A firm believer.

[jeffa]

This is my second post on this topic line to remind people what this section is intended for.


The CONTROVERSIAL CONJECTURE & DEBATE Forum, is for open discussion on fringe subjects that may raise or lower eyebrows.

It is a soap box where everyone is entitled to their ideas, away from the main stream and separated from our General Chat Forum due to the subject matter.

Clearly it is pointless having such a section if the people who dare to speak their minds on matters that appeal to them, are rudely criticised on topics they wish to speak about. By doing that, you are being contrary not only to the Forum, but also a hindrance to others who are genuinely interested in peoples alternate opinions.

If the subject matter is clean, friendly and non offensive by the party delivering the Post, we would anticipate the same respect in Replies.

By all means, reply with questions. Be inquisitive. If the subject doesn’t suit your opinions to the extent it provokes a derogatory attack, simply leave the conversation.



Remember - Poor topic lines live a short life.




Regarding this particular Topic Line; At times, I have had experiences out there which I cannot explain, nor wish to speak about. Therefore on a personal level, perhaps I can relate to lower level aspects of this Subject to a minor degree.


Please help us keep this CONTROVERSIAL CONJECTURE & DEBATE Forum working – everyone. You ALL make it happen. Let’s try to make it even better by being tolerant and using it to the best possible advantage we can. If some people are 'Colourful' in their views - so be it. Let them be heard.... If they get out of control, we will remove them.



There should also be a like button Dean. cheers.
DMH

[wellymon]

Hi All,

I tried writing a private message for the first time to Didgemaster this morning. I'm not that great with computers and also not that great at finding my way round this site. I ended up sending it to a lot of people I think?......
I'm so sorry and I hope people understand and not been annoyed.

Anyways I meet Didgemaster a week ago and he showed me some very interesting pictures, regarding Yowie stick markings etc.
I had never seen them before, or to say the least, I was probably oblivious to them. i explained these sightings to my wife, as I'm away at work at the moment. I rang my wife yesterday only to hear she had come across similar markings down of the fire trail not from our house. I find this pretty exciting and can't wait to get back home and check them out.
So this is what I was trying to PM Didgemaster, but I still can't get a private message to him.

Cheers and Sorry if you received my blotch up.

Welly

[Shazzoir]

It's a bit late, but welcome Wellyman, are you from Wellington or just like the boots? LOL In any case, hope you enjoy your stay here, good to see you making contact with other members, there are some awesome folks here.

kind regards
Shazz

[sensesonfire]

A post Chewy/Dion made many years ago.

Quote:
While I lean to the F&B hypothesis I certainly believe they have a paranormal side to them, which comes first? As has been stated F&B with P or P with F&B? I’m not too sure we will ever know.

Sightings indicate that they are physically present beings; you only need to read reports to know that they are physically seen! They have also been seen to eat, move and interact with physical objects, catch prey, why would something purely Paranormal need to eat and catch prey, they are known to have offspring, forgive me here but to my knowledge the only way to have offspring is through physical interaction.

So what comes next? How do you define something which has never been proven to exist to be purely F&B? or Paranormal for that matter? In my book you can’t, you can only learn from experience and by doing your research.

Well to be a good researcher I believe one does need to look at the paranormal aspects of yowies/sasquatch. I know a lot of it is hard to swallow at times but if you care to look and listen you find these gems of stories pop up time and again.

I find some accounts of stories fascinating; take for example the story of Jerry and Sue O’Connor who had a telepathic connection with a Yowie on 31 of October 2000. While I don’t know these people personally I believe them to be honest and credible witnesses.

Its not the first time this telepathic link has come up, a lot of encounters/eyewitnesses say they (Yowies/sasquatch) knew my every move, it’s like they could read my mind. The strong feeling of being watched is all too common; the nameless dread which comes over people. What animal is able to project these feelings on to a person none that I’m aware of, is it just part of peoples imagination? To think that way you would have to discredit thousands of people.

I have heard stories of Yowies being heard to pass by individuals no more than a couple of metres away in the bush but nothing was seen it was just felt? And heard? As if an invisible force passed them by. The aborigines speak of a spiritual being not all say they are supernatural some say they are pure F&B.

There are also numerus accounts of Sasquatch being shot at only for them to disappear in the blink of an eye or for people to see them vanish for no apparent reason.

Then you have the footsteps which mysteriously disappear as if something just took off in flight or dropped from the sky.

The fact we get 3,4,5 and even 6 toed prints found worldwide suggests something strange is at foot, with no physical body it makes it quite hard for me personally to sit on Just the F&B side of the fence and like I say some of that comes from my own experience.

We have no body to date, no bones just thousands upon thousands of eyewitness reports worldwide. A good indication to the amount of sightings we do get is to download the BFRO’s Google maps sighting data base there you will get an understanding of the amount of sightings that are to be seen. How come we get all these sightings but yet there is no evidence of a body. Where do they go when they die? How come no body has been found? Do they bury there dead? Why has no grave been found?

I believe them to be F&B but with paranormal aspects. The psychic ness and the possible ability to transverse dimensions is a very real one and is something I am still trying to get my head around.

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“The creature conveyed that it resided in the "Black Dimension" but was a benign "being of light". Among other things it informed Sue it was immensely old -essentially immortal"

User formally known as chewy [\quote]

See, all you had to do was use the search button and voila, you already have discussions on invisibility at your fingertips. Invisibility is nothing new to this forum. Resistance is futile!

Hi themanfromglad,
Have been off the forum for some time but have been reading through your posts and find them fascinating. Your comment about Bigfoot's aversion to strong lights appears equally true with Yowie; have read stories where people in cars have been approached by yowies and the Yowie refuses to enter into the car's headlights. I've said before that I believe these creatures are shape shifters with immense paranormal abilities: the ability to appear and disappear at will ( the reason why one will never be captured ); to transfigure from a physical to a spiritual form as reported of a 700lb Yowie jumping onto a man's back pinning him to the bed with no physical injury to the man; to disappear in front of your eyes when shot at with a shotgun; the capability to levitate and leave no evidence of footprints or terrain disturbance and the correlation of UFO sightings and an increase in Bigfoot activity. All this adds up to paranormal to me and here lies the dilemma ; if we are waiting for science to deliver an explanation we are going to be waiting a long time for a disappointing response if any, and to believe in the supernatural explanation is more of a personal belief either religiously ( my proclivity ) or other which obviously can never be proven. I will follow your posts with interest.

[FM80]

All this adds up to paranormal to me and here lies the dilemma ; if we are waiting for science to deliver an explanation we are going to be waiting a long time for a disappointing response if any, and to believe in the supernatural explanation is more of a personal belief either religiously ( my proclivity ) or other which obviously can never be proven

Yeah because science is terrible at explaining things. Darn science, it still can't explain your fringe supernatural minority ideas - there must be something wrong with science I guess

(if there was an animation of 'banging head against wall' I would insert it here)

[sensesonfire]

So yeah TMFG I understand what you are saying about having all your sensors closely connected.
Ummmm....

Yeah that's about all I understand too.

On the fly dimension shifts? Invisible forest people?

You are right FM80, what evidence does he have? What evidence do you have? Other than peoples stories that are considered just that, stories. Whole lot of negative coming from your neck of the woods, and I thought a forum was to guage ideas and discuss them as adult views. TMFG has some ideas (some what seem a little outfield) but so what? There have been a couple of cases where the yowie seems to just vanish according to the witness. Do you just pick and choose what people say and ridicule and disregard everything else because you cant see outside the box? A very well known and respected member of this site witnessed a strange occourance of late where the yowie glided at a semingly impossible movement. Some closed minded individuals automatically assumed adrenilen or other effects may have taken place. He saw what he saw and I believe wholeheatedly! Why? Because he told it how it was! Dion has had a few experiences and they are welcomed and incouraged, as are all other people's ideas. Live and Let Live! The whole primate, primate, primate theory which has a lot going for it has so far delivered squat in the scientific world. Be open minded and lets work this out together! Look outside the box on some occasion!
Peace all! Sick of bullying on this site!!!

Great post jeffa.

[sensesonfire]

All this adds up to paranormal to me and here lies the dilemma ; if we are waiting for science to deliver an explanation we are going to be waiting a long time for a disappointing response if any, and to believe in the supernatural explanation is more of a personal belief either religiously ( my proclivity ) or other which obviously can never be proven

Yeah because science is terrible at explaining things. Darn science, it still can't explain your fringe supernatural minority ideas - there must be something wrong with science I guess

(if there was an animation of 'banging head against wall' I would insert it here)

[Quote: FM80] Yeah because science is terrible at explaining things.

On this particular subject, Science = diabolically terrible, completely at a loss of any explanation what so ever even when analysis of so called physical evidence of Bigfoot/Yowie returns a big blank - let alone trying to explain the supernatural which goes against all the principles of science. I would love science to come up with an explanation after all that's what science is about - to prove or debunk . BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. FM80, discard your blinkered approach and expand your mind to the possibility that not everything is black and white and that maybe there is some other paranormal explanation but as I said it can never be proven by science or anyone else.

[FM80]

Look, I'll leave sarcasm and negativity out of this for now. What exactly do you mean by paranormal? Science is just the name we give to the process of people going out and figuring out how things are through a method that requires some evidence and repeatability, it's nothing fancy, anyone can do it. So what you are saying is that we will never figure this out, it doesn't have to be physical evidence, but there should be something testable shouldn't there? I am not close minded, but I value the truth, and the process of science has delivered a lot to us and it's ability to keep providing for us should not be overlooked.

the alternative is your 'beliefs' which have no previous examples EVER, and I can't work out why you find value in that. I mean it's great that you think outside the box, believe it or not so do I, but if you say that science can't help us with this subject, can you explain how your supernatural thing can? Can you show how the paranormal people have contributed to this, or how they can contribute?

[themanfromglad]

What exactly do you mean by paranormal?

par·a·nor·mal

Impossible to explain scientifically: unable to be explained or understood in terms of scientific knowledge. Normally reserved to describe a being that has the capability of invisibility at will. Described in detail in the book X3 by Adrian Dvir. Which is a book about the author's communications with people from other worlds. The book also explains a lot more questions that science has so far been unable to provide a suitable explanation.

[themanfromglad]

A post Chewy/Dion made many years ago.

Quote:
While I lean to the F&B hypothesis I certainly believe they have a paranormal side to them, which comes first? As has been stated F&B with P or P with F&B? I’m not too sure we will ever know.

Sightings indicate that they are physically present beings; you only need to read reports to know that they are physically seen! They have also been seen to eat, move and interact with physical objects, catch prey, why would something purely Paranormal need to eat and catch prey, they are known to have offspring, forgive me here but to my knowledge the only way to have offspring is through physical interaction.

So what comes next? How do you define something which has never been proven to exist to be purely F&B? or Paranormal for that matter? In my book you can’t, you can only learn from experience and by doing your research.

Well to be a good researcher I believe one does need to look at the paranormal aspects of yowies/sasquatch. I know a lot of it is hard to swallow at times but if you care to look and listen you find these gems of stories pop up time and again.

I find some accounts of stories fascinating; take for example the story of Jerry and Sue O’Connor who had a telepathic connection with a Yowie on 31 of October 2000. While I don’t know these people personally I believe them to be honest and credible witnesses.

Its not the first time this telepathic link has come up, a lot of encounters/eyewitnesses say they (Yowies/sasquatch) knew my every move, it’s like they could read my mind. The strong feeling of being watched is all too common; the nameless dread which comes over people. What animal is able to project these feelings on to a person none that I’m aware of, is it just part of peoples imagination? To think that way you would have to discredit thousands of people.

I have heard stories of Yowies being heard to pass by individuals no more than a couple of metres away in the bush but nothing was seen it was just felt? And heard? As if an invisible force passed them by. The aborigines speak of a spiritual being not all say they are supernatural some say they are pure F&B.

There are also numerus accounts of Sasquatch being shot at only for them to disappear in the blink of an eye or for people to see them vanish for no apparent reason.

Then you have the footsteps which mysteriously disappear as if something just took off in flight or dropped from the sky.

The fact we get 3,4,5 and even 6 toed prints found worldwide suggests something strange is at foot, with no physical body it makes it quite hard for me personally to sit on Just the F&B side of the fence and like I say some of that comes from my own experience.

We have no body to date, no bones just thousands upon thousands of eyewitness reports worldwide. A good indication to the amount of sightings we do get is to download the BFRO’s Google maps sighting data base there you will get an understanding of the amount of sightings that are to be seen. How come we get all these sightings but yet there is no evidence of a body. Where do they go when they die? How come no body has been found? Do they bury there dead? Why has no grave been found?

I believe them to be F&B but with paranormal aspects. The psychic ness and the possible ability to transverse dimensions is a very real one and is something I am still trying to get my head around.

_________________
“The creature conveyed that it resided in the "Black Dimension" but was a benign "being of light". Among other things it informed Sue it was immensely old -essentially immortal"

User formally known as chewy [\quote]

See, all you had to do was use the search button and voila, you already have discussions on invisibility at your fingertips. Invisibility is nothing new to this forum. Resistance is futile!

Hi themanfromglad,
Have been off the forum for some time but have been reading through your posts and find them fascinating. Your comment about Bigfoot's aversion to strong lights appears equally true with Yowie; have read stories where people in cars have been approached by yowies and the Yowie refuses to enter into the car's headlights. I've said before that I believe these creatures are shape shifters with immense paranormal abilities: the ability to appear and disappear at will ( the reason why one will never be captured ); to transfigure from a physical to a spiritual form as reported of a 700lb Yowie jumping onto a man's back pinning him to the bed with no physical injury to the man; to disappear in front of your eyes when shot at with a shotgun; the capability to levitate and leave no evidence of footprints or terrain disturbance and the correlation of UFO sightings and an increase in Bigfoot activity. All this adds up to paranormal to me and here lies the dilemma ; if we are waiting for science to deliver an explanation we are going to be waiting a long time for a disappointing response if any, and to believe in the supernatural explanation is more of a personal belief either religiously ( my proclivity ) or other which obviously can never be proven. I will follow your posts with interest.

I did not make that post. That was Chewy/Dion. I merely resurrected it.