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Re: Latest findings
Well said, Simon. Another thoughtful post that sums up the situation beautifully.
Your ideas on the Yowie enigma are very similar to mine.
Your ideas on the Yowie enigma are very similar to mine.
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Re: Latest findings
Hi Simon. Just to clear things up mate, i was agreeing with what you said about having an encounter which is why i qouted your post. I should have made a seperate post to talk about the other stuff. Not offended by you or anyone else and enjoy reading everyones posts.Simon M wrote:No worries, YB - I'm not going to take anything personally mate. We're all here to discuss stuff that most people consider myth or fantasy, so we need to be able to make allowances for everyone's take on it. If I've made anyone feel bad with my 'Occam's razor' stuff it wasn't intentional.
There's certainly more going on than we understand, I agree. I just dislike making assumptions unless I can back them up. It's true that the presence of ancient stories regarding these creatures is valuable as evidence, but it's also difficult to know which parts are fact and which parts are pure legend.
I have no doubt that these things exist, none at all. I have no knowledge about their true nature. Some people may have some knowledge that I don't possess, but it's not able to be presented in a format that allows it to be subjected to scientific scrutiny. If knowledge is not communicable then that makes it difficult to prove or even understand.
I don't doubt Wellymon's sincerity, I am just not sure that what he's experiencing is able to be verified. So often these encounters have a 'you had to be there' quality to them, and I think this is part of the issue with their believability. If these things can do stuff which confounds our current understanding of science then it makes them uniquely difficult to study.
Once you add even the tiniest hint of the paranormal into a topic, 95% of people are going to tune out right away; it's just the society we live in. Others will dismiss it on religious grounds and so on. Most people will openly laugh about any suggestion of the supernatural.
I'm not laughing at anyone though, I'm just saying that I can't accept anything that cannot be verified. I cannot believe in creatures that can change physical form, for example. It's not something I can accept, but I can accept that others believe it. I'm not religious, but I accept that some people are and I'm not about to mock them for it. I know lots of intelligent people who are religious, so there must be something to it even if I think it's all untrue. Some people would laugh at me for posting on this forum, so who am I to judge?
As long as we can all discuss this stuff, that's the main thing.
I will say that its not just the " supernatural" lore. Just imagine the info we would have if we had documented the yowie from day one and listened to the elders and sightings etc.
What interests me is just how many types there are. We have reports on grey, tan, black, brown and even white haired yowies. We know of the differeing regional names but are they all just names or different types altogether?Theres the smaller kuritjah, junjudee, junjarri and various types of the bigger yowies mentioned in Aboriginal literature .
We cant be 100 % sure if the smaller are juveniles or adults or what. The Quinkin was said to be "as big as a tree, , like 20 ft or something. Im not sure what size tree they were as big as, so lets just say for now that thats an exaggeration and the Quinkin was only 10 ft tall. Thats still pretty bloody tall and theres modern reports of yowies being larger than that.
Not a very scientific example i know but what im trying to say is its not all supernatural bedtime stories to make kids behave or whatever. We know they exist at least and that alone is an amazing thing. Sorry if im raving, Its been a very hot day out there!!
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Re: Latest findings
No worries YB, I understood mate!
The really large ones could be an example of Yowie megafauna (for all we know), or a type that have become extinct since the time the first human beings arrived here tens of thousands of years ago.
It would be great to have access to the knowledge the Aboriginal Elders had when Europeans first arrived, I agree. I reckon there's still people around who know a fair bit, but they're unlikely to share that knowledge with outsiders or the uninitiated. Can't blame them for that, really. Our nation's history is something we all have to come to grips with, and although we're not the only nation with a bloodstained past, ours is relatively recent compared to most other similar countries (apart from New Zealand, which Cook first arrived at in 1769 and which Tasman had first described in 1642).
I still believe these creatures have some way of scrambling our own five senses - whether it be auditory or hormonal in nature (or both). It could just be primal fear upon actually seeing one of these things, but I think there's more to it than just that.
I dunno...I just think there's so much we can't possibly speculate upon without more solid info. There's too much we can't explain. The more we discuss it, though, and the more people go out looking, the better.
I'm just pleased we have this resource to draw upon - it's one of the most interesting forums I've ever seen. I don't think I've been as impressed by any other online forum in quite the same way.
And yes, Searcher, I think we're all saying the same thing; we just have different vocabularies. I have no context for any of this, so it's all an exercise in thought for me, which is a disadvantage I guess. I have no doubt that these things exist, however.
The really large ones could be an example of Yowie megafauna (for all we know), or a type that have become extinct since the time the first human beings arrived here tens of thousands of years ago.
It would be great to have access to the knowledge the Aboriginal Elders had when Europeans first arrived, I agree. I reckon there's still people around who know a fair bit, but they're unlikely to share that knowledge with outsiders or the uninitiated. Can't blame them for that, really. Our nation's history is something we all have to come to grips with, and although we're not the only nation with a bloodstained past, ours is relatively recent compared to most other similar countries (apart from New Zealand, which Cook first arrived at in 1769 and which Tasman had first described in 1642).
I still believe these creatures have some way of scrambling our own five senses - whether it be auditory or hormonal in nature (or both). It could just be primal fear upon actually seeing one of these things, but I think there's more to it than just that.
I dunno...I just think there's so much we can't possibly speculate upon without more solid info. There's too much we can't explain. The more we discuss it, though, and the more people go out looking, the better.
I'm just pleased we have this resource to draw upon - it's one of the most interesting forums I've ever seen. I don't think I've been as impressed by any other online forum in quite the same way.
And yes, Searcher, I think we're all saying the same thing; we just have different vocabularies. I have no context for any of this, so it's all an exercise in thought for me, which is a disadvantage I guess. I have no doubt that these things exist, however.
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Re: Latest findings
Geez, If anything thats f'n real offending Dion???????Dion wrote:Everyone's welcome here including welly.
Although the airy fairy stuff needs to be pulled into line a bit IMO.
I believe them to have special abilities such as spirit form among many others,
However shape shifting into Bush turkeys and i see them "every day, every day, all the time, night and day " are excessive and can lead people down the wrong path.
A lot off people either lead to one side or the other,......... Scientific or Spiritual.
Do not live in one box without the other, or else you will never discover anything.
Just my 2 cents.
Thanks mate
You have no idea at all buddy, sorry, but how dare you.
My 2 cents???
How condescending is that you smart arse....
Sorry but I've just read up to here on this thread tonight and have no time to read all the comments as, I'm back to work.
Working 18 hrs\ days I really have no time for this, toilet roll holder c**p, round and round.
Rusty you never offended me at all champ
You have always been my mentor and have helped me immensely.
I have yet to send plotwatcher time lapse of them? whatever they are, swinging thru the high canopy in front of my tree house.
Soon mate.
The biggest thing that upsets me Rusty, is the money you fork out, from your own pocket.
For myself I was going to start that journey, but lucky I found out before and just accepted it as it is.
Yes I have changed my beliefs, because I get to experience this every day and every night.
Got that Dion.
Dion I feel sorry for you, as you will never ever get to experience, what we have and keep chasing the unexplainable. Which is centered in your one box, your skeptical mind.
A mind which has lived on this planet for!!!!, I am probably gonna have a guess at this and would say only around, maybe 17000- 18000 days????
I could be wrong and I don't care.
But the fact is
You my friend are just "A speck of dust in a timeline and have not one clue what really happens in this ancient forest"
Cheers
Welly
I will read the other comments and sorry Dion but I had more respect of you than what I just read.
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Re: Latest findings
BREAKING NEWS: Man With Nose Severely Out Of Joint Shoots Himself In The (Big?) Foot.wellymon wrote:
Geez, If anything thats f'n real offending Dion???????
Thanks mate![]()
You have no idea at all buddy, sorry, but how dare you.
My 2 cents???
How condescending is that you smart arse....
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Re: Latest findings
Yeah Simon . Who knows? Maybe they were that big. I find Megafauna is just as interesting as the yowie. Maybe as its more recent than the dinosaurs.Simon M wrote:No worries YB, I understood mate!![]()
The really large ones could be an example of Yowie megafauna (for all we know), or a type that have become extinct since the time the first human beings arrived here tens of thousands of years ago.
It would be great to have access to the knowledge the Aboriginal Elders had when Europeans first arrived, I agree. I reckon there's still people around who know a fair bit, but they're unlikely to share that knowledge with outsiders or the uninitiated. Can't blame them for that, really. Our nation's history is something we all have to come to grips with, and although we're not the only nation with a bloodstained past, ours is relatively recent compared to most other similar countries (apart from New Zealand, which Cook first arrived at in 1769 and which Tasman had first described in 1642).
I still believe these creatures have some way of scrambling our own five senses - whether it be auditory or hormonal in nature (or both). It could just be primal fear upon actually seeing one of these things, but I think there's more to it than just that.
I dunno...I just think there's so much we can't possibly speculate upon without more solid info. There's too much we can't explain. The more we discuss it, though, and the more people go out looking, the better.
I'm just pleased we have this resource to draw upon - it's one of the most interesting forums I've ever seen. I don't think I've been as impressed by any other online forum in quite the same way.
And yes, Searcher, I think we're all saying the same thing; we just have different vocabularies. I have no context for any of this, so it's all an exercise in thought for me, which is a disadvantage I guess. I have no doubt that these things exist, however.
I agree the hairy men may have some mind tampering , psychic or even telekinetic abilities in fact im almost sure of it . Theres a few mentions of memory loss of events leading up to an encounter and other strange mind tampering mentioned by encountees including some researchers here on the forum.
Some believe the hairys can talk and have given up on the research in hope of communicating with the yowie. Sounds odd but these people must have some reason to believe these things.
A book on the yowie or sasquatch written by an indigenous person would be a treat but i doubt it would happen . The fact that they are sacred to some and not to be talked about by others due to impending bad luck would probably prevent that happening although theres a lot of witness reports by Aboriginal people in the Australian yowie book
The yowie affects us all in different ways. Some want to research them or meet them or even just see one. Im convinced most of these lurkers are hunters looking for info and locations to try and hunt and kill one.
Only a year and half ago i hated yowies.Although I could see the humour in what happened to my freind and i , i wanted nothing to do with them. Researchers like therusty222 ; Ray and some members of the forum helped change my point of view.
I think encounters are important as well. Someone said to me recently that they wondered why certain people see these things and others dont. An investigation on witnesses, including blood samples, family history, dna,psychological make up, other paranormal experiences etc could bring in some very interesting results whether its considered circumstantial evidence or not.
As far as research goes, well i think there is some evidence out there with the Australian Ape/yowie project, therusty222, Brindabella yowie research etc
I think the running dark figure on Rustys website is impressive as are the photos on Rays Australian Ape Project site among others.
Really how do you research a being that officially doesnt exist and you have no reference photos or information other than the " circumstantial " evidence of winesses.
Scientists screw the researchers around any chance they get with possible dna samples or potential evidence. Its no wonder researchers have learnt to do their own fingerprinting and dna testing to avoid consulting them.
Video evidence will still have to be proved. Real or fake, once its on youtube its brain food for the hopeful ( myself included!) to scrutinize and decide what it is. Most are ill informed or skeptical and others just want to see what they look like so will believe anything.. and there is some real c**p on there as we all know! It will obviously take a lot more than just obtaining the video footage.
Some of our Aussie researchers are pioneers in my opinion while others are just running around in camo and desperate to be the first to " discover" these reclusive "apes".
I think its going to take some out of the box, radical thinking plus some serious down to earth research,planning and open communication before anyone will get anywhere near revealing and explaining the yowie to the very distracted and skeptical public.
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Re: Latest findings
BREAKING BREAKING NEWS!! Former pro wrestler stirs the pot on yowie forum!!gregvalentine wrote:BREAKING NEWS: Man With Nose Severely Out Of Joint Shoots Himself In The (Big?) Foot.wellymon wrote:
Geez, If anything thats f'n real offending Dion???????
Thanks mate![]()
You have no idea at all buddy, sorry, but how dare you.
My 2 cents???
How condescending is that you smart arse....
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Re: Latest findings
Welly
If you have somehow taken offence at something I wrote then that’s your problem not mine.
I simply pointed out some of the things I disagreed with. Yes we all have different experiences and opinions if we didn’t the world would be a pretty boring place, Yeah?
If you think I am a skeptic you obviously don’t know me very well, I have been at this for some time and simply don’t have the energy to be stomping around the bush looking for them anymore. I do my research here on the web.
Again I don’t believe people “see them every day and every night” unless you’re taking some form of a drug, I am not saying you are but to “see them all the time”?
If you do see them all the time where is the evidence? so far all I have seen is blobsquatches and tales of inexplicable events?
If you come onto a forum and lay claim to the events you are having people are going to ask questions don’t be so quick to take offence to them.
Regards
Dion
If you have somehow taken offence at something I wrote then that’s your problem not mine.
I simply pointed out some of the things I disagreed with. Yes we all have different experiences and opinions if we didn’t the world would be a pretty boring place, Yeah?
If you think I am a skeptic you obviously don’t know me very well, I have been at this for some time and simply don’t have the energy to be stomping around the bush looking for them anymore. I do my research here on the web.
Again I don’t believe people “see them every day and every night” unless you’re taking some form of a drug, I am not saying you are but to “see them all the time”?
If you do see them all the time where is the evidence? so far all I have seen is blobsquatches and tales of inexplicable events?
If you come onto a forum and lay claim to the events you are having people are going to ask questions don’t be so quick to take offence to them.
Regards
Dion
“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” - Nikola Tesla
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Re: Latest findings
I think we all need to be aware that there's a difference between evidence and proof - and Dion's correct to point out that people are going to expect some form of corroboration if a person claims to be seeing these creatures frequently.
I don't think Dion was having a go at you, Wellymon. He was just stating an opinion as far as I could see.
I don't think Dion was having a go at you, Wellymon. He was just stating an opinion as far as I could see.
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Re: Latest findings
Rusty you never offended me at all champ
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You have always been my mentor and have helped me immensely.
I have yet to send plotwatcher time lapse of them? whatever they are, swinging thru the high canopy in front of my tree house.
Soon mate.
The biggest thing that upsets me Rusty, is the money you fork out, from your own pocket.
For myself I was going to start that journey, but lucky I found out before and just accepted it as it is.
Cool , no worries , all good !
Don't worry bout how much money this costs me , the truth is far more important to so many people and this is the path I've chosen .
You have always been my mentor and have helped me immensely.
I have yet to send plotwatcher time lapse of them? whatever they are, swinging thru the high canopy in front of my tree house.
Soon mate.
The biggest thing that upsets me Rusty, is the money you fork out, from your own pocket.
For myself I was going to start that journey, but lucky I found out before and just accepted it as it is.
Cool , no worries , all good !
Don't worry bout how much money this costs me , the truth is far more important to so many people and this is the path I've chosen .
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Re: Latest findings
Dion, Wolf, Simon, Greg Wanker,
who ever wants to jump on this scientific realm????????
Good luck boys, you guys spend too much time on a computer researching c**p........
That MR GOOGLE has and will never have an answer too...........?????????????
Let alone anyone on here.......
You just don't get it, at all.......
I'm having a spit big time..
A. I really thought this was a great site to open up and explain what you yourself witnessed??????
Yeah I get it now, Its a full on scam, IMO
A mediator named Dion????? Obviously conversing with the owner of this forum, have both come to the conclusion, I'm drug fucked???????
Good work fellas???
I have delved in drugs over years, but for 6 months in one whole time span, 24/7 on really high grade liquid acid
???????? Fwank off.
I would love to see anyone at all, in this 3rd dimension bubble we live in take that on????
Personally this journey, which myself and my wife have witnessed in the last 6 months???
We have both felt like, we have been on the biggest acid trip, ever in our lives 24/7????
But way better.
So Dion there is your pathetic answer to drugs mate????
The owner of this forum, obviously has not asked how things are going etc, since I first met him???
IMO he is a hunter, which is why he has had bad experiences????
Yowie Hunters????????????? Negative energy,
Negative experiences etc, Sorry Dean But IMHO this is why you have been apparently attacked????????
Bullshit mate sorry But Yowies don't attack people at all champ?????They are not allowed to at all, from the laws of synergy in this realm we live in???
The footage I have from Deans FLIR, which I had for 3 weeks, will never get realised, as this is sacred...,
HahaSome word apparentently which is scientific????????????????????
Get it????
Myself, after years of reading on this site??
It seems to myself as just a scare monger site??
These Beasts are not allowed to harm us physically at all, let alone enter your house etc...
This fact was the biggest overcoming spectacle of what myself and my wife had been witnessing??????
DO YOU GET THAT??????????
I'm so much at the end of my tether trying to explain on here, to so many no it alls?????
I live in this bush on a HARMONIC VIBRATION LINE........
12 years at least average spending 3 hrss on a deck up high in the trees, listening. looking, hearing grasping the realm of this Ancient forest...
zIf you, who ever don't get it ????? You never will...
I caN'T keep trying to explain or type my/experiences around literate scientific googler heads.????s
Many here on this site, who are only a hand full Yeah???????
ARE A BUNCH OF ARMCHAIR KNOW IT ALLS......
Good :Luck you guys researching GOOGLE into trying to explain the" YOWIE" Synergy law too others, A law which has been around for alot longer than GOOGLE??? Haha
60,000 plus years? plus plus
Haha Dion and thats not days mate??????
Good luck everyone..
I hope the "Book Of Yahi" gets published soon?
Cheers
Welly
who ever wants to jump on this scientific realm????????
Good luck boys, you guys spend too much time on a computer researching c**p........
That MR GOOGLE has and will never have an answer too...........?????????????
Let alone anyone on here.......
You just don't get it, at all.......
I'm having a spit big time..
A. I really thought this was a great site to open up and explain what you yourself witnessed??????
Yeah I get it now, Its a full on scam, IMO
A mediator named Dion????? Obviously conversing with the owner of this forum, have both come to the conclusion, I'm drug fucked???????
Good work fellas???
I have delved in drugs over years, but for 6 months in one whole time span, 24/7 on really high grade liquid acid
???????? Fwank off.
I would love to see anyone at all, in this 3rd dimension bubble we live in take that on????
Personally this journey, which myself and my wife have witnessed in the last 6 months???
We have both felt like, we have been on the biggest acid trip, ever in our lives 24/7????
But way better.
So Dion there is your pathetic answer to drugs mate????
The owner of this forum, obviously has not asked how things are going etc, since I first met him???
IMO he is a hunter, which is why he has had bad experiences????
Yowie Hunters????????????? Negative energy,
Negative experiences etc, Sorry Dean But IMHO this is why you have been apparently attacked????????
Bullshit mate sorry But Yowies don't attack people at all champ?????They are not allowed to at all, from the laws of synergy in this realm we live in???
The footage I have from Deans FLIR, which I had for 3 weeks, will never get realised, as this is sacred...,
HahaSome word apparentently which is scientific????????????????????
Get it????
Myself, after years of reading on this site??
It seems to myself as just a scare monger site??
These Beasts are not allowed to harm us physically at all, let alone enter your house etc...
This fact was the biggest overcoming spectacle of what myself and my wife had been witnessing??????
DO YOU GET THAT??????????
I'm so much at the end of my tether trying to explain on here, to so many no it alls?????
I live in this bush on a HARMONIC VIBRATION LINE........
12 years at least average spending 3 hrss on a deck up high in the trees, listening. looking, hearing grasping the realm of this Ancient forest...
zIf you, who ever don't get it ????? You never will...
I caN'T keep trying to explain or type my/experiences around literate scientific googler heads.????s
Many here on this site, who are only a hand full Yeah???????
ARE A BUNCH OF ARMCHAIR KNOW IT ALLS......
Good :Luck you guys researching GOOGLE into trying to explain the" YOWIE" Synergy law too others, A law which has been around for alot longer than GOOGLE??? Haha
60,000 plus years? plus plus
Haha Dion and thats not days mate??????
Good luck everyone..
I hope the "Book Of Yahi" gets published soon?
Cheers
Welly
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Re: Latest findings
Explains a lot . . . and my name is Greg VALENTINE!wellymon wrote:Dion, Wolf, Simon, Greg Wanker,
who ever wants to jump on this scientific realm????????
I have delved in drugs over years, but for 6 months in one whole time span, 24/7 on really high grade liquid acid
???????? Fwank off
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Re: Latest findings
Clearly, you're upset - but nobody singled you out or targeted you. Nobody has been abusive or insulting.
I've been open about the fact that I have never seen a Yowie, and that I have never had anything that could be described as a paranormal experience. I'm an armchair expert because I have various responsibilities that don't make spending time out in the wilderness a realistic use of my time. I care for someone 24/7 and am on the computer when they're asleep, so field research isn't an option for me. You weren't to know that, of course, but it's not the case that I rely on Google (I use Bing) as I have been reading about this topic since childhood, and have always had an interest in cryptozoology. I'm not really athletic or sporty, so I'm inclined to read a lot...but not necessarily online.
Speaking only for myself, I have stated that I cannot possibly know what another person experienced - because it's often the case that experience is subjective. I cannot know how someone felt at the time they saw or heard whatever it is they saw or heard, for example. If you say you've seen Yowies change form and become birds, then I'm not going to say that's impossible because I haven't seen it. There's a lot of stuff I haven't seen that's still possible. I'm also not going to accept it on face value, though, any more than I accept anything else on face value (such as election promises from politicians, or advertising, or the opinions of journalists, etc).
But it's only common sense that people are going to expect some form of corroboration if you claim to have seen these creatures frequently. If you choose not to share whatever evidence you have, then that's your decision to make. It makes me wonder why you've mentioned it at all if you were not prepared to show it to anyone, though.
Your latest post, in which you are clearly upset, doesn't make the situation any clearer, I'm afraid. All I can ascertain from it is that you're upset and feel that people were attacking you. I don't think that was the case.
People can speak their minds here, but you cannot expect to make such unique claims and not have people comment on them - everyone can speak their mind, just as you can.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you say you've got proof but won't release it because it's sacred. Surely you can see why people might begin to ask you why that's the case?
I've been open about the fact that I have never seen a Yowie, and that I have never had anything that could be described as a paranormal experience. I'm an armchair expert because I have various responsibilities that don't make spending time out in the wilderness a realistic use of my time. I care for someone 24/7 and am on the computer when they're asleep, so field research isn't an option for me. You weren't to know that, of course, but it's not the case that I rely on Google (I use Bing) as I have been reading about this topic since childhood, and have always had an interest in cryptozoology. I'm not really athletic or sporty, so I'm inclined to read a lot...but not necessarily online.
Speaking only for myself, I have stated that I cannot possibly know what another person experienced - because it's often the case that experience is subjective. I cannot know how someone felt at the time they saw or heard whatever it is they saw or heard, for example. If you say you've seen Yowies change form and become birds, then I'm not going to say that's impossible because I haven't seen it. There's a lot of stuff I haven't seen that's still possible. I'm also not going to accept it on face value, though, any more than I accept anything else on face value (such as election promises from politicians, or advertising, or the opinions of journalists, etc).
But it's only common sense that people are going to expect some form of corroboration if you claim to have seen these creatures frequently. If you choose not to share whatever evidence you have, then that's your decision to make. It makes me wonder why you've mentioned it at all if you were not prepared to show it to anyone, though.
Your latest post, in which you are clearly upset, doesn't make the situation any clearer, I'm afraid. All I can ascertain from it is that you're upset and feel that people were attacking you. I don't think that was the case.
People can speak their minds here, but you cannot expect to make such unique claims and not have people comment on them - everyone can speak their mind, just as you can.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and you say you've got proof but won't release it because it's sacred. Surely you can see why people might begin to ask you why that's the case?
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Re: Latest findings
I’ve been followoing this part of the forum for a while and was surprised by the build up of emotions on both sides of the argument…….geez that full moon on Friday night really brought things to a head.
T.
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Re: Latest findings
Well said again Simon.
Sorry for my UpWelling, Im very anger.
I suppose I can look back on this years later, as a documented diary.
This is a great post from the very first thread on here by Pastor Baz, the post is from Pixie Bryne?
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And finally we are having a 'real' discussion.
I have been wondering when we would turn the corner so to speak in the forum, You can all stand up and take a bow please.
It wouldn't hurt to update the website and include more of the true historical significance.
I read letters
from and speak to many Australians with wonderful gifts of knowledge and bush wisdom to share but they are often put off by curtain elements of the site, being that the GI-Joe areas suffer from an extreme lack integrity, and I explain continuously that those reports are just that, reports , they are reports of the [time] and that the invading disrespectful approaches are long since 'put away'
and in no way do they reflect on the mindset of the Australian yowie research team, but until things are changed in there I'm afraid my words are just my words.
It's important for the interested public to know and something the team here know only too well is that if your here to learn about the yowie, you don't need to have a four-wheel drive, or fancy equipment, your not going to see [one] because you went out and bought army greens and doovy-whacka's (not a real word), If you want to learn about the Australian yowie then your going to have to open up your eyes and look at the things that have been right under our noses the whole time.
The land! the people! the first people they are all
still here today, the streams the rivers the trees the wildlife.
the yowie has the knowledge of all of this, they are part of all this.
The yowie are part of the 'first people' they know our traditional landowners very well and our traditional landowners know them, no dramas about it.
to know about the Australian yowie is as simple as knowing the true history of this fantastic country....
study the landscape and vegetation that you see, the shape of the mountains the winding at the rivers, remember these things are the things the yowie see, this is
all part of the habitat that these 'first people' need to survive and have managed to survive [in] for thousands of years long before us, the yowie and the like are all masters of their domain because of that.
If people are asking "what can they do to help ?"
you could suggest that if they feel to do something to help,
then a great place to start is to find out what vegetation, native fruits and other bush tucker plants and grasses and ferns that once grew
in your local areas and put them back some how, maybe just in your back yard or join a land care group once a month, simple things like these can teach you a lot.
and no matter what we do [here] there will
always be a good reason to leave the topic alone, there will always be a "cow-boy" but also there will always be
someone ready to learn and gain wisdom through
awareness,
who are willing to learn to show respect for all or native landowners both non-hairy and hairy, it's paramount that they find the sign post that will show them the way, and thats what the forum needs to be all about..
(smile)
From the help of an elder, Mini Mace, this beautiful knowledgeable lady gave us both insight and teachings of the laws of this ancient land. Thankyou so much Mini.
She said what we are witnessing, many others sell up and move out. Because of their lack of grasping what is real.
I'm splitting up and moving on, leaving what I have created in this bush, an amazing home with amazing energy.
I grasped and understand what is going on here, thats fine.
I must add 5 sets of neighbours both sides of where I live have divorced and moved out????????
I'm not sure what is going on in that retrospect.
Simon I didn't mean to offend you, or anyone here, as well Dion and Dean.
I don't like to be recognised as a drug fwank, thats others assuming?
The point I was trying to explain was, people believe in Deans experiences but won't have a bar of soap of ours???
Deans word of thruth, your belief.
My word of truth, your non belief.
Mr Valentine, if you are going to come on this forum please put positive input in, you only have ever put one line sarcastic smart arse comments
. Cheers mate.
Goodbye
Welly

Sorry for my UpWelling, Im very anger.
I suppose I can look back on this years later, as a documented diary.
This is a great post from the very first thread on here by Pastor Baz, the post is from Pixie Bryne?
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And finally we are having a 'real' discussion.
I have been wondering when we would turn the corner so to speak in the forum, You can all stand up and take a bow please.
It wouldn't hurt to update the website and include more of the true historical significance.
I read letters
from and speak to many Australians with wonderful gifts of knowledge and bush wisdom to share but they are often put off by curtain elements of the site, being that the GI-Joe areas suffer from an extreme lack integrity, and I explain continuously that those reports are just that, reports , they are reports of the [time] and that the invading disrespectful approaches are long since 'put away'
and in no way do they reflect on the mindset of the Australian yowie research team, but until things are changed in there I'm afraid my words are just my words.
It's important for the interested public to know and something the team here know only too well is that if your here to learn about the yowie, you don't need to have a four-wheel drive, or fancy equipment, your not going to see [one] because you went out and bought army greens and doovy-whacka's (not a real word), If you want to learn about the Australian yowie then your going to have to open up your eyes and look at the things that have been right under our noses the whole time.
The land! the people! the first people they are all
still here today, the streams the rivers the trees the wildlife.
the yowie has the knowledge of all of this, they are part of all this.
The yowie are part of the 'first people' they know our traditional landowners very well and our traditional landowners know them, no dramas about it.
to know about the Australian yowie is as simple as knowing the true history of this fantastic country....
study the landscape and vegetation that you see, the shape of the mountains the winding at the rivers, remember these things are the things the yowie see, this is
all part of the habitat that these 'first people' need to survive and have managed to survive [in] for thousands of years long before us, the yowie and the like are all masters of their domain because of that.
If people are asking "what can they do to help ?"
you could suggest that if they feel to do something to help,
then a great place to start is to find out what vegetation, native fruits and other bush tucker plants and grasses and ferns that once grew
in your local areas and put them back some how, maybe just in your back yard or join a land care group once a month, simple things like these can teach you a lot.
and no matter what we do [here] there will
always be a good reason to leave the topic alone, there will always be a "cow-boy" but also there will always be
someone ready to learn and gain wisdom through
awareness,
who are willing to learn to show respect for all or native landowners both non-hairy and hairy, it's paramount that they find the sign post that will show them the way, and thats what the forum needs to be all about..
(smile)
From the help of an elder, Mini Mace, this beautiful knowledgeable lady gave us both insight and teachings of the laws of this ancient land. Thankyou so much Mini.
She said what we are witnessing, many others sell up and move out. Because of their lack of grasping what is real.
I'm splitting up and moving on, leaving what I have created in this bush, an amazing home with amazing energy.
I grasped and understand what is going on here, thats fine.
I must add 5 sets of neighbours both sides of where I live have divorced and moved out????????
I'm not sure what is going on in that retrospect.
Simon I didn't mean to offend you, or anyone here, as well Dion and Dean.
I don't like to be recognised as a drug fwank, thats others assuming?
The point I was trying to explain was, people believe in Deans experiences but won't have a bar of soap of ours???
Deans word of thruth, your belief.
My word of truth, your non belief.
Mr Valentine, if you are going to come on this forum please put positive input in, you only have ever put one line sarcastic smart arse comments
Goodbye
Welly
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You didn't offend me at all, Wellymon, I just didn't want you to feel that people were ganging up on you - that's not a good feeling at all. Being upset is just being human, and we've all done it. It's no big deal.
I agree that there's more going on with these creatures than science can presently explain, and I wouldn't discount anyone's experiences. I think people experience things in different ways, and our perceptions (as I've said elsewhere on this forum) may be as unique as our fingerprints.
I agree that there's more going on with these creatures than science can presently explain, and I wouldn't discount anyone's experiences. I think people experience things in different ways, and our perceptions (as I've said elsewhere on this forum) may be as unique as our fingerprints.
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Greg valentine--what goes around comes around--wellys only saying what most of us are thinking.
Dean--i believe you run around interviewing people about there experiences, why havnt you ever been in touch with some of the people that have experienced on your own forum?? Strange.
I know iv been out bush plenty of times now--with extremely angry ones--and i havnt been physically attacked--theres been many of opportunities for them.
Others on the forum have always said if they have got or one day will get proof they wouldnt show anyone, so why doubt the people that say they have evidence?
I am wondering now that its been bought up--why are you part skeptics not asking "wheres the evidence" to deans scenario?
Just thinking out loud. Ta
Dean--i believe you run around interviewing people about there experiences, why havnt you ever been in touch with some of the people that have experienced on your own forum?? Strange.
I know iv been out bush plenty of times now--with extremely angry ones--and i havnt been physically attacked--theres been many of opportunities for them.
Others on the forum have always said if they have got or one day will get proof they wouldnt show anyone, so why doubt the people that say they have evidence?
I am wondering now that its been bought up--why are you part skeptics not asking "wheres the evidence" to deans scenario?
Just thinking out loud. Ta
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I think Dean's accounts constitute his evidence - I've never known him to say he has any recordings, etc, of his encounters. I could be mistaken, but I've never heard or read anything where he's said that. I can understand why a person wouldn't want to publicly reveal any recordings/video they might have, though. I know I wouldn't be inclined to do that.
I think that's true of 99% of the people here - not every encounter is able to be recorded as they happen randomly and are a shock to people when they do occur, as I'm sure everyone who's had an encounter would know only too well.
I don't think there's anything to be gained by accusing each other of dishonesty, either. I take people's stories on their own merits. If they say that's what they experienced, then I accept that it's their version of events. It doesn't mean I (or anyone else) cannot ask questions, though.
I think that's true of 99% of the people here - not every encounter is able to be recorded as they happen randomly and are a shock to people when they do occur, as I'm sure everyone who's had an encounter would know only too well.
I don't think there's anything to be gained by accusing each other of dishonesty, either. I take people's stories on their own merits. If they say that's what they experienced, then I accept that it's their version of events. It doesn't mean I (or anyone else) cannot ask questions, though.
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I think a big issue here is that a lot of these reports are just that 'reports'.
They are first, second and sometimes third hand information about a topic that has not yet been proven so to speak. Having an experience and then trying convince others of it is going to be a hit and miss affair.
For every report I read on AYR - be it on the audio or written text, I have to take it for what it is. I don't know these folks - are they legit or having a lend? I have to put some trust into the moderators of this forum and go with the flow. It only starts to sound legit in my mind when constant factors keep reoccurring and patterns form.
Again - I state that on this forum we will gain more traction and results by supporting these stories and talking them out than just by smashing them as rubbish. Its good to challenge everything but also applying respect.
Wellymon - keep the reports coming. It seems that the majority want to hear your experiences and talk about them....and challenge them if necessary to get some better understanding.
They are first, second and sometimes third hand information about a topic that has not yet been proven so to speak. Having an experience and then trying convince others of it is going to be a hit and miss affair.
For every report I read on AYR - be it on the audio or written text, I have to take it for what it is. I don't know these folks - are they legit or having a lend? I have to put some trust into the moderators of this forum and go with the flow. It only starts to sound legit in my mind when constant factors keep reoccurring and patterns form.
Again - I state that on this forum we will gain more traction and results by supporting these stories and talking them out than just by smashing them as rubbish. Its good to challenge everything but also applying respect.
Wellymon - keep the reports coming. It seems that the majority want to hear your experiences and talk about them....and challenge them if necessary to get some better understanding.
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Simon M wrote:I think Dean's accounts constitute his evidence - I've never known him to say he has any recordings, etc, of his encounters. I could be mistaken, but I've never heard or read anything where he's said that. I can understand why a person wouldn't want to publicly reveal any recordings/video they might have, though. I know I wouldn't be inclined to do that.
I think that's true of 99% of the people here - not every encounter is able to be recorded as they happen randomly and are a shock to people when they do occur, as I'm sure everyone who's had an encounter would know only too well.
I don't think there's anything to be gained by accusing each other of dishonesty, either. I take people's stories on their own merits. If they say that's what they experienced, then I accept that it's their version of events. It doesn't mean I (or anyone else) cannot ask questions, though.
well said Simon - and most importantly I believe is..." what is the original poster or witness gaining from this? "
99% of the time its nothing. They don't want to be ridiculed. They want to remain anonymous and just want to leave it here for others to explore and discuss. Thats the great equaliser for me.....
I don't get that from the AYR team. Its a research feel I get.
If you ask me about the Jason & Jason team....well thats another story.
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The ayr encountees for audios are well screened. I know this as they didnt bother with mine and i know im telling the truth so at least i know Paul doesn't just interview anyone.
Dean has been throughly scrutinised when he had his attack. Its all in the forum archives if you want to view it
I suggest anyone game enough to report their sightings, do it through the proper channels on the website and not on this forum. You will most probably be ignored or be disappointed if your looking for any kind of support.
You are also all off topic.

Dean has been throughly scrutinised when he had his attack. Its all in the forum archives if you want to view it
I suggest anyone game enough to report their sightings, do it through the proper channels on the website and not on this forum. You will most probably be ignored or be disappointed if your looking for any kind of support.
You are also all off topic.
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wellymon wrote:Dion, Wolf, Simon, Greg Wanker,
who ever wants to jump on this scientific realm????????
Good luck boys, you guys spend too much time on a computer researching c**p........
That MR GOOGLE has and will never have an answer too...........?????????????
Let alone anyone on here.......
You just don't get it, at all.......
I'm having a spit big time..
A. I really thought this was a great site to open up and explain what you yourself witnessed??????
Yeah I get it now, Its a full on scam, IMO
A mediator named Dion????? Obviously conversing with the owner of this forum, have both come to the conclusion, I'm drug fucked???????
Good work fellas???
I have delved in drugs over years, but for 6 months in one whole time span, 24/7 on really high grade liquid acid
???????? Fwank off.
I would love to see anyone at all, in this 3rd dimension bubble we live in take that on????
Personally this journey, which myself and my wife have witnessed in the last 6 months???
We have both felt like, we have been on the biggest acid trip, ever in our lives 24/7????
But way better.
So Dion there is your pathetic answer to drugs mate????
The owner of this forum, obviously has not asked how things are going etc, since I first met him???
IMO he is a hunter, which is why he has had bad experiences????
Yowie Hunters????????????? Negative energy,
Negative experiences etc, Sorry Dean But IMHO this is why you have been apparently attacked????????
Bullshit mate sorry But Yowies don't attack people at all champ?????They are not allowed to at all, from the laws of synergy in this realm we live in???
The footage I have from Deans FLIR, which I had for 3 weeks, will never get realised, as this is sacred...,
HahaSome word apparentently which is scientific????????????????????
Get it????
Myself, after years of reading on this site??
It seems to myself as just a scare monger site??
These Beasts are not allowed to harm us physically at all, let alone enter your house etc...
This fact was the biggest overcoming spectacle of what myself and my wife had been witnessing??????
DO YOU GET THAT??????????
I'm so much at the end of my tether trying to explain on here, to so many no it alls?????
I live in this bush on a HARMONIC VIBRATION LINE........
12 years at least average spending 3 hrss on a deck up high in the trees, listening. looking, hearing grasping the realm of this Ancient forest...
zIf you, who ever don't get it ????? You never will...
I caN'T keep trying to explain or type my/experiences around literate scientific googler heads.????s
Many here on this site, who are only a hand full Yeah???????
ARE A BUNCH OF ARMCHAIR KNOW IT ALLS......
Good :Luck you guys researching GOOGLE into trying to explain the" YOWIE" Synergy law too others, A law which has been around for alot longer than GOOGLE??? Haha
60,000 plus years? plus plus
Haha Dion and thats not days mate??????
Good luck everyone..
I hope the "Book Of Yahi" gets published soon?
Cheers
Welly
Welly, nobody has attacked you mate. Nobody has called you a liar yet you react as if we have.
Reminds me of that Shakespeare quote... how does it go? "Methinks thou doth protest too much"?
Something like that...
...I think the modern term is 'triggered'?
As I have said, your perspective is yours to own and is as valuable as any others. In saying that, please do not disrespect other people's perspective for theirs has equal value to your own, no matter how much you disagree with it.
I agree with you about 'energy'... our individual energetic output determines our own experiences 100%.
But your assumptions about others on this forum are simply that... assumptions. And you know what they say about those?
Anyone has the right to air their own perspectives here, including you. Maybe you are working too hard? 18 hours a day would wear anyone down.
Chill bro.
Back on topic: Rusty, have you considered using FLIR? Researchers in the US seem to have much better luck with that tech. It seems our hairy friends don't realise we can see them with it like they seem to do with regular cameras and infra red.
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Hey Wolf , I do have a flir i5 , it works well but I haven't persisted at night with it . I still think daytime pictures and video would be more convincing to joe public .
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I agree, but even with the best video there will still be sceptics. I reckon that if someone got detailed video of a Yowie's face that might be the clincher for many people. I know I'd be more convinced by seeing a lifelike face - which would be very hard to fake - than I currently am by the dozens and dozens of standard Sasquatch/Yowie videos where they're seen from the back walking away from the cameraman. There are tons of those. It could be the whole 'stalking humans at a 45 degree angle' factor that accounts for the numerous examples of this type of video, or the fact that they're often already in retreat when groups of humans are nearby and finally notice them, but I doubt I'll be truly convinced something is real until I see decent images of a Yowie's facial expressions in one of them.Rusty2 wrote:Hey Wolf , I do have a flir i5 , it works well but I haven't persisted at night with it . I still think daytime pictures and video would be more convincing to joe public .
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That is why the 'tent footage' is to me one of the most convincing bits of film ever (on a par with Patty at least). Not only do we see a very detailed face but we see it frown when it realises there is someone in the tent with a camera.Simon M wrote:I agree, but even with the best video there will still be sceptics. I reckon that if someone got detailed video of a Yowie's face that might be the clincher for many people. I know I'd be more convinced by seeing a lifelike face - which would be very hard to fake - than I currently am by the dozens and dozens of standard Sasquatch/Yowie videos where they're seen from the back walking away from the cameraman. There are tons of those. It could be the whole 'stalking humans at a 45 degree angle' factor that accounts for the numerous examples of this type of video, or the fact that they're often already in retreat when groups of humans are nearby and finally notice them, but I doubt I'll be truly convinced something is real until I see decent images of a Yowie's facial expressions in one of them.Rusty2 wrote:Hey Wolf , I do have a flir i5 , it works well but I haven't persisted at night with it . I still think daytime pictures and video would be more convincing to joe public .
It is the first piece from this compilation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFp6x9WEf0
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Thanks wolf, for convincing me youtube accepts videos of still photographs.
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"That is why the 'tent footage' is to me one of the most convincing bits of film ever (on a par with Patty at least). Not only do we see a very detailed face but we see it frown when it realises there is someone in the tent with a camera.
It is the first piece from this compilation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFp6x9WEf0"
Gday Wolf,
pretty sure the tent video was debunked a while back. That footage was taken by the infamous Rick Dyer...
same guy that claimed that he shot that same creature on the film you posted then took the "body" on a sideshow tour of the US....until it all fell apart.
It is the first piece from this compilation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFp6x9WEf0"
Gday Wolf,
pretty sure the tent video was debunked a while back. That footage was taken by the infamous Rick Dyer...
same guy that claimed that he shot that same creature on the film you posted then took the "body" on a sideshow tour of the US....until it all fell apart.
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Wolf, if you think that tent video is the best video evidence for Bigfoot, clearly you haven't seen Coldplay's music video for "Adventure of a Lifetime".
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The 'tent' video was apparently linked to Dyer originally but others online have stated it had nothing to do with him.
Not sure what you mean by 'stills' in youtube videos, Scarts?
The entity is moving in the video but the youtuber has zoomed in and repeated over and over the few frames of its eyebrows furrowing slightly.
Dunno how anyone could fake this video. It obviously cannot be cgi because of the insect netting. If it is fake it could only be someone in make-up and costume. Haven't we had this discussion before in another thread?
Not sure what you mean by 'stills' in youtube videos, Scarts?
The entity is moving in the video but the youtuber has zoomed in and repeated over and over the few frames of its eyebrows furrowing slightly.
Dunno how anyone could fake this video. It obviously cannot be cgi because of the insect netting. If it is fake it could only be someone in make-up and costume. Haven't we had this discussion before in another thread?
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The tent video is certainly interesting, and I hadn't seen it before, so thanks Wolf.
I'm still too naturally cautious to say it's real....but yeah, I think it's more interesting than most of the other stuff I've seen. It's intriguing, but still not impossible to fake. Could still be some kind of makeup or mask. I'm not sure, to be honest.
I'm still too naturally cautious to say it's real....but yeah, I think it's more interesting than most of the other stuff I've seen. It's intriguing, but still not impossible to fake. Could still be some kind of makeup or mask. I'm not sure, to be honest.