Sylvanic

[philt]

http://www.sylvanic.com/

Hey Dean,

Ever heard of this place. Sounds like the modern day lost world.

Phil

[Dean Harrison]

No I haven't seen that one. There's thousands of sites out there and I don't spend much time looking them. Enough going on in this country to keep me busy. Looks interesting.

DMH

[folcrom]

Dont know about scary. I'd say intriguing.

The description of the "ape" sounds reminicent of the Sumatran Orang Pendek. About 4 feet tall, broad shouldered, powefully built and upright walking.
Do they have "little fellas" in North America?

Then again, what does a young Sasquatch look like? Perhaps it was a young Sasquatch and where there's young, there's also the parents.

Sounds like a truely remarkable place.

Anyone know of any "hidden vales" in our own great dividing range?

I know of a couple, but they aren't so hidden as Sylvanic. The valleys I know of are simply hard to access, but unfortunately 4 wheel drives often do.

Regards

Folcrom.

[mikka]

This is a quote from the guy that owns/runs the http://www.sylvanic.com/ Web site on another forum.

Hey i have been away for the weekend to meet up with a crazy old ukranian guy that says he knows what is up in sylvanic. He claims there is a old Native medicine man that lives up there. I showed him the video and he did not know what to make of it but he thinks that medicine man keeps the rumors of the shadows of the mountains alive to keep people away. Appreantly this ukranian guy trades with this native a couple times a year. So i am going to see if i can meet up with this medicine man and see what he has to say.
This old ukranian guy says there are no shadows of the mountain, the storys and legends of sylvanic are just fairy tales. He has lived in and around that area for over 50 years and he has never seen anything out of the ordinary. But he stays out of sylvanic cause that medicine man gets crazy when he drinks.
I will come back tommorw to answer a couple of the ?s you all have been asking.

Ive got reservations about this one

[Alex]

http://www.sylvanic.com/jayIncident.htm

sounds like a typical sasquatch-killing-a-dog incident.

i'd say, there's a good chance bigfoot is there.

[folcrom]

Why does Sasquatch dislike dogs?
Because their barking is not compatable with cryptic behaiviour.

Why did dog become mans best friend?
Because it was safer around humans and better than being beaten to death by a Sasquatch.

Why do Sasquatch stay clear of Humans?
Because we hang around with noisy bloody dogs.

Ahh, its a vicious circle

Folcrom.

[Stainmaster]

i cant wait for the DNA report to come back

[Dean Harrison]

Dislikes Dogs because they give their position away..... Pain in butt for them. Dogs pick up on the Scent and hear them well prior to Humans. Then what? Bark their heads off like an Alarm Bell and/or hide crying with their tails between their legs depending on what the Yowie is putting out at the time.......

Either way, Dogs are a pain out there with us. They are noisey and jump/crashing around giving off all kinds of odours and sounds. Bad idea taking a Dog in the bush unless it is totally trained. May as well ring a bell to say we're HERE!

DMH

[philt]

Dislikes Dogs because they give their position away..... Pain in butt for them. Dogs pick up on the Scent and hear them well prior to Humans. Then what? Bark their heads off like an Alarm Bell and/or hide crying with their tails between their legs depending on what the Yowie is putting out at the time.......

DMH

Would you ever take, or considered taking one on a trip Dean?

[Dean Harrison]

NOooooo ......

Not unless a Professional Dog.

DMH

[Tish]

My dog scared me the other day, the bush walk we take is a one way track and on our way back he decided to stop go quiet and point towards the bush.
Here I am imagining all sorts of things and no escape when I saw what had got his attention, a quail.

[folcrom]

My last post was a half baked attempt at humor. Seems to have failed woefully.

Dogs and hunting, whether for a specific animal or just to procure evidence of a Yowies existance is always problematic.

The dog has to be specifically trained for the task. Its no good taking a bird dog to hunt pigs or a pig dog to hunt ducks. I'd say the same about tracking cryptids. If the dog is not specifically and professionally trained for the task, leave it at home.

Having said that, what kind of dog would be most suitable, assuming it could be trained for such. Im inclined to think a breed of "pointer" would be best. Sniff out the cryptid, but stays quiet, doesnt bark, doesnt run around chasing all and sundry, just simply points out where the cryptid is. The cryptid would perhaps not feel so threatenned by such behaivior.

Any ideas Dean?

Folcrom

[dawn]

Folcrom, I'm thinking 6 or 7 attack trained Huskies...LMAO

[steve_tracker]

i use to take my dog all the time (red nose colby)
he was pretty well trained would point, go on alert,
and low growl best thing for tracking
gotta love early warning`s .he knew when we were scared.....most dogs are to smart to just run off into the bush and chase the unknowen not like us lol .
may he rest

[Dean Harrison]

Probably a Sheppard. The only reason I say that is due to their use in the Forces. Having said that, I have heard numerous reports where the best, meanest and most well trained dogs have turned to tears in the presence of a Yowie.

DMH

[steve_tracker]

ps.
his name was ACID

[Nigel&Jeannie]

Hi All
First off all Sorry to hear about ACID :
Great Dog in the bush he was indeed ,Can remember spending some good days with Acid and yourself in the bush...
Secondly We would only go bush with a trained dog /simply because if something was to come along the last thing you and your party want to be doing is chaseing some Freaked out dog thru the bush and possibly endangering yourself and others.. :x

.

[Alex]

As Dean said, a Shepherd would be the best dog for it. They're used in the SAS. They're also one of the most obediant dogs of all time. Ever since I was little, we've always had them. If you could train it just to sniff one out & then give the general direction it was in, isn't that all you'd need?

Also, a handler for the dog would be nice too, so they can leave with the dog. It works in two ways. As the handler/dog are leaving, the yowie would be all interested in them, leaving you free to take a peek.

[krisp]

Getting back to the subject, the website in question is an obvious abet detailed, fake.

[Tish]

Just on dogs, if you're serious about training a dog I'd go with a Catahoula Leopard Hound.
They need a lot of training and a dominate owner but sound perfect for yowie hunting.

The King of the stock dog breeds, most enduring... stamina is their middle name... CATAHOULA LEOPARD STOCK DOGS outwork and outfight all other breeds of stock dogs when protecting their master, livestock, and property. They are the largest and most aggressive of the cattle dogs, bred to handle wild cattle and hogs in the roughest, most remote country. Catahoulas will also hunt coon, bear, or whatever else they are introduced to. These dogs are not good city dwellers... they need several acres to roam to be happy. A farm or ranch is really their element.

Catahoulas are bred to go and find livestock in swamps, hilly canyons, thickets or forests, or mountains. They will trail, nose to ground, but prefer to throw their heads up and "wind" their prey, taking the shortest route to find, gather up or bunch, and circle and bay the quarry until their master can reach them to take control.

[Wally]

dream on good people, dream on.
Wally

[bowhunter]

i would suggest a ridge back, these are the only dogs that have the guts to corner a fully grown male lion, they used to be used to hunt them, because once a lion is cornered the dog is so ferocious that the lion is scared into a corner. I own one and trust me, they are the only dog i know that pound for pound could match a pitbull. VERY tough dogs, purebreds have been known to be completely and i mean completely fearless.

[Wally]

Sure ridgebacks were bred to hunt lion. trouble was supply could not keep up with replacement rate.
About the only animal that could withstand a swat from a lion is another lion.
Old time African hunters such as J A Hunter used dogs and when they ran out of dogs made to order they cleaned out the dog pounds.
The dogs that did not go bush or get killed in first encounter were ensured of a short exciting life span.
Leopard hunting with dogs is an in thing in Africa, with the added spice of a real likelyhood of getting killed, and supply of dogs, the dog pound. When the bailed up leopard sees the man it will go over the dogs, same as a grizzely, to get at the man, so it becomes a kill or be killed situation.
I have given some rather rough and tough cattle dogs a wiff of a bigcat skin, they bailed out and bolted and owners picked the dogs up along the road heading for home.
great fun. Wally

[treno]

I do not think you should use a dog while trekking through dence scrub it is obviously going to be more noisy then a slow moving person moving as if already spotted something(very very very very slowly). I always leave my dog at camp on a nice long chain because thats like my home i do not want anyone messing with any of my stuff while i'm out. And are excellent to ensure you rest easier its like having a smoke alarm but for spooky noises. I recently took my better half and my dog to kilcoy to see the yowie statue and my usually protective but niced mannered dog had a huge problem with the statue, well lets just say as far as my dog was concerned it was a intruder beating me with a bat she was not happy at all and that is why dogs are good for the camp area for early warning and property protection and not much good after its dead in the scrub because a yowie has had to defend itself.

[Dean Harrison]

That's fine, but again limits your chances of an ecounter.

Having a dog guarding your camp is ok for security, however camping encounters normally occur when there are no dogs present. Basically, it comes down to what you want to achieve? Encounter or not? Leave the dog at home - period.

DMH

[SFS]

This "Sylvanic" area seems like a good place to mount an expedition. But I must admit that I have my reservations about it. The video was far too choppy for any of us to actually see the footprints they were showing, and that scream/bellow that was heard reminds me of another, pre-recorded vocalization that I have heard before, no I cannot remember which one.

What I am saying is that the vocalization could have been added to the video after the actual filming, to give the appearance that there is something "spooky" in this valley. Secondly, they state on the website that this area is only accessible through a small mountain pass, this makes me chuckle. In this modern age of Helicopters & Aircraft, there is no area that can just be accessed by foot. Thirdly, they stated that because of the conditions, staying over night was not possible. I can definately say that this is not true, myself and other members of the WCSRO (Western Canadian Sasquatch Research Organization) have camped overnight is places where it was much colder in the winter months, all you need is the right equipment.

So I'm going to hold off on total judgement of this area until I know more about it, but I must say that I have my doubts about it.

[philt]

I do not think you should use a dog while trekking through dence scrub it is obviously going to be more noisy then a slow moving person moving as if already spotted something(very very very very slowly). I always leave my dog at camp on a nice long chain because thats like my home i do not want anyone messing with any of my stuff while i'm out. And are excellent to ensure you rest easier its like having a smoke alarm but for spooky noises. I recently took my better half and my dog to kilcoy to see the yowie statue and my usually protective but niced mannered dog had a huge problem with the statue, well lets just say as far as my dog was concerned it was a intruder beating me with a bat she was not happy at all and that is why dogs are good for the camp area for early warning and property protection and not much good after its dead in the scrub because a yowie has had to defend itself.