bush spirits

[Mithras]

Hi guys.

I spend a lot of my time in the bush, and do spend some time camping in some remote areas. Now some of my camps are on very old tracks, which are long forgotten, but were once used once upon a time by setller, natives australians, or explorers.

The question I have is, what kind of spirits inhabit remote bush areas.

The reason I ask this is that there is a certain forest in the central west NSW, where I spend a lot of time hunting in. It has had reports of Yowies and panthers when I research about it, but there is something wrong with this forest. It has a funny feel about it.

Sometimes I get a feeling like i'm being watched, especially in camp.

I'm not blowing my own whistle here, but I pride myself on being a good hunter and tracker. I can read sign well, and with my camo, blend into the bush and come around on my unsuspecting quarry, however, my experience in this forest keeps me asking questions about it.

I've hunted in many areas in nsw and the bush never has the feeling like I get from this forest.

any light on what I am looking for would be useful.

thanks

[Rusty2]

Hey Mithras !
If you feel like your being watched , I'd say it would be a yowie . They're pretty curious as to who's visiting in the area . You think you can hunt and blend into the surrounds . Seriously Mithras , they are the kings of camoflague , no matter how they do it . I've also heard of the "Goonge" , which are aboriginal ghosts , but I would imagine you'd be getting visitations or gettin hassled . Leave some fruit for it and make a friend .
Thats just my opinion .
Cheer's Rusty2..............

[Nikita]

Are you usually sensitive to other areas of spirit context?

Maybe the land was once sacred to Aborigines I really have no idea about their history someone on here might but I've read about some of their sacred lands having a unique vibe.

[Mithras]

Hey Mithras !
If you feel like your being watched , I'd say it would be a yowie . They're pretty curious as to who's visiting in the area . You think you can hunt and blend into the surrounds . Seriously Mithras , they are the kings of camoflague , no matter how they do it . I've also heard of the "Goonge" , which are aboriginal ghosts , but I would imagine you'd be getting visitations or gettin hassled . Leave some fruit for it and make a friend .
Thats just my opinion .
Cheer's Rusty2..............

Thanks. Just some questions

1 - how does a yowie camoflauge itself? They are not invisible are they lol. The answers I am trying to find will give me an idea of how to explain what I experienced.

2 - why fruit? I use fruit to bring in animals on the trail cameras

Are you usually sensitive to other areas of spirit context?

Not me. My grandad had the gift, confirmed and proven to my family. But i never had any sensitivity.





Now I would like to put forward a question that I know will upset some people, but I am only asking, and I am not saying below is the right thing, nor the wrong thing.

Being a hunter, and growing up in a very old european family where food was placed on the table by your own hands, I never really had a problem killing an animal. Given that there is no hard evidence of a Yowie, the only way to prove it would be to bring one back to the world, be it alive or dead.

Now I am not saying that killing one is the answer. Nor am I saying trapping one and showing the people is the answer either. but reading through the forum shows me that it would be idealistic to prove to the greater community that these things exist. Just like documenting a new species of frog or beetle.

The issue I am trying to raise, (and I stress that I would not do it, unless I was in grave danger) is that one day someone will come across a yowie and kill it. Just like some people out there that will one day bring in a big cat or etc.

What are peoples view on the above statement?

BTW, I love the tassie devil smiley

[Rusty2]

Hey Mithras !
How does a yowie camoflague itself ?.............Thats " THE " question ! There are multiple theories , because there are multiple experiences with multiple outcomes . Everyone who has seen , contacted , been in contact with or sighted one of these creatures has had a different experience and has experienced different situations .
The fruit ?............A gift , a thankyou , after all , it is their front yard your walking through , besides , It cant hurt .
As for killing one of them . Good luck . It wont happen . Why ? because they are smarter than you and I put together when it comes to bush skills and avoiding us . Once they see the rifle , and they will , its bye bye and you wont even know they were there , plus you will make a very angry enemy . If you want to kill him/her , not only will you have to live with it for the rest of your life , your gonna get into big trouble . Its against the law in australia to kill any unknown animal , being a hunter , you should already know this . If you want to kill him/her , be prepared to get your arms and legs ripped off in the process .

Rusty2............

[Nikita]

Mithras, it's a pity you never got your grandpas gift .

I don't know where you hunt but where I go looking the bush is so thick it'd be easy for a creature of many years experience to hide itself. They also know how to move swiftly and silently unless of course they want you to know they're there.

As for one being killed, good luck. Are you such a good shot that you could guarantee a one shot kill shot? If not look out not only would you have an angry Yowie after you but they have been known to have family members close at times so you may actually find yourself facing 3 or more angry yowies instead. Do you think you'd be walking out alive after that?

[andrew]

[quote="Mithras"]

Given that there is no hard evidence of a Yowie, the only way to prove it would be to bring one back to the world, be it alive or dead.

[quote]

I can't believe this is even being considered or discussed as any sort of option. This attitude of 'proof by corpse or cage' vanished a long time ago in the scientific community. There is no justification for killing one from a scientific perspective or a moral standpoint, and there is certainly no need to prove their existence to "the public" or "the journalists". The truth will out in the fullness of time. The burden we all carry is to protect and learn from them.

I am not suggesting that you would overtly do the deed, but there are some out there with IQ's only slightly bigger than their shoe size that will shoot at anything that moves. Please do not encourage them.

Rusty has the right advice - make a friend.

[Mithras]

Mithras, it's a pity you never got your grandpas gift .

Nah. Some people may want it, but not me. its in my blood so someone down the gene pool will get it one day and I can wisper c**p to them from the beyond



Andrew
I like to consider myself a ethical hunter. I only take what I need, with the only exception of culling feral animals for given reason. I've never shot at a native, and the very reason for one type of my hunting (predatory prey) is to ensure that I am participating in Conservation Hunting to protect our native wildlife. I have a soft spot for native birds

Clearly identifying a target is one of principal rules of hunting, However because there is no precedent, if one was to be shot and presented, nothing would happen to the individual.

I am not encouraging anything, and imagining myself in the situation would never pull the trigger on something like that. Some things are made to die, while others are made to live. I believe highly in the later.

From your replies, I believe you over estimate the capabilities of these such yowies. There has been several sightings of humanoids in the australian bush by hunters. I am looking for a link on a hunting forum that would be great help to you guys. One guy even got chased by one apparently. I take all stories with a pinch of salt. Being a dedicated bushman, and being able to track, read sign and even understand wildlife has given me insight into how animals and creatures live.

If I were to tell you something about hunting, which any person should adapt to his search for answers in the bush, follow some cardinal rules that might help you out

Read the wind. every animal in the bush uses the wind. I would expect it no less from a yowie

Use camouflage. I once got so close to a feeding wallaby that I slapped it when he got to close to me. he had no idea I was there. Just like a modern sniper, you must blend into your environment.

Allocate time to the bush as much as possible. Only time will be able to teach you the skills you need in the bush. I can now read sign from nearly every animal because of time spent in the bush. Their scat, their beds, their territory and the creature that made them. I now know after a few years of experience to dismiss things I would have thought were stuff unnatural

hope this helps.

[NoPolys]

Mithras;

I would be very interested in the site you mentioned. If you can find it, please PM it to me.

Thanks for your help, I want to increase my personal sightings database and hunters give great information...... unless of course it got away...

Cheers

Nopolys

[The yowie Mrx]

I like The Idear of camo. I use Desert Camoflage Its cooler on a hot day then the greens.
Any way I got some pic here from Archery Action which has a look Camoflage and shows you what animals see.

[Scott]

Hey Mithras,
found your original question interesting. Yes bush areas can be haunted. Native sacred site can be a good starting point. There are areas in the blue mountains west of Sydney where convicts used to be housed in caves while working on road gangs which are reputed to be haunted,couple of spots on the old convict trail near St Albans near Wisemans Ferry also. For true feelings of evil though you can't beat some sections of the Belango state forest. After you all stop guffawing at that one let me explain that the evil in that place was there long before Milat started using it. As far as the "gift" goes we all have the ability, its just been hammered into us that we don't. Sometimes we don't get to choose if we want it or not. Hope I've helped

[Nikita]

Hey Mithras,
found your original question interesting. Yes bush areas can be haunted. Native sacred site can be a good starting point. There are areas in the blue mountains west of Sydney where convicts used to be housed in caves while working on road gangs which are reputed to be haunted,couple of spots on the old convict trail near St Albans near Wisemans Ferry also. For true feelings of evil though you can't beat some sections of the Belango state forest. After you all stop guffawing at that one let me explain that the evil in that place was there long before Milat started using it. As far as the "gift" goes we all have the ability, its just been hammered into us that we don't. Sometimes we don't get to choose if we want it or not. Hope I've helped

I agree with the gift. I have it, unfortunately when I was really taught to use it, it was by the wrong people who also didn't bother to teach me about protecting myself,my family and my house. I ended up closing off after a real bad experience, though I still sometimes get things come through.

[Scott]

Hey Nikita,
me too. Tried to be positive about it a few times in the past but bad stuff kept happening. Had a death in the family recently and things have really changed. I've managed to keep things under control though with a bit of help from some one more versed in this kind of thing. Finding the right help makes all the difference.

[Jim Hocking]

I like The Idear of camo. I use Desert Camoflage Its cooler on a hot day then the greens.

I disagree that animals don't see colour. Most things use colour to identify food , danger and heaps of other things. My dog can pick colours, if I told her to get a particular colour ball she gets it right every time, even selecting from a box of new balls in a shop, and other than colour they are identical.
Having worked with Octopus, "the kings of camouflage" I would say that most living things can see colour.
It is humans that are blind to most things, even what they can see.

[Nikita]

Hey Nikita,
me too. Tried to be positive about it a few times in the past but bad stuff kept happening. Had a death in the family recently and things have really changed. I've managed to keep things under control though with a bit of help from some one more versed in this kind of thing. Finding the right help makes all the difference.

That is unfortunately what I was lacking, people were really helpful to show me how to open as I was already able to tell them stuff, but no one showed me how to take control or protect myself.

I'm glad you've got a good person to guide you. It will make all the difference.

[AL Pitman]

G-DAY Mithras

while you are on this site why not take a look at the Yowie forum and some of it's older threads and reports .

Iam certain that it would shed some light on the question that you proposed , at the very least it will have you looking at your surroundings whilst out hunting with a whole different view . I bet that you feel the urge to have a friend along on your next hunting expedition ! .



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