Re: Ghosts - what are they really?
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:58 am
Somewhere in a container in the basement garage is a slim booklet published some decades ago in the UK as result of a long-running episode involving Archbishop Cosmo Lang and a select committee of twelve who were tasked with deciding if the deceased are able to communicate with the living. The committee was raised as result of many hundreds/thousands of claims by ordinary people that the departed had communicated with them. The claims were made, in the main, to clergy and doctors and were often the result of incidents during and after the world wars
Those making the claims were sure of what they'd experienced. But such is society that validation rests on the opinions of clergy and doctors, both groups as a rule being sceptical to varying degrees
So, Mrs Jones is scrubbing potatoes during or after one of the world wars when who should appear next to her but her son Gerry, who, as she knows, died during a bomb blast three months ago. 'Hi Mum' said Gerry cheerily. He might have looked fit and healthy or, as in other cases, he may have had half his face missing and blood all down his army uniform. But, in that moment, Mrs Jones sees Gerry there, forgets he's dead and wipes her hands on her apron preparatory to giving him a hug. Then, in an instant, she's alone again in the kitchen. With a grim half smile, she returns to the potatoes. Maybe later, when she's fully composed, she tells her friend Marge about the incident. And Marge nods in understanding -- her own sister had the same thing happen to her when her husband Bert turned up at the end of her bed one night, the same night ,as it turns out, that Bert died when his ship went down. Such incidents were happening all over and some people wanted to know if it meant their deceased loved-one was really dead and if so, how could he turn up for an instant, looking perfectly alive. For answers, they went to their family doctor or vicar or priest, most of whom had no answers other than to advise to carry on and put it behind them
When the questions numbered in many thousands and when people were comparing experiences and distrustful of their priests and doctors, it was decided by the Church of England to conduct research in the hope of quietening the confused masses. None of the other major religions chose to become involved
Archbishop Cosmo Lang was chosen to head the committee of twelve. And the committee was required to read many of the written submissions by those claiming to have been contacted by the deceased in addition, I think, to interviewing many of the claimants
The results were a long time coming --- several decades. It's said that in delaying release of the committee's findings, it was hoped many of the claimants would themselves be deceased and the entire matter would fade to obscurity
Back when the internet was a joy to behold, much of this information was readily accessible. Increasingly however, information is being removed/buried. Which makes me thankful I obtained a copy of the slim little booklet years ago, even though it's buried now somewhere within hundreds of books
What the booklet revealed (and as was accessible online twenty years ago) is that the committee charged with deciding if the dead are able to communicate with the living voted overwhelmingly, ' yes', based on their research/interviews/submissions, etc.
The committee was weighted in favour of 'no', by the way. Those selected for the committee were sceptics. But the evidence apparently swayed them. From memory, ten of the twelve attested that based on evidence provided them, it would seem the dead are able to communicate with the living. The remaining two members abstained from voting ' in the interests of balance ' -- otherwise they too would have voted ' yes '
So disturbing was this to the powers that be, apparently, that they delayed the release of the committee's findings. And when it was released, it was without fanfare
I learned of the committee and its findings from a retired businessman in the UK who, since retirement, has devoted his time and energies to 'survival of physical death'. Upon request, he sent the booklet to me. Along with the booklet, he sent copies of written communication to him, penned by clergy in the UK. A passage from one of these went on to say that these days, most enlightened clergy take pains to include the deceased within funerals and graveside commentary because it's assumed that many deceased choose to attend their own funeral. And every now and then you'll come across someone who claims they saw the deceased at their own funeral. Such claims are usually pooh poohed and those making the claim are often believed to be clutching at straws due to grief, or to have ' seen what they wanted to see ' --- which may be true. On the other hand, perhaps some with the sight actually do see second-cousin Lou at his funeral, even though they had no attachment to him or detested him in life
One thing for which I have little patience is the common belief (apparently) that the physically deceased loiter around cemeteries. Does anyone ask themselves why … if they manifested as a ghost … they'd hang around a cemetery about which they knew and cared even less, when alive? Would you do that? Or would you … as a ghost … choose to hang around places which had value and meaning to you while you were alive, perhaps a favourite pub or club, or special to you place such as a work-shed or garden or even your past employment premises or business?
How many of us know right now where we'll be buried? And those who do know because they purchased the plot years ago --- would you, as a ghost, loiter around that bit of ground in a cemetery, surrounded by other decaying bodies, far from everyone and everything you loved in life ? Surely even the most boring individual would want more from the afterlife?
Yet lucrative ghost-tours haunt cemeteries several nights a week in most major cities and people ooh and ahh and take photos which often contain 'orbs' which they want to believe are evidence of one or more spirits. Far as I know, there are no ghost tours of crematoriums, which begs the question .. why not? Should be the same as cemeteries, spirit-appearance wise. Probably an opportunity for a new business in that ---- crematorium ghost-tours
Those making the claims were sure of what they'd experienced. But such is society that validation rests on the opinions of clergy and doctors, both groups as a rule being sceptical to varying degrees
So, Mrs Jones is scrubbing potatoes during or after one of the world wars when who should appear next to her but her son Gerry, who, as she knows, died during a bomb blast three months ago. 'Hi Mum' said Gerry cheerily. He might have looked fit and healthy or, as in other cases, he may have had half his face missing and blood all down his army uniform. But, in that moment, Mrs Jones sees Gerry there, forgets he's dead and wipes her hands on her apron preparatory to giving him a hug. Then, in an instant, she's alone again in the kitchen. With a grim half smile, she returns to the potatoes. Maybe later, when she's fully composed, she tells her friend Marge about the incident. And Marge nods in understanding -- her own sister had the same thing happen to her when her husband Bert turned up at the end of her bed one night, the same night ,as it turns out, that Bert died when his ship went down. Such incidents were happening all over and some people wanted to know if it meant their deceased loved-one was really dead and if so, how could he turn up for an instant, looking perfectly alive. For answers, they went to their family doctor or vicar or priest, most of whom had no answers other than to advise to carry on and put it behind them
When the questions numbered in many thousands and when people were comparing experiences and distrustful of their priests and doctors, it was decided by the Church of England to conduct research in the hope of quietening the confused masses. None of the other major religions chose to become involved
Archbishop Cosmo Lang was chosen to head the committee of twelve. And the committee was required to read many of the written submissions by those claiming to have been contacted by the deceased in addition, I think, to interviewing many of the claimants
The results were a long time coming --- several decades. It's said that in delaying release of the committee's findings, it was hoped many of the claimants would themselves be deceased and the entire matter would fade to obscurity
Back when the internet was a joy to behold, much of this information was readily accessible. Increasingly however, information is being removed/buried. Which makes me thankful I obtained a copy of the slim little booklet years ago, even though it's buried now somewhere within hundreds of books
What the booklet revealed (and as was accessible online twenty years ago) is that the committee charged with deciding if the dead are able to communicate with the living voted overwhelmingly, ' yes', based on their research/interviews/submissions, etc.
The committee was weighted in favour of 'no', by the way. Those selected for the committee were sceptics. But the evidence apparently swayed them. From memory, ten of the twelve attested that based on evidence provided them, it would seem the dead are able to communicate with the living. The remaining two members abstained from voting ' in the interests of balance ' -- otherwise they too would have voted ' yes '
So disturbing was this to the powers that be, apparently, that they delayed the release of the committee's findings. And when it was released, it was without fanfare
I learned of the committee and its findings from a retired businessman in the UK who, since retirement, has devoted his time and energies to 'survival of physical death'. Upon request, he sent the booklet to me. Along with the booklet, he sent copies of written communication to him, penned by clergy in the UK. A passage from one of these went on to say that these days, most enlightened clergy take pains to include the deceased within funerals and graveside commentary because it's assumed that many deceased choose to attend their own funeral. And every now and then you'll come across someone who claims they saw the deceased at their own funeral. Such claims are usually pooh poohed and those making the claim are often believed to be clutching at straws due to grief, or to have ' seen what they wanted to see ' --- which may be true. On the other hand, perhaps some with the sight actually do see second-cousin Lou at his funeral, even though they had no attachment to him or detested him in life
One thing for which I have little patience is the common belief (apparently) that the physically deceased loiter around cemeteries. Does anyone ask themselves why … if they manifested as a ghost … they'd hang around a cemetery about which they knew and cared even less, when alive? Would you do that? Or would you … as a ghost … choose to hang around places which had value and meaning to you while you were alive, perhaps a favourite pub or club, or special to you place such as a work-shed or garden or even your past employment premises or business?
How many of us know right now where we'll be buried? And those who do know because they purchased the plot years ago --- would you, as a ghost, loiter around that bit of ground in a cemetery, surrounded by other decaying bodies, far from everyone and everything you loved in life ? Surely even the most boring individual would want more from the afterlife?
Yet lucrative ghost-tours haunt cemeteries several nights a week in most major cities and people ooh and ahh and take photos which often contain 'orbs' which they want to believe are evidence of one or more spirits. Far as I know, there are no ghost tours of crematoriums, which begs the question .. why not? Should be the same as cemeteries, spirit-appearance wise. Probably an opportunity for a new business in that ---- crematorium ghost-tours