Yowiehunters Forum

I said it once and I’ll say it again

Chewy wrote:Just because you do not believe in Yowies doesn’t mean you can attack other people for having their beliefs. If you don’t like the discussion don’t be involved in it. It’s simple.

Marivs wrote:Muppets has just had a big fat dose of reality, and is clearly in no mood to mince words. Cant say I blame him. Have you been watching t.v this past week? Notice anything out of the ordinary? He was right in the thick of all that.

Sure there has been a great tragedy lately, but don’t use that as an excuse to come on here and belittle people’s beliefs because of it. That’s just childish and shows your age.

As for “reality” have you ever seen a Yowie with your own eyes I can guarantee “reality” changes for all eyewitnesses?

We all know you don’t believe in yowies so why are you here? Oh that’s right Muppets said you two are just here for a laugh (at other peoples expenses I gather). Just as childish.

Muppets wrote:A lot less than you do, but still too much

Agreed...

Muppets wrote:I have just got home after the best part of a week wondering if I was going to get my arse burnt off, and looking for those that had.
My job, of which the specifics are none of your concern, required me to head over to Vic. last Sunday.

Unfortunate... but irrelevant.

Muppets wrote:Let me tell you folk, with all your self importance in this world of quite obvious fantasy, my tolerance of such unmitigated nonsense as this thread, even this whole site represent, is at an all time record low.

Noted.

Muppets wrote: Life and liberty are too short and precious to be squandered debating your brand of self righteous fantasy frogshite.

And yet you perpetuate the squandering...

Muppets wrote: I came here after having a damn good giggle about it with Marius

Yes, hilarious.........

Muppets wrote:perhaps to add to the voices of sanity and reason

Yeah... perhaps....

Muppets wrote: but the shine of that has well and truly departed.

Yes it has.

Muppets wrote: My light weight, no brainer source of cheap laughs just isn't funny anymore, just pathetic really

Yes you are.

Muppets wrote:
I had a firm grip on reality before last Sunday, but by christ, its got a lot firmer.
Get a grip, all of you. You owe it to yourselves and your families.

And we're the self righteous ones Thanks for the advice muppet, but i am happy in my own reality and have no intention of converting to yours... I am sorry you have had a bad week but please...... I can only assume that now that you have your priorities in order you will no longer be able to grace us with the that you sprout.... what a shame.


I have a feeling you'll be back though....

Chewy wrote:I said it once and I’ll say it again

Chewy wrote:Just because you do not believe in Yowies doesn’t mean you can attack other people for having their beliefs. If you don’t like the discussion don’t be involved in it. It’s simple.

Marivs wrote:Muppets has just had a big fat dose of reality, and is clearly in no mood to mince words. Cant say I blame him. Have you been watching t.v this past week? Notice anything out of the ordinary? He was right in the thick of all that.

Sure there has been a great tragedy lately, but don’t use that as an excuse to come on here and belittle people’s beliefs because of it. That’s just childish and shows your age.

As for “reality” have you ever seen a Yowie with your own eyes I can guarantee “reality” changes for all eyewitnesses?

We all know you don’t believe in yowies so why are you here? Oh that’s right Muppets said you two are just here for a laugh (at other peoples expenses I gather). Just as childish.

You are quick to spark up when someone has a shot, 'aint you. Good thing us skeptics are used too being pilloried hereabouts, otherwise every one would spend all day bitchin'.

Don't shoot me. I'm just the messenger. And I'm 43, if that helps you make any age based decisions. All I am trying to do is throw a little light on the subject of why Muppets is a little agro. Cut the guy some slack. He has had four showers a day since returning from Vic. for reasons you don't want to know about. The nation owes the likes of him a huge debt of gratitiude. If only you knew
Sometimes, its not all about you.
I don't think he will be bothering you again somehow.
Me, you are stuck with for the moment.



Are any of you from the area? Or have witnessed anything close? Daniel? Is that irrelevant to explaining someones state of mind?

doctorscream wrote:The 1962 to 1968 or thereabouts, Bigfoot captivity study at Lawrence Livermore National Labs in California which was paid for by the Department of Defense

Hey Doc.

Is there any good reading material on this subject?

Cheers.

Marivs wrote:Are any of you from the area? Or have witnessed anything close? Daniel? Is that irrelevant to explaining someones state of mind?

Yes, I am as a matter of fact... but that's irrelevant to what has been posted. Don't use what has happened for your little online games..... show some fu**ing respect.

Marius,

It is understandable the need for people to discuss this terrible tragedy. The sheer magnitude of the horror will have major impacts on many many people for many years to come. Any person involved in it in any way will be severely affected to some degree in the short term and the long term. The appropriate place to comment on it is in the 'Off Topic' section. In there you will find jawdropping photos taken by Strange2 of one of the devastated areas. Yes, the Yowie topic is trivial compared to such an event, but then, so is any hobby or special interest.


Nightwalker,

You asked what is the official AYR stance on F&B vs. paranormal? AYR does not advocate beliefs. This is not some sect where you must believe a certain reference point, or be banished. AYR presents and advocates physical evidence and personal testimonies. It encourages the right to express theories and to pass constructive or critical comment. This is a discussion forum after all. The day when any of us have all the answers will be the day there is nothing further related to the yowie to discuss, and this board will dissolve. This subject appears to incorporate both F&B and paranormal aspects. They appear to be interlaced. To throw another curve ball, respected Swiss psychologist, Carl Gustav Jung, the founder of analytical psychology, would have included this subject in his concept of psychological archetypes and the collective unconsciousness of humanity. Feel free to read up on it sometime! In that sense it would be neither F*B nor paranormal, but something else altogether!! This really is not a subject for people who don't like to look outside the box. I can appreciate why people with closed minds tend to have such a frustrating time here...

Nicely said Joe..!!

Strange2 wrote:

Marivs wrote:Are any of you from the area? Or have witnessed anything close? Daniel? Is that irrelevant to explaining someones state of mind?

Yes, I am as a matter of fact... but that's irrelevant to what has been posted. Don't use what has happened for your little online games..... show some fu**ing respect.

You just crossed the line.
All I am doing is asking for some understanding for a traumatized friend.
As someone from the area, you of all people should know.
I have respect for my friend, as he has earned it. You have not.

C'mon everyone, we all feel strongly about our own views and beliefs, and get a bit upset if others cast aspersions on us for having them, we would rightly arc up if someone started mocking us.

The way I read this thread, Muppets was openly disparaging of the original poster's thread, and he wasn't the only person. OK, we all have our views, and yes, some of DoctorScream's posting was a little too 'out there' for me, but this thread has started edging into the "WARNING! WARNING! FORUM FIGHT AREA! ENTER AT YOUR PERIL!" zone.

From Muppets' post, I get the feeling he's had a pretty horrific time, and yes, that's no excuse for being abrupt, but maybe that's part of the 'dealing with it' process that he is going through. Anyone who has been through something that pares through the dross of life by emphasising the REAL priorities in life such as just surviving, would understandably have their life-view altered as a result. If any of you reading this have seen something that made you just stop everything and re-assess your life, you'll probably understand the process.

Arguing with people on the internet is never going to achieve anything.

Instead of going straight to red-line, and smashing someone verbally on the forum, no matter which 'side' they are supposedly on (believer/unbeliever in the topic posted), understanding is improved with respect.

If you don't have anything to say because you don't believe that person's view, you can choose to not respond, or you can come in with all guns blazing and start another thread full of comebacks, hotly-worded comments and animosity. Which do you think is going to keep this forum alive and healthy? There are some comments from a number of posters here that are pretty inflammatory.

I do not know each AYR member personally, but I'm sure you are all great people, and seeing the bitter arguments go back and forth on the forum makes me upset, and I don't even KNOW you! Can't we just agree to disagree if that's the case without bringing past spats into new posts? Sorry if you feel miffed, but that's how it looks from here. And I'm talking to everyone who has said something they may feel now is a bit harsher than they intended.

Let's not make this a place where nobody wants to go, or that will mean no more AYR forums. And then where will we get our fix?

For what it's worth, we know Stainmaster and Strange2 have families and friends that have suffered as a result of the Victorian Fires, and received loads of supporting wishes from other posters. There may even be more readers out there who are in the same boat who haven't posted their stories. Muppets mentioned his, and was given a bit of a hard time which I do not think was fair. If there really is such a disparity of response, is that due to his past history of posts? If so, that's pretty bloody harsh.

Yes, Muppets fired up when he could have been more circumspect. When Muppets said "Right now, this stuff is less than trivial. Some people are fortunate indeed that they have the spare time to waste on this stuff", I read it as "I've just been dealing with people who have lost all there is to lose, some of them even lost their lives, which makes all this look silly and unimportant ". He admits his "tolerance is low". Regardless of what has been said before in previous threads, I think he at least deserves one or two excusals in this situation, though he may deserve a minute or two on the naughty step for a while.

Can we just take an extra minute to see how our words can be interpreted in this imperfect communication medium of typed words on a black screen before we hit SUBMIT? Treat everyone else as you yourself would like to be treated. It's much more beneficial to YOU if your responses at least show some respect for others.

Besides, it just scares all the lurkers and noobs and makes them scared to post, and we could be missing out on some great info and stories.

And as to the original question, I believe Yowies are physical, but I also believe they have psychological (not sure how to accurately describe them, actually) skills or abilities that enables them to 'trick' our most developed senses such as vision and hearing into thinking they are not where they seem to be.

Shazz

Right on Shazzoir. (takes deep breath)
I am a calm logical person, and am prepared to overlook heated words.

I hope we can all follow Shazzior's exellent advice

...firstly... I am NOT speaking on behalf of Muppets... I am NOT criticising anybody that has responded to his post... I am NOT taking anybody's side on this... I am merely making a comment here okay all???... so please everyone don't take offence at what I'm about to say...


...I don't know if it is just me... but being amongst all that death and destruction... could it be that Muppets is lashing out in despair and frustration at all things around him at the moment???... who knows... he may even be in some sort of traumatic shock from it and is posting his anger at anything in general around him no matter what it is???...

...okay... I accept that perhaps this was most probably not a wise decision on his part to post within these forums while being like that but I do believe that he deserves some compassion from everyone around him to help him through this horrid time period of his life... okay he's made frivilous and flippant comments before now... so be it...

...but if people are going to kick into him for his comments... just a suggestion on my part people... maybe everyone should wait until he's his usual sceptical self before we do that eh?... some people may not share this view... but hey... come on... how many people immediately jumped onto the forums and asked Dean if he was alright and showed concern of his general well being when he had his encounter on that amazing night... but nobody is bothering to ask Muppets the same???... he is a participant within these forums after all regardless... whether you agree or disagree with his points of views or his comments... he still deserves that courtesy in my opinion...

...please people... how about we leave Muppets alone until he is back to his usual self to flay him alive... at least he will be able to fight with you on equal ground don't you think???... compassion is a wonderful thing!...

...that being said... again... I'm on nobody's side here... I'm just voicing my opinion and hope the voices of reason start flowing through these threads again and brings an end to this path of self destruction that we seem to be steamrolling towards at a fierce rate!... we need to get this wonderful forum site back up and running again to the heights that it should be... not floundering in an abyss of ill will and hatred!... come on people... we're all adults here... if people read these forums in 20 years time long after all this c**p has passed... what do you think that they will be thinking of us???... remember... everything that you post is held up for scrutiny for many years to come if not forever!... think about it my friends... snap out of it and lets move on eh??? ... Stickyfingers.

...well said Shazz ... that post is a credit to you my sweet... I was so busy writing my previous post that I didn't realise that you had posted it!!!... again Shazz... well said! ... cheers... Stickyfingers.

Hi All

I would just say Chill Out everyone. Everyone on this forum has the right to their own opinion, however respect for each other is paramount. Don't forget that. We are supposed to be professionals. Don't get personal!

I would recommend that those who have not read it, get a copy of "Hunt for the Skinwalker", it is an excellent book. It will explain much of what is being said here in this thread.

I have also spoken with Neil Frost on several occasions and Neil for a period, had a Yowie Scat in his freezer. These creatures are real, I personally have seen them and I have heard them. This is not in question, they are real. However, more to the point though is, where do they go and where do they come from!

Paul
Big Cats

Can't we all just get along?

iwantobelieve,

Here is the only posting on the internet that I can recall, of the alleged Bigfoot captivity study. You can see the how the F&B crowd goes absolutely ballistic, and then calms down a bit when they lose their negative feedback loop momentum.
http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/invisible-bf/

what a croc! if he could walk through people in this "4th dimmension" why couldnt he get out of a building for two weeks?
apparently it was well known that these bigfoot observations were happening, by who? walt disney?
seriously dont believe all you read, especially from that site. now i can see why the skeptics think most of us are off this planet, then again maybe we are. maybe we are aliens and bigfoot is the real earthling. another conspiracy theory.

c'mon theres been a lot of empty claims in this thread, i say show something to back ya claims or keep em to yourself. and that doesnt mean threads or articles from other websites

what a croc! if he could walk through people in this "4th dimmension" why couldnt he get out of a building for two weeks?

good point..

c'mon theres been a lot of empty claims in this thread, i say show something to back ya claims or keep em to yourself.

I think the problem is, with this sort of stuff...everyone thinks that views that are different to their own are are insane..
Aspects of all 3 main views expressed here..at some level...might just have some validity..
No one has all the answers..!!!
If someone on this forum thinks they do have a 100% handle on this phenomena....then I hate to break it to you..but making sneering posts about some elses ideas/views is not a good indication you have the faintest idea what you are talking about... The "sceptics" are right for demanding bodies/evidence..Nothing wrong with that at all. !I get the sceptics bulletin here in OZ..and they rip into each other quite well let me tell you.!!The "f/b" people are right for demanding proof of other dimensions..the problem with the paranormal.. as an explanation..is that it doesnt actually explain what something is..Some "paranormal" people have a point when they ask what other large terrrestial animals, roughly sharing the same morphology are reported,across several continents,yet cannot be killed after several hundred years of hunting...All 3 views can be mocked...all have their strong and weak points..and of course there are people from each view that are bonkers..or fools...thats the way the cookie crumbles with everything else..so why should cryptids be different.
The best book by a sceptic on the sasquatch phenomena, hands down is by david Daegling
Unlike many sceptics..or many believers for that matter.. he went out and did the hard yards and i/v many of the researchers in the field itself.
http://www.amazon.com/Bigfoot-Exposed-A ... 189&sr=8-1
One of the best "standard" book on sasquatches is
http://www.amazon.com/Raincoast-Sasquat ... 31&sr=1-12
The best book on unusual sasquatch stuff is
http://www.amazon.com/Bigfoot-Files-Pet ... 589&sr=1-1
The best book on the yowies is by cropper and healy..most yowie hunters in Australia here are such tight arses they dont own it..it but Americans love it.
http://www.amazon.com/Yowie-Search-Aust ... 88&sr=1-37

lil foot, I want you to close your eyes and imagine electricity. Lots of electricity. Perhaps 10,000 volts of electricity. Now imagine yourself touching the electricity. Does it feel warm to the touch? Or did you just fry your hand off?
They had a specially constructed hold cell, that most likely utilized high voltage electricity for one thing or another. That electriicity only has to be present in all dimensions, in order for it to be an effective cage.

People are really bad about keeping secrets about governmental Bigfoot studies. You can write that down on the back of your hand. I first heard of the Bigfoot captivities in 1964, in Boy Scouts. And I live 650 miles away from The Lab. The Feds were utilizing the top American scientists to put their heads together after viewing the antics of the Bigfoot, in order to try and figure out what was going on. Apparently, you were either not born yet, or did not get invited. Nor was your father, apparently.

And by the way lil foot, nothing can be proven on the internet. Even the Patterson Gimlin film it still being falsely discredited to this day, by paid Federal disinformation artists who know darn well that it is the real deal. So even if the truth was available on the internet, it would be quickly erased or discredited by the Feds. Another little detail that may not have crossed your mind yet. How do you prove that something is invisible? A picture of it? A picture of it's shadow perhaps? Or how about a recording of a noise flying over. How do you tie that noise without question to Bigfoot? Obviously nobody can. Therefore you are demanding that the impossible be accomplished in order to give credit to these field observations. A contract based on a preexisting impossibility, is void from the outset. As is your demand for proof. Get out in the field and prove it to yourself. And don't forget to pony up for some decent night vision monocle. And I don't mean Russion Gen 1 Night Owls.

And lil foot, you are walking, talking, and quacking like a NSA disinformation artists. How much to they pay you to post overseas?

And you should research the definition difference between "claim" and "opinion". It will do wonders to your arguments if you use the correct terminology. But then, you would be criticizing my opinion, and pleading for it to be ignored. That does't sound very scientific at all.

And lil foot, you are walking, talking, and quacking like a NSA disinformation artists. How much to they pay you to post overseas?

Geez..
Matey...
1/why would they NSA bother with cryptids..it was established for the collection and analysis of foreign communications and foreign signals intelligence.
If you are going to be a conspiracy buff at least do some basic research first and guess a relevent organisation.
2/Just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them a "disinformation" agent.

Bigfoot is potentially a military weapon if they can be trained to kill people. The Bigfoot have a problem with that, however. The secret of invisibility is also tied to Bigfoot so there are two reasons for the US government to keep Bigfoot a secret. Kewauned Lapseritis was talking on an internet blogtalk show a month ago, about a 2008 US military operation that implanted something in a Bigfoot's head, and they were able to cause the Bigfoot to kill people. Then that entire blogtalk show and its archives vaporized into thin air within the last two weeks. But you can read about it in Kewaunees next book. The US government spends 10's of millions of dollars, to keep the interdimensional Bigfoot a secret by harassing researchers, destroying evidence and discrediting internet postings and posters.

Joe:

Oh dear, I’m afraid you’ve picked the wrong person to try to confound with your out-dated psychological knowledge… unless you are trying to suggest that Yowies are even LESS real that the curious interdimensionality-popping-in-and-out-of-reality theory. You don’t REALLY understand Jung and his work, do you? You just glanced at it because he hypothesises about UFOs, right?

Here’s a tip: if you are unable to construct a reasonable argument using your own words and understanding then don’t palm it off onto the work of others.

Fear not - my opinion of you is not any less after your latest faux pas. If you care to continue this discussion then doing so via private message would be more appropriate. I could even offer to psychoanalyse your belief structure (first session free-of-charge, of course) as you seem fond of archaic psychological techniques.

Back on topic:

Surely, if Yowies/Bigfoot exists then it exists in the same real world as us and all the other animals exist. Same physical capabilities, behaviours, and appetites as can be observed elsewhere within the animal kingdom.

Having an open mind is a good thing - it allows one to consider a broad range of ideas and opinions. However, the flip-side is that one can become too receptive to ideas that have little or no basis in reality causing a loss of focus on what is really important (to us) - the search for as-yet-unidentified species.

OBJECTIVITY is of utmost importance - especially in the field of cryptozoology. Study the data and eyewitness accounts objectively - free of emotion, sensation, and interpretation - and much of the mysticism vanishes. What remains is practical and useful to our search in the real world.

here here! night walker.
and yes doctordream i do have a yukon nightvision monocular and i do get out in the field regularly, except the bush fires have destroyed my research grounds, but if the yowie hid in the 4th dimension he should be safe.
if bigfoot can walk through people, what of the reports of human contact, touch with the creature? can he also turn from spirit to flesh and blood with a twitch of his nose?
why would the u.s need bigfoot soldiers to destroy armys when they have the greatest weapons of mass destruction in the world?
oh and by the way i definately am not an agent or working for the government to debunk you, just an average down to earth bloke with an open mind, i like to think a sane one at that

Marivs..Marivs..Marivs

Marivs wrote:You just crossed the line.

And here you are! Very quick to spark up when someone has a shot, 'aint you. Good thing you skeptics are used too ridicule and abuse...Ha

Marivs wrote:All I am doing is asking for some understanding for a traumatized friend.

Really.... What I found offensive is your questions wrapped in assumption. Not Muppets state of mind or even his behaviour. That I can understand.

Marivs wrote:As someone from the area, you of all people should know.

Should I, thanks for the info.... Muppets has had a reality check. He has been very vocal in letting every body know that he was in Vic for a week after the fires. And because of what he went through and AFTER having a damn good giggle about the forum with you Marius, he came and said what he had to say and left...Pass the stick Marius I think the pot needs another stir.

I wasn't going to air this especially out of respect to the Families, but after reading your childish reply and your total lack of any understanding. I thought I had to so you know where I'm coming from. If that's possible....I'm happy you and Muppets have been able to have a good giggle. My self, I have found it very hard to after going to what was left of my parents house that Saturday night. Sunday morning was a real joy finding friends I have known all my life out the front burnt beyond recognition. The father still in the drivers set and his son five meters away under a fallen tree still burning. Finding my sons best friend that he grow up with in has car not to fare away from his house also burnt beyond recognition. I have plenty of other horrific stories but it's better I leave it there...ha before I get work up and say something I might regrate.

Marivs wrote:I have respect for my friend, as he has earned it. You have not.

43 you say...hmmm

Night walker states:
Joe:
Oh dear, I’m afraid you’ve picked the wrong person to try to confound with your out-dated psychological knowledge… unless you are trying to suggest that Yowies are even LESS real that the curious interdimensionality-popping-in-and-out-of-reality theory. You don’t REALLY understand Jung and his work, do you? You just glanced at it because he hypothesises about UFOs, right?

Could you please show me where I professed to have any psychological knowledge whatsoever? I was raising a concept developed by Jung 50 years ago where he would have related the Yowie phenomenon with his primitive man archetype.

Here’s a tip: if you are unable to construct a reasonable argument using your own words and understanding then don’t palm it off onto the work of others.

Thanks for the tip, and I hope you didn't plaigarise any of your words! I would have thought though, a single sentence used to introduce a dated author and his work, would not have been so easily confused with an argument. Didn't you say you were the wrong person to pick to try and confound? Anyway, that single sentence formed a trivial part of an answer to your very loaded question.

Fear not - my opinion of you is not any less after your latest faux pas. If you care to continue this discussion then doing so via private message would be more appropriate. I could even offer to psychoanalyse your belief structure (fist session free-of-charge, of course) as you seem fond of archaic psychological techniques.

Any discussion between you and I will only occur in this open discussion forum. Perhaps you could take your own free advice and psychoanalyse your audacity to pose such a highly loaded question in the first place, your inability to differentate between an argument and an introduction, and then your repeated attempts to try and patronise a board member of who you know nothing about...

Now back on topic:

Is anybody here familiar with the Holy Qur’aan, what it has to say about the 'Jinn', and how the Jinn may be related to this phenomenon?

lil foot,

Once you have a gen 3 select alpha night vision that works without an infrared assist at night, which most night vision monocles do not do very well, then you buy yourself a couple of drummers drum sticks. Go out into the forest at night where it is absolutely quiet. Take a chair to sit down in. Rap those sticks together. And then wait. If a bigfoot/yowie has already been observing you from another dimension, he may answer back with what sounds like a branch break. Except it is most likely an electrical snap. Now you have contact. If you don't have contact, then you move to a new location or you broadcast the same drum stick rap over a microphone/speaker system in order to cover more area at each set up.

Once you have contact, then you take your night vision and verify the INVISIBILITY theory of whatever was making a return sound. Now you have to ascertain what made that sound. After introducing yourself to the Yowie/Bigfoot, please ask him to do something simple in order to verify intelligence. I have had success with: more branch breaks, stomping feet, running at me, walking and stomping feet, pushing a tree over, perform magic, follow me home, hang out around camp, and answering simple questions by using a branch break to signify a YES answer. Bigfoot really enjoy communicating with us and may be a little shy at first. Of couse if they have any reason to not trust you, because you have alterior motives for instance, you will not get very far with this. Better to try another hobby.

Once you have verified invisibility and intelligence, hopefully you were able to hear some bipedal rhythm foot stomps. Or even very light bipedal twig breaks as the Bigfoot walks in a favorite dimension twice removed from man's dimension. Heavy footsteps plus invisibility is a favorite dimension once removed from man's dimension. Or they can float noiselessly and materialize right behind you. By analyzing all audio and visual evidence, you use the process of elimination in hopes of narrowing in on the Bigfoot/Yowie. Of course you may have either an interdimensional reptilian or a dogman too. But that is close enough. If they exist in higher dimensions, you can be reasonably confident that Bigfoot/Yowie also exists in the higher dimensions, given the work of other researchers and the pure luck observations of rank amateurs. If at any time you getting growling, better leave in a big hurry. I have talked a growling bigfoot into not doing so. But you are taking a chance.

I have no idea whether fire also burns in the higher dimensions. But since Bigfoot can fly in all 3 phases, they can fly over the tops of the flames or hide deep in the ground.

Interdimensional means that Bigfoot has different abilities in different dimensions. Obviously when Bigfoot is in man's dimension, they can touch a person and be felt. I have been touched by a couple of different types of interdimensional people. Then they vaporize.

I have heard the dimension change by a small four legged lizard size people. There is a little bit of an electrical buzz when it takes place but it takes more than an instant, and less than a second.

The US military is always looking for new ways to kill people. Like Osama Bin Laden. He would be a good candidate for an invisible military assassin. Bigfoot would be assassins, not soldiers.

By your questions, I can tell that you are not a well trained NSA disinformation artist, because you would demand proof for everything, while knowing full well that it is impossible to prove anything on the internet.

cheers

joe black wrote:Is anybody here familiar with the Holy Qur’aan, what it has to say about the 'Jinn', and how the Jinn may be related to this phenomenon?

Hey Joe

I think I'm familiar with the jinn, as far as I know aren’t they related to the Nature spirits and beings with supernatural powers? As for the Holy Qur’an, I’m not familiar with it, in regards to their approach on the jinn and this phenomenon but would like to hear more.

Come on, Joe - lighten up a bit. Was it something I said?

I was simply replying in kind to your humorous suggestion that I look up something that you never had bothered to look into yourself by someone who never had ANYTHING to say about the Bigfoot phenomenon. If that is not COMEDY GOLD then what is? Was my subjective interpretation of your intentions incorrect? Are you beginning to appreciate the folly of speculation?

Don’t mind me, Joe, I just like to ask a lot of questions. That’s what we researchers do, right? (See - there I go again). My door is still open to you though, Joegantopithecus blacki…

To all Forum Users:

Put up your hand if you took offence at Muppet’s tirade. Be honest.

It is already obvious that some took extreme offence as can be evidenced by the responsive outpouring of absolute vitriol against Muppet and his sceptical friend, Marivs. Others, I’m sure, would have gritted their teeth angrily but refrained from commenting. Consider this - are you so insecure that you cannot take an obviously emotional outburst - from someone in obviously trying times - on the chin? Do you surround yourself with like-minded “believers” (it DOES sound cultish, doesn’t it?) so that you don’t have to deal with contrary opinions? Do you arc up every time a friend pokes fun at you for actively pursuing the existence of Yowies?

Personally, I took no offence at Muppet’s words. They were direct, emotional, and ultimately a plea to keep it real (and relevant) amongst the seeming encouragement of needless fantasy. Is such criticism really that hard to take? Honestly - lighten up!

I overheard someone who suggested that AYR should stand for Arrogant Yahoo Rednecks. I thought that was uncalled for yet I am beginning to wonder about the applicability of the Yowie Research part of the name. Since joining late in ‘08 I have seen a drunken expedition, sloppy field work, misleading report writing, flights of fantasy, and insensitive comments against someone in hard times.

I am hoping that recent is just a blip on AYR’s otherwise splendid record.

If you think that I am a troublemaker you have completely misread my intentions. If you think you are at the top of your game and beyond criticism then I will give you a proverbial kick in the arse because - damn it - someone has to do it! I’d expect nothing less in return. Tough love.

I’m sure some will say that if I don’t like it here then I should leave. I DO like it here but we “researchers” should strive to do better. THIS is my point and I will argue for it and for the importance of objectivity until I am blue in the face, if necessary.

It is easy to lose sight of the fact that the vast majority of Yowie/Bigfoot reports/sightings have absolutely no supernatural elements to them. Ordinary people who have witnessed something extraordinary (ie a Yowie) may be less inclined to come forward with their story (and important information) if they happen to come across the seeming encouragement of fruit-loop speculation on this very forum. This - the non-acquisition of potential data - is the very real danger of actively engaging in fanciful subjective interpretation.

I can understand why a fantasy-prone personality would speculate in such a manner - it is because the REAL TRUTH is simply too hard to confront. (PM me if you’d care to discuss this - it really is a personal matter, not for public consumption).

I apologise for my verbosity but I am very passionate about these issues. Finally, again, in case you’ve missed it - lighten up.

hey doctordream, thanks for joining this forum, you crack me up
but please, please stop watching so much 'star gate', too much tv will rot ya brain

joe black wrote:
Is anybody here familiar with the Holy Qur’aan, what it has to say about the 'Jinn', and how the Jinn may be related to this phenomenon?

Yes, I am familiar with the much easier to type Koran.
It is the book that Muslims use in a similar fashion to the Christians and the Bible, and the Jewish the Torah. Apparently it mentions Jinn (genies) quite a bit.
It makes just about as much sense as the other texts mentioned- that is it has some useful moral guidelines, and a great deal that is contradictory, hateful, anti- woman, racist and just plain insane. The righteous smiting bits sound like a hoot though.
As for the genies and Yowies connection, well I would think that Yowies were a few percent more likely, as they are not impossible, just unlikely. Connected? Once you start attributing the supernatural reality status, all bets are off. When you don't feel the need to prove anything, you can make all the connections you like.
Though I could be wrong

She seems real enough. Perhaps there is something in it after all. How does she squeeze into that lamp?




As we seem to be venturing into the area of pioneering clinical psychologists, what do you suppose Freud would have made out of Yowies?

If you think you are at the top of your game and beyond criticism then I will give you a proverbial kick in the arse because - damn it - someone has to do it!

Lighten up tiger...take a chill pill or something...its just a cryptid site for for gods sake..

I DO like it here but we “researchers” should strive to do better.

Anyone can come here..make a few posts..and imply they are a researcher...

If it walks, eats, sh*ts, and sleeps then it is as REAL.

Sure..but as you previously said

Witness accounts are ultimately subjective. It is not uncommon for people to make mistakes in how they both observe, interpret and remember an event.

Which only leaves us with one example of yours for anything scientific..What dna sequences of any interest have come from any scats..

It really makes a mockery on the legitimate search for one (or more) unknown species across 5 continents.

And what hard evidence after 500 years or more..has come forward from this search/hunting across 5 continents..

Example: the coelacanth - disappeared from the fossil record some 300 million years ago yet it was “discovered” alive and well in 1938. Do you need dimensionality to explain this? No.

Really poor analogy that has nothing to do with the inability..so far.. to find large terrestial animals that cannot be caught over 5 continents...over several hundred years..
The ocean is great for animals to hide in...always has been..
The coelacanth was found/photographed/body on the table..

I am very curious of this site’s official position. I note that despite the debate very few have actually put their position on the line.

Why so curious.. LOL
We are a group of friends/researchers...their is no AYR offical position..there is no animal on the table..when that happens we will have a position.
Unlike people that are new to unusual claims...many of us dont feel we have to have any concrete position...there is so little known anyway..
If some people`s belief system requires rigid ideas and rigid thinking based on tiny bits of "evidence"...then good luck to them if that makes then feel superior to others....

I DO like it here but we “researchers” should strive to do better.

Interesting you used the "r" word again..

Ordinary people who have witnessed something extraordinary (ie a Yowie) may be less inclined to come forward with their story (and important information) if they happen to come across the seeming encouragement of fruit-loop speculation on this very forum.

Thanks for worrying...we have loads of reports...cropper and healy have many of them in their books..

This - the non-acquisition of potential data - is the very real danger of actively engaging in fanciful subjective interpretation.

The non-aquisition..you mean non collecting of endless witnesses statements...gets a person nowhere in the end..you need physical evidence.

I can understand why a fantasy-prone personality would speculate in such a manner - it is because the REAL TRUTH is simply too hard to confront. (PM me if you’d care to discuss this - it really is a personal matter, not for public consumption).

I can understand why a humourless/rigid/verbose personality would reply in such a pompous and patronising manner - it is because different ideas , right or wrong..are too hard to confront. (PM someone who gives a rats if you’d care to discuss this - it really is a personal matter, not for public consumption).