Yowiehunters Forum

Alex,

I read the report from London after I posted.

What they write in this Newspaper is rubbish. I have not done an interview with London Tabloids for nearly 3 years and what they say here is far from the truth.

Neil Diamond??? Oh please.....

DMH

A similarly named, though quite differnt creature is the yowie, which in Aboriginal stories, is a hairy man, or "Dulagarl" {doo-lah-garl), in other words, big foot. They stand 7 feet tall, and are far stronger than any man. They have huge padded feet, which make no noise as they walk or run. Although resembling big foot, there are a few differences, they have no neck, and so cannot turn their head to look behind them. They are covered in Shaggy matted fur, unlike the Gowowas, who, although hairy, are not shaggy. Dulagarl adore the smell of cooked fish, and one account was told of some men who were returning from fishing, and were rowing down a river towards home, when they saw a Yowie running along the bank, after their boat, clearly wishing to taste their fish. He made no noise, even though running at a steady pace, over scrub and dead leaves and sticks.

In more recent times, there was a report in our area of a gold miner, who, in the gold rush days had a shack, as many people did, on "Mount Dromadary" (named by Captain James Cook). The mountain is commonly known as "Gulaga" by the local Aborigines. One day, they found the miner in his shack, with his head ripped from his body. Now, as butal as the scene was, it was clear that the killing could not have been accomplished by a man, as humans don't have the strength that would have been required.

In another story from recent times, a farmer one night heard his cattle making a terrible noise, bellowing and so on, but he decided to wait until the morning to investigate, as it was late at night. In the morning he found 20 of the cattle in the same state as the old gold miner. The grass had no footprints, and no tracks from vehicles.

Dean Harrison wrote:Alex,

I read the report from London after I posted.

What they write in this Newspaper is rubbish. I have not done an interview with London Tabloids for nearly 3 years and what they say here is far from the truth.

Neil Diamond??? Oh please.....

DMH

I know. I've read the WWN before. Any newspaper that proclaims "elvis is an alien & had bigfoots illigetimate son" would make shite up 24/7.

And on the note of traditional aboriginal yowies, I once read a story where the yowie's feet were backwards, so it was impossible to track. In the same book, there was something else in there called something like "ngarng" or something. Covered in hair, kept stealing people from this road, all it'd leave was one shoe.

I know. I've read the WWN before. Any newspaper that proclaims "elvis is an alien & had bigfoots illigetimate son" would make shite up 24/7.

You mean that ain't true ??? Bugger ! thought I was finally onto the inside goss.........

And on the note of traditional aboriginal yowies, I once read a story where the yowie's feet were backwards, so it was impossible to track. In the same book, there was something else in there called something like "ngarng" or something

Think I've read the same or similar story but I think it was about the Indonesian variety, the orangpendak,(check spelling) would make it awkward to try & track the buggers wouldn't it ? Maybe next time we find a decent set of tracks(as in Operation Rotation) we should give "back-tracking" a go instead of the usual style.

An oldie but a goodie .....

[quote="Rob Mac"] very intresting stories, what about the one where soldiers have vanished in the blue mountains erea, i did some digging and found that these soldiers who vanished into the blue mountains erea were retraceing the steps and movements of campers, who have claimed to herd underground vibrations and nioses, like there was some tunneling machines under the ground in the blue mountains , these campers were said to of felt and herd these underground vibrations and activities when they were camped in the erea.

It wasn't in the upper Blue Mountains was it?

There was something in local paper a couple of months ago from a resident saying they could hear noises like that and was wondering what was going on. Very weird.

Love it Mikka....
I have heard second hand reports of people hearing noises of machinery ect comming from under the ground for as long as I can remember. I can even remember my Grandpa talking about it.

I think most places seem to have legends about Big feets/yowie/yeti/whoever having their feet on backwards. Probably explains for them why they can't track them

It's all quite true apparently. I'm was sure we had this on the board, but I can't see it.

We did an investigation into it years ago.

It happened West of Mogo, group of 3 Canadian thrill seekers being taken out for an expedition on horse back by a local guide.

First or second day in they noticed a lot of odd tree snaps at about 4 - 5ft. The horses were getting edgy. As they road down towards a heavily tree's creek, one of the horse became spooked and reared, throwing the rider off. The horse landed on him and broke his leg/s.

There was no way of getting him back out because he was in such a bad way. The guide said that he would go for help and would be back in the morning.

The other two were nervous, and said they had better go back also to make sure the guide was doing what he said. They left the wounded man with a fire, some supplies and a .303 with something like 5 rounds.

When they returned in the morning, the scene was a blood bath. His right arm had been torn off and the guide claims it looked like he had been beaten with it. Blood covered the trees and surrounding area and he'd been thrown around like a rag doll. All the rounds in the .303 were spent.

Now it starts to get interesting ..... the Police arrive. They call it in. The Feds arrive via chopper and clear the scene, even the Uniform's.

The guide and remaining Canadians are taken away to Campbell St. Fed Building and interviewed. (I'm trying to make this as short as I can...... )

The Canadians were taken to the Airport after signing some forms which stated they can't speak about it, and told never to return.

The guide had his life and families life threatened if he spoke. He still lives around the area and has spoken to a few people, but generally keeps quite. He still lives in fear.

A friend (Policeman) of the guide and our informant was involved and began to follow this up. He had hair from the inncident (that's another story).

He phoned a contact at Campbell St. who had top clearence. This guy looked into the file by PC. Although he had top clearence, this file was password protected which he though strange, but he managed to find another way around. Within minutes, two suits were standing at his desk. He had worked there for years, yet had never seen these guys before and they didn't have name tags like everyone else. He was taken away. They wanted to know what he knew and why he had an interest in this file.

He was threatened, along with his family. This guy phoned his Policeman friend back and said "Whatever it is your trying to look at - it's not worth it - walk away now".

There's a lot more to the story, but this is the best I can do right now. I have similar ones in my files where the Feds are involved and clean up is required.

DMH

Agressive Yowies lead to agressive people.

Does this mean if credible evidence, and credible footage of the creature is presented you can expect a visit from the Goverment?

Hang on there's a knock at my door.

Cheers Buccccnm,,' h h



(Thanks Dean. Great stuff... )

When people find say, a body, bones or something tangible - who do they call? The Police. The Police in turn call another 'authority' and the area is cleansed and it's the end of the matter. Just like the cover ups of Engadine, Taree & Evans Head.

Or if they think you may have something, you might come home to find someone laying cables in your roof like I did.

DMH

I know of experiences with, for want of a better word, MIB types. I'd tell in person, where i couldn't be overheard, but not on this forum and never on a phone. And no...its not paranoia!

thanks for that info dean it looks intresting
i'm wondering if the feds that cover up bigfoot is the same as the people who cover up ufo landings and such
thanks
morphous

Reading all this stuff about cover-ups and agents in suits is crazy! Now, there would have to be something going on for authorities to want to cover it up.

Cables in the roof?!!?

Can anyone one let me in on what happened at Engadine, Taree or Evans Head?

Unless you run the risk of being bound, gagged and thrown off a bridge.

Yeah, if anyone can, elaborate on Engadine, Taree or Evans Head, please?

Uhm. Why the need to cover up Yowies/Bigfeet? I don't understand it. Can anyone explain?
Unless the enviromental agencies are going all MIB on us..

I snapped a twig yesterday..

If you don't hear from me within 3 days, tell my family I love them!@

We've had about 5 message boards and website re-vamps over the years. This is all 'Old stuff re-hashed'. Very real 'Old stuff' mind you. We've written about this many times......

About to head out - will elaborate. Great reading.

The very last thing that I am is a conspiracy theorist - but at one stage, my complacency led to eye opening events.

Those close would remember all about it.

DMH

I can vouch for 2 such "happenings" as I was involved to some degree with them. Dean will most likely remember them as one involved contact (or lack therof) with him & the other was regarding the message board. I was always open-minded about conspiracy stuff, but these events pushed me a little bit over the line.

Alex, I think I P.M.d my phone number to you, ring me if you like & I will elaborate a bit further.

Hi
This is a drum that I have been beating for years. I have received lengthy letters sympathising about my mental state.
my house was entered on 2 occasions and items removed.
my website was trashed, another well known website was trashed.
Tapes that I have sent overseas have been partially deleted. All matters pertaining to big cat and other cryptoids removed.
This is not imagination or scare mongering it is REAL.
By the way if you think you are safe in middle of a 40 acre paddock, back to back and whispering think again.
I heard of a lazar device that can eavesdrop at a distance.
Anyway were we not talking about agro yowies, surely there must be some friendly ones
Cheers all Wally

Buck wrote.
"Does this mean if credible evidence and credible footage etc"
Try going public and see how long before the faceless ones turn up.
"Suits" that is a newie to me, I must remember it. In the past I have referred to them as the men in grey.
I would love to see the file they have on me, it would outdo Agatha Christie.
Regards to all Wally

Ok, let me get this straight (i'm having trouble wrapping my head around this).

Some unknown peoples are trying to cover up the existance of cryptids? What in the hell would this accomplish? If anything, wouldn't it make people like us look harder & more often, just to prove these people are completley idiotic?

Goddamn, I feel as though i'm on an episode of the X-Files.

Public hysteria, re-writting the History books, massive effects to the economy (logging, housing estates, land clearing, out door activities) - just to name a few obvious ones. Some people would be too scared to camp or bush walk. The Current Affair programs would have a field day and the cry of the population to the Gov would along the lines of "What are you going to do about this?" Cases of missing people in the bush and/or strange deaths would all have to be re-opened. It would stir the masses in so many directions - and the Gov policy is 'never to rock the boat of society' - much easier to have a calm population.

DMH

Ahh, I see what you mean now.

Massive conflict from all sides, except us, because we can say "HA! Told you so!".

But yeah, it's better to light a match then curse the darkness. Well, that's how it goes. But everyone is just sitting there swearing at the darkness.

Loggers refused to work certain areas due to the Yowie in the 1900's. Loggers such as George Grey were actually attacked. Logging is now worth Milti-Millions. This section of industry alone has a huge impact on Gov.

DMH

Alex wrote
Goddam I feel that I am on an episode of the X Files.

Read the BLACK FILES attached to my web site.

The original author of these files concluded that they were detrimental to his public image and asked me to give them a home.
There were some matters that would not do my image any good either so they were deleted period.
The DNA reports concerning Aust big cat as shown in black files, have been reassessed using more modern technology and it is indicated that F. Sylvestus strain is present.
Now how in the hell does genes of the European forrest cat get into the Aust big cat??.
Food for thought Wally






These have been deleeted from my website twice

Corporate image is what I meant.
Wally

Because many of the Big Cats originated as ship mascots over hundreds of years. The release of the cats by the U.S. Military in the late 40's simply helped the Gene pool along.

DMH

There is another fundamental reason why the government would cover this up, apart from the reasons already expressed by Dean.

Most western governments are run by leaders who belong to mainstream religions. Religions that specifically place man (humans) above animals. Think about it.

Even science tows the line, in away, by saying that Humans have been the only sentient species on Earth for the last 28,000 years (ie when Neandertal man was suppose to have died out). But remember Neandertals were human, not Sapien, but still human. Look at the debate that raged about the "hobit", until brain scans were taken to prove the theory viable.

What happens if another species comes into the arena? Its not human, perhaps fairly close, but not human. It's bipedal, sentient, self aware with a high degree of consciousness. If it has a language of its own and could perhaps even learn English, what then? All of a sudden, you'd have an animal, behaiving like man. An animal that could be considered a person, not human perhaps, but a person non the less. Image the religious and legal implications!

Mainstream religion will never handle that. Man was placed above animals remember. Religion wont let that applecart be upset any time soon.

A point to note. In the 70s and 80s, apes where talk sign language (ASL). It was successful to a large degree with Orangs and Gorillas, but mostly with Chimps. The Chimps were able to learn to sign several hundred words. Some were even able to use them in fairly complex abstact sentence structures. No where near as sofisticated as us to be sure, but none the less they could communicate with ASL, childlike yet fairly complex ideas where able to be expressed. What happened with all that research? It was too successful. You cant demonstate animals displaying humanlike behaviour or attributes. Somethings just wont fly in our society. To be put it simply, their research funding was severely cut.

Western society may have come along way in the last two or three centuries, however we are still quite specist as a whole.

Regards

Folcrom.

Well put Folcrum.

I remeber the ASL programs done with chimps. I remember one bit of footage with I think was from Leonard Nimoy (Spock) in the "in search of" series.

He was at a zoo where he was filming a segement with a trainer and a chimp. During the take, a jet flew over head... the chimp signed something and the keeper started laughing.

Leonard asked what the chimp had signed and the keeper replied that he'd cracked a joke to the effect of "If that (jet) does a sh*t we'll be in trouble."

Communicating is one thing, sharing a joke is totally different. We've often experimented on so called "dumb" animals, it would be harder for some people to justify the horrible things we do to chimps and other animals in the name of science and cosmetics.

A new classified "Human" would certainly turn a few things upside down.

Cheers Buck

You see the dilema then, hey Buck.

Imagine a court room.

A Chimp that has been taught ASl protests in front of Judge, complaining about his demeaning treatment in a research lab. Describing great in detail how he/she has been mistreated and abused.

The court appointed translator accurately renders the ASL in English (with an astonished look on her face).

The judge listens intently and has to make a decision based on the merit of the case.

Imagine the thoughts going through the judges mind.

Does the law apply to sentient non-humans?
What is the definition of sentience?
Is the ASL trained Chimp a person in its own right?
What does that mean for all Chimps as a whole?
Are other Apes also ASL capable? Are they people?
What about other intelligent species, Cetacians etc?
Does the Chimp has a right to compensation?
Are humans guilty of "crimes against sentient beings" in their treatment of animals?

Its one thing for animal rights activists to make a stand and go to court on behalf of animals, but what would happen if an animal was able to do so in person? The effect would be both staggering and profound.

What if a Judge decided such a Chimp was a person and therefore entitled to protection under the law? With the same rights as you or I.

Imaging also the people (religious) protesting outside the court. A chimp is an animal, it has no rights bar what we give it. Humans were given dominion of the Earth by God. Blah, blah etc etc.

It would open one hell of a can of worms.

Such a situation is even more possible with a creature as intelligent as a Yowie or a Sasquacth. Should one be captured, learn our language and be brought to public attension. One enormous can of worms would be ready to spill.

Regards

Folcrom.

I'm fairly certain it's a meat eater. Atleast occasionally. I'm sure it's smart and large brains need protein. Fish, bugs, lizards, yabbies, birds, mice, rats, small cats, pigs. Plenty to scavenge. Humans? It's not uncommon for Apes to eat other Apes. Early hominids were cannibalistic. Being a solitary fringe dweller the Yowie must be a survival opportunist. Even Bamby would bite you if provoked but remember that stalking is 'hunting'.

Only 3 possible responses.
1) Fight.
2) Flee.
3) Dance.

Do? Do nothing. Don't step away from or towards it. Either action is likely to bring about the opposite reaction in the Yowie to that hoped for.

Chase it and an animal runs. Run from it and it may get curious and chase YOU!

Music and dance is as universal as mathematics. The loud beat from a .303 rifle will in my opinion make any animal dance.