree / tall bush which completely hides it. Plus of course there is the inevitable camera shake where nothing can be seen anyway.
I agree that there is a small fern there, but I think its still valuable to notice how well it blends into features of the background when it stands still. I am not saying it is invisible but these creatures are well adapted to both the environment and their "goal" of remaining undetected.

I know some "flesh and blood" believers who seem to discount the entire notion of camouflage because they feel it's a slippery slope into paranormal territory. I think there is logical reasons to believe the creature is both flesh and blood, while also possessing abilities for camouflage which trick the human eye into submission.

Just as any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic, any advanced biological functions beyond understanding may appear the same.

In a semi unrelated note, I really wish I could see a Yowie with my own eyes. I do believe 99% in them, but I feel like a sighting would allow me to put my life into the research and conservation (not that they need it) of these creatures/people. If I win the lotto my plan has always been to purchase as much land as possible for the soul purpose of not developing it. (respekt)

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Unread post by gregvalentine » Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:07 pm

bluemountains wrote:
Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:55 am

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I agree that there is a small fern there, but I think its still valuable to notice how well it blends into features of the background when it stands still. I am not saying it is invisible but these creatures are well adapted to both the environment and their "goal" of remaining undetected.

I know some "flesh and blood" believers who seem to discount the entire notion of camouflage because they feel it's a slippery slope into paranormal territory. I think there is logical reasons to believe the creature is both flesh and blood, while also possessing abilities for camouflage which trick the human eye into submission.

Just as any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic, any advanced biological functions beyond understanding may appear the same.

In a semi unrelated note, I really wish I could see a Yowie with my own eyes. I do believe 99% in them, but I feel like a sighting would allow me to put my life into the research and conservation (not that they need it) of these creatures/people. If I win the lotto my plan has always been to purchase as much land as possible for the soul purpose of not developing it. (respekt)
I hope I didn't give the impression I was necessarily an "always flesh n' blood" believer (though I probably one was). The evidence is there that they (or at least some of them) can "hop dimensions".

I'm also with you on the "seeing with my own eyes" (with a steady camera in tow) and also "winning Lotto".

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Unread post by sensesonfire » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:56 pm

bluemountains wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:44 pm
I believe they are not "cloaking" but they are blessed with very unique hair which causes disturbances of light/refraction/reflection, so depending on the angle you are viewing them, they can appear to blend into the background of their environment. They could also "turn it on" by process of the hairs being puffed out when threatened, similar to cats/other animals (including humans, think goose bumps). This is one theory which has been discussed regarding the north american Sasquatch which obviously would be a close relative, if only in regards to the niche it fills in the environment, to our Yowies.
Hi, bluemountains,

I like your explanation regarding cloaking and it does have certain scientific elements.
I believe these creatures are interdimensional some may use the term cloaking and IMO they are very capable of camouflaging themselves (cloaking) as well as the other alternative disappearing into another dimension.

This podcast by Sarah Bignall that Dion has drawn our attention to on The Quinkins and Turramulli the Giant Quinkin.explains it very well. https://www.buzzsprout.com/1423657/1008 ... pisode-101

Sarah is talking to a guy who came across a small yowie and a much larger creature It's possible that the smaller entity by the description was a junjudee.
the guy stated at 54:24 that this creature just disappeared right in front of him like a cloud of smoke he walked right through where the Yowie was sitting and felt no physical presence. So if it was just masking itself there would have had a sensation of something there. He also said he believed this larger Yowie could walk through walls. Other points of reference are 33:12, 51:00, 53:38, 53:59.

This entire podcast is absolutely intriguing giving us an insightful explanation of the physical and paranormal aspects of these strange cryptid creatures. :shock:
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Unread post by sensesonfire » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:06 pm

Apologies Sarah's name is Bignell. The above video does not appear so maybe this one will https://www.buzzsprout.com/1423657/1008 ... pisode-101 If this still doesn't work refer to Sarah's podcast on Dion's The Quinkins and Turramulli the Giant Quinkin. :)
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Unread post by sensesonfire » Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:22 pm

The TV Series Expedition Bigfoot to me is probably the definitive program up until now on Bigfoot. The program involves Dr Mireya Mayor (Primatologist) Russell Acord, Bryce Johnson and Ronny Le Blanc. Episode 7 ''It Knows We're Here'' deals with cloaking/masking and disappearance.
Here is a small summary of what is in the show.

Ronny Le Blanc sees a large image on his thermal imager accompanied by 3 white orbs hovering in the tree line after viewing them for some time they all simultaneously disappear.

After Mireya and Ronny hear strange whistling sounds outside their tent they step outside to investigate but see nothing but even more bizarre Mireya the next night wakes after a dream of hearing children laughing. They all agree that Bigfoot is operating outside the realms of normalcy it appears everywhere but nowhere.

Skipping towards the end of the episode Bryce Johnson secures the services of an air balloon with GPS tracking and thermal imaging which can cover a radius of 20 square miles. While the airship is tracking the area it hones in on a large thermal image given the exact coordinates Mireya and Russell set out to find it.

Ronny with the airship camera directs them to the exact location 200 yards from the image he reports saying you are right at the spot looking directly at it but they can see nothing. Although we can't prove that this was a Bigfoot we can safely assume that it was another example of their ability to mask or cloak or just simply disappear.

The balloon pinpoints another anomaly a thermal image even larger than the previous which appears to be sitting on a ridge. So the team sets off again with the co-ordinates. On their way, they stumble across a series of mysterious dilapidated structures an old abandoned truck and what appears to be an old homestead inside they discover bones and evidence of something using it as a shelter. A strong smell permeates the air and Russell notices everything has gone quiet even the wind subsides he then discovers a mysterious cross made from tree branches on the perimeter of the bush. The most shocking discovery of all was a cemetery complete with headstones not far from the house virtually in the middle of nowhere. Mireya reads the headstones which date 1895 and then suddenly realise they are all the graves of children.

She then relates to Russell the dream she had of children laughing outside her tent and how they were virtually directed to the gravesite. Ronny then states it is well known that Bigfoot are master mimickers especially the sounds of children.
They then move on approaching the thermal image from opposite sides on reaching it, it simply disappears.

Expedition Bigfoot is a well-produced series and episode 7 deals with cloaking/masking and outright disappearance. You can catch it on Foxtel if you have it.
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Unread post by sensesonfire » Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:21 pm

IMO orbs are one of the ways Bigfoot use to cloak/mask themselves. These creatures have been observed descending and ascending from orbs so I don't find it a mystery that Ronny LeBlanc focussed on a large thermal image and three white orbs hovering in the treetops and the fact that after viewing them they all simultaneously disappeared. (detective)
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Unread post by sensesonfire » Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:18 pm

I'm continuing about the TV series Expedition Bigfoot in this instance S2 E9 Paranormal Anomaly. This is a much watch series if you can access the program do so.

In this episode cloaking figures prominently even a suggested explanation by a physicist on how Bigfoot may do this.

The team are in the wilderness of the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State. Dr Mireya Mayor picks up a large heat signal on her thermal imager directly across the lake from where she is filming. After experiencing some equipment malfunction she manages to continue filming with camera video.

Directly above the image Mireya witnesses, 3 floating orbs joined by another 2 shining a very powerful spotlight across the lake to the position she sees nothing yet the heat signal is still appearing on the thermal imager. While she continues to observe the bottom half of the image fades and then vanishes into a round white light with the remaining orbs and then disappears altogether she is shocked by what she has just witnessed.

As a scientist, Dr mayor is perplexed by this as she states I am witnessing happenings that I have no scientific explanations for. Native Americans believe that Sasquatch can transform into orbs and travel between worlds.

On the other side of the wilderness Russell Acord with his cameraman experience loud noises and branches of trees breaking in close proximity but see nothing.

Later Bryce Johnson interviews a member of the local Micah tribe the guy tells Johnson that he came face to face with an eight-foot Bigfoot on the beach kneeling before him it put its hands to its face and just vanished.

Bryce Johnson's interview with Ron Morehead is fascinating Ron is asked does he think the government knows about these creatures he says yes although the government don't want the public to know don't ask the military they will tell you anything. When asked why is that? Ron says because predominantly it will throw a kink in their evolutionist theories and people don't want to believe what's outside their paradigms.

As I've said this is a fascinating series it gives us insight into genuine researchers and what they have discovered along with their search for Sasquatch.
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Unread post by sensesonfire » Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:46 am

I apologise if I'm becoming a little repetitive regarding the TV series Expedition Bigfoot this series is way superior to the alternative Finding Bigfoot.
Series 2 Episode 11 -'' Lake Fear" should be mandatory viewing for anybody interested in Bigfoot and Yowie. This episode is mind-boggling. I'm presenting a small insight for people who cannot access the series. It deals with cloaking/disappearing and is the best collection of thermal images I have seen. In my opinion, they were nearly as good as the AYR Yowie footage of April 2021. In addition to the thermal images Mareya films a large dark figure moving about the bush in front of her.

The team set out on their search and end up encountering far more than they envisaged. Russell Acord, Ronnie LeBlanc and Mareya Mayor split up and continue the search for Bigfoot.

Russell and his camera assistant come across a teepee type construction where he's convinced a Bigfoot had been recent.
He hears branches breaking and discovers a large heat signal up against a tree which soon fades Russell investigates the tree and discovers hair samples.
The next minute he hears a loud growl and experiences a mock charge all the time hearing what's happening but unable to see anything.

Believing he is on the trail of this creature he continues coming across another tree with more hair samples. Convinced they are not from a bear, elk, dear or any other known species he collects the samples which he says are the best he's encountered and moves on. He eventually stumbles upon a lake down in the gully surrounded by thick vegetation this is where he will find Bigfoot.

The team meet up at the given coordinates Acord stays at base camp while LeBlanc and Mayor patrol the perimeter of the lake from opposite sides at night. This is when Mareya alone with her cameraman pick up huge thermal images directly in front of her. The first two are then joined by another two. On her video camera, she records a huge black figure moving menacingly in the bush in front of her. Mereya believes they are being surrounded she and the camera person are terrified she calls in Russell Acord on the two way he tells them to meet up with Ronnie and head back to camp. (scared)
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