yowie/ the ultimate bushman

[googe]

Hi all, I read about why there's no bones found, why do they smell so bad, how can they vanish so easily, ect. Is it because they are the ultimate bushman?.. They make them selves smell to ward off insects, ticks, confuse pray?. They bury there dead, no bones?, they can vanish due to expert stealth abilities?. They can track you, have a think how good a aboriginal is at tracking, surviving in the bush. I think the yowie is intelligent enough also. Special forces, bushmen ect can hide very well but yowies live there life like this, its in there genes!, no wonder there hard to find!!. Thats my thinking anyway.

Cheers

[Ray Doherty]

Absolutely agree 100% Googe, nothing special other than highly skilled and adapted to bush living, handed down. If you lived that life for generations its a no brainer.

[Ray Doherty]

Actually there is precedence for them burring their dead, Gorillas do that from time to time. They generally keep the body in the family unit (camp) until decomp and then bury them in gully's or ruts covering them with sticks, stumps and leaves. The big reason I believe there are no bones is due to the acidic concentration in many of the forests. A murder that took place near my research site, when the killer was caught he said he went back 10 days later and there was almost nothing left of the body. That in itself gives us a lot to think about. The dryer the environment the chances would be higher I reckon.

[macquariedave]

Hi all, I read about why there's no bones found, why do they smell so bad, how can they vanish so easily, ect. Is it because they are the ultimate bushman?.. They make them selves smell to ward off insects, ticks, confuse pray?. They bury there dead, no bones?, they can vanish due to expert stealth abilities?. They can track you, have a think how good a aboriginal is at tracking, surviving in the bush. I think the yowie is intelligent enough also. Special forces, bushmen ect can hide very well but yowies live there life like this, its in there genes!, no wonder there hard to find!!. Thats my thinking anyway.

Cheers

They smell because they are hairy, including their bottoms, and they're not known to use toilet paper.

[googe]

Didn't know that about gorillas ray, interesting. I remember reading a report somewhere about them burying there dead, cant remember where the report is though!!. might have been on Bigfoot encounters?. Good point about the acidic forest!, would it be stronge enough to eat bone?.. Lol Dave, maybe there not as smart as we thought, not being able to bath or use a leaf for toilet paper. Got a nasty image in my mind now of a yowie wiping his arse with a leaf lol.

[Scarts]

None of it makes any sense.

Homeless people usually smell extremely bad too. Upon closer examination, the effect of not bathing is they develop sores on their skin, get infections, are more susceptible to colds, getting sick from germs, their hair beomes knotted and infested. Lack of proper nutrients and cleaning teeth, also accelarates tooth decay, loss of vision, and general poor health and well being. Our aborginals regularly looked after their teeth.

People with poorer states of health generally have shorter lifespans. The same can be said for animals and primates. If the yowie is a primate or homanid, or mixture, it still must comply with general laws of common sense.

Bearing this in mind, the yowie can't be in a great state of health, must have a short lifespan, must be disease ridden from not bathing, have terrible teeth, and be in a general poor state of health. Yet, everybody here believes they are super bushmen running around, spending more time trying to coceal their presence from humans with super senses, than on actual survival. And on top of this, they have developed a method of burying all of their dead in a way that no skull or other bone has ever been dragged by a little animal to a spot where a person could easily find it.

Bullshit!

[googe]

Are you saying because yowies are known to smell, but not sick like a homeless person, there super natural?. Dogs and other animals that rub them selves in s#@t and god knows what else must be super natural?. A yowie seems to have alot of strength from reports, wouldn't be hard to dig a big hole, would like to see a little creature dig one up from a 4 foot deep hole. But I'm no expert

[BrianCL]

I would think one good reason they smell is if they are like us and sweat
then that combined with a lot of hair would be a higene nighmare lol.

I know k9's and i guess marsupials and many other hair covered creatures
dont have sweat glands so generally wont smell AS much depending on
other factors too of corse (like rolling around in poo straight after a wash)

Does anyone know do chimps, gorillas etc have sweat glands like humans?

Either way I doubt a healthy yowie is going to be highly suseptable to a host
of infections and diseases like a domesticated human would if thrown into the
wilderness.
As for their lifespan who knows but I would think upto 50-60 years is not out
of the question.

[Scarts]

Well, Googe, I'm no expert on underground burials either, but what I do know is four feet deep is not deep enough to protect a corpse from wild dogs or wild cats. That's partly the reason us in the Western World bury our dead in coffins.

As for the super natural query, that's not what I'm suggesting. The super strength observation must be related to what the creature eats. It doesn't use fire to cook it's meat, leading to much higher chance of getting sick from the animal it's eaten, and there isn't enough foliage or fruit to sustain a creature of the reported size of a yowie on a vegetarian diet. If they are getting closer to human living areas, they are susceptible to airbourne diseases and sickness from eating processed foods from rubbish bins, etc. If they are getting sick, their lifespan must be reduced and they would have to be propagating and having large families. You would have to expect they would lose a percentage of offspring to illness, especially considering I'm yet to see a yowie admitted in a hospital ward. The reports don't reflect large family groups. Seriously, why would they be bothered with concealment if everyday is a struggle for survival? No huts have been found, no remnants in caves, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. As for a popular yowie hotspot I know of, a friend of mine who is a hunter, has spent days in these areas stalking deer and never once seen anything even closely resembling a yowie.

[wellymon]

Well, Googe, I'm no expert on underground burials either, but what I do know is four feet deep is not deep enough to protect a corpse from wild dogs or wild cats. That's partly the reason us in the Western World bury our dead in coffins.

I disagree there Scarts..?

I have buried 2 of my Jack Russells in my back yard 3-4ft deep in the last 2 years. I never put them in coffins like you say, but wrapped them in their favourite smelly blanket, RIP. Since then they have not been dug up at all and still remain decomposing going to another realm. We have dingos and wild cats here on our land....?
Sorry there champ but I have to agree with you as you are no burial expert
RIP my two dogs....

[Rusty2]

Scarts , the fact is you know NOTHING about what's been found and neither do we .

Do you really think that scientists or the police or national parks or the government would announce the discovery of a yowie body ?

And who the hell said their vegetarian ?

Yowie deniers are just control freaks and in denial themselves , major psychological problems .

[googe]

Your last post confused me scart, well they all did. I was wondering why you were not being proactive, because I asked questions, not statements. Out of curiosity, why would you be on a site that you don't believe the content of?. Or am I miss understanding something?.

[grooveyguru]

Scarts , the fact is you know NOTHING about what's been found and neither do we .

Do you really think that scientists or the police or national parks or the government would announce the discovery of a yowie body ?

And who the hell said their vegetarian ?

Yowie deniers are just control freaks and in denial themselves , major psychological problems .

Why do you believe that they would hide the evidence if they found something? I have no reason to think they would hide something like that. As for super bushman , I am not so certain. I have hunted deer for a a lot of years and the senses they have are highly tuned to say the least, yet they are always found when looking for them.

[Scarts]

Wellymon, what did you use to make the holes in the ground you buried each of your jack russels in? How close to your house did you bury them? You say you have wild cats and dogs on your property, so have you ever shot at one to scare it off? Sorry there champ, your backyard is hardly a patch of bush in the middle of nowhere. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what bush articles the yowie use to dig their deep holes to bury their dead? Or do you think they use their hands to burrow through different soil types of varying hardness and rock?

Actually Rusty, I do know SOMETHING about what's been found. NOTHING has been found and NOTHING has been discovered by National Parks and Wildlife, Scientists, Police, or the Government. Yeah, I really think they would announce such a discovery. As for diet, are you suggesting the yowie are inedians living off sunlight and fresh air to sustain their 400 pound body weights? Otherwise, point us to what their food sources are and stop being in denial.

Sorry googe, you misunderstand me. I'm not attacking the yowie here. I'm attacking the flesh and blood theory. There's a difference. While I don't know what the yowie is, I sure know what it isn't. It isn't flesh and blood. Oh, and I do believe the content of the site otherwise I wouldnt be here.

I'm not the only one here who accepts the yowie is not flesh and blood, am I Dean?

[wellymon]

[quote="Scarts"]Wellymon, what did you use to make the holes in the ground you buried each of your jack russels in? How close to your house did you bury them? You say you have wild cats and dogs on your property, so have you ever shot at one to scare it off? Sorry there champ, your backyard is hardly a patch of bush in the middle of nowhere. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what bush articles the yowie use to dig their deep holes to bury their dead? Or do you think they use their hands to burrow through different soil types of varying hardness and rock?

Settle down Scarts, get of your high stool and stop trying to turn things around. I would not have a clue how or if the so called "hairy ones" bury their own, I never mentioned that. I was referring to holes I have dug for my dogs, which have never been dug up by other animals. You don't have to get all strange about my backyard, lol, my backyard is my backyard, your backyard is your backyard no need to demoralise my backyard as if it is hardly a patch of bush, its my backyard , backyard, backyard.

[googe]

You sound close minded scarts, one belief. What is your un questionable prof of your belief?, I'm genuinely interested. I didn't start this thread to take any side, just voicing things I've thought of and if anyone had plusabke feedback. As for government agencies sharing things, you'd have to have been living on another planet to not know they don't. As for not flesh and blood, I'm open to that, I recognize from.many reports that people that see yowie, see others things, and have multiple encounters, I don't think it's luck, I think it's about there open mind.

[Scarts]

Wellymon, you were using your dogs as an example of how not all buried animals get dug up by bush critters. Considering no bones have ever been found, what do you propose happens to the bones? Do they evaporate? Your backyard is relevant by virtue of human activity on it and human scent, etc.

Googe, you do realise flesh and blood is the most obvious explanation on the surface that I refute. And, you're calling me close-minded? LOL! I'm just voicing my thoughts too. I've seen a yowie and what I saw wasn't flesh and blood.

[Rusty2]

Grooveyguru , I'm not saying anythings been hidden from us , its just not being disclosed , a difference and words games which the governments love to use .

An announcement isnt just an announcement , its an admmition , and the Greens would jump all over it .
National parks and State forests may close till habitat zones and sanctuaries were established , some forests may permanently close .
Thousands of forest workers would eventually lose their jobs , overseas contracts would be defaulted and compensation would have to be paid .
Local timber companies would close and compensation would be paid .
Shooters licences would be cancelled , ecotours would want compensation for loss of earnings , big business and lobby groups would push extremely hard not to disclose anything and dont forget the idiots who'd try to wraught the new findings with litigation .
It would cost the taxpayer and our economy billions . This is why it hasnt been announced .

[Quoll]

G'day Scarts, Just to enlighten me if you don't mind a few questions.

You have raised my interest in what made you think what you saw was a Yowie at all and how you came to the conclusion your Yowie wasn't flesh and blood? What are the indicators? What is everyone missing?

[Neil Frost]

G’day Googe et al,

I believe that they are the ultimate bushman too.

Regarding the possibility of them burying their dead, I think that this is highly likely, simply because they behave as a social group and are intelligent (unlike deer). In support of this, the very few remaining elders that are knowledgeable and I have spoken to, also believe this. Another forum researcher who currently has much more contact and experience in these matters than me, similarly says this but, also includes burial above ground as the main method.

Regarding digging, I remember Barry (he was a colleague of Cheryl, Ian’s wife and was a male nurse at the now closed Queen Victoria Hospital), had showed me convincing evidence of this. We had been in frequent contact by phone and from Cheryl after several encounters and sightings at his onsite residence. He and several other friends had regularly shot dogs that scavenged at the hospital tip and buried them with the tip excavator. After a phone call, I visited the garbage site with Barry where he showed me a large mound where several dogs had been buried earlier. The northern side had had, what pessimistically seemed like, several tonnes of dirt removed. Looking into the wide shaft, the “exploded” and empty ribcages of dogs could be seen. Asking Barry if the remaining dogs would have done this, he said that it could have been possible if they had worked together in shifts overnight! Clearly, this was not the case and unfortunately, this was the transitional period for me, between film and digital, so no photographic evidence is available.

Regarding health and hygiene, I was bitten by a yellow, striped leech in September 2001, resulting in a very lengthy hospital stay requiring two intravenous antibiotics in order to prevent an undesirable outcome. This is the same swamp that Fatfoot co-habitated. Consequently, I think that their immune system is much more robust than ours. Current medical research suggests that our over clean environment is making us sick and more vulnerable. Could be wrong!

Living with two ancient historians, I am reminded that early Egyptians lived for 26 years, on average. The typical cause of death was infection caused by tooth decay. The enamel was eroded from sand from the grinding wheel, used to make the flour. The resulting abscess led to septicemia.

We started construction of our house in 1983. The large and unusual footprints that we found in the soft, turned earth afterwards seemed to be those of an adult. Assuming that these were from Fatfoot and that the last confirmed encounter was in February 2002, the minimum age between these two incidents is 19 years. Please make your own assessment.

Could be wrong!

Neil

[Scarts]

For those that have ever seen an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie and can appreciate how huge the guy was at his physical peak at 6'2 tall, the following image is an unaltered photo of Arnold standing between two 7 foot tall plus wrestlers. These wrestlers would be about the height and size of the standard 7 foot tall yowie that gets reported. These were two real people with real diets, real bodies, real health problems and occassional real injuries.

Just to put it into physical perspective the giant size of the ultimate bushmen we're all discussing.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w179 ... d5f36e.png

[googe]

Yeah close.minded wasn't the right wording scarts lol, one sided belief, is that better?. Can you share why you seen your encounter as not flesh blood?. Wow arny looks like a.shrimp!. Good info thanks Neil!, never heard of the striped leech, do they have a yellow strip?. I think your right about cleanliness and illness, I remember reading something ages ago, about kids in modern society from privileged lands, and third world kids, they did test and found privileged country kids got sicker easier than kids that are not. To do with there bodies being raised in an environment that makes them used to certain germs. Sort of like the flu shot, your body is ready for it when the germ comes. We can't compare human traits to yowie traits, well we can I guess but it would be clutching straws. I see them.as.an animal in the way they are, they don't have our intelligence, but are smart, they move to find food, they can hunt, gather, I see them.very much like an undeveloped aboriginal. I don't mean any disrespect by that, I think aboriginal s are amazing, they know. More about our country and flora fauna than we could ever dream of. If the yowie does that because of the Aussie environment I don't know, do they do that so.much in other countries?.

[AL Pitman]

What happened to the juvenile body that was found floating in the river at Tabulam and removed by authorities ????

[Scarts]

Googe, what I saw had no mass. It had size and shape, but no weight.

Al, that's an urban myth. It's a myth that what was recovered was a dead yowie body.

[grooveyguru]

Googe, what I saw had no mass. It had size and shape, but no weight.

Al, that's an urban myth. It's a myth that what was recovered was a dead yowie body.

What does no weight look like? If you saw size and shape, how do you tell it had no weight?

[Scarts]

It's feet didn't touch the ground as it ran, it cast no shadow, and the leaves of the bush it disappeared into didn't move as it disappeared into them.

[Ray Doherty]

Just to pick up a point that Rusty made about the Government knowing. I recently met a man who was a State & National Parks Ranger for over 35 years. He worked exclusively the border rangers from North NSW to Western QLD & North Western NSW (but on the border)

He told me that he and his work mate where tracking feral dogs (about 15 years ago) through a series of creek beds after a lot of sightings. In one creek bed he said he found a 10 meter track-way comprising of several steps that vanished into the bush/. He said the prints where 40 Cm long and around 18-22 CM wide. He said the measured, photographed and casted all of the prints, including some hair in the prints and delivered them to his HQ and the CSIRO guy attached to parks at the time. When he presented them to the CSIRO guy he could not identify it but ruled is out as human due to size and the fact it only had 4 toes.

He never heard anything back from his management nor the CSIRO remembering he personally gave the evidence to those authorities. He then forgot about it until 5 years later when talking to a friend of his who worked (for equally long career) for parks as well in Northern NSW. When the subject came up his friend, who trusted with his life said, 'They are everywhere through Northern NSW, the populations are huge. Most people in the street wouldn't go into the bush if they really knew how many there where and what they can do'

My conversation with this gentlemen ended on that note but he did say they know, they have evidence its just not widely known or talked about in the department. I have also been told by an Australian media crew once that certain government agencies watch the subject closely. Whilst guarded as to the reason when I pressed her she said that their reasons for doing so was 'There is a lot of weird stuff that goes on in the bush, stuff that they (various government agencies) have no idea how it occurs

So, in my view, they (The G Men) know, the question is how far and widely, not very I suggest.

Cheers

Ray

[Ray Doherty]

BTW it was Girraween National Park where he found the prints

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.772 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Cheers

Ray

[NotSoBigFoot]

FYI - to whoever asked or suggested...

Humans are the only primate / ape that has sweat glands and sweats

Kind Regards,

Stu

[Neil Frost]

FYI - to whoever asked or suggested...

Humans are the only primate / ape that has sweat glands and sweats

Kind Regards,

Stu

G’day NotSoBigFoot,

As with many observed traits, sweating or otherwise tells you something about the animal. On one rare occasion, when Robert and I cornered Fatfoot (or, more probably one of the others) in the swamp, it began to pant heavily and fast, very much like a dog. It was highly stressed, either by the earlier physical exertion or, most likely because of it’s impending discovery. It was not a slow, out of breath pant, like a person. It was not a swamp wallaby. From my early transcript of events below, it was clearly not a Homo characteristic, for obvious reasons! It is not another great ape either.

“This decision necessitated a change in action. Without the camera and Ian’s support, I decided to get us into the best position possible and then see what the response would be, including Robert’s. Listening to the steady movement, it was clear that Fatfoot or, the other dooligahl, was returning to the safety of the swamp, where further pursuit would become unlikely. After about a minute, I was confident of the dooligahl’s position near our border with Ian’s land and at the edge of the swamp. With Robert behind me, we started walking in a straight line towards the last movement heard. Knowing that we would be instantly detected, particularly with an inexperienced person in tow, meant that stealth was not a major concern. Consequently, the movement stopped. We continued walking for a distance of about fifty metres through the lower clearing and then, I briefly turned on the torch, pointing it in the direction of the sounds. I expected the dooligahl to run away. Instead, we heard growling and panting coming from the bush ahead, at a further distance of about twenty metres. Recommencing the move directly towards the dooligahl, I turned to Robert and warned him that I was about to turn on the torch again and to expect another reaction. Raising the torch at arms length over my head so that the beam would clear the dense vegetation, I turned on the quartz-halogen light.
Immediately there was a roar. It sounded remarkably like a lion’s or perhaps a bear’s. The volume was extremely loud. Simultaneously, the dooligahl rose from behind a bush where it had been crouching, only six feet in front of me. As it did, the dooligahl was standing at a slight angle, with its right side closest to me. It then leant forward over the sparse and spiky vegetation of some dagger hakea and swamp grasses and roared in my face. The main beam from the torch continued to shine above the hominoid’s head.” (Encounters with Fatfoot, p 121)


Neil