glenmore79 wrote:lol, I tend to use cut and paste too much methinks
but would also like to draw attention to the thread : Deer Skin Wearing Yowie; in relation to intelligence, tools, flesh and blood/dimension hopping etc
All fair enough Glenmore. I understand your point. I also understand that people have had experience with something that appears to be a physically real creature, therefore the only logical conclusion from this would be that they are there, but we just haven't "discovered" them yet (scientifically). So this is only an opinion, but I find it extremely unlikely that this will be so.
The Blue Mountains (as an example) certainly isn't Pitt St. Yet a lot of people visit every day, by air, by vehicle and on foot for many and varied reasons. A lot more than people might think. They have been for a very long time. For breeding populations of at least 2 separate species of Yowie to avoid mainstream detection in a place like this for centuries is not just unlikely, but IMO unreasonable. The way they are credited with great intelligence to avoid anything that we can put there which might help verify them, is not onlyt unreasonable but more closely resembles the plot from a B grade horror flick where the monster continually foils the good guys and lives to fight another day. The more reasonable explanation for this is because they are not physically there.
I usually hear reference to things such as the "Wollemi Pine", which don't cut it either IMO. A stand of unusual trees that many might pass and not realise the significance of, is very different to mobile breeding populations of large unknown Homonids. I also feel that Yowie researchers would be the least likely to discover them if they were there, because their numbers and resources would be so small compared to others who use the area (though I applaud all efforts), including scientists (geologists, botanists, ornithologists, herpetologists, anthropologists/palaeontologists various university studies, wildlife surveys etc) not to mention those who use it for training purposes, recreation and those who manage the place. Leaving alone that many sighting occur around suburbs anyway and that some also have an undeniably "paranormal" aspect (unless things like "dematerialising" can be considered normal).
This is why most scientists would say it is a mixture of misidentification, hoax and delusion. I would also disagree that this can adequately cover it (no doubt in some instances) and there is something going on. So far no explanation I have ever heard, either from researchers or those that dismiss the whole thing, holds water. I also have some doubts about the aboriginal view as put forward, as necessarily being their view rather than an honest white man's interpretation. At least from what I have found (which could always be wrong) and what little information has been genuinely documented, from what I see, seems to clearly indicate a spiritual type being.
I understand that research must presume Yowies to be physically real and proceed accordingly, yet nothing seems to have shown up in a couple of centuries that would really indicate a physical cause, apart from stories, which seems very telling. So while they could be real, this seems unlikely and as time passes even less likely, I doubt the purely physical sciences alone (biology) will get to the bottom of this. Perhaps the cultural and social sciences could help, if to give us another perspective, but perhaps considered irrelevant because it might infer something that no one wants to hear (although areas like psychology are still considered "philosophy" more than science by many). They could be helpful and I wonder why more researchers don't acquaint themselves with latest trends in these areas. It seems not only relevant, but at this stage perhaps the most relevant area of all of the sciences IMO.
I doubt this will alone will get to the bottom of it either, nothing about this subject appears logical. So, while I would normally be considered a sceptic, I am open to the possibility that something is going on here beyond what we can understand. I don't see "paranormal" as such a frightening word, as much as something not understood and always with the possibility to change this. This is scientific in principle IMO and requires a scientific method more so than a rigid insistence that one part of science alone should be considered, when nothing seems to genuinely indicate it is even relevant.
I am a fan of the Socratic principle that before we can know anything, we first have to realise we don't know. They could be real, but I don't see the insistence of a real normal life form, that actually seems counter to what has been found (nothing, basically), as necessarily being scientific or open minded. Just IMO of course.
