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No I got nothing Chewy, which makes it sound like bs I know. Once I realised what was going on and sure of what I was seeing I tried not to look straight at it. I simply sat there for a while wondering what to do. Rather than try to film some obscure partially hidden figure in the bushes in reasonably poor light I thought if I walked out around past the area where it was, it would have to move and I would get a shot of it that way maybe scurrying off through the bush, and I would also be that much closer to the car. Possibly a mistake, but that's what I did. I found nothing there but realised it was behind me again. Being puzzled by this I tried something similar but again found nothing. This was really surprising because at no time did it seem to make a noise, I found it impossible to move around without crunching twigs etc. I had a reasonable line of site to it each time, but there was no direct path of approach even if I wanted to walk straight towards it. Each time i changed position I lost direct visual of where it was due to walking around trees bushes etc but simply kept the area of where it was in focus. In the end it was starting to get dark so I left.

From what I saw it was no hulking giant or anything, the impression I have is that it would not have been much taller than myself, possibly even shorter (a guess though as I never saw it standing up). There was nothing aggressive about it in any way, only what appeared to be curiosity. I feel something of the frustration that many others have probably felt, as even the one I love and have spent most of a lifetime with (wife) simply feels I mistook/misidentified something. Though I do understand, as to her it is an impossibility, and in the end all I have wanted is to find answers for myself anyway. I know what I saw. I got a good view of chest/shoulders/head and this is what I have to go on. At no time did I view it fully or completely upright, which I understand adds no wieght to what I say. It was definitely primate. The closest thing I have to liken it to is to imagine an orangutan with long hair. Not the best descripton and there were things that would seem to make it appear different to an actual orangutan, but the closest I can come up with.

sapere aude wrote:No I got nothing Chewy, which makes it sound like bs I know.

Thats a shame but I'm not blaming you for that when push comes to shove its always harder than it sounds and no it doesnt sound like BS.

Well if it was yowie it’s not the first time I have heard of them to seemingly disappear into thin air, not from my own experience but from others. Although having said that there was this one time where I heard footsteps only to investigate and find nothing that was in Victoria one afternoon just north of Bunyip state park. I must say that had me stumped. I tried in all honesty to rationalize the situation but couldn’t get my head around it. Sounds like you had a similar experience only you had a visual of something that you say looked Primate.

The ability to somehow disappear when pursued comes as no surprise, It comes back to this age old Flesh and blood vs Paranormal debate, what are they? I guess we may never know. I believe there a bit of both.

I can tell from your post that you thought your way around the situation and were able to rationalize, which is good.

The only thing that raises a few questions for me is you said it was definitely primate and looked like an orang-utan but slightly different as far as I know (going of my own experience) they don’t look anything like an orang-utan, but to judge you on that would be wrong, as I have never seen a face of a yowie to compare too only the back of one. It could be a different species who knows you can only go off of your own experiences. Like I say I won’t judge you on that and I believe what you’re saying. There is nothing worse than to have an experience of you own and to come to a forum where you believe you can talk about it openly only to be told your full of BS, that’s not what this forum is about, its about being able to discuss all manner of things no matter how different the claim.

BTW Thanks for posting and sharing your experience it’s a good one hope to hear more from you.

PS: Most likely different species.

Cheers mate

Thanks for that Chewy. That's very kind and unassuming of you. Though I live with a pretty tough skeptic and have even been known to be a bit this way myself at times. In this way I don't necessarily expect anyone to just believe me. To speak to someone open minded enough to hold the possibility open, as well as the possibility that I might not simply be a nutter is enough for me. So thank you for the understanding. As to it being questionable in some ways, none more so than for myself I can assure you.

The notion has been put to me already, in a less than flattering way, that I simply saw something in amongst the bush that wasn't really there (thanks to my lovely wife:) ). Though I went to some lengths at the time and since to explore this possibility and have dismissed it, personally. I feel quite sure that if it wasn't some powerful type of hallucination, then I saw something very real.

I did get a pretty good look what I saw. It was the same brown/red almost orange colour as an orangutan with similar body hair. Though much wider, very square shoulders. Somehow it's head appeared longer and more “egg shaped” with a very dark face, eyes bigger and further apart. The real weirdness comes from the long matted hair hanging around it's head. If you've ever seen a a person with dark brown hair turning grey, it was like this. Mottled with some patches of almost white and a very healthy fleck of grey/silver throughout, though much darker colour on top of it's head. Though definately primate as in, simian/monkey/ape.

The orange color is what caught my eye first because it seemed out of place. While studying this I realised there was a head attached to it with a face and eyes peering at me quite intently. Like when you look at a 3d figure and it all suddenly comes into focus, which was a little bit of a shock. I can see the real possibility of looking at it without really noticing what it was. It wasn't so much hiding behind a bush, as leaning forward through the bush with it's head almost sticking out.

If I had just seen it once breifly I would be prepared to pass it off as a very realistic anomoly. But it wasn't really like this. Also to find when I looked in the area (scratching my head) that the exact same creature (not similarr, exactly the same) had moved and was now in a completely different position back where I had just come from leaves me not only with no doubt, but extremely puzzled as to how this could have occurred without seeing it move, or at least hearing it move. When I saw it behind me the second time, while still partly obscured, it was at least far less camouflaged. Eventually I went back to my original position (sitting on a log) and looked to where I had originally seen this thing. I found nothing to even remotely suggest I could have mistaken something for it.

I had thought I would simply like to know if anything like this could exist, at which point I would know and would stop looking. I certainly don't want to become obsessive about it. Though there are still too many questions for an inquisitive person at this stage. Though nothing at all at the time that could be seen as aggressive in any way, I still found myself a bit reluctant yesterday to go too far away from the car. Perhaps something spooked me a bit more than I first realised. I'm sure I will get over it.

Hi again sapere aude

Yeah even though I have had an encounter myself I am still a bit of a sceptic to things, a healthy scepticism that is. I really shouldn’t be though as I have seen some things in my life so far not to be.

In regards to your encounter thanks for that, that added detail seems more Yowie to me now, not that it wasn’t before just your description of orang-utan put me off.

Getting back to the bush is always a little difficult after a sighting so I don’t blame you there in regards to not wanting to venture to far from the car that happens to most people. Once you’ve had an encounter you never see the bush the same way as you used to.

And yes most likely it will become obsessive lol if you’re like me and always want some more information and answers to validate things it will definitely become obsessive. But not too obsessive.

Thanks for the update.

Epistle II of Horace's Epistularum liber primus: Dimidium facti qui coepit habet: sapere aude ("He who has begun is half done: dare to know!").

Thanks for noticing that Mike. I thought it would be a fitting enough motto.

Would love to be fluent enough in the Latin and ancient Greek of the old epic poets and other classical works, I have been told they are a very different read this way. Saddly for me it wasn't on the curriculum in the sixth grade.

re: the sandprints

I can't see a sole pattern in the pics, but there is a new product niche hitting the market that may make all of the questionable footprints more questionable..... check out this link.

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/produc ... _KSO_m.cfm

When I grow up and get rich I want a pair just to see....lol

I wouldn't say this is what you saw, Dean but it may be seen here soon.

Hi Sapere...Mate they are out there!!!...Im just glad you got out of there when it was turning dark...no need to temp fate my freind...that place has a lot of Unanswerd Questions thats for sure...
Thanks for Sharing mate..And keep safe out there Bro....

NoPolys wrote:there is a new product niche hitting the market that may make all of the questionable footprints more questionable..... check out this link.

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/produc ... _KSO_m.cfm

Geese….. that’s all we need NoPolys, humans walking/running around making Yowie/Bigfoot tracks.

I must say that the activities they tell you that the KSO are best for use are, “Running”, Light Trekking, Climbing/Bouldering, “Running”, Fitness, After Sport, Water Sports, and Yoga/Pilates & Travel.

In fact they tell you there good for “running” twice. They must be good.

I see them being heavily used for climbing for instance but for running they seem a bit thin in the sole, who knows. Besides it looks like you could stub your toe easily.

I don’t see them becoming that popular that everybody has them, they will probably be more popular in Byron Bay with the local hippies than with anything else, I think I would stick to the conventional running shoe or hiking boot myself.

Hi Everyone, I haven't been on here for a while and I'm pleasantly surprised to see Sapere Aude and Rickrocket have joined.

Welcome to you both!

Sapere Aude glad to hear that you are okay after your encounter... I think we've been moving in the same circles LOL.

Cheers

Chris

Thanks Chris.

Yes we may have been moving in the same circles. Not only am I ok but still quite actively pursuing answers to this very subject. Though I am now certainly rethinking solo nocturnal research methods especially where this area is concerned, for the time being at least. Knowing of your interest I was going to pm you a fyi link to this thread in that other circle, though you have saved me the trouble as it now appears completely unnecessary.

Thanks again.

Just like a few people on the board I've had some encounters that have rattled me and made me think twice. Hell, my first "real" encounter I was too young to understand it in a way. Since then I've had sticks thrown at me by something completely invisible yet can defiantly hear the footsteps.. heard something running towards me only for it to randomly stop and then hear the footsteps continue at the same pace behind me.

Then again, these are mostly encounters with Junjadee's. I live not 5 minutes from 67 acres of pure bushland that "supposedly" has "little hairy men" in there. A lot of dumped cars, etc in there.

Due to sickness/work, haven't been able to get much field time in there, but I still hear the odd story now and then from people who "swear they saw something small and hairy dash across the road".

Oh, should I start interviewing these people personally with a recorder? Or just remember the details and write out a report later on?

Deadpool, sorry to hear about the health. Hope it picks up for you. Something we often take for granted. Though I know just how much work can cut into spare time . I can see how experiences like you mention would be good motivation to research this subject. I think I would find it impossible not to want to find what might have caused such a thing.

Recently I have thought that rather than satisfy my interest, or form opinion on what I read from others, I would have to get off my @rse and have a look if I really wanted to know anything of this subject for myself. Which is all I have really wanted to do. So I picked two areas that have had good reports. The other area is far more picturesque as it has a lot of rainforest, though I have never found anything unusual in that region so far. The area near Wentworth Falls is proving a different proposition.

I actually feel quite disappointed of now being a bit bluffed in this place. It's certainly restricting the type of research I intended. I am now even getting a bit wary of going too far bush through the day.

A few days ago while looking around sand drifts (for footprints) in an area that certainly has my interest, I went to see what was shuffling around in the bush nearby, thinking it was probably the wallaby I startled earlier. Whatever it was did not want me to go near and made it obvious by thumping the ground the couple of times I went to approach. I know 'roos are said to do this. I know they can get cranky, I still remember watching my wife get chased out of the bush one time by a marsupial version of Arnold Swharzenegger that was making some horrible grunting noises. Though this was in a tourist area where they become very familiar with people. Some of the bucks seem to become quite aggressive. I have had them thumping around plenty of times when camping etc. and know they can sound much bigger than they are, though I have never personally had a 'roo do this towards me or stand it's ground in the bush. I have had plenty of chances for this to happen over the years. Perhaps a first time for everything.

I backed off anyway, though when I did it certainly followed along in the same direction. Once I had my vehicle in sight (making me feel far more comfortable) I picked up some large pieces of sandstone and hurled in the general direction of the sounds. I was expecting to hear clunk clunk through trees then thump as it hit the ground, followed by the sounds of a 'roo hopping away. At least I was hoping to, that's how it usually works. Instead I heard clunk clunk thump...silence....each time I tried.

I had the unmistakable sound of twigs breaking, leaves crunching nearby all the way back to the car (for about 700 m) and then hanging around in the bush near my car for the next 30 minutes. All my efforts to glimpse or flush whatever it was out, or get it to move off, failed. I just wanted to be sure of what it was before I continued on with what I was doing. Just when I thought it might have gone, I would hear leaves crunch or a twig breaking again. In the end I was starting run out of daylight once again so I left. Though I did come back to the same spot later, after it became dark. I didn't venture into the bush at all, just sat on the bonnet for an hour and listened. A very still night, could've heard a pin drop. Had nothing but complete silence.

Another one to add to the list I guess. I have been told to grow a bigger pair next time and just go in and see what it is . In most other places I would have. Though it's easier said than done when things just don't appear normal, seems to against every instinct.

I'm a big fan of following your instincts.
In a case like the one you have just described, I think you did the sensible thing.
Forget machismo and all that testosteron bullshine - rule number one in the bush is do what keeps you alive/safe.

If I was in your exact situation, I wouldn't have gone in after whatever it was either - this is why it is a really good idea to have a buddy with you.

I look forward to more of your reports, Sapere, you really seem pretty fearless to me!

Shazz

I totally agree, I wouldn't have gone in after dark even if you payed me. Patience is the key when it comes to these kinda things mostly. If it comes to you and you're in/sitting on your car, you're relatively safe - the minute you stray into the bush, you're technically on their territory. Essentially, you're throwing yourself into the deep end, and as the saying goes "here there be monsters".

Hey sapere aude and Heffo7 good to see you guys on here. Would have had said hello earlier but I have been away the last couple of weeks. Glad to see you`ve had your own experience Sapere. Its just a shame more people don`t show the same commitment as you have and actually get out in the bush and spend some time checking these areas out. I enjoyed our discussion on ATS and am happy you guys are now contibuting to this forum.

Thanks SAB8. I enjoyed our discussion also. I figured it's a little easy and perhaps unfair to sit back and think "probably bs", also unnecessary as there's only one way to really know.

Really the reason I joined here is because I had originally been negative towards a certain claimed encounter, I thought it only fair to comment in support of the notion that there is something in that region, where I might not have otherwise.

What I have found is puzzling more than anything. To this end and feeling I have done as i should, I now feel I should stop talking, but look for answers. Until I get that pic......