Paranormal vs Flesh and Blood - an occultist's perspective.

[Yowie bait]

I believe I have a good example of Bigfoot having inter-dimensional abilities or at least some of them being able to affect radio frequencies. One of them intercepted my ghost box session here in Auckland back in early 2015 after returning from years living in the USA (the message gets repeated); note I have done paranormal investigating for a while and with teams in the past. Check it out (from around the 7:20 mark) this is amazing and real, they aren't dumb apes: https://youtu.be/ZVi-KaD9FSg
thoughts?

Ive listened a few times and did hear it . Not sure if it was because i was expecting it though!

Do you ever get messages from spirits without using the ghost box?

[Hauntedman]

Yes yowiebait I have had many personal encounters and sometimes terrifying like something out of a horror movie. Had experiences with those who passed on (family members) that I never met in the flesh so to speak, some of those I have gotten verifying information that the encounter actually happened. I have some EVP's from one night in an apartment I lived in Vegas. Listen to these EVPs I got all in one night when I saw and heard them I place a voiced activated recorded near my bed: https://hauntedman.net/2013/11/08/e-v-p-time/ (they are pretty clear to hear)

[Yowie bait]

Yes yowiebait I have had many personal encounters and sometimes terrifying like something out of a horror movie. Had experiences with those who passed on (family members) that I never met in the flesh so to speak, some of those I have gotten verifying information that the encounter actually happened. I have some EVP's from one night in an apartment I lived in Vegas. Listen to these EVPs I got all in one night when I saw and heard them I place a voiced activated recorded near my bed: https://hauntedman.net/2013/11/08/e-v-p-time/ (they are pretty clear to hear)

Wow I dont know what they were saying but that is really freaky and scary!

[sensesonfire]

The physical Yowie versus the paranormal Yowie?

Just how smart is the physical Yowie? because without it's paranormal ability the intelligence of this creature is highly debatable. Let's take a look at what is presumed of his physical attributes.
1. Knocks on trees as a form of communication
2. Uses sticks displayed on the ground also a form of communication.
3. Throws sticks or stones as a warning
4. Breaks down trees for whatever reason
5. Hunts and kills for food somewhat questionable as can't be proven
6. Has been observed looking through windows
Do all these actions equate to the physical Yowie? doubtful because Yowies have never been observed fulfilling any of the above except for number 6.
If this is the physical Yowie then I would have to place him way below Homo-Erectus as this early form of mankind harnessed the use of fire as a warming agent and for cooking food 1.7 to 0.2 million years ago.
Not very intelligent after all is the Yowie.

Now let's look at the paranormal Yowie or Bigfoot.

1. Has the ability to appear and disappear in front of our eyes. Able to be 10 foot away and no visual eye contact.
2. Able to move at speeds humans cannot comprehend.
3. The ability to levitate.
4. Leaves no visible footprints
5. Can run with no arm or leg movement
6. Has been witnessed in pixelated form
7. No discovery of a body or skeletal remains (that can be proven)
8. Has been observed ascending and descending from orbs
9. Has been observed in the company of UFO's
10. Appears to have bioluminescent abilities,tapetum lucidum although humans and great apes do not have this quality.

Cannot anybody see a huge disparity from what we imagine to be the physical Yowie and the supernatural. It goes from being a fundamental backward creature to one of unbelievable intelligence.

In my opinion the mystical Yowie is the dominant one but able to project himself in physical form if desired but I also believe the physical Yowie has yet to be proven until such time a body is produced.

[sensesonfire]

The flesh and blood advocates of the Yowie/Bigfoot versus the paranormal aspects of the Yowie/Bigfoot.
I've said before that I believe these creatures are a combination of the physical and supernatural. I avoid using the term flesh and blood because it could be misconstrued with an anatomical evaluation of human flesh and blood and DNA.
Here is a video that lends support to my theories regarding the blood of these cryptids tune in at 8:07 I know a lot of YouTube videos can be notoriously fake but I conclude this one to be somewhat legitimate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eDL31aWBYY

[sensesonfire]

Please ignore the above video due to fake content

[Black]

Which is the fake content, seasonsonfire? The whole video, or just parts of it?

[sensesonfire]

Which is the fake content, seasonsonfire? The whole video, or just parts of it?

It's not the video content I have an issue with but the references of names in the army. These soldiers were under threat of court marshal and here they are being mentioned by name in a public video I just don't accept that the army would have allowed this. So if there is any hint of conjecture the entire video has to be suspect except the 911 call at the beginning that was a fact IMO.

[Black]

I don't have an issue with the names. The main soldier's name is, "Gadoy". That could be a pseudonym.

The reason for my interest, is about ten years ago, I was investigating a series of yowie sightings around a house on a rural property at Leyburn, half an hour South of Toowoomba.

On this day, I had spent a couple of hours in the afternoon, interviewing witnesses, and one of the main witnesses, a man in his 30's dismissed the sightings as a prank.

I returned to Toowoomba just after sunset and received a frantic call from the lady of the house. She was in a state and I could hear commotion in the background. She told me the man in his 30's who had refused to speak to me about strange creature sightings aside from implying it was a previous owner back looking for his buried drug money, had just spotted it, standing between the sheets hanging on their backyard clothes line. It was looking in towards their teenage daughter's bedroom window, as it had been seen doing on previous occasions, and she had spotted it and alerted the adults.

He then loaded up his rifle and was chasing it. I then heard ove the phone, a male yell something in the distance, and a rifle shot ring out. A few minutes later, he got on the phone, short of breath, and he sounded very similar to the guy in the 911 phone call.

He related he chased it, and fired over it's head, and saw it run into an old derelict sheep shed and out an open door at the other end. He was short of breath and apologetic for not talking with me honestly about it earlier. He described it as a person wearing some baggy hairy costume, and extremely fast.

Were they pranking me for a laugh? I'll never know, but they both sounded pretty convincing.

That investigation ended some weeks later when one night, the lady and kids were home alone, and something was prowling the perimeter of her house making a terrifying noise. She called police and an officer arrived. He looked for the prowler to no avail, and took them all to a friend's place. They never spent another night in the house and shortly afterward, moved out.

If I had recorded that phone call with the couple, it would have sounded as convincing, if not more so, than that 911 call. I do recall questioning the legitimacy of it at the time, and kicking myself that if I'd stayed only half an hour more, I may have been in on the action, but I'll never ever know.

[sensesonfire]

Hi Black,
The guy who chased the creature described it as a person wearing some baggy hairy costume, and extremely fast. Once you describe the speed of this creature it's obvious we are dealing with something else. There are forum members who have witnessed what they believe to be Yowies move (their description) at almost the speed of light. There is a huge discrepancy between what we understand of the physical Yowie which I have to say is not much and their unexplained paranormal intelligence.
I believe these creatures are increasingly becoming more emboldened and revealing themselves more frequently. Even so, I doubt we will ever capture one to prove once and for all they do exist.

[sensesonfire]

I've asked this question some time ago to which I had one reply so I'm asking again. To all those searching for a Yowie out in the bush the researchers and particularly the non-believers in the paranormal Yowie why are none of you fearless enough to try the method that has had great success as reported by others on this forum? Instead of wasting timeless periods running around with video equipment, sound recorders and other paraphernalia getting nowhere I suggest next time you are out in the bush all gather around a small table preferably in the evening and invite the cryptid creatures of the bush into your campsite a type of seance if you like you will be in for one hell of a shock.

Don't say you don't believe in this type of investigation that would be a cop- out. You will get results but you may be taking on more than you can handle.

[bassplyr]

Senses,

Have you personally had a yowie experience via your proposed method?

[sensesonfire]

Senses,

Have you personally had a yowie experience via your proposed method?

I personally wouldn't go near that type of encounter but I have read comments on the forum where people have invited the bush creatures using this method onto their property and within 24 hours they had Yowies in their yard openly and visually.

[bassplyr]

Senses,

Its definitely an interesting aspect to these types of encounters. It reminds me of tulpa and elementals. Manifestations of either human thought like some creature from the id or from the conjugation of the latent energy of the area. I have a theory about how the brain may be capable of contributing and help manifest such phenomena. Im one of those that believe the human brain can indeed interact mildly with quantum EM vacua.

Tulpa and elementals seem similar to angina a native American phenomena where witnesses see strange things like animals too large to be real, flying objects, strange lights. The activity ramps up in intensity until something happens, usually bad. Think mothman sighting leading up to point pleasant bridge collapse and tragedy.

I often wonder if in the paranormal yowie and dogman type cases if its not actually a separate phenomena than actual yowie where the witness manifests knowingly ot not a tulpa or elemental masquerading as a yowie or dogman.

[sensesonfire]

Senses,

Have you personally had a yowie experience via your proposed method?

I personally wouldn't go near that type of encounter but I have read comments on the forum where people have invited the bush creatures using this method onto their property and within 24 hours they had Yowies in their yard openly and visually.

I should have mentioned not only were there visitations but there were open communications between Yowie and humans.

[sensesonfire]

Senses,


I often wonder if in the paranormal yowie and dogman type cases if its not actually a separate phenomena than actual yowie where the witness manifests knowingly ot not a tulpa or elemental masquerading as a yowie or dogman.

bassplyr you could very well be right but I don't believe it is the witness manifesting a tulpa masquerading as a Yowie or Dogman when you are dealing with the occult and seances you will receive what you wish for or not wish for it could be real or an apparition however In the case of this schoolteacher couple it was very much manifested in the flesh.

[Hauntedman]

This subject reminds me of parapsychologist Dr Barry Taff and the Doris Bither 'entity case' which a movie was made about. I remember at one point the Dr. and other researchers were in the bedroom and saw this torso of a man but when photographs were shot of it all that came out where arcs of light. So people can perceive one thing as a group and the camera catches something else. Hmmmm.

[JohnnyAnonymous]

[quote=..... I doubt shapeshifting as well because that's actually changing your physical form; convincing someone your form has changed is a lot easier that actually changing it .

I want to say first hand that I enjoy a great thread like this. I've pondered and argued with myself on the 'what if's' and 'could it be' almost on a daily basis.

I like the idea of perhaps 'something' imposing a idea/concept that it's a different form by (maybe) juggling the brain receptors around a bit. If that could be accepted then i think it would solved many a (possible) paranormal encounter.

Just wanted to pipe in to say how much I appreciate musings along these lines.
Johnny

[Bluedog]

Shape shifting, messing around with the receptors in the brain?

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Nothing paranormal here!

[sensesonfire]

Good one Bluedog very difficult to see in the bush much clearer in the pic.

[JohnnyAnonymous]

Nothing paranormal here!

Now thats just plain silly.. Mr. Ghillie, (ya just need a green spot on the end of your thunder-stick there and a tad or two spots of grease on the fingers).

Wish I still had mine (sigh)
Johnny

[Shane R]

Hello, I am new to this website and this will be my first comment. I have researched the sasquatch/yowie phenomena both in the field but mostly on the internet for a couple of years now. This topic of flesh and blood vs paranormal is one I have pondered on for hours and hours. This is my opinion.
Firstly, everyone has a right to their opinion and nobody can say these creatures are definitely this or definitely that with 100% certainty. I think these creatures are mainly hominoids in the Homo genus but are not Homo sapiens, they are a living relic of sorts. If the paranormal abilities do exist (and there is no evidence that ALL of them can express these abilities, maybe some) than my opinion is that... either they can use much more of their brain (usually we can only use around 10%) in order to reach certain physical abilities that we cannot explain with our limited level of science or these hominoids have had their genetics manipulated by something in order to express the paranormal abilities.
Most people who encounter them say they are very intelligent animals, most likely a higher primate, the paranormal part is rare but it is still there. My believe explains both sides, not just one. We already have proof that hominoids did in fact evolve here on Earth and these wild men around the world resemble them incredibly closely on appearance and from what we can gather about extinct hominids behaviour, and primate behaviour it seems they act like very intelligent primates as well. We humans have 98% ape DNA in us and we are a bipedal intelligent creature… so why not them as well?
If the creatures are only paranormal or spiritual why would they hunt, gather food, excrete waste or reproduce? We have seen old ones, young ones and people have reported seeing them grow up over years. So, it seems they have a life cycle with physiological needs just like other mammals. Just because some people have reported them using telepathy or seeing them vanish does not erase these things. What is does do is make the mystery of the sasquatch greater and more complex.
If they can enter different dimensions and engage in telepathy why does that mean they can’t be hominoids or animals at all?

[adventurer]

Hello, I am new to this website and this will be my first comment. I have researched the sasquatch/yowie phenomena both in the field but mostly on the internet for a couple of years now. This topic of flesh and blood vs paranormal is one I have pondered on for hours and hours. This is my opinion.
Firstly, everyone has a right to their opinion and nobody can say these creatures are definitely this or definitely that with 100% certainty. I think these creatures are mainly hominoids in the Homo genus but are not Homo sapiens, they are a living relic of sorts. If the paranormal abilities do exist (and there is no evidence that ALL of them can express these abilities, maybe some) than my opinion is that... either they can use much more of their brain (usually we can only use around 10%) in order to reach certain physical abilities that we cannot explain with our limited level of science or these hominoids have had their genetics manipulated by something in order to express the paranormal abilities.
Most people who encounter them say they are very intelligent animals, most likely a higher primate, the paranormal part is rare but it is still there. My believe explains both sides, not just one. We already have proof that hominoids did in fact evolve here on Earth and these wild men around the world resemble them incredibly closely on appearance and from what we can gather about extinct hominids behaviour, and primate behaviour it seems they act like very intelligent primates as well. We humans have 98% ape DNA in us and we are a bipedal intelligent creature… so why not them as well?
If the creatures are only paranormal or spiritual why would they hunt, gather food, excrete waste or reproduce? We have seen old ones, young ones and people have reported seeing them grow up over years. So, it seems they have a life cycle with physiological needs just like other mammals. Just because some people have reported them using telepathy or seeing them vanish does not erase these things. What is does do is make the mystery of the sasquatch greater and more complex.
If they can enter different dimensions and engage in telepathy why does that mean they can’t be hominoids or animals at all?

Hi Shane, firstly welcome.
I got to the part when you said "If the creatures are only paranormal or spiritual why would they hunt, gather food, excrete waste or reproduce? We have seen old ones, young ones and people have reported seeing them grow up over years"

I doubt very much people have seen them grow up over the years , its hard enough seeing 1 and how do they differentiate 1 from another, how do they know exactly its the same infant grown into adulthood? Reproduce here, i haven't heard of anyone stating they have seen any sexual activity between yowies.

Im sure they dont live here.
I think when they travel here they bring there families through which is why little and old ones are seen. I think they come here to "Play" and go back home. Iv been told and iv seen lightning strike type lights flashing up and across trees. Psychics have explained this is where they enter/exit dimensions.
Hence why we cant find where and how they sleep, exactly what they eat etc....etc...
Thats my personal view anyway.

[sensesonfire]

Im sure they dont live here.
I think when they travel here they bring there families through which is why little and old ones are seen. I think they come here to "Play" and go back home. Iv been told and iv seen lightning strike type lights flashing up and across trees. Psychics have explained this is where they enter/exit dimensions.
Hence why we cant find where and how they sleep, exactly what they eat etc....etc...
Thats my personal view anyway.

Has anybody ever wondered why with all these raging bushfires throughout New South Wales and Queensland we haven't and never will find a charred body of a Yowie and I'll tell you why that's because they are not there? Just as adventurer said the psychics have explained that Yowies can enter/exit dimensions. IMO enabling them to avoid deadly bushfires seems plausible to me.

[adventurer]

It dum founds me when f&b believers keep asking us for evidence or ask us proof of where we got our information from. I definently believe they can manifest into a physical body but not often. So we are asked for evidence which is 100 times harder for us as they are paranormal. Yes paranormal( not a cop out word). When others believe there f&b and can't even get a clear photo,if they see them,where are the thousands of photos.
Then we get told we just say it's paranormal without us asking how when why. Well we do know the answers to how when why!
Iv always said we can't expect others to believe in stuff they hadn't seen for themselves,but screw it. They expect us to believe their f & b without us seeing them. Do we say to them they have mental issues, no!
Also the f&b people can't give a direct answer to why we can't find burnt dead yowies.why? ,cause they can't tell us a way they can escape from a fire without having super natural capabilities.
They can't see god, but I bet they believe in him!

[sensesonfire]

Spot on adventurer but when you say ''They can't see god, but I bet they believe in him!'' believe me there are a lot of academic atheists on this forum.

[Yowie bait]

It dum founds me when f&b believers keep asking us for evidence or ask us proof of where we got our information from. I definently believe they can manifest into a physical body but not often. So we are asked for evidence which is 100 times harder for us as they are paranormal. Yes paranormal( not a cop out word). When others believe there f&b and can't even get a clear photo,if they see them,where are the thousands of photos.
Then we get told we just say it's paranormal without us asking how when why. Well we do know the answers to how when why!
Iv always said we can't expect others to believe in stuff they hadn't seen for themselves,but screw it. They expect us to believe their f & b without us seeing them. Do we say to them they have mental issues, no!
Also the f&b people can't give a direct answer to why we can't find burnt dead yowies.why? ,cause they can't tell us a way they can escape from a fire without having super natural capabilities.
They can't see god, but I bet they believe in him!

Hi Dee. Its fair enough that people dont want to talk about their experiences in fear of ridicule or even just to forget about it but if someone mentioned something then others may have had similar and talk about it so im glad you share your encounters on here.

I dont doubt anything you have seen or experienced. Its frustrating when no one takes the more far out aspects of the yowie seriously when so many people have experienced the same thing.

Everyone has had different experiences and interpret them differently. From what i could tell and im pretty sure that theyre made of flesh and blood similar to us. I cant see what else they would be made of but im still totally open to them having some of these superior abilities like cloaking, psychic, gliding etc.

Ive seen a few things i wonder is them but i cant say for sure or prove it to anyone.

Unfortunately we cant even definetely say that things like psychic or telepathy is a real thing even though the military, government agencies and even the police apparently use psychics but Its not even acceptable to discuss here on a crypto forum in relation to bigfoot.

I see no point in getting involved in the flesh and blood vs paranormal war without some hard evidence to prove the point.

All you can do is try and get some proof and keep experiencing some cool things that science doesnt want to talk about or know about yet.

[adventurer]

Thanks YB, i guess we are so invested in this everyone is throwing out theories, and as difficult as some of them sound i just dont like the criticism some people are throwing at others. If my paranormal equipment doesnt work this year, i too will have very little evidence to back up my own claims. Its just so dam frustrating cause i have seen it. I guess i just dont see them as being full flesh and blood because nothing else in the world can do what they do.
At the beginning i didnt even believe they existed. Then i thought they were flesh and blood with no crazy powers
After being with them i then thought they were f& b with powers
Then after the things i saw and being touched ect.. I realise they are paranormal
So my thoughts have changed over the years as i learnt more about them
But i learnt mostly from me going out bush.
I had heard about paranormal early on but never bagged the people about it ( i kept a open mind), but the more i saw the more i realized certain peoples statements were the same as what i was learning and observed. So i guess i get on my high heals a bit when others c**p on them. I should just keep my business to myself, but if we dont back each other up on our views, people wont discuss there research anymore.Thanks YB.

[Yowie bait]

Thanks YB, i guess we are so invested in this everyone is throwing out theories, and as difficult as some of them sound i just dont like the criticism some people are throwing at others. If my paranormal equipment doesnt work this year, i too will have very little evidence to back up my own claims. Its just so dam frustrating cause i have seen it. I guess i just dont see them as being full flesh and blood because nothing else in the world can do what they do.
At the beginning i didnt even believe they existed. Then i thought they were flesh and blood with no crazy powers
After being with them i then thought they were f& b with powers
Then after the things i saw and being touched ect.. I realise they are paranormal
So my thoughts have changed over the years as i learnt more about them
But i learnt mostly from me going out bush.
I had heard about paranormal early on but never bagged the people about it ( i kept a open mind), but the more i saw the more i realized certain peoples statements were the same as what i was learning and observed. So i guess i get on my high heals a bit when others c**p on them. I should just keep my business to myself, but if we dont back each other up on our views, people wont discuss there research anymore.Thanks YB.

No worries Dee. Everyone has theories. I have multiple theories. I think thats better than just having one. Not many of us or maybe none have the chance to observe them properly so we have to try and figger out from what little we experience.

At least you have some actual experiences to base your theories on!

When i think about it from what i was told i thought they were more on the weirder side like spirits or some hippie type bushmen or whacky apes. Nothing like what i saw!!

Really i dont know what they are. Im assuming that theyre made of very tough sinewy flesh and blood because thats what it looked like to me. If they were an apparition then they sure fooled me AND my mate who was right beside me experiencing the same thing.

Id say i dropped off nearly a hundred mangoes in the forest in trips in December last year. Thats the extent of any research ive been doing lately. Id really like to get a good long look at a yowie or some sort of visual interaction but im just content now to know they exist.

I hope that new gear works well and you get something really interesting to prove your point.

[sensesonfire]

Re: How do we fix the problem between opinions ?
Post by yowiedan » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:59 am
I'm on the side of the Yowie being a flesh and blood creature with no paranormal abilities like shape Shifting or flying around in Alien spaceships.


Yowiedan if you had made this comment on the Yowie/Bigfoot Discussion Board it would have remained unchallenged but not on this section of the forum.
You believe like many others that Yowies are flesh and blood and not paranormal that is despite the fact that we do not have a shred of evidence of their actual existence let alone whether they are flesh and blood.
I refuse to use the term flesh and blood although I do acknowledge that they can have a physical presence.
We've heard stories of Yowies being hit by vehicles mainly trucks but never any confirmation of flesh and in particular blood at the scene of the accident either on the road or on the vehicles - how convenient. Even heard suggestions of Yowies rescuing their injured or dying mates from the deadly encounter HaHa.

You do not believe in the paranormal Yowie or Yowies/Bigfoot flying around in alien spacecraft that is contrary to the information from the United States and I am referencing Bigfoot here that these creatures have been seen in increased numbers when the presence of a UFO materializes even been witnessed ascending and descending from these so-called UFO's and orbs.

You are right about the grainy/blurry videos of these creatures I refuse to believe that if there are camera's in satellites that can detect the print of a newspaper from hundreds of kilometres in space yet we cannot get a clear decisive image of either Yowie or Bigfoot it defies logic why is this? The only clear image we have is the 1967 pic of the Patterson–Gimlin film and even this has been debated regarding its authenticity.

There are more than enough Australian Yowie researchers that have come to realize you cannot obtain an image of these creatures let alone a clear one yourself probably being one of them. When researchers think they have a clear image of Bigfoot hey presto camera malfunction for some inexplicable reason and it's all to do with the paranormal Bigfoot/Yowie in my opinion.
I would suggest there are more than a few field researchers out there that have accumulated vast information and awareness and can confirm that a paranormal Bigfoot/Yowie does exist which is in contrast to knowledge gathered on the flesh and blood hypothesis.