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Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:37 pm**

Hi everyone,
Apologies for not being in contact for so long.

Re: Eden: talking to the Aboriginal elders re the Yowie July 12th and 13th 2008.

Baz: Is this a real phenomenon and what are they?
- Ps Ossie: "Absolutely, this is a real phenomenon. There are two types, the big ones that live in the mountains, and small ones that live in caves nearer to the coast".

Pastor Ossie named the smaller variants, but for the life of me I couldn't get it right. But as far as he was concerned, the reality of the Yowie is the same as the reality of us having a family dog, it is simply a fact.

- "There are many spirit beings in Australia, but the Yowie is a flesh and blood creature, like a gorilla but on two legs. It is the same as the Yeti and the American bigfoot".

He went to great lengths to emphasise (his grandfather was native American) that the Yowie, Yeti, Sasquatch and Bigfoot are the same species, race or group of sentient beings.

Avoiding them
- "When our people knew a Doolagarl was on the mountain, we would stay at the base and light a fire, they hate fire, but we would not go up that mountain".

His people would go to great lengths to avoid an area known for Yowie's, but spoke in the singular not in plural when referring to them. A number of times he emphasised they are in many locations but in very small numbers per region. He also implied to me, that today, just like in his ancestors time, that fire and light was the key to keeping them at bay when camping.

White men and the Yowie
- 300 soldiers were sent into the Kiah valley in world war 2 because too many white fella's started seeing a Doolagarl on the Kiah river and they were scared too go in there and too work in the area.
This confirmed a story that I had heard from the region when I was there in December.

Photo of a real yowie
- Someone in the region has a real photo of a dead Doolagarl but he would not elaborate for obvious reasons.
There you have it, someone indigenous and high up in the cultural structure has a photo or footage hidden somewhere from a fair while ago.

The youth Pastor Jim, who was from a different totem and region had a slightly different opinion. Jim's inland tribe originally worshipped the Rainbow serpent, and Ossie's coastal tribe worshipped a triune creator God, similar to the God of Genesis and Exodus in the bible. Jims region believed the Doolagarl to be more spirit than flesh, but left tangible evidence of itself in terms of sightings, hair, footprints, sounds, sleeping area's and faeces.
Throughout the discussion, the spiritual elements, and paranormal phenomenon surrounding these creatures makes it hard to work out exactly what they are, as they seemingly possess attributes given to flesh and blood creatures and spiritual beings.

I have another story which I am verifying from a first hand witness that is just amazing, not directly involving the Yowie, but spirits that lead children away. This person who was a missionary to an Aboriginal mission last year heard the rumours, then experienced three of these beings first hand in her dormitory. As soon as I get her permission I will post it in the other thread.

As a Pastor talking to a fellow minister, I believe what I was told to be genuine.
In saying that, even with the possibility of photographic evidence, I believe in my heart even after seeing one myself as a child, that these beings are real, sentient, flesh and blood, but at the same time are not entirely of our world, in the same sense that angels have eaten with men in the bible and then dissapeared back to where they came from. It would seem they probably want to be left alone, so my plan is to respect them and give them a wide berth. It is good to know they are there, and exciting, but perhaps investigating them is not the right thing to do, as it woud tend to attract the hunters, media, ASIO, people with wrong motives etc. But it was cool to talk to the elders about them.

God bless you all - Pasta Baz.

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:39 pm**

Pasta Baz wrote:[so my plan is to repsect them and give them a wide berth. It is good to know they are there, and exciting, but perhaps investigating them is not the right thing to do, as it woud tend to attract the hunters, media, ASIO, people with wrong motives etc. But it was cool to talk to the elders about them]

Well Said Pasta Baz !
and on behalf of all our magnificent native landowners and guardians I'd like to say Thank you.

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:32 pm**

Thanks Pixie, I've got so much respect for my Indigenous brothers and sisters, they just give me so much perspective, they are awesome people and....they know what they are talking about. We should just honour them by sitting back and listening and be humbled by the fact that they allow us to hear these stories first hand, especially as Pastor Ossie is 75 years old, a tribal elder, an ex head of the land rights comission and just top bloke. I can't wait to spend a week with the Aboriginal youth at Jigamy near Pambula next January.

Pasta Baz.

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:41 pm**

The indigeneous people i have spoken to in the topend all seem to refer to the yowie with a combination of fear and reverence, i wish i had more time to speak with different groups up here.

cheers all

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:44 pm**

Hi T.E. that's exactly what it's like, fear and reverance. There has to be something to that.
My gut feeling is that is how we have to tread with this subject, with fear and reverance...not a western mindset (observable, repeatable, testable...let's analyse it) but...and I'm speaking now as a Pastor...we have no idea what is in this universe, yet we act like we do because of modernism and then we kind of reel of into post-modernism as a reaction to modernism...but we somehow lost that awe and reverance for those things created before we even existed. Like Pixie affirmed, let's just let them live and let live, leave them alone, understand that as Pastor Ossie said last December "Perhaps they are guardians of the forests". Well, to be honest, maybe we should shut down the whole forum and let them abide in peace.

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:25 pm**

i hear what you are saying, i know that when i probe with some questions, that i am am treading on sensitive ground, many of the people i spoken with only give me answers because we have built up some relationship, but i know that it is a sensitive area and that i should keep my silly " white fella" questioning to myself. I reluctantly tend to agree with you on this issue, i just find it very difficult not to try to find out more about a critter so amazing.

cheers big ears

Posted: **Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:41 pm**

We need more guys like you T.E. because your sensitive to the reality of what's going on and you have respect and honour for the true people of the land...and by the way, my ears are actually pretty big

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:12 am**

Pasta Baz wrote:Well, to be honest, maybe we should shut down the whole forum and let them abide in peace.

Perhaps, but without dedicated and ethical researchers such as is apparent among AYR, who is left as advocate for a creature that most of the public don't even believe exists? The average uneducated joe response to coming across cryptozoological critters is to blast em. Quiet dedicated research, building insight such as your own is probably the only chance at futureproofing against our further encroachment the hairy fellas have. Great account in your posts, and I completely share your awe of the indigenous connection with this land and its otherworldly aspects.

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:10 am**

G'day Shar*Chi, well put. That is the double edged sword that we are dealing with. Before I knew Dean I was a member of a very famous cryptozoology group in the USA and it has shown me that ethics in this area are more important than creating awareness, so you nailed it when you mentioned 'who would advocate' with integrity.

In that group (and I'm not badmouthing them at all) you weren't even allowed to imply the spiritual elements of the creatures, and yet, because I am a Pastor and that's what I deal in, the researchers would contact me privately to share the 'supernatural' stories....which by the way manifest with bigfoot in identical ways to the Yowie. This supports Pastor Ossies view that they are all "brothers and sisters". But how sad is it, that even with first hand evidence, that key researchers have to stick to the 'flesh and blood Giganto' hypothesis or be ostracised in their own community, when it's plain from experience that there is more going on. It can be very political, which is why I reckon you guys are unreal.

Posted: **Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:38 am**

Pasta Baz wrote: In that group (and I'm not badmouthing them at all) you weren't even allowed to imply the spiritual elements of the creatures, and yet, because I am a Pastor and that's what I deal in, the researchers would contact me privately to share the 'supernatural' stories....which by the way manifest with bigfoot in identical ways to the Yowie. This supports Pastor Ossies view that they are all "brothers and sisters". But how sad is it, that even with first hand evidence, that key researchers have to stick to the 'flesh and blood Giganto' hypothesis or be ostracised in their own community, when it's plain from experience that there is more going on. It can be very political, which is why I reckon you guys are unreal.

That’s exactly why I come here to this forum (AYR).

I find the other forums don’t even acknowledge when it comes to other worldly discussions (i.e. the spiritual nature) of this great being. It’s brought up time and again in Native American and aboriginal lore and usually gets a side slip, put in the to hard basket all because in doesn’t revolve around a good flesh and blood theory. I am with you though Pasta not knocking them in anyway they have there place in society just like you and I. I just think they are going about it the wrong way. Although I visit these sites now and again to gather information I don’t partake as the discussion usually ends up being a “shoot to kill to preserve the species approach” which I find downright scary.

In my opinion they are trying to catch something which is beyond there understanding and quite frankly much too intelligent to be caught.

Getting back to the aboriginal elders discussion, really enjoyed the read thanks Pasta.

Look forward to any updates

Posted: **Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:38 am**

And finally we are having a 'real' discussion.

I have been wondering when we would turn the corner so to speak in the forum, You can all stand up and take a bow please.

It wouldn't hurt to update the website and include more of the true historical significance.
I read letters
from and speak to many Australians with wonderful gifts of knowledge and bush wisdom to share but they are often put off by curtain elements of the site, being that the GI-Joe areas suffer from an extreme lack integrity, and I explain continuously that those reports are just that, reports , they are reports of the [time] and that the invading disrespectful approaches are long since 'put away'
and in no way do they reflect on the mindset of the Australian yowie research team, but until things are changed in there I'm afraid my words are just my words.

It's important for the interested public to know and something the team here know only too well is that if your here to learn about the yowie, you don't need to have a four-wheel drive, or fancy equipment, your not going to see [one] because you went out and bought army greens and doovy-whacka's (not a real word), If you want to learn about the Australian yowie then your going to have to open up your eyes and look at the things that have been right under our noses the whole time.
The land! the people! the first people they are all
still here today, the streams the rivers the trees the wildlife.
the yowie has the knowledge of all of this, they are part of all this.
The yowie are part of the 'first people' they know our traditional landowners very well and our traditional landowners know them, no dramas about it.
to know about the Australian yowie is as simple as knowing the true history of this fantastic country....
study the landscape and vegetation that you see, the shape of the mountains the winding at the rivers, remember these things are the things the yowie see, this is
all part of the habitat that these 'first people' need to survive and have managed to survive [in] for thousands of years long before us, the yowie and the like are all masters of their domain because of that.
If people are asking "what can they do to help ?"
you could suggest that if they feel to do something to help,
then a great place to start is to find out what vegetation, native fruits and other bush tucker plants and grasses and ferns that once grew
in your local areas and put them back some how, maybe just in your back yard or join a land care group once a month, simple things like these can teach you a lot.
and no matter what we do [here] there will
always be a good reason to leave the topic alone, there will always be a "cow-boy" but also there will always be
someone ready to learn and gain wisdom through
awareness,
who are willing to learn to show respect for all or native landowners both non-hairy and hairy, it's paramount that they find the sign post that will show them the way, and thats what the forum needs to be all about..
(smile)

Posted: **Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:18 pm**

Aye, finding a reconnection with the dreaming of this land is the most important task facing Aussies.

Meanwhile, if reports from http://www.bigfoottracker.com/ are of any substance there could be a wave of activity about to break. If it's true and someone shot a sasquatch, I think I'll have to vomit. Already there are people posting around the net they are glad someone is 'taking bigfoot on'.

Posted: **Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:11 pm**

Very well put Pixie very well indeed

The indigenous community has much to offer. They have after all lived with these creatures for millennia. So there is a lot to be learned from them.

The only thing I take bush these days is a camera in case I stumble upon something interesting like a footprint; some odd looking broken branches etc, that and an open mind all I need.

I have grown up to respect the bush I walk in not go in there hammer and toe and destroy every thing in sight just because you think you have a right to. Some Happy Campers who destroy the bush looking for firewood as an example.

I know how frustrating it can be to have a G.I Joe who thinks he/she is doing the right thing, walk into an area, only to find, that person has trodden on an endangered species of Flora or Fauna

an orchard in this case.

As I have looked after a local Park in which this happened a number of times and was frustrating to say the least.

My point is and I’ll agree with pixie on this one you don’t have be G.I Joe to stumble upon a rare and endangered species, whether it be orchard or yowie.

You just need to learn to respect the bush you’re in and in turn it will respect you by showing you its secrets.

Shar*Chi wrote:Aye, finding a reconnection with the dreaming of this land is the most important task facing Aussies.

Meanwhile, if reports from http://www.bigfoottracker.com/ are of any substance there could be a wave of activity about to break. If it's true and someone shot a sasquatch, I think I'll have to vomit. Already there are people posting around the net they are glad someone is 'taking bigfoot on'.

Yeah I have seen these guys over the last few weeks I don’t believe them when they say they have a body. This is exactly what pixie was referring to the GI Joe types who have a lack of integrity. They say they have a body yet then go on to say they will have caught one (Bigfoot) by 08/09. Have they or haven’t they got a body. I smell a rat a mile away.

It saddens me to see these types of organisations about. Those that use the AYR Forum should be proud. I have always considered that those that use this forum do so with an ability to be open minded to analyse and rationalize respectfully without knocking another person’s beliefs or opinions.

Something I find the Aussies do best!

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:38 pm**

Just reading this great thread and thought some may find this interesting.

Posted: **Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:03 pm**

It is good to respect them. What would you do if they got involved with you and communicated and told you to come to their area? Well that is happening to me and I get all the signs that people talk about. I suspect they might go into some kind of tunnel that I discovered recently in the interaction zone. I have seen various size foot prints. I never thought this would happen to me though maybe my experiences by Skinwalker Ranch kicked something off for me. The ones I deal with have amazing abilities including being able to go through solid objects such as the walls in your home. They can totally scope you out without you even knowing. Fortunate this has been very positive though pretty frightening at first especially with the bi pedal approaches. My two cents on my end.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:49 pm**

Hauntedman wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:03 pm It is good to respect them. What would you do if they got involved with you and communicated and told you to come to their area? Well that is happening to me and I get all the signs that people talk about. I suspect they might go into some kind of tunnel that I discovered recently in the interaction zone. I have seen various size foot prints. I never thought this would happen to me though maybe my experiences by Skinwalker Ranch kicked something off for me. The ones I deal with have amazing abilities including being able to go through solid objects such as the walls in your home. They can totally scope you out without you even knowing. Fortunate this has been very positive though pretty frightening at first especially with the bi pedal approaches. My two cents on my end.

Very interesting Haunted man. I was having some sort of interactions with something i think was yowies and the ghost/ spirit activity really picked up in my home.

Finally got a good look at one of them and it was like a grey egg shaped blob about 5 ft tall . I reacted in a negative way when i saw it and it walked or floated up the hall. I wonder if this is similar to what you are experiencing? Either way be careful out there!

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:08 pm**

Thanks for the response. I had seen a shadowy like being that came up to me and thrust something into my heart area. I was having problems with medication interaction and I suspect one came to save my life. The ambo's said I should have died from the interaction. A spouse also noticed movement in the house. Sometimes the kids toys would move. They seemed attracted to pink. It's bizarre stuff and lit a fire under me for answers. Did you feel the entity meant any harm to you or you reacted badly because of shock?

Yowie bait wrote: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:49 pm
Hauntedman wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:03 pm It is good to respect them. What would you do if they got involved with you and communicated and told you to come to their area? Well that is happening to me and I get all the signs that people talk about. I suspect they might go into some kind of tunnel that I discovered recently in the interaction zone. I have seen various size foot prints. I never thought this would happen to me though maybe my experiences by Skinwalker Ranch kicked something off for me. The ones I deal with have amazing abilities including being able to go through solid objects such as the walls in your home. They can totally scope you out without you even knowing. Fortunate this has been very positive though pretty frightening at first especially with the bi pedal approaches. My two cents on my end.
Very interesting Haunted man. I was having some sort of interactions with something i think was yowies and the ghost/ spirit activity really picked up in my home.

Finally got a good look at one of them and it was like a grey egg shaped blob about 5 ft tall . I reacted in a negative way when i saw it and it walked or floated up the hall. I wonder if this is similar to what you are experiencing? Either way be careful out there!

Posted: **Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:46 pm**

Hey Haunted Man i think I reacted badly because of the shock of seeing it. I dont think it meant me any harm but it was standing over someone else who was sleeping on a couch at the time.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2019 2:29 pm**

Pixie Byrnes wrote: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:38 am And finally we are having a 'real' discussion.

It's important for the interested public to know and something the team here know only too well is that if your here to learn about the yowie, you don't need to have a four-wheel drive, or fancy equipment, your not going to see [one] because you went out and bought army greens and doovy-whacka's (not a real word), If you want to learn about the Australian yowie then your going to have to open up your eyes and look at the things that have been right under our noses the whole time.
The land! the people! the first people they are all
still here today, the streams the rivers the trees the wildlife.
the yowie has the knowledge of all of this, they are part of all this.
The yowie are part of the 'first people' they know our traditional landowners very well and our traditional landowners know them, no dramas about it.

Good advice from Pixie Byrnes.
But isn't it a contradiction in terms when we think of the Yowie as a wily, intelligent, Flesh and Blood creature when everything we know negates this theory. A creature that hasn't even discovered the use of fire as a method of cooking food or keeping warm as a matter of fact it hates fire it appears to be afraid of it. So I would suggest on the evolutionary scale of science that puts Yowie way behind Neanderthal man. Not a very clever Yowie at all but at the same time it is supposed to know our traditional owners very well and the traditional owners know them and I agree with this.

It's the paranormal where the Yowie/Bigfoot comes into its own it has abilities that no human can explain. All the indigenous peoples of the world where these creatures exist all place more emphasis on the mystical/spiritual Bigfoot/Yowie as well as referring to it being a flesh and blood creature (physical).

People are running around with cameras, audio equipment and whatever else trying to capture the elusive Yowie. What most people don't realise the paranormal Yowie could be ten metres away (invisible) and you wouldn't even know. Yes, you may pick up some sound effects but the Yowie knows a visual encounter is not going to happen. I would suggest that it is we humans who are the ignorant ones, not the paranormal Yowie/Bigfoot.

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