Footprint

[missm4mi]

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FOOTPRINT

PHOTOGRAPHED AT:

LOCATION: Toowoomba, Great Dividing Range, South East Queensland.

POSTCODE: 4352.

DAY & DATE: Saturday, July 7th 2018.

TIME: 5.22pm

WEATHER CONDITION: Overcast with occasional light showers of rain. Previous day - same weather conditions.

LANDFORM: Steep mountains & Scarps, frequent sandstone rock outcrops & stoney areas along the mountain ridge top.

SOIL TYPE: Very shallow light compacted clay between stretches of sandstone.

FOOTPRINT MEASUREMENTS:
Heal to Toe: 16 inches, or 40 centimeters.
Width: at widest point across - 6.2 inches,
or 15.5 centimeters.

[ripperton]

Reckon hes a 3 toe ?

[ronstar2]

good find

[Shazzoir]

I see four toes - this seems like very positive evidence, well done!

[Wolf]

If it's a foot it looks like five toes, but the 'foot' has a high arch while the hairy blokes don't have any arch in thier foot.

[Hominidhunter]

I don’t want to be “ that guy” but I’m seeing 3 footprints.

[missm4mi]

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[missm4mi]

Interpret as you wish. I post topics with photographic evidence and facts.

Hominidhunter - if you don't want to be "that guy" - then don't BE THAT GUY - keep your unwelcome negative comments to yourself and please refrain from posting on my topics of discussion.

[Mad Academic]

A little harsh, I thought, Missm4mi.

I thought the whole idea of a forum was to post ideas, theories, photos, etc and wait for the comments.
Some will be supportive and positive, some neutral, some negative.

I don't believe HH's comments were meant to be negative or disparaging of your post.
In fact, I was thinking exactly along the same lines...there seem to be 3 "blobs" in the photo and I was trying to understand how they could form an image of 1 or 2 feet. I was initially wondering if it could be a photo of footprints of a very large wombat that have overlapped, in much the same way as front and back footprints of North American bears have been proven to do so and have thus been mistaken for Bigfoot prints.

Don't misunderstand me; I believe the creatures exist. I'm just not sure that every photo or bone or piece of hair is representative of them.

best regards,

Mad Academic

[Hominidhunter]

Ok, sorry. But if my comment was offensive, you’re in for one hell of a ride!

[Hominidhunter]

MA, I thought the same thing, overlapping wombat, really need to put a tape measure on these things, but it’s still better than some of the bandicoot scratchings that get held high as foot prints, you know the ones, bare earth surrounded by leaf titter.

[Wolf]

...and certainly better than the 'mysterious' emu track J&J posted as an unknown cryptid...

[Hominidhunter]

Hi wolf, and yes to that

[missm4mi]

wombats in Toowoomba? ...
do go on. ...

tell me more. ...

maybe - you all should of gone to spec-savers!!!

[Wolf]

I personally know many wombats in Toowoomba... the Flannelette shirts give them away.

[inthedark]

A little harsh, I thought, Missm4mi.

I thought the whole idea of a forum was to post ideas, theories, photos, etc and wait for the comments.
Some will be supportive and positive, some neutral, some negative.


best regards,

Mad Academic

Well said, MA. If you're going to put yourself out there with 'evidence', be prepared to have it discussed. That's the point of this place, innit? Or at least I hope it is. Would hate to think it's an echo chamber of mindless approval

[Dion]

A little harsh, I thought, Missm4mi.

I thought the whole idea of a forum was to post ideas, theories, photos, etc and wait for the comments.
Some will be supportive and positive, some neutral, some negative.


best regards,

Mad Academic

Well said, MA. If you're going to put yourself out there with 'evidence', be prepared to have it discussed. That's the point of this place, innit? Or at least I hope it is. Would hate to think it's an echo chamber of mindless approval

Spot on MA and Inthedark, we should be critiquing in all circumstances the "echo chamber for mindless approval" is a good way at describing the negative side where everything just gets accepted, ask the hard questions folks or else we will get nowhere.

[Mad Academic]

wombats in Toowoomba? ...
do go on. ...

tell me more. ...

maybe - you all should of gone to spec-savers!!!

Well touche to you, miss.
I should have checked the distribution of wombats before I posted, shouldn't I?
The common wombat does extend into southern Queensland, but not as far as Toowoomba.
Still, my mistake does not make your "Yowie track" any more real.
I see only 3 "blobs". Maybe it is not I who should be visiting Specsavers?

[Hominidhunter]

Hi Wolf, Dont worry about that, wombats have legs and their distribution will be subject to environmental factors, bit like birds, they have wings and can fly. Simply stating that an animal does or doesnt exist in a location, can only be attributed to the environmental conditions when that survey was carried out. Heres 2 examples, my relatives have a farm at Goodooga NSW, one drought year they had a Brolga stay for several months and eat with the sheep (craked corn and cotton sead) , this yeah due to the drought, my brother has seen red kangaroos near Armidale on the great dividing range.

[Wolf]

Hi Wolf, Dont worry about that, wombats have legs and their distribution will be subject to environmental factors, bit like birds, they have wings and can fly. Simply stating that an animal does or doesnt exist in a location, can only be attributed to the environmental conditions when that survey was carried out. Heres 2 examples, my relatives have a farm at Goodooga NSW, one drought year they had a Brolga stay for several months and eat with the sheep (craked corn and cotton sead) , this yeah due to the drought, my brother has seen red kangaroos near Armidale on the great dividing range.

The wombats I was referring to are of the two-legged variety.

[Searcher]

I personally know many wombats in Toowoomba... the Flannelette shirts give them away.

I knew what you meant, Wolf... and I must say I got a good laugh out of it!

[missm4mi]

easier to find trolls, then yowies.

it is absolutely clear now why yowies avoid getting close to humans. because they know better!!! research concluded.

all I see in the comments on this topic here is mindless unintelligent - blah blah blah.

armchair warriors with nothing else to do or say. with no topic relevant photos or new and interesting information to add to this forum.

I will post my interesting finds for the genuine people here on this forum. .. and with a bit of luck the "foes" will keep their comments to themselves and think before they type.

this footprint topic thread was looking good until the "foes'" wrecked it.

so how does one lock a topic?

[missm4mi]

hominidhunter, mad academic, in the dark, dion, and searcher, have all earned yourselves instant foe status.
wolf you were only going to get a warning but - you can join them as well.

[Wolf]

... terribly sorry... you seem to have mistaken me for someone who would give a .

The point is, this 'field' cops far more than its share of hoaxers, attention-seekers, and genuine serious sufferers of various mental conditions (as any time on forums such as this will indicate).

It also is NOT made up of 'real' scientists with the necessary scientific training to add ANY credibility to the 'field'.

Most of us out of necessity apply Occam's Razor and the Devil's Advocate position in order to try and give this field of endeavour at least SOME credibility.

In fact EVERY serious 'researcher' SHOULD apply these same principles to EVERY bit of 'evidence' they find. To do otherwise is to risk damaging the field even further.

Some of those 'armchair warriors' you mention have probably been 'in the field' since before you were born.
If you come up with something you believe may be credible, here is the best place to post it. Then you know you will get some very intelligent, experienced people trying to debunk it (if they can). By trying to debunk evidence (finding possible other causes for the reported phenomenon, whether it be a game cam shot, sound recording of footsteps, or a footprint) is the ONLY way to remove other non-Yowie possibilities and thus conclude the 'evidence' has any credibility.

The 'armchair warriors' know from experience that 'not everything is Bigfoot'.

They also know that it is far too easy to take the mindset that every little tree break, cockatoo bite into a tree, rock stack, and wallaby thump IS the hairy bloke... that is the path to even more public ridicule and further disparagement of this field.

[Austral]

We're all in the same game here guys ! To get back on track, i recon it does look like a good print. 16" long, has five toes and mayby a smaller one stepped on the same footprint aswell.
It does appear to have a high arch but that could just be the yellow dirt washed across the footprint as was stated, there was light swowers.
Well worth posting ! So hopefully you will keep doing so missm4mi.

[Yowie bait]

Yes i agree with Austral and keep posting your finds if you think they are worthy. Not everyone will agree though. You could observe a yowie making the print and would still recieve a negative response from some on the forum.

Dont let these few bad eggs ruin the batch.

[Dion]

... terribly sorry... you seem to have mistaken me for someone who would give a .

The point is, this 'field' cops far more than its share of hoaxers, attention-seekers, and genuine serious sufferers of various mental conditions (as any time on forums such as this will indicate).

It also is NOT made up of 'real' scientists with the necessary scientific training to add ANY credibility to the 'field'.

Most of us out of necessity apply Occam's Razor and the Devil's Advocate position in order to try and give this field of endeavour at least SOME credibility.

In fact EVERY serious 'researcher' SHOULD apply these same principles to EVERY bit of 'evidence' they find. To do otherwise is to risk damaging the field even further.

Some of those 'armchair warriors' you mention have probably been 'in the field' since before you were born.
If you come up with something you believe may be credible, here is the best place to post it. Then you know you will get some very intelligent, experienced people trying to debunk it (if they can). By trying to debunk evidence (finding possible other causes for the reported phenomenon, whether it be a game cam shot, sound recording of footsteps, or a footprint) is the ONLY way to remove other non-Yowie possibilities and thus conclude the 'evidence' has any credibility.

The 'armchair warriors' know from experience that 'not everything is Bigfoot'.

They also know that it is far too easy to take the mindset that every little tree break, cockatoo bite into a tree, rock stack, and wallaby thump IS the hairy bloke... that is the path to even more public ridicule and further disparagement of this field.

Nicely put

I applaud anyone that has the foresight to share there research with others, whether it be Photos, Videos or any other type of data, we all love to see others research, but bear in mind though... it will be and should always be put through the hoops, and just because it looks like a print, tree break or any other anomaly doesn't mean its always Yowie.

If someone finds a disagreement or criticism to the data being given and shared, there should not be a tantrum or hissy fit because of that disagreement, unless we want to live in a world where free speech is condemned and we cant say something in case of offending or triggering someone's response.

[Dion]

BTW: Polite debate is what this forum is about, if people cant handle a bit of that they may as well go to knitting class or take up Lawn bowls.

[Shazzoir]

There is a massive difference between the two types of comment seen here in this very short thread.
a) Making a respectful comment, even if it may seem negatively phrased and
b) Making a flippant or disrespectful comment either from misunderstanding, or pure emotion (as if responding to a perceived verbal attack)

In her first thread, missm4mi stated she is very new to this, and still trying to figure out if what she is seeing is due to natural phenomena (in the case of the tree structures, the bones from predation of some animal) or something a little less common, i.e., potentially the actions or movements of a Yowie.

She then posted a foot print in this thread and documented the conditions it was found in which is admirable. I am of the belief that missm4mi posted a photograph in a genuine attempt to make sense of what she was seeing. Hominidhunter pointed out that it may not be a single print, but something made by a smaller creature, and missm4mi, you responded with a bit of over-reaction, to my eyes, sorry. He didn't make any 'negative' comments, only mentioned what he thought he could see, and you in turn, gave him a bit of an earful.

I get that if you have convictions about something, it can be aggravating, if you believe someone is crapping on your beliefs and findings, and sometimes over-reactions happen.

Mad Academic said it very well in his comment, I thought, by gently pointing this out, respectfully, and offering his reasons for thinking that way.

Calling the folks who replied 'Internet trolls' is a bit much, they merely pointed out other possibilities, which let's face it - we do for every photo or description that poses questions with answers that aren't abundantly clear. Please don't mistake discussion and questions about your finds, as 'trolling'-they aren't. Smart-arse replies however, are another thing entirely, and are often used to derail a thread. Respect works both ways, and if anyone is going to jump on anyone for some suggestion or question they've made, or for posting a photo in the first place, we should all remember this. Once one negative comment appears, then others are sure to follow, as people defend their beliefs and opinions, or experience.

Everything posted here will be discussed.

Everything posted here will be looked at for explainable, often mundane, reasons, because often, that's what causes some things we have seen here previously - this forum has been running since 2005, and some of us have long association (and memories of threads posted) here. We've seen some shonky rubbish, some blatant fakers, and frustratingly, a whole lot of stuff we still can't explain away scientifically, or by other means.

Which leaves a goodly chunk of what we talk about here, being given a 'maybe it IS a Yowie'.... Without discounting anyone's experiences, we walk a fine line of trying to make sense of everything, winnowing out the chaff to find the valuable grains of truth. Please don't be offended when people here do what any scientific group would do... look for other known causes first, before saying 'Yep, it's a Yowie'. In turn, it's important to make sure we respond to other posters as if we were speaking face to face with them, that is, with respect.

If we lose this aspect of communication, don't be surprised if you get testy at strangers on the internet, they may well respond in kind. Don't then get annoyed that they did the same to you.

Anyway, do what you like, I don't own you. It's just that sometimes we lose sight of how we're talking to others via a keyboard, and I hate seeing people get fired up over little c**p like this, that can turn into big problems. We're all here for the same reason, anyway. Please keep posting pics and your observations, I find them greatly interesting.

Shazz

[Yowie bait]

A tape measure or some type of guide to the size would be useful too. No one here is going to take your word for it. Some of the members here know the prints very well.