The Yowie

[Ruby Lang]

Hi Chewy,

My comments about physicality (or the absence of it) were in reference to yours:

Now if this animal were purely paranormal would not this creature just disregard all phsyical objects in the process?

And really, at the end of the day, who knows what the hell it is? We can only hypothesise and create theories and try to assemble some kind of structure/parameters so that we can try and comprehend the strangeness of it all.

Ruby

[Dion]

And really, at the end of the day, who knows what the hell it is? We can only hypothesise and create theories and try to assemble some kind of structure/parameters so that we can try and comprehend the strangeness of it all.

Ruby

My thoughts exactly

[Darren]

Yes , I'll agree to that statement also ! Well said Ruby !

[Nigel&Jeannie]

Hi Mike
My dog also has 4 toes and a dew claw.
Contacted Anstead veterinary practise, ANSTEAD.
Asked the vet[female] That we where having a debat about feet and Toes and she told me SHE had seen dogs with 6 toes.
I have also seen a cat breed with 6 but will do some research on that too.

So Yes Iam saying that it is possibly a deformity with in a species that is undiscovered
So lock both barrels and Fire away.

As for the dolphins Mike Just read it in a old aticle
Heading The Monster Hunters.
Mandy Holloway of the Zoology Department at the Natural History Museum.She states two new dolphin species and a whale in sept. 2003
so cant comment.

Any way No one Can actually say what we are dealing with.
Just make our own observations and let others know what we find.

And what a debat .
This topic could go on for months.
Cheers Mike

[Rob Mac]

Yep have seen a story on telly about 6 toed cats. From memory they were in Florida U.S.A. & were all descended from Ernest Hemingways' cat, (I think), & apparently most of the tourists who go to visit his house seem as interested in the cats as anything else.

[Vic]

I know this is a bit late but I have another idea. If my daughter stands in bare feet, she leaves a four-toed print due to one toe on each foot being (naturally) slightly raised. I wonder how easy it would be for a large animal with human-type feet to break small toes and have them mend in a disfigured manner? I know this doesn?t explain everything but it?s a stab at some unusual prints.

As for the make-up of the big monkey... It has to be F&B. The cold-hearted cynic in me can barely handle any other option.

On the other hand, isn?t paranormal something that?s normal that we don?t understand yet?

Vic

[Alex]

I know this is a bit late but I have another idea. If my daughter stands in bare feet, she leaves a four-toed print due to one toe on each foot being (naturally) slightly raised. I wonder how easy it would be for a large animal with human-type feet to break small toes and have them mend in a disfigured manner? I know this doesn?t explain everything but it?s a stab at some unusual prints.

As for the make-up of the big monkey... It has to be F&B. The cold-hearted cynic in me can barely handle any other option.

On the other hand, isn?t paranormal something that?s normal that we don?t understand yet?

Vic

That's.. wow. It's one of those things so obvious that you wouldn't really think of. I've broken a toe, and on my right foot I only leave 4 toe prints because I didn't really do anything about the broken toe, and it sits weird now.

If it can happen to me, it sure as hell could happen to a yowie.

My hat goes off to you Vic.

[Buck]

I lean towards F & B myself. However having had some para-normal experiences I don't discount it either.

Having spent most of my youth in bushland in Africa and Australia, I know the feeling of being watched. Watched by what? Everything that you pass by... Birds, snakes, lizards, insects.

I remember a feeling of dread once when I was roaming the bush behind my house in Zambia. I had that feeling of bieng watched... I turned around and there was a chameleon quite close to my head. If there was a feeling of dread I wondered if it was on it's part - 'Bloody hell... would you look at that thing. I better be still... change colour' LoL

I believe that where ever you go, you are being observed. Just as you take in your environment you are equally a part of someone else's environment or something's environment.

It takes two to have an encounter, whether both parties are aware of it or not.

In reference to the aura idea... It make sense. Whatever dread or feal we feel might be the very reason why the bush falls quiet. If we feel it I'm sure other creatures can experience it also.

As for IR sensitivity, there are many animals that have IR capability.

Here's a link you can check out it's about the eye and IR capabilties in certain animals. To us we would experience this capability as para-normal but it's everyday ho hum for the pit viper.

http://www.eyedesignbook.com/ch3/eyech3-f.html

Another note about IR vision. Deep in the oceam there is a species of copepod (microscopic organism) that scans the dark with IR. Most of it's hapless prey have no idea as they haven't developed vision because of their virtually nil light environment.

The curious thing is, one organism has evolved to detect when it's being scanned in the dark and takes subsequent action. These are tiny creatures with very sophisticated vision systems. Astounding.

There are also many types of fish, shark and ray that have electric fields that they use to appreciate their environment. The platypus can detect currents as weak as a millionth of a volt when searching for food. If this is not an 'aura' of some description I don't know what is.


My point is that there are billions of living things that interact with the world in many and varied ways. Nothing should be surprising, only enlightening.

This was a great poll to read.

Cheers Buck

[Dean Harrison]

Sensational URL Buck - well done.

Sheds a lot of light (pun intended), on the sight caperbilities of other animals during the night. A good read.

DMH

[wasmussen]

Yowies and Bigfoot are probably flesh and blood. I say probably because if I was to believe for sure they exist then anything is possible beyond F&B. I have been in contact with many in the field. All the attributes of the Bigfoot here in the USA seems to point to flesh and blood and a smarter creature than most give it credit for. It seems to me there are those who think being hunters, trackers,etc. are smarter than this animal which couldn't be farther than the truth. The thought by many is well if it is out there then why hasn't one been brought in to prove its existence?

Sure there are people who claim some extra ordinary powers if you will by the creature. Seeing one by someone who has never seen one before will get your mind working overtime trying to explain what you saw ie. That must be a bear or something like that. The adrenalin rush you get from the excitement will and can do weird things to your body. Your senses go into overload.

There have been claims of seeing only a torso walking by. To me if that is all a person sees then how would they know it's a hominid? What kind of high is this person experiencing?
Tracks that stop into no where. People have seen them back up in thier own tracks on two feet to go down on all fours and leave tracks that don't look the same at all and a person looking for bipedal tracks miss it all together. They don't look in a tree or trees only to hear a thud hit the ground and a creature running away. Mothing para in the tracks.
If it were paranormal then it wouldn't need cover or protection of any kind. It would be seen crossing the street in my neighborhood without fear or worry. This isn't the case...it's hiding in deep woods or eating chickens, hogs,etc. Tearing up dogs or cows and leaving footprints, hair samples, and avoiding planted tree cameras.

I have a cast of a foot that was found only by accident because it jumped over a dirt road (about 8 feet wide)to avoid leaving an impression(based on the direction the print was facing) and it landed up on the bank in leaves and sticks.

[wasmussen]

Yowies and Bigfoot are probably flesh and blood. I say probably because if I was to believe for sure they exist then anything is possible beyond F&B. I have been in contact with many in the field. All the attributes of the Bigfoot here in the USA seems to point to flesh and blood and a smarter creature than most give it credit for. It seems to me there are those who think being hunters, trackers,etc. are smarter than this animal which couldn't be farther than the truth. The thought by many is well if it is out there then why hasn't one been brought in to prove its existence?

Sure there are people who claim some extra ordinary powers if you will by the creature. Seeing one by someone who has never seen one before will get your mind working overtime trying to explain what you saw ie. That must be a bear or something like that. The adrenalin rush you get from the excitement will and can do weird things to your body. Your senses go into overload.

There have been claims of seeing only a torso walking by. To me if that is all a person sees then how would they know it's a hominid? What kind of high is this person experiencing?
Tracks that stop into no where. People have seen them back up in thier own tracks on two feet to go down on all fours and leave tracks that don't look the same at all and a person looking for bipedal tracks miss it all together. They don't look in a tree or trees only to hear a thud hit the ground and a creature running away. Nothing para in the tracks.
If it were paranormal then it wouldn't need cover or protection of any kind. It would be seen crossing the street in my neighborhood without fear or worry. This isn't the case...it's hiding in deep woods or eating chickens, hogs,etc. Tearing up dogs or cows and leaving footprints, hair samples, and avoiding camo tree cameras.

I have a cast of a foot that was found only by accident because it jumped over a dirt road (about 8 feet wide)to avoid leaving an impression(based on the direction the print was facing) and it landed up on the bank in leaves and sticks.

The feeling you get by one watching you or stalking you could also be another animal (ie. Bear) or in my case while trout fishing on a bank a fox waiting for me to catch and field dress a trout. It was waiting to eat what I left behind. I had a feeling something or someone was behind me while fishing and when I looked back a fox was pacing back and forth about 8 feet away.

Like anything else there are those that say it can't be but there is a possiblity of almost anything. Giant Squid was looked at as an impossibilty not long ago. I love drawing them and talking to those I trust to help through artwork to bring them to life.

[Tim Power]

Hi all,

I'm realy enjoying reading all the different views on this subject.

it's also great to see the board finally back to what it was years ago, intelligent discussion on relevent topics.

As some of you know I'm more Flesh and blood than anything else, and try to resist going down the paranormal path because there are to many unknowns to deal with.
i mean I'm flat out trying to get F&B eveidence let alone communicating or flying with one of them.

And yes, I have all the books on all the amazing para aspects on them which can't be denied, so i geuss I'm stuck in the middle but stubornly hanging on to the Flesh and Blood side of the fence with my finger nails.

There is one thing that I still need an answer to,
If they are totally paranormal and can come and go at will, why is it they are not being sighted at the movies or at the footy, or people aren't getting the willys in the supermarket and think something is watching them, and having the bushes in their backyard shaken?

In 99% of all cases, sightings are really remote, in the last place humans would go, with habitat that has a good supply of food, water and protection.

So why are they out there if they are truly spiritual beings? I mean when I'm out in the rain pulling of leeches at night freezing cold, there are a lot of other places I would rather be.
And why do they usually run off at sighting a human? When they could beam themselves up.

Anyway if someone could answer the supermarket question I would be truely grateful.

cheers

tim

[dawn]

Hi Tim. i remember reading on an american site of a BF that was turning up regularly at the dumpster at the rear of a Supermarket, If I remember it correctly that one of the investigators was so badly shaken by encountering the creature that he stopped going out on his own. I wish I could remember which site it was, someone here might. I think there are a few places in Aussie too, where they have been seen in the street, so to speak! LOL! I would assume that there was some sort of green-corridor available to traverse, Para/ F&B? Who knows, but atleast here we accept everyones pet theories!

[wasmussen]

Dawn,

The american was Dan Jackson. Here is his site.

http://www.geocities.com/sutek316/

He was waiting for this particular Bigfoot to rummage in this dumpster. He put cans with rocks between the lid and top edge of the dumpsters. There were 4 of them. When one off the dumpster lids were raised and the can hit the ground. The dumpster was two dumpsters down from where he was hiding with a large pistol. He could hear the Bigfoot moving around in the dumpster and got up to see. The Bigfoot was standing in the dumpster looking right at him. He fired at the creature the bullet went through the dumpster as it jumped out. He missed it. Dan thought it could have killed him with no problem as quick as it was. Once out of the dumpster it jumped a high fence into the woods and was gone in a matter of seconds. I drew the face he saw. [/img]

[dawn]

Thanks wasmussen, thats what I was thinking of. I can always remember the bits that catch my interest ,the why and where- for dosen't stick in LOL!

[Brendan88]

hey,
This thread has really got me thinking. I dont wanna come across as someone who thinks he knows anything about yowies coz to tell you the truth, i dont.
My mate tom (tommo on this site) got me to honestly believe in yowies about 3 weeks ago but i hav always had suspicions.
As i have said before in a few previous posts, i am always in the bush looking for reptiles. This means that i have really picked up my skills on noticing any changes around me in the bush, whether it be a movement, sound, track and even guts feelings as though im being watched (especially in the past few years).
The other week i was by myself in sum bushland near my house n i had a very strong feeling of fear, like i was being ambushed. I froze on the spot n waited. I heard nothing so i moved forward a little n pushed into a clearer area. I then heard sum leaves crush slightly n i froze again. Next thing i know, a stick lands about 5-10m ahead of me. I came from my right so it didnt fall out of a tree. I freaked out pretty bad n called out my mates names hopin it was a prank.
After that i saw nothing and heard nothing.
I really scanned the area n found nothing at all. How could something so large, even if it were smarter then me, avoid being detected at all in light bush by something that spends most spare time looking for any details which me help find an animal.
im beginning to sway to the paranormal side but i believe that there is a 'real' physical side aswell.
I dont understand it but im trying.
Just my thoughts,
Brendan.

[spacemonkey_acid]

I'm not to sure on the paranormal side of the yowie, as others have said there has been reports of yowies running off breaking branches etc but the thing that makes me think it is a animal of flesh and blood is the fact that no other creature on this planet really has any sort of ability to make itself disapear ,granted they could have some sort of cameleon like talent, which could explain quite a bit

that its so quiet i feel could be left to the fact that it spends its lifetime in the bush learning the best way to stalk its prey (lions do their best to stay downwind of their prey) i'm sure any country boy who has spent his life hunting in the bush up went up against say, someone who has been raised fishing each would excel were the other failed.

having said all that i would love to know if dean has or would ever consider getting a experienced aboriginal tracker to help out, i'm certainly not saying dean does not have the skills but someone like that could be invaluable

[Wally]

Why did he want to shoot the unfortunate critter for for Gods sake.
It was a wonderfull oppotunity to set up an observation post, and get all the evidence practical.
Like these Poms who considered me a nutter when I suggested setting up an observation post in Mrs Downes's enclosed back yard, when a critter was using it as a larder where to consume foxes.
I dont hold to the paranormal idea but these little fellows up in the Gammons can be invisable to adults yet visible to children. How. : : :
Elephants can remain hidden in cover until people have bumped into them. Usually this is the last thing they do do.
The unaccountable fear factor can be experienced also with big cats. Low frequency sound communication, common to large animals and some birds. Male emus have woken me up in the predawn, drumming to females announcing that he was there on the nest ready willing and waiting. It was only after I was awake and carefully listening that I could hear the bird. Bit like these boom boxes so popular nowdays, one can feel the vibration before hearing the infernal machines.
Regards to all Wally

[philt]

My 2 cents worth............................


There are many other animals that exist today that were once thought to be mythological monsters. For example:The mountain Gorilla (discovered 1901) that the inhabitants of Rwanda thought was a huge dark man like beast that swung through the tree tops emitting a fearful cry; Other examples that were once dismissed as mere folklore include the Pigmy Hippo, the Snow Leopard and the Giant Panda (China in 1936) and of course our very own Platypus. All these animals from the far corners of the world existed only as a myth until they were discovered by explorers. There are many other examples which to me, shows that Mother Nature has more imagination than we would have imagined ourselves.

The areas where Bigfoot is supposed to live are mostly highly inaccessible or covered with a dense vegetation that prevents any spotting from the sky.
The Pacific Northwest where Bigfoot is supposed to live, hides 73 aircraft lost from Northern California to Alaska since World War 2 (FAA figure). All still unaccounted for.

The other areas: the Himalayas mountains, the Borneo jungle, the Great Dividing Range and the Amazon RainForest are equally inaccessible to modern means of investigations, and are extremly hostile to man. Small groups of very cautious animals could easily remain hidden, even close to humans dwellings. All the once hidden or lost species are primitive animals that lack cunning and gile, whereas Bigfoot is a more evolved creature that can hide much easier from man.

So in a nutshell he is out there, we just have to find him. And with Dean on our side we have half a chance.

[Hans]

I couldn't agree more - if a large grove of completely unknown, prehistoric trees can remain hidden from all our wonderfull technology then I would imagine it would be rather easy for an intelligent, well camoflaged animal that can move to evade.

[philt]

I couldn't agree more - if a large grove of completely unknown, prehistoric trees can remain hidden from all our wonderfull technology then I would imagine it would be rather easy for an intelligent, well camoflaged animal that can move to evade.

Spot on Hans.

[Iggy_68]

I ask that same question to my friend who does fauna studies with her father.

She vehementley denies the existance of yowies , but If I bring up the Wollemi pine and how long it took for it to be discovered while standing in the same place for millions of years, we change the subject don't we...

[wasmussen]

Wally,
The guy who wanted to kill the Bigfoot feels like many in the US that it was the only answer. No One believes that it exists with pictures, film, hair samples, casts of prints, etc. They want a body and that would solve one factor of whether it is flesh or blood. It would bring a eye opening experience to all the nay-sayers whether science or the general public. The guy who shot at it quit looking for them because of family who thought it was too dangerous. He actually works for a living handling dangerous animals. This incident has left an impression on him and others.
I personally am not looking to be that close to one.

[Dean Harrison]

Due to our recent Para Vs F&B string causing so much interest, here is one from the past based on the same subject that I think is also worth reading. There was a lot of great contributions from everyone on the board.

DMH

[homerbear]

UFO's, paranormal, flesh and blood, many examples of if's and but's, don't get wrong each to their own, until we see the hard evidence well then we can all relax...sort of.
I haven't been to the site for a week and how things change...Hello nurse... so much 2 read Friday looks good...anyway drifting off the subject at hand, its great to c so many theories in play or maybe opinions, I think the UFO dropping off Yowie's to terrorise the locals is somewhat I dunno... far fetched, but that's my opinion, I mean they travel thousands of light years to drop off a yowie umm.. and I thought humans were stupid...HELLO, nothing vastly intelligent about that.. nothing like stirring the pot...

[deadpool]

Who's to say theres not a hairy space faring race somewhere out there in the galaxy?

But those aren't the ones we've been seeing (maybe?). I'm still sticking by the "giant prehistoric ape" theory 100%.

[Paul McNally]

The thing with Yowies and Bigfoots are that they have the same thing in common with extraterrestrials and ghosts. There is more than enough evidence to prove they exist, but they are denied recognition by our Governments.

Although I have only recently begun researching Yowies, I have been researching the paranormal and "unknown" all of my life, and one thing I know for sure is, the Government is not stupid. They know all about these things, they just don't want us to know.

At this stage, I believe the Yowie is not just a simple "flesh and blood" creature. If it was, there would be no reason whatsoever to suppress it's existence. And I believe what happened to Dean's files is proof that the Yowie's existance is being suppressed.

It may be that if the Yowie's existence is officially recognised, it will open up a huge can of worms. You can't reveal that apples exist without people eventually finding out they grow on trees. And the trees may be forbidden knowledge. Knowledge is power, and if you can suppress knowledge from people, you have power over them.

It is my belief, that the Yowie is an interdimensional being. Sometimes it leaves physical evidence, sometimes it does not. Plenty of sightings, but able to avoid being caught on camera. Able to project feelings into people. And to affect the environment with it's energies (sudden silence). Will attempt to scare people off, but rarely seems to cause physical harm even though it easily could. Glowing eyes.

And of course, the ability to suddenly disappear.

As I've said, I'm new at researching these particular beings, and I look forward to learning a lot from you all. But one thing I can assure you of. The world's leaders do not want you to know about interdimensional beings.

[Dion]

It is my belief, that the Yowie is an interdimensional being. Sometimes it leaves physical evidence, sometimes it does not. Plenty of sightings, but able to avoid being caught on camera. Able to project feelings into people. And to affect the environment with it's energies (sudden silence). Will attempt to scare people off, but rarely seems to cause physical harm even though it easily could. Glowing eyes.

And of course, the ability to suddenly disappear.

Hey Paul

Welcome to the board

Your thoughts and feelings towards the Yowie phenomenon are very similar to other peoples I look forward to reading more posts from you

[Lasso]

Wow what a great thread of information that stems back a long way. I like your thinking Paul. I have little knowledge of the yowie but with threads like these it opens my eyes to a lot of possibilities.

[Cositis]

I am not sure if they are flesh or fantasy, but i do know that i grew up in the pilliga and i spent alot of time in the scub, just walking,camping and building cubbys, the usual things kids get up to.I love the pilliga but there is something about it, i never felt normal there, sometimes i would just be out hiking or goat hunting and i would get this feeling, as though something was there but i never saw anything hair or footprints and the rest, the most unusual thing i ever saw was a few carcases and skeletons of roos and goats every now and again, but that could have just been dogs. So unfortunatly i am going to have to fence sit on this one.

Cositis.