New Photo Feb 2016

[macquariedave]

You both stated your own opinions from the start.

Stop bitching about nothing, like little girls.

Both of you go find a photo from your own observations and document here, otherwise move on please.

Yes sir!!!

[bushyankee]

Dave did you get those eyes checked out yet? You might need reading glasses like many your age. Up to about 3.0 diopters you can get them cheaply at the grocery store.

[bushyankee]

I have been reluctant to post this photo I captured in a location North of Brisbane back in february. 3 of us, me, my daughter who freaked out and another fellow, observed this critter watching us. After I took the photo it got up and walked off deep into the mangrove forest. Yes, this was taken at a mangrove. Lesson here is dont take my kid again as I could follow this fellow because she want to return to safety

It was taken on a Cannon 600D on tripod 500MM signma lens. Will edited this with full shot details later. Please find below both photos that have been zoomed and cropped for better viewing. They are a little low res in order to load them here. The object was at around 60 meters from us. we spotted it first by movement, then bino's before getting the camera on him. He sat in this spot for a few minutes before taking off.

Nice catch Ray. I see a face in there.

Don't sweat the comments, many here haven't seen a yowie so they don't know what to look for. Others have a strong predisposition against existence and will deny all evidence.

[macquariedave]

Dave did you get those eyes checked out yet? You might need reading glasses like many your age. Up to about 3.0 diopters you can get them cheaply at the grocery store.

Regularly, in fact the last time I got a new prescription was because my short-sightedness had IMPROVED. Specsavers did talk me in to getting some reading glasses as well, and I did so because of the relatively low cost, but I rarely seem to need to use them. My present general spectacles are fine, but unfortunately they only let me see what is there and have no influence on allowing me to see, or imagine to see, that which may or may not be there as suggested by others. Perhaps I should have paid extra for the 'Pareidolia' add-on. Your obvious concern is touching but misplaced . . .

[macquariedave]

I have been reluctant to post this photo I captured in a location North of Brisbane back in february. 3 of us, me, my daughter who freaked out and another fellow, observed this critter watching us. After I took the photo it got up and walked off deep into the mangrove forest. Yes, this was taken at a mangrove. Lesson here is dont take my kid again as I could follow this fellow because she want to return to safety

It was taken on a Cannon 600D on tripod 500MM signma lens. Will edited this with full shot details later. Please find below both photos that have been zoomed and cropped for better viewing. They are a little low res in order to load them here. The object was at around 60 meters from us. we spotted it first by movement, then bino's before getting the camera on him. He sat in this spot for a few minutes before taking off.

Nice catch Ray. I see a face in there.

Don't sweat the comments, many here haven't seen a yowie so they don't know what to look for. Others have a strong predisposition against existence and will deny all evidence.

Some interesting links:
https://squatchdetective.wordpress.com/ ... the-field/
https://squatchdetective.wordpress.com/ ... s-to-rest/

[bushyankee]

Pretty sure I'm not interested in your links Dave.

I stay on the positive, creative side of the bigfoot issue so my interests are designing optical and audio traps, learning photography and videography, learning video editing, rendering, encoding etc. Its a creative outlet as much as anything else. Finding it, depicting it and trying to understand where it fits in and where we fit in are the best parts of yowie/BF hunting. All the yammering and debating and hand wringing and finger pointing ain't for me. I am way past the existence debate.

It is difficult for me to understand why someone who does not believe in bigfoot hangs around on a bigfoot site and feels they must demean anyone who presents imagery.

[TrevorPeters]

Well this thread got out of hand fairly quickly, much to the detriment of all concerned.

Didn't you all see this post? Or did you just ignore it and decide to keep on sniping?

You both stated your own opinions from the start.

Stop bitching about nothing, like little girls.

Both of you go find a photo from your own observations and document here, otherwise move on please.

All I'm seeing in this thread is a lot of disrespect for other people, regardless of the opinions.

There is no forum condition that I am aware of that says non-believer's can't post here.
There is likewise no rule that says if someone doesn't agree with your opinion or conviction then you have the "right" to attack or demean them.

There is a very large difference between debating the analysis of evidence (or the validity of a theory) and taking or giving personal offence by one's comments.
i.e. debating an idea vs attacking a person and their self-worth.

If you don't know the difference I respectfully suggest you learn.

Please educate me on the valid reason why character assassination and this sort of sniping is acceptable on this forum.

If you can make your case then I will leave immediately and do my own thing. I want nothing to do with it.

[macquariedave]

Pretty sure I'm not interested in your links Dave.

I stay on the positive, creative side of the bigfoot issue so my interests are designing optical and audio traps, learning photography and videography, learning video editing, rendering, encoding etc. Its a creative outlet as much as anything else. Finding it, depicting it and trying to understand where it fits in and where we fit in are the best parts of yowie/BF hunting. All the yammering and debating and hand wringing and finger pointing ain't for me. I am way past the existence debate.

It is difficult for me to understand why someone who does not believe in bigfoot hangs around on a bigfoot site and feels they must demean anyone who presents imagery.

Well, for a start, I NEVER use the word "believe", believing (sorry) with people like Loren Coleman that it it indicates a mindless religious-like my minds all made up - don't trouble me with other opinions attitude (and you "yankees" seem sadly particularly addicted to religious belief). I "hang around bigfoot sites" because like the majority of folks who do are naturally curious and wish to learn more. I'm not "demeaning" Ray's verbal evidence (i.e. I don't dispute his account of his experience), just subjecting the claimed photographic evidence of it to sensible scrutiny. Being a mindless believer, you obviously have a problem with this, which as I say, is your problem and not mine. What have you got against the scientific process? I suggest you stop being so sensitive.

[Yowie bait]

Well this thread got out of hand fairly quickly, much to the detriment of all concerned.

Didn't you all see this post? Or did you just ignore it and decide to keep on sniping?

You both stated your own opinions from the start.

Stop bitching about nothing, like little girls.

Both of you go find a photo from your own observations and document here, otherwise move on please.

All I'm seeing in this thread is a lot of disrespect for other people, regardless of the opinions.

There is no forum condition that I am aware of that says non-believer's can't post here.
There is likewise no rule that says if someone doesn't agree with your opinion or conviction then you have the "right" to attack or demean them.

There is a very large difference between debating the analysis of evidence (or the validity of a theory) and taking or giving personal offence by one's comments.
i.e. debating an idea vs attacking a person and their self-worth.

If you don't know the difference I respectfully suggest you learn.

Please educate me on the valid reason why character assassination and this sort of sniping is acceptable on this forum.

If you can make your case then I will leave immediately and do my own thing. I want nothing to do with it.

Yeah poor Ray. He cops it with the tree seats and now all this for sharing his photo and cool mangrove monster sighting.

Regardless what anyone may see or not see in the photo , Ray and two other witnesses saw this thing in the mangroves which is something different. Good cover and lots of tucker in there like crabs,water dragons and those worms in the mangrove roots;birds etc.

[Scarts]

Nobody here has character assassinated Ray or said he didn't see what he said he saw. What has been said is Ray's photos fail to adequately capture what Ray says he saw.

If you try to photograph something and fail, why show the photo? Why show a photo with a glaring absence of what you say you photographed?

[bushyankee]

What you have here is, out of thousands of readers, a couple of very vocal jackasses who feel their opinions are rather more important than others.

They produce no imagery themselves, they advance no portion of the research, they essentially contribute nothing to the search for Yowie. They are not researchers.

Simply put, they are suppressing yowie research by discouraging the presentation and consideration of potential imagery.

One or two Luddites should not making personal attacks on those who are attempting to contribute to the field. Those predisposed to complete denial really have no place on a Yowie hunting website.

There should be a "researchers only" section where you are only granted access if you've been contributing significantly to the investigations. I would be posting imagery daily in such a section.

[Scarts]

Hi bushyankee, are you yanking our chains? Any fool can set up a camera and call him or herself a researcher. The real research is in the analysis, which as we have seen is not of a high calibre.

So, photos of nothing equals something to you? You want to create a section where researchers pat each other on their backs for their efforts even though photo after photo shows nothing. Nothing for all their hard efforts and valuable time spent on nothing. The truth hurts.

[Ray Doherty]

As I have mentioned numerous time the photo was 50-50 to begin with hence why I had been reluctant to share it however you all seem to forget I have two other witnesses with me who saw it as plain as day. Yes, the depth of field was off, and the camera was on manual mode but yes there is a problem obviously with the camera as it didnt lock on properly but stupid me though I would share it anyway.

That being said I have spent hundreds of hours photographing animals in the bush and Im pretty good at it hence my work with National Parks over the last year. I'm not an idiot but I know there are problems with the photo. If you cant see it fine, great if you can see it, I dont care! it was put up for discussion no other reason, make of it what you will.

I do have other photos of this and now I have upgraded some software that when I get time I can perhaps sharpen it up a little more.

[Ray Doherty]

Tuckeroo your spot on that where and what it is and thats what we saw and lots of others have seen. I hate drawing lines lol
Scarts is 100% correct, still the high quality pictures still evades us all and will continue to do so until technology can improve where HD or 4K camera can left covertly in the bush for weeks on end. It won't happen in the short term. Im not saying this is evidence Im simply saying that we had an experience and this is the only thing I managed to get. There is video however I am desperately trying to get ahold of the third person who was there for months now who claims he got it on camera as he was the video guy. I have yet to see it myself so I dont know.

Anyway thanks all for your feedback, as I said shitty shot but we plug away

[Searcher]

As I have mentioned numerous time the photo was 50-50 to begin with hence why I had been reluctant to share it however you all seem to forget I have two other witnesses with me who saw it as plain as day. .

Not everyone, Ray. My previous post gave credit to your other witnesses.

Hey...that's exciting about the possibility of some video! If we can see some definitive movement, everything changes.

Again, thanks for sharing this sighting and explaining about the photos you bravely posted, knowing full well they would lead to vigorous debate.

[Yowie bait]

Tuckeroo your spot on that where and what it is and thats what we saw and lots of others have seen. I hate drawing lines lol
Scarts is 100% correct, still the high quality pictures still evades us all and will continue to do so until technology can improve where HD or 4K camera can left covertly in the bush for weeks on end. It won't happen in the short term. Im not saying this is evidence Im simply saying that we had an experience and this is the only thing I managed to get. There is video however I am desperately trying to get ahold of the third person who was there for months now who claims he got it on camera as he was the video guy. I have yet to see it myself so I dont know.

Anyway thanks all for your feedback, as I said shitty shot but we plug away

Actually Ray ,Scarts is not 100% correct. He is merely stating an opinion,as are you. There is no way of knowing who out there has clear hd photos. There could be hundreds out there that have no intention of showing them to anyone ever. Doubt theyd post them on here for obvious reasons.

Who is to say there isnt clear pics from the 70s and 80s before digital technology was forced upon us.

Dean said himself there was these brothers (bird brothers?) Who had a great video with footage of a yowie but they watched it so much its now unwatchable. If thats the case then thats only one. Sure to be others out there. We just aint seen em.

Thanks again for sharing your photos. I still see something there and couldn't give a toss what Scarts or anyone else thinks. Ive been on punk rock forums with more decorum and respect than some of the blokes on here!

[Scarts]

Thanks for sharing your opinion, tuckeroo. Rest assured, the feeling is mutual.

G'day Ray,

The moment you choose to share a photo on a board like this, you have to appreciate you are opening yourself up to intense criticism. I don't know if you realised, but your photos followed on hot on the heels of bushtuckerman's photos in the controversial section, which may just have been bad timing. So, unfortunately, your photos landed in a particularly hot climate of recent offensively dodgy photos.

I see you will continue in your quest, rain, hail, or shine and nothing will deter you.

For this reason, I will ask you to look at two things. The first is your belief in what you think the yowie is, and the second, is how you go about your business.

If you choose to believe you are chasing after an elusive and primitive bush ape or monster, I can see why your hopes of getting a clear photo are high. But how many years had it been now? Perhaps this popular concept is wrong.

If you take an indigenous approach however, you are instead chasing after a humanoid who's sole function in life is to look after a particular area of land and knows every tree, rock, blade of grass, and animal living in that ecosystem. It knows, hours if not days before, of your pending arrival. It also knows that any clear photo you get will jeopardise the land it is invested in protecting.

Something for you to think about, because it's clear from the photos you have put up, that should you ever get a clear photo, you will put it straight up here and attract all manner of disruptive humans onto that land. This could explain why you continue to get the results you do.

If you truly want to learn about the Yowie, instead of being obsessed about your trophy photo, you will leave the cameras behind and start thinking in land conservation terms of how you can improve that area of land you have become so familiar with. I mean, it couldn't hurt, considering the amount of time you spend there, and you might have a rewarding encounter.

Secondly, if you find your obsession to get a clear photo is just too strong, do away with your hand held cameras. They haven't worked so far. Get yourself a pair of high quality spy camera sunglasses instead. An hour and a half of recording time. What you see should match what you record. The yowie will already know beforehand, and will be ten times more careful and cautious staying five steps ahead of you, but it may be a good exercise for you and help you to enjoy the bush location you're at a lot more, by not having to constantly worry about your camera.

[Yowie bait]

Excellent post Scarts. Great advice for any budding yowie hunter.

[Wolf]

Perhaps the original poster cold post an image with the outline of what he believes to be there?

Anyone researching with a camera please NEVER have auto-focus on. Practice manually focussing on things several layers back until you get fast with it. Auto-focus will always 'grab' something in the foreground, better to be focused too far back than not enough as too far will be much clearer than too near.

speaking of pareidolia... sweet jesus!

[Ray Doherty]

Thanks for sharing your opinion, tuckeroo. Rest assured, the feeling is mutual.

G'day Ray,

The moment you choose to share a photo on a board like this, you have to appreciate you are opening yourself up to intense criticism. I don't know if you realised, but your photos followed on hot on the heels of bushtuckerman's photos in the controversial section, which may just have been bad timing. So, unfortunately, your photos landed in a particularly hot climate of recent offensively dodgy photos.

I see you will continue in your quest, rain, hail, or shine and nothing will deter you.

For this reason, I will ask you to look at two things. The first is your belief in what you think the yowie is, and the second, is how you go about your business.

If you choose to believe you are chasing after an elusive and primitive bush ape or monster, I can see why your hopes of getting a clear photo are high. But how many years had it been now? Perhaps this popular concept is wrong.

If you take an indigenous approach however, you are instead chasing after a humanoid who's sole function in life is to look after a particular area of land and knows every tree, rock, blade of grass, and animal living in that ecosystem. It knows, hours if not days before, of your pending arrival. It also knows that any clear photo you get will jeopardise the land it is invested in protecting.

Something for you to think about, because it's clear from the photos you have put up, that should you ever get a clear photo, you will put it straight up here and attract all manner of disruptive humans onto that land. This could explain why you continue to get the results you do.

If you truly want to learn about the Yowie, instead of being obsessed about your trophy photo, you will leave the cameras behind and start thinking in land conservation terms of how you can improve that area of land you have become so familiar with. I mean, it couldn't hurt, considering the amount of time you spend there, and you might have a rewarding encounter.

Secondly, if you find your obsession to get a clear photo is just too strong, do away with your hand held cameras. They haven't worked so far. Get yourself a pair of high quality spy camera sunglasses instead. An hour and a half of recording time. What you see should match what you record. The yowie will already know beforehand, and will be ten times more careful and cautious staying five steps ahead of you, but it may be a good exercise for you and help you to enjoy the bush location you're at a lot more, by not having to constantly worry about your camera.

Hi Scarts - thanks for your reply.

Firstly let me say in the first instance that you are 100% correct in everything you are saying. You and I have both spoken privately on these matters and our differing points of view however given your background I absolutely agree with the need not only for better evidence but for proper and in-depth investigation techniques. We have spoken about things at length in the past, So let me tell you how I had previously done things and how I do now.


NOW - due to work and personal circumstances my active research has come to a halt this year. I have been out twice and they where not very extensive trips, not like I normally do. I do not write the long winded reports of my finding anymore purely because I do not have the time as I once did. I accidentally removed them (all my articles and pictures) from this site quite sometime ago where the body of work I had here over the last 7 years I felt was extensive.

However all my older work can be viewed here https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g blogID=3549351587675841566#allposts/src=dashboard

Now, in all honesty some of my earlier work was a little misguided and very early on I was looking through pre determined eyes, i made alot of assumptions, thats not longer the case. I have spent years building a network of trusted researchers, scientists and other professionals in various fields. I spent 5 years studying primatology through every and any text book I can find in order to try and understand my quarry believing they are a form of undiscovered ape. For those of you who actually know me and have been in the field with me know exactly what I am like. I have become more pragmatic these days and more like a skeptic to a degree in order to be sure of things that I have found are what we think them to be.

Previous to the last 18 months I have spend over $100,000 in time, expenses and equipment working nearly full-time in the field for 3 years, there are other researchers out there and some in this forum who have done and committed more over a much longer period. The work is ongoing as is the investigations. In this time I learnt some hard lessons (and still do) the hardest one is photography. in order to get a baseline for wildlife photography you can view that here http://raydoherty.photoshelter.com/gall ... VRWyfmtDY/ so whilst I am no national geographic photographer I am not a putz either!.

The one thing I have learnt is the need to for in-depth work and recreations. Using resources (as well as your own brain) to rule out obvious explanations. the problem is I have no time to the level of work I used to do!) As for the photography is regardless of the equipment and of the skill level of the user, these encounters or sightings as so fleeting, so quick in changing environments. You can have a shot lined up (of any wildlife) using 800 ISO but the subject may move 20 meters and now you need to change to 1600 ISO let alone refocusing and to be frank I am not that quick in changing settings. Not like some. Auto focus doesn't cut it and you need to spend too long in editing to get a image to be usable. So in order to get a good pic you need good glass (lenses) and quick change skills. These things will not pose for you. Most wildlife photographers I have learnt bait an area with food to get shots, or many are staged with tame animals (believe it or not) I know a former Nat Geo photographer that does it all the time

We have tried covert cameras that we have made. Rusty and I speak several times a month bouncing ideas off each other for new camera systems that we make. I use 5 trail camera's, 5 covert camera's, 4 covert audio recorders, long range condenser mic, I have two canon 600D's with 500 mm and 800 mm lenses as well as standard 250 MM. I leave the audio gear, covert cameras and trail cameras in the bush for months at a time only going to resupply and restock them. I have over 2 terabytes of information from last year I haven't even had a chance to review yet. Most of the time we leave a lot of food, do some soft calls and wait, sometimes in the open, other times in a blind with a ghille suit on. The photography is trial and error and whilst these creatures are active during the day the night is when the move freely and unless you have a budget of $100K + for the latest military grade thermal imaging equipment (such as Nat Geo's - Night of the Lions) you wont find much. We (the group of independent researchers I collaborate with) know this and have been through it. Power supply for long term surveillance is a big issue as well

I am not about the trophy photo or the perfect footprint. I collect evidence, evidence that I felt many on this site did seem too interested in such as bedding & nests, dental impressions, hair analysis, food survey's of area's, hand prints, knuckle prints a significant collection of foot print photo's. As they say in law enforcement evidence doesn't lie and in order to prove this thing is real then it is about collecting evidence and follow the evidence which is why me and the group I work have had alot of encounters. All the tedious and laborious job of collecting evidence or looking for evidence. Its not always about sightings and encounters but the collection and the recording of data to build a picture of activity of a region.

Yes, this is a c**p photo, I put it up for discussion but as we and others I know collaborate on new strategies and methods for observing these creatures and most importantly being able to record it - its a work in progress. Lets put this in a little perspective. In the congo, where the greatest population of gorilla's live there are around 200 full time researchers who are well funded and out there looking for gorillas 7 days a week, 365 days per year. In many cases it can take them weeks to locate a study group (read some ranger reports) weeks! now here, there are maybe 60 serious researchers who, are part time at best, under funded, under equipped, under skilled in area hundreds of times bigger than the congo - what hope do you really think we have of answering the question anytime soon.

Scarts, I hope this answers your questions. I care not for the naysayers or the keyboard researchers, because at the end of the day, I, and the ones who I work with know what have seen, heard, smelt and found and the opinion of a few itsnt going to change that

[Ray Doherty]

sorry the first link was broken try this one

http://theaustralianapeproject.blogspot.com.au/

[adventurer]

Wow, what a thread. YB is correct, there would be people out there with clear pics that wont publicize them (including me if i ever got one, of course i would show certain people.) Whatever is out there deserves to be kept at peace.

If someone does want to show them, thats there call, clear pics or not. we all know their out there, so any pic shown will never be up close with bigfoot posing for you. We all know they hide behind trees, so most pics are going to have trees in the dam way. Everyone puts a lot of time into studying these things and money in resources. So i wouldn't disregard any pic. So for those couple that cant stop whinging you need to STFU.

[yowiedan]

Just my thoughts on this...

Not Everyone has a million dollars to buy top quality gear and the Yowies don't make anytime for us to get our camera's set up to give us that one shot which proves to everyone they are infact a real living creature in the Australian Bush. I go out regularly into the Blue Mountains N.S.W and take any evidence I can find being it Footprints or Sound recordings or Pictures or anything which may lead me to gathering evidence in my search for finally proving the existence of our hairy mate. So when I see pictures like "RAY" has supplied keeps me soldiering on to get that picture. Many factors make pictures hard to get, conditions IE( clouds, shadows, wind, rain) can affect the outcome of the Pictures we take. Any evidence we get can be used even if its a grainy or low quality picture, It will help us with our research. Good onya RAY for posting this picture cause I know how hard it is to get a good clear shot, As I said many factors can affect the outcome and the Aussie Bush is a easy place to hide in as it has so many colours in it from greens to browns and black and greys. Well done RAY atleast you get out there and do field research while keyboard warriors sit back and do nothing Well Done Mate Your Doing The Yowie Community Proud.

[Yowie bait]

Wow, what a thread. YB is correct, there would be people out there with clear pics that wont publicize them (including me if i ever got one, of course i would show certain people.) Whatever is out there deserves to be kept at peace.

If someone does want to show them, thats there call, clear pics or not. we all know their out there, so any pic shown will never be up close with bigfoot posing for you. We all know they hide behind trees, so most pics are going to have trees in the dam way. Everyone puts a lot of time into studying these things and money in resources. So i wouldn't disregard any pic. So for those couple that cant stop whinging you need to STFU.

Hi Dee. I was just agreeing with Wolf. I think its great you are still looking for the yowie after the rockings and stalking you and your crew have experienced.


While driving around brisbane i cant help but notice that we are completely surrounded by mountain ranges and forest. Plenty of room for the hairy men to move around in.

I suppose they will take off soon with the heat of summer on the way. Hopefully you will get to see one before then but there's always next year!

To all you researchers out there.Thanks for all the hard work. Who cares if a few people are negative to your efforts. If you think Scarts and Dave are bad then try telling your mates dad that you were just chased along the beach by a giant naked hairy man...with red eyes!

[adventurer]

Thanks YB I'm starting a feeding program shortly.same days same times. Hoping I will get to view one one day ( from a distance I hope lol). Yes there's lots of areas out north brisbane way too. Not dead yet so keep going I say. Thanks.

[Wolf]

"I suppose they will take off soon with the heat of summer on the way. Hopefully you will get to see one before then but there's always next year!" (YB)

wouldn't summer make it easier to find them as they would spend the days sleeping in the coolest possible places?
Any experienced researchers care to comment on migration patterns?

[Yowie bait]

Its said they migrate. I wouldnt know. Good question!

Good luck there Dee. Bananas are cheap at the moment!

[Ray Doherty]

My research has shown me that winter time is great as it is cooler and they will be active earlier in the day than summer. In summer i have found they will in trees more to avoid mozzies in sswamps. I have also found that they.will walk over hot.coals for ssweetcorn and mangoes

[adventurer]

I bought mangoes bananas and honey.
I spend hundreds a week on horse feed,
And spend a lot on dog food.
I came home with the dog and horse food and mangoes,
Bananas and honey.
My partner said about time you bought some food for us,
I know the horses and dogs don't eat that.
I said NO its for the yowies.

[Yowie bait]

I bought mangoes bananas and honey.
I spend hundreds a week on horse feed,
And spend a lot on dog food.
I came home with the dog and horse food and mangoes,
Bananas and honey.
My partner said about time you bought some food for us,
I know the horses and dogs don't eat that.
I said NO its for the yowies.

At least you got your priorities right. The mangoes are expensive at the moment. They'll be rotting all over the streets in a few months. The hairys would be horrified!