SAS tackle Ormeau Yowie

[steve_tracker]

hi ppl`s.
not much on your profile tango ?
ever go camping much ?

[mikka]

And around in circles we go .....


Tango, why are you so hung up on this filming ?

Even with the best gear, filming at night in bushland is next to impossible.

I cant see the justification of carrying in extra KG's of weight, just on a chance you might encounter something and even a slimmer chance of getting some footage even remotely worth while. If they did get some footage, why do I get the idea you would be screaming its fake/guy in a suit etc.


BTW if your ever up this way, I will gladly drop you off at Ormeau and pick you back up a few days later, then you can actually decide for yourself just how feasible getting some video footage would be

[Alex]

If he ever made it out in one piece, that is. Was up there recently, heard some unusual stuff. Note to self: never ever, ever go there alone again ever.

[Ionfreeze]

Hello everyone, Im a long time reader and first time poster to this web site.

I read this report with awe and amazement. The idea that 2 men set up a camp to observe, make contact, egage, and chase a yowie is incredible! Im not a military expert, and Im not sure exactly what SAS is. I can only compare them to similar military units in the US. But I understood other termanology used in the report such as, flash bangs, trip wire flares, NVG and IR.

Im a bit confused to why anyone would start a fire and cook meals while on such a mission. Maybe Im missing something, but isnt stealth the name of the game? Why go through the trouble of dressing in camo and picking a concealed site if your just going to give your position away with a fire?

I agree that a camera would have been useless. Considering the terrain and thick brush any images captured would have been dismissed.

I think that dropping the sniper rifle was a good choice. In the dense brush it wouldve acted like an anchor making traveling a nightmare. I think the .45 handguns wouldve been the weapon of choice in that situation. Even a round from that weapon in the right spot would do the trick.

And to the 2 SAS members who chased the yowie.... all I can say is that they have bigger balls than me. I wouldve been out of there at the first grunt.

Id like to read all the reports before and after this event. Has the yowies activities increased or decreased? Im curious to know what effect this had.

Ionfreeze

[Alex]

The SAS are basically the Australian version of Delta Force. As far as I can tell, anyway. (if i'm thinking about the right delta force).

[shane323]

sas is short for special air service. the full title is sasr r standing for regiment. to compare them to us delta force is an insult to them. they are more like us navy seals. they are based in perth and are currently engaged in the war in afghanistan and also in iraq. the are considered by most to be the best of the best even by the yanks.

[Aaron]

i have been to ormeau

[mikka]

Funny that

[mikka]

Im a bit confused to why anyone would start a fire and cook meals while on such a mission. Maybe Im missing something, but isnt stealth the name of the game? Why go through the trouble of dressing in camo and picking a concealed site if your just going to give your position away with a fire?

Think of the BBQ as an attractant and a here I am, with the guy in camo the person likely to have first contact with a "something"

Id like to read all the reports before and after this event. Has the yowies activities increased or decreased? Im curious to know what effect this had.

There are a few on the website but basically it is still their

[Ionfreeze]

Holding a BBQ to attract a yowie in? Interesting idea! It make sense.

Now I wont be able to flip a burger in the back yard without looking over my shoulder.

Ionfreeze

[Moroseth]

I really couldn't be stuffed reading all of this and shutting down ever point that half of you dim witted idiots have posted. I'm going to assume that somewhere in this report it has a referance to the SAS and an Australian town and an australian taske foce. The SASR are Australia's task foce not the SAS, they are British this simple fact right here should prove to you that this report is bogus. No member of an elite fighting force would ever forget the abbrevition, and i would no. So face it this is either written by somebody with little military knowledge and if therefore not true or these 'SAS' guys are extremaly reterded. Explain this Dean, tell me how your going to tell me that this is wrong because then if you can i will simply find another point and prove to you that that is fake and so on and so forth.

[mothman]

I really couldn't be stuffed reading all of this and shutting down ever point that half of you dim witted idiots have posted. I'm going to asume that somewhere in this report it has a referance to the SAS and an Australian town and an australian taske foce. The SASR are Australia's task force not the SAS, they are British this simple fact right here should prove to you that this report is bogus. No member of an elite fighting force would ever forget the abbreviation, and i would no. So face it this is either written by somebody with little military knowledge and if therefore not true or these 'SAS' guys are extremely retarded. Explain this Dean, tell me how your going to tell me that this is wrong because then if you can i will simply find another point and prove to you that that is fake and so on and so forth.

[mothman]

and i would no{know}

[Moroseth]

Thanks mothman i'd taking that as a compliment i only had 1 mistake. Dean i'm trying to presuade you to my style of thinking, trying to convince you that my opinion is right(not saying that it is, we obviously have different opinions). I understand that you do this and nice work for putting in the effort and time but i'm just trying to get you to see all of the holes in the storey. I'm not going to argue any of those points for now, doesn't seem like it's the right time to do so. I don't want you to just avoid the topic and tell me i'm right (i know that's sarcasm anyway) i quite like having debates between 2 parties to see which wins or is has a more logical approach but enough is enough, maybe we will continue this some other time.

[Moroseth]

Thanks mothman i'm taking that as a compliment i only had 1 mistake. Dean i'm trying to persuade you to my style of thinking, trying to convince you that my opinion is right(not saying that it is, we obviously have different opinions). I understand that you do this and nice work for putting in the effort and time but i'm just trying to get you to see all of the holes in the storey. I'm not going to argue any of those points for now, doesn't seem like it's the right time to do so. I don't want you to just avoid the topic and tell me i'm right (i know that's sarcasm anyway) i quite like having debates between 2 parties to see which wins or is has a more logical approach but enough is enough, maybe we will continue this some other time.

[b_r_j]

Everybody is entilted to their own opinions, doesn't mean yours is right or wrong. I guess it depends on things you have seen or heard and for some this site helps them make heads and tails of certain incidents. If you believe Dean is lying, why come to the site? Why even bother pointing all these petty and trivial points out? Why not just laugh to yourself and get on with life? Do you go to faery and angel websites and point out that these arent real either:?:
To Dean - Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I have been a long time reader of the site and I think if you were going to BS us, you could think up a whole lot better and exciting tale to spin us, maybe even throw in a yowie capture and how it got away on you while you were loading it into a cage


PS If I made a spelling mistake, I'm sorry, I would love to say I'm perfect but unfortunately I am only human

[Romeo]

b_r_j could not have said it better.

Why? What's the point? Does it make you feel better to put other people down?

The whole idea of this forum is for people with positive ideas and opinions to share them for the greater understanding of everyone.

Not for some skirt with short-man syndrome to suddenly have a power-trip and tell everyone they're wrong.

Go and tell some kid that Santa Claus isn't real. Will that make you feel good?

Dork.

[shane323]

moroseth who ever you are you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. i come from a family that has links both past and present to the australian army and live in a town that has a large military presence and everyone refers to the sas as just that the SAS they don't go round calling it the sasr. so before you make statements check your facts. if you don't like what you read then i'm sure there is a skeptics site you can join.
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WHEREVER YOU GO THERE YOU ARE

[Moroseth]

Romeo yes it does make me feel better to put people down, especially when they set themselves up as much as some of you guys did. Shane323 i'm going to asume your about 8 and don't even know what's going on in your own life. How can you say i have no idea what i'm talking about? I'll show you plain and simple there is no Australian task force named the SAS, only the SASR. Go to google and search SAS with australian only filter on and tell me what you come up with. Nothing officialy Australian is it? Now that i've proved you wrong hopefully you've realised that your an idiot and should "make statements check your facts." Now got off and insult somebody with an IQ of lower than 30 so that they can't shut you down and you can feel that you're a respectible and intelligent human being.

[Moroseth]

Romeo yes it does make me feel better to put people down, especially when they set themselves up as much as some of you guys did. Shane323 i'm going to asume your about 8 and don't even know what's going on in your own life. How can you say i have no idea what i'm talking about? I'll show you plain and simple there is no Australian task force named the SAS, only the SASR. Go to google and search SAS with australian only filter on and tell me what you come up with. Nothing officialy Australian is it? Now that i've proved you wrong hopefully you've realised that your an idiot and should "make statements check your facts." Now go off and insult somebody with an IQ of lower than 30 so that they can't shut you down and you can feel that you're a respectable and intelligent human being.

[Moroseth]

Yes triple post... I'm tired and i don't know how to edit(is there an edit button?) so yeah theres bound to be a few mistakes in their, shouldn't matter though because i've won the argument anyway.

[shane323]

moroseth it appears that you're someone who can't take citicism is your real name john howard i dn not neeed to check my facts on google because my facts come from real people not the internet like yourself perhaps you should get out more and see what it is like in the real world

[mikka]

Go to google and search SAS with australian only filter on and tell me what you come up with

Funny I got 461,000 Hits ..... http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q ... DcountryAU

Moroseth I think you should read this .... http://www.defence.gov.au/media/Departm ... entId=2761

I think someone should tell the Department of Defence they don't exist

[shane323]

it appears that moroseth is incorrect perhaps he or she has a different google to everyone else

[Dean Harrison]

Each to their own opinion, some with basis and some without.... Nice call Mikka.

It was actually myself that called them SAS, not themselves.

Either way, it doesn't matter what objectors/sceptics think... Some of us are closer to the facts than others and have been informed at a closer level than some passers bye reading this forum.

Let it go now. We passed on info that should have perhaps been kept to ourselves. Anything sensational can be scrutinised, ridiculed and dissected by anyone who has an agenda on any opposition side of the table.

"Any person viewing this website and contributing to the forum has an interest in the subject - they didn't simply stumble across it for no reason".

Thanks to those who believe what we put out to be fact. I would never have it any other way.

DMH

[tango]

WHAT??
NOW THEY NEVER WERE SAS ..... DEAN JUST "THOUGHT" THEY MIGHT BE?

Dean's post:
Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:46 am:
"Fabrication Tango? Really.........
Firstly, they ARE SAS, because I know them. To say they are not would be directly calling ME a liar. This is fact - what you were saying was not fact."

and later in the same post......
"They ARE SAS and I know this as FACT and I still correspond with one of them. Have done so for close on to 5 years now."

Deano.....If you are going to bullshit at least try to be consistent.

That said, I respect your site for not banning me.Maybe this will do it.

[Moroseth]

Well i made a post before but it didn't send for some stupid reason so i'm just going to make a summary of what i said before. Shane232 your an idiot, i can't understand half of the stuff that you write and the bits that i do understand are stupid calls like "get a life" and you don't even know me, so i can tell that it's just something petty that an idiot like you (who can't think of smart things to write) uses. Mikka i searched something completely random and got more hits then you did : http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&s ... %3Dlang_en yeah so suck it it seems that more people care about giant muster faces than the Australian SAS, which i think partly has to do with the fact that there isn't such thing. Also i know quite alot on the topic of the military and elite squads and such and there are much, much more references to the SASR NOT the SAS.
So yeah you guys just got shut down, think of something smart to say next time your going to try to prove me wrong or whatever. And Dean i thought you were smart enough to realise what a true good call is.
Moroseth
P.S Hopefully this time you guys will think of some good calls to use on me that won't result in your getting shut back down and proved wrong multiple times.

[mikka]

Is it school holidays again

[Dean Harrison]

They were SAS as we know "SAS" and you knew exactly were we meant.

If some prefer to call them SASR, then so be it. The media call them SAS and we have always referred to them as SAS in short (as most people do).

Nit picking yet again and being totally ridiculous. If that this is now the main focus of your witch hunt, then you really have no point to make and are grasping at straws in an attempt for an argument.

DMH

[Dean Harrison]

Just Google Australian SAS and you'll see that most people leave the word "regiment' off the end. I look forward to reading your formal complaints to the Australian Newspaper, Herald Sun, Sydney Morning Herald, ACA, TT and all the other media outlets.

Sydney Morning Herald - Read these articles carefully...

SAS reveal the war they fought
By Tom Allard, with the 1st SAS regiment in Iraq
April 25 2003




Australian soldiers from the 4th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (Commando) patrol and clear buildings at a major Iraqi airbase in western Iraq. Photo: Courtesy ADF



An Australian flag now flies over al-Asad air base. Once home of the Iraqi air force, its capture last week effectively marks the end of what were probably the most intense operations in the history of this SAS regiment. And also, the Australians say, a new beginning for Iraq.

The 57 Soviet-made MiGs, helicopters, anti-aircraft batteries, helicopters and 7.9 million kilograms of munitions and ordnance captured will form the basis of the "free Iraq air force" and it is a matter of considerable pride for men who never doubted the value of their mission.

According to the regiment's operational commander, who cannot be named or photographed and is surprisingly young, probably in his late 20s or early 30s, "we are very, very proud we have made Iraq a viable nation state".

Whether Iraq emerges from this war as a stronger state will depend very much on whether the United States-led reconstruction team can unite the country's fractious components but there is little doubt about the contribution of the 150-strong regiment to the swift military victory.

Within an hour of crossing into Iraq, the regiment was engaged in its first firefight. In the first 48 hours there were two more big battles but no sleep.



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The SAS may specialise in reconnaissance and stealth but in this war they took on a new dimension. It was not simply a matter of calling in air strikes or other forces to deal with an identified enemy: the SAS took on that task themselves, initiating numerous conflicts.

Their targets were suspected sites for weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles from which troops of neighbouring states could be attacked. Using rocket-propelled grenades, machine-guns mounted on their long-range patrol vehicles or shoulder-mounted Javelin anti-tank missiles, they destroyed many in the opening days of the conflict.

Along the way they encountered Iraqi forces trained especially to counter US, British and Australian special forces teams. They used modified utilities carrying heavy weaponry and often they disguised themselves as civilians or Bedouin tribesmen.

One of the Iraqis' tactics was for a vehicle to surrender, encouraging the SAS to continue forward. Then their compatriots would hit the SAS patrol vehicles in an ambush.

They were, the commander says, "very experienced, very aggressive and very good at what they did".

"I have no doubt they thought we were a much larger force." The SAS were outnumbered, but surprise and stealth and superior weaponry enabled them to "poke out their eyes" and "crush their spirit and will" to force the enemy to "run or surrender".

SAS patrols have also intercepted a number of convoys with fleeing Iraqi regime leaders on their way out of Iraq, and caught Arab fighters answering Saddam Hussein's call for a jihad coming the other way.

In their final act of the campaign, the entire squadron - who usually operate in patrols of five of six members that are widely dispersed - came together with commandos from the 4RAR battalion to take the al-Asad airfield.

Australian F/A18 bombers helped with air support. "It was nice to listen to an Aussie voice on the other end of the radio," the commander says. "It was even better when they told us we had won the World Cup."

Australian SAS Regiment in Vietnam

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The Australian SAS Regiment " The Jungle Ghosts " arrived in South Vietnam on the 15th June 1966. Three fighting Squadrons served in rotation in the Phouc Tuy Province 70 kilometers south east of Saigon. On the 26 June 3 Squadron commenced operations from its base at Nui Dat. Their role was intelligence gathering and recon. Specifically, they were to find the whereabouts, movements and habits of the two main force enemy units in Phuoc Tuy province. Members of the Squadrons had already been in Vietnam since 1962 as advisers. The Squadrons performance won great praise from their American allies as they carried out deep reconnaissance and ambush patrols. In Vietnam the Australian SAS developed new tactics for Helicopter insertion and extraction. The SAS patrols had such an impact on the VC that one report stated that the VC had placed a bounty of $US5,000 dead or alive on the head of each 'Ma Rung' - Phantoms of the Jungle. January 1967 a Australian SAS patrol became engaged in fire fight with a large enemy group and one SAS patrol member was wounded. The patrol was extracted under fire. The injured soldier was returned to Australia for treatment, but due to complications he died. He was the first SAS and only Australian SAS to die from enemy action.

1 Squadron, SAS departed Vietnam on the 16th of February 1968. They were replaced by 2 Squadron. During their tour 1 Squadron mounted 246 patrols, killed 83 VC and sighted 405 enemy. Their own casualties were one died of wounds (DOW) and one wounded (WIA). On the 21st of February 1969, 3 Squadron SAS arrived to replace 2 Squadron SAS who had completed their first tour. During their tour the 2 Squadron accounted for 151 VC with a further 22 possibles. 3 Squadron SAS completed their on the 18th of January. They were replaced by 2 Squadron SAS. During their tour 3 Squadron had mounted 230 operations with 78 contacts resulting in 144 enemy KIA plus 32 possibles. The Squadrons withdrew from South Vietnam in 1972. Many of the men who had served in Vietnam went on to become instructors at the SAS Jungle warfare school in Malaya



March 29, 2003
Saturday


The truth about the Aussie SAS...
Samizdata Illuminatus (Arkham, Massachusetts) Military affairs
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There has been some speculation about why the Australian military contribution to the war in Iraq has not received anything like the coverage that the American (obviously) and British forces have.

Well the reasons are twofold: firstly, the size of the force is a great deal smaller as it is made up of the elite Australian Special Air Service (which is operating in conjunction with their British SAS and American Delta Force & SEAL counterparts)... and secondly the fact they are special forces means operational security is paramount. The Aussies are famous in Special Forces circles for their ability to survive without resupply for long periods of time, something very useful when operating behind enemy lines. Just how they do this is a closely guarded secret.

However there is another more... puzzling... aspect to the lack of news, considering the Australians are the only group to invite the Al-Jazeera TV channel to embed journalists with them. A recently broadcast signal from a Australian SAS unit 'somewhere in Iraq' made mention that they had run out of embedded journalists and could they send a couple more out, preferably less stringy ones this time. It is unclear what the significance of that last remark was.

The Australian Special Air Service Regiment in Afghanistan
Australian Special Forces were deployed to Afghanistan in December 2001.

28th December saw members of the SASR join US Special Forces for a three day assault on an al-Qaeda training facility located in Southern Afghanistan. The Australian SAS were largely responsible for planning, initial reconnaissance and surveillance of the site. The site was later found uninhabited and a search of the compound, caves and tunnel networks found documents relating to terrorist activities and large stocks of ammunition and explosives.

On 16th February, Sergeant Andrew Russell was killed by a landmine while on patrol late at night. Another SAS soldier, Christian Salvatore, suffered a serious foot injury from a landmine in another incident.

Operation Anaconda
Operation Anaconda began on 2nd March 2002 and involved some 2,000 Coalition troops, including about 900 Americans from the 10th Mountain Division and the 101st Airborne, about 1,000 Allied Afghan soldiers and 200 Allied Special Forces from Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany and Norway. 100 Australian SAS were involved.

In November 2002, the first Australian SAS troops began to return to Australia.


The Australian Newspaper
Title: SAS widow calls for landmine ban

November 10, 2005
WAR widow Kylie Russell has pleaded with the Government to ban anti-vehicle mines, which killed her SAS soldier husband in Afghanistan.

Mrs Russell, the widow of Special Air Service Sergeant Andrew Russell, lost her husband on the war-on-terror battlefield in February 2002.

Since her husband's death, she has been campaigning to bring about a total ban on landmines.

Mrs Russell was in Canberra today for the release of the 2005 report on Government Attitudes to Anti-Vehicle Mines (AVMs), by the Australian Network to Ban Landmines.

Australia is among several countries that support restrictions on AVMs but have not yet backed a total ban.