STRANGE ENCOUNTER ON MID NORTH COAST, NSW

[SAB #1]

Last year on 7th/8th April, 2007 I along with my old man went on a 4wd drive/camp to ----- NP, NSW. During the dusk period on the 7th I had a strange encounter during a short bushwalk which runs off the main camping area! The encounter involved loud sprinting sounds near me which were proceeded by a deathly silence! I strained to view an animal or anything but absolutely saw nothing even though the noises were within 20-30 metres of me. I have spent some time in the bush and have stumbled onto roos, wallabies, livestock and such but this thing clearly sounded like a footsteps from a person ecept they were incredibly loud. I will not go into the full details as it will take me a bit of time to write it up (maybe later)! Anyways I think I encountered something strange on that afternoon. Nothing weird happen that night other than a group of young blokes pulling up that night and camping 200 metres or so away from us and partying all night! Nothing like a peaceful evening in the bush!!!

The next morning we were greeted with rain and cloud and we took a photograph of our camping site.

I was just going over my camping photos using my zoom feature (actually I was curious after the Samsonvale Lake, QLD, photos which were recently taken and put on the forum). I was looking at this one taken the morning after my strange encounter and in the photo there may be something strange or it may possibly just be my imagination? I can see in background to the left of the white post and in between the ground posts some outline of something?. You can only see it by zooming in. But what I can see is the outline of something in the treeline and around one of its legs there is maybe a baby or something clinging on???? To the right of this creature is what I can only describe as the image of a GREY alien head!!! Now don`t get me wrong I`m not saying thats what it is - just what it looks like. Its somewhat all distorted when you zoom in and it is more than likely just a coincidental shape of a bush or something! So I`ll leave it to you to decide for yourself either way. Incidentally this area is within 50 metres of where I had the strange encounter the afternoon before. I dunno but the encounter plus the photo leads me to believe that this may have been something?

[SAB #1]

You have to zoom right in - almost maximum zoom. I`m not sure how to get the fully zoomed image of the area I`m describing downloaded onto the site. But if anyone else has the tech capibilities to do so I would appreciate it so you can see what I`m talking about and judge for yourself.

[Stainmaster]

cant see anything tell me in what box i have marked you are looking at

[SAB #1]

Hi Stainmaster

Its in Box 1. If you look in the background treeline to the right of the 4wd you will see a white sign. Just to the left of the white sign there are two small posts. In the treeline between these two posts (in between the back of the 4wd and to the left of the white sign) is where the 'thing' is. I had to zoom in on maximum zoom to view it. It is not easy to see - but I could distinguish a body outline - a head with facial features and two long arms. I am also sure that there is a juvenile creature with its arm wrapped around the bottom of the bigger creatures leg!

[iwanttobelieve]

Hi All.

I think this is the area SAB#1 is referring to.

Can't say I'm convinced but this is just a basic enlargement.

Probably best to look at 3-4 feet away from the screen.

[SAB #1]

Yep - thats it

On my zoom I can pan in even closer - To me - you can sort of see a head and definitely a long arm - the 'thing' is kind of stooping - and on the bottom of its right leg there seems to be what I think may be a juvenile creature around its leg??? I`m not trying to convince anyone either way - I`m just very curious what everyone else thinks? If they don`t think anything of it than thats fair enough - I myself am questioning it. The factor that leads me to believe that there is something to this is that I had a very strange encounter the afternoon before within 50 metres of where the 'thing' is located in the photograph. I actually sent a report into AYR via email last year (but not on the forum) but it wasn`t until this last week after going over my photos of the trip that I observed the 'thing' in the photo. My encounter and report I sent to AYR last year is as follows:

I have had no direct sighting, but I did recently have a very strange experience which I couldn`t (and still can`t) explain away! On Saturday, 8th April 2007, my father and I travelled via ----- to ------ National Park. Upon arriving at the main camp which is basically a long cleared strip (250 long x 40 metres across) located on a mountain ridge with the land tapering away either side of the camp site. Upon first arrival (near dusk) at the campsite we noticed no one else was there except for another empty tent about 150-200 metres away. We quickly set up camp, and I went for a look around and noticed a short loop walk leading from the campground and down the mountain (probably a 500-700 metre walk all up - but not steep). Even though it was getting dark I decided to quickly do it as I wasn`t sure I would have time to do it in the morning as we had planned an early getaway. After walking for about 50 metres along the track which was dense rainforest (probably a three layer rainforest type – so the bottom story allowed about 30 metres observation roughly) I heard a brief but very, very, loud thudding/running noise (which I estimate to be between 20 to 30 metres away) - like someone or something making a quick dash which lasted about two to three seconds (I must highlight that this sounded like someone on two legs making a quick sprint - I have stumbled across kangaroos, wallabies, and livestock in the bush numerous before as I used to go on regular camping trips involving hikes through scrub as a youngster and I am quite sure this noise was not a kangaroo or stray cattle or any other common animal - such as bush turkeys - found in the scrub). I scanned the forest in the direction of the noise but saw absolutely no movement. This startled me and as my brain attempted to find a rational explanation I thought it probably wise at this point to go and grab a torch. I very quickly returned to the campsite where I grabbed a torch and returned to the site (probably within three minutes). At this point, suspecting something strange, I planned only to use the torch if it became to dark to see the track or if I heard a noise again (there was still a little ambient light and I didn`t want to destroy my night vision plus I didn`t want to scare whatever it was away). I proceeded to walk the track without incident and found myself again in the main camping area (the walk is a loop). I then walked further around the perimeter of the camping area (all this time I couldn`t help but feel something was watching me) and found an area with an overgrown track proceeding some 10-15 metres into the forest/scrub. I cautiously and as stealthily as I could proceeded into the scrub and the feeling of not being alone intensified. About five metres in I decided to walk very loudly towards the bush to possibly startle anything that may be around and I achieved my objective. Upon making half a dozen loud and quick steps towards a thicker part of the forest - I again heard almost the same loud rushing noise of footsteps. Again it was very brief, probably two seconds, but it was unmistakable. This time I estimate the noise was within 20 metres and again I saw no movement whatsoever (although the forest/scrub in this area was thicker due to an understorey of weed bushes / lantana in that area of the camping site and visibility would have been no greater than 5 metres). I myself at this point remained motionless, peering into the scrub and proceeded to listen silently for a period of 5 minutes - but noticed or heard nothing whatsoever (even insect noise). I then decided due to the growing darkness and my curiosity to turn my torch on and check out the surrounding scrub. I did so and as I was panning quickly from side to side I heard a very quick noise - this time it sounded like bushes moving from a different direction and quieter than the second noise. This noise was very brief and I saw no movement. I remained silent with my torch on but heard no further noise. For another five or so minutes I hung around and at this point visibility minus the torch was getting somewhat poor. Also, along with the fading light my courage was also beginning to fade as I started to think of the wisdom of being with this creature in a dark, confined (thick surrounding scrub) space. I then left the area and went back to my campsite. About an hour later the occupants of the empty tent turned up in a car and they were very loud and were basically pissing it up throughout the night into the early morning hours. Incidentally, it began to lightly rain that night and nothing strange further happened. The next morning I didn`t get a chance to do the track again as we had a big day lined up and as we were packing the car we then took the photograph of the camping area.

Looking back on the incident I honestly believe that whatever was in the forest had followed me (parallel to me and out of sight in the forest/scrub) from where I had initially heard it (on the track), along the camp perimeter, to the second area that I had heard it. The duration of the encounter all up was probably 20-25 minutes from the first sound to the third sound. The two sites involved were probably 150-200 metres away from each other.

The sounds puzzled me as they were not normal sounds that I have heard in the bush. Throughout my camping and bushwalking experience I have come across nearly all types of animals in the scrub. Even though kangaroos and wallabies can make a quick movement and then stop - this sounded like something enormous. Added to that is more often than not a roo will keep hopping away and the sound is completely different. This sound was distinctly running footsteps - like a quick sprint. Another strange factor was that straight after the loud dash there was nothing but absolute silence. I can only conclude that whatever it was - was not running away from me but was instead running/dashing to a source which would provide it greater cover eg. thick bushes or a large tree. From there I speculate that it had itself stopped, and proceeded to observe and listen for my movement? I honestly felt like I was being stalked by something highly intelligent in terms of its movement in the bush. I heard no other noises other than the three quick dash movements and I saw no movement whatsoever - not even moving bushes or tree limbs). I genuinely believe that what I heard in the bush was not a normal animal or a fellow human being. From what I have learnt thus far of the yowie and other peoples encounters I can only conclude that I encountered one that afternoon.

[SAB #1]

Sorry - the juvenile creature would be on the bottom OF ITS left leg - not right!

[Dion]

Hey SAB

Thanks for that detailed report, I haven’t read that one. Sounds like you came into contact with a ‘something’ that’s for sure?

That thrashing of the bush reminds me of a time when I was in Brisbane Water National Park with my old man we had just hiked an hour into an isolated area of the bush which opens up out to a reservoir. There is no way into this area other than the hours walk which we took. I had just walked up to an overflow ledge of the reservoir and was admiring the scenery when my old man said something to me. At that precise moment he spoke he must have startled something on the other side of the reservoir and I heard what can be best described as a loud thrashing of the bush, like something was parting the trees as it ran off which lasted about 2-3 seconds, then silence.

The human mind is usually a very good judge of what it hears in those circumstances and I’m sure what you heard must have been something out of the ordinary.

Cheers mate

[Stainmaster]

gday sab ive been looking cant see anything yet mught just be my eyes but the encounter sounds great thanks for sharing

[stickyfingers]

...interesting photo SAB#1...after a bit of fiddling around with the photo... I managed to get these three images below... are you actually talking about the "alien head" type shape within the three circles that I have placed in the photos?...







...as I said...interesting photo my friend... by the way SAB#1...welcome to the forums...Stickyfingers.

[SAB #1]

Cheers Stickyfingers

Well done on the close-up of the 'Grey Head' that last image really brings it up well. It would be good if someone could do something similar with the Yowie type figure to the left of the 'Grey Head' image. A close up of the juvenile and maybe even an outline of the larger creatures features would be awesome for those people who are struggling to see it.

I have actually been on the forums for a little while now as SAB but due to some difficulties with my password I had to re-register as SAB #1 - So I`ve actually been around the forums for a while now! In regards to the alien head - yer thats what I was talking about although my primary interest right now is in the Yowie or Bigfoot-type figure to the left of the 'Grey' head. I`m not sure about the 'Grey' head it may be just an illusion of the vegetation or it may be the real thing - I really don`t want to jump to any concrete conclusions just yet?? Most researchers will be aware of the strong UFO/Bigfoot connection in the USA - although it has not been as prominent in Australian cases.

All up - I`m pretty excited right now about the image as in my mind it verifies the encounter I had the afternoon before. It just goes to show that other people or researchers in the field should really go over their photos as you never know what could be in the background. I myself decided to go over some of my camping or yowie research photos after the crew in the North Pine Dam area (or Lake Samsonvale) decided to post their images just recently!

STAINMASTER - check out the zoomed in attachment that the new member iwanttobelieve put on! That shows a pretty good representation of the yowie-like image I am primarily interested in. So you don`t have to search yourself as iwanttobelieve has already found the section I wanted to show. This attached copy is not as clear as the copy I have. It would be great if someone with the tech ability could clean up this close-up image as it will show the yowie-type entities features a lot clearer.

[Shar*Chi]

I've looked pretty closely, and I am only being honest in saying I can't see anything that supports unexplained phenomena in the photo. If you allow the mind to entertain, you can make out face images from just about anything, it's a condition known as Pareidolia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

I'm not an image analyst expert however...

[SAB #1]

If you have a look at the bottom left hand corner of the white rectangular box you put up. That almost runs along the top of the creatures head - the creature is hunching over but I can see the outline of its body and a long, large arm down its side. Also the creature is much taller and bigger than what you have traced. Its pretty frustrating for me as my image is much clearer than the ones I am seeing downloaded and its easier to make out features! Good effort though.

[SAB #1]

Try looking at the picture the new member Iwanttobelieve put up - as it seems to show it the best - although it is still not near the quality that I have!

[SAB #1]

Yer good point Sta*chi and I totally agree with what you are saying - often when I am looking closely at photographs you always see faces in the background - which in reality is simply the pixelation. Almost any photograph you can make out numerous possible faces. That is the very reason why I am dubious myself about the image of the 'Grey Head'. As I said previously I am not stating thats what I believe it is - just simply what it looks like because thats the closest description I can give. It could very well be a couple of plants which by chance have come out looking like that.

HOWEVER! What I cannot explain away more easily is the image of the 'Yowie-like' entity because you can see more than a HEAD AND A FACE! I have been looking at this image for some time now and I have one which is a clearer focus than the one which has been downloaded. I hope that someone can clear the image up a bit. I believe the Yowie-like image shows an outline of a body. The entity is slightly hunching over. A head with barely discernible eyes and mouth. A very large and long arm. The creature is partly side-on and has a very broad shoulder and chest region. There is no neck apparent. The head actually looks small in comparison to its chest and upper body! I can see two legs and I am positive that at the bottom of the creatures left leg is a juvenile entity with its arm wrapped around its leg! That to my mind is not so easily explainable away as Pareidola!!! Furthermore, the description matches numerous witness descriptions of the Yowie! Not to mention that within 50 metres of the things location I had an incredibly weird encounter the afternoon before (easily the weirdest thing thats happened to me while in the bush).

I have been wondering also about the height dimensions - so I decided to undertake some very rough calculations. I am almost exactley 6 foot (183cm). From measurements I calculated that the post in the photograph is just under one-third of my height and I thereby estimated that the post height to be 60 centimetres (give or take 5 centimetres). The posts all look like they are a similar height! From this I then compared the length of the posts with the height of the 'possible' entities. I also took note that the highest section of this camp site is the road and the ground slopes away on a slight angle downward either side of the road. I would estimate that the average length of the treeline from the road to be 15-20 metres - in some areas more likely 10 metres. By using the height of the posts I roughly calculated the height of the figures. Basically, the height of the 'Grey Head' was roughly two posts high so it would give it a MINIMUM height of 1.2 metres. Now the Yowie-like figure has a fairly reasonable slouch so I estimated its height if it were standing to attention and took a measurement which I calculated to be 3 plus 3/5 of a post length. This would give a VERY ROUGH ballpark figure of a MINIMUM height for this creature to be 216 centimetres! That is the creature is a MINIMUM (taking into consideration that the ground at the tree line is lower than that of the posts on the road) height of just over 7 foot!!!

I would like to go the site in the future and take more precise measurements and will probably do so down the track.

[SAB #1]

Also at this point I would like to add my personal beliefs about the creature and about the phenomena in general. A lot of people will strongly disagree with me but I it has taken me years of reading and looking at the evidence presented by others for me to come to this conclusion. The creature in my photo doesn`t look fully physical to me (as in many other photos taken of Sasquatch in the US) and I believe that is also part of the reason why it is harder to make out than if a physical person had been standing there - I truly believe (Again - my personal opinion only) that we are dealing with an entity who is not fully within our dimensional reality. Now I don`t want to sound to airy fairy and go off on some whacky tangent but I speculate that this being is interdimensional in nature. I base this opinion on numerous factors including eyewitness accounts, photographic evidence and the lack of physical evidence in the way of bodies. Numerous encounters described both in Australia and the States describe this creatures almost mystical ability to evade detection or capture. I think it would be incredibly foolish to discount the theory that this being is of an interdimensional nature based on the fact that we cannot prove it (YET)! I honestly believe in a future time period we will develop technology which will be able to measure and prove the existence of alternate dimensions and possibly lifeforms within these levels of existence. Modern physics already believe in the existence of alternate dimensions! We should realise by now that not all energy is visible to the human eye. Certain energies vibrating at alternate frequencies are completely invisible to us yet they still exist!!! For example - Radio waves, UV light - these forms of energy exist - they even interact with our physical bodies - yet they are completely invisible to us. The only way we know they exist is because we have developed technology which can measure, discern, or intercept them! Is it really such a leap of faith to speculate that there could exist other life forms that exist at different vibrational frequencies which are invisible to us. To throw another spanner in the works - what if these creatures can alternate their vibrational frequancy so that at certain times they can appear as physical flesh and blood creatures and other times seemingly disappear or merge away into the environment! All matter in its simplest form is simply energy (ourselves included - the chair you sit on - the food you eat) and all energy vibrates at certain frequencies! I think to discount this theory based on it sounding to esoteric is incredibly short sighted. Science has proven time after time that what was considered impossible or incredulous is in fact a reality. It`s amazing to me how people don`t learn from the past. Before the advent of the microscope people would laugh at the notion that living organisms (bacteria and viruses) so small that they cannot be seen are capable of killing people! Remember the famous astronomers who lived under the constant threat of the inquisition and being burned at the stake for stating what is now common understanding! Or my favourite! When it was widely believed in scientific circles that the world was flat and people who thought otherwise were crazy and foolish! I believe that future technological advancements will vindicate our current research and exploration of this being! We must view this phenomena with an open mind in order to determine its true nature!

[Stainmaster]

SAB im still having a hard time but i want to see and im not going to disagree as this is an unknown science where anything is possible

are you using Win XP? if so just use paint and draw around what you are seeing (dont do it on the original of the photo) then use something like http://www.photobucket.com which will allow you to store photos and post them into forums easy once uploaded just copy the img link it makes for you and post that in the forum

cheers
Matty

[Dion]

Hey SAB

There is certainly something to the yowie phenomenon that just can’t be explained away as being purely flesh and blood; this can drive any researcher mad?

I’ll agree with you that there just has to be something more to it.

As for the photo, I was able to do a bit of fiddling around on my computer with the image you posted but as soon as you get in close to the subject it pixels out too much and you lose a lot of the image. You may have a better copy of the image on you computer and might be able to see something clearer than what we can or when you uploaded the image to the forum it may have downgraded the image to fit in with bandwidth regulations,

I think I can just see what you are referring to though, Its side on has its face to the camera and has something clinging to its right thigh, to be perfectly honest I think this may just a play on shadows Who knows?

[iwanttobelieve]

Hey SAB#1.

Maybe you should try and download your original photo in high res?

The one you downloaded seems to have a low resolution which is causing the pixilation when the photos are enlarged.

You seem to be able to see more than we can but it could just be that the image you are viewing is of superior quality.

[SAB #1]

This is one image I tried via photobucket - very rough though!

[SAB #1]

Trying different versions - although by using Photobucket I lose definition on the photo.

[SAB #1]

Now a close up of the version new member Iwanttobelieve posted.

[SAB #1]

Sorry crew - This is the best I can do - Again! None of these images are as clear as my copy.

Many people seem to think its just shadows and such - but I disagree! There are to many similarities with witness descriptions and the faint outlines which can be made out in the photo. For example the creature seemingly has no neck - broad shoulders and chest - its hunched over - long and broad arms almost down to its knees - and the head looks small in comparison to its large upper body! I also roughly calculated the height of the creature to be over 7 feet!

So I`ll leave it up to you to decide for yourself. Hopefully someone will be able to get a clearer image up?

[SAB #1]

One more thing that I have not mentioned is that the Yowie like creature appears to be facing in the direction of where the other tent was located! These other campers stayed up a good portion of the night partying and drinking and making a lot of noise (3 blokes in their late teens or early 20s). It seems from the image that the creature is peering intently towards their direction (although at the time they were in their tents seemingly asleep) and the way it is hunched implies to me it is making some effort to conceal itself. Also the juvenile creature seems to be clinging onto the larger creature as if it may be frightened or for added security! This seems to imply that these creatures are very wary of us - and WHO CAN BLAME THEM REALLY! Just another observation I thought I would add.

[Stainmaster]

now i can see it thanks man pity about the res of the pis for detail as at that detail could be just shadows but i do see the figure
cheers
matty

maybe you should go back and look for signs

[MrHead181]

Guys i am sorry,but i cant see anything there. I wish someone could just get one clear photo of our beloved friend.

[deadpool]

Okay so I grabbed the photo, altered the levels so I could see better & 'found' something else. Not too sure on it, but it looks awfully like a family.

Female(?) is in yellow, juvenile(?) is green & the male(?) is in red.

To me this seems like your standard "blobsquatch" phenomina (too fuzzy) - but if you look at the male(?) closely - you can see the eyebrow ridge (+ the wide shoulders), just like on the female (turned to the side facing right, i think), just more prominant. Not too sure on this one, seen a lot of photos like it, but it could be something. Hopefully my colouring in helped a bit

Note: those wooden pole things, they're about 3ft high (correct me if i'm wrong)? If so - i'd put the adults at about 9/10ft. Juvenile at about 4ft-ish.

Myself? I'm not 100% on it, but it seems to be as Reegs said, an "i want to believe" photo. But i'm not disregarding it entirely. Once I spotted the third one, it made a bit more sense.

edit: fleshed out the "alien head" - thoughts? Its alot clearer now (*bows down to the photoshop gods*).

[Stainmaster]

nice work im not 100% either but in this line of work you need an open mind nothing is impossible :-)

[deadpool]

I agree entirely, which is why I looked about the pic & spotted a possible third male - as you said, having an open mind in this business is the best way to tackle things.

Last cleared version i'm going to do (sorry about the pixelation, i had to blow the image up to about 10x its original size) - but the "figures" are alot more defined.

[SAB #1]

Oh yeah. Nice work Deadpool - I completely missed that figure!

It does make sense that a male would be in the area playing a protective role - and it seems obvious that the original figure is a female because of the juvenile clinging to its leg. The dimensions of the male indicate an incredibly large chest-shoulder area - thats pretty amazing. In regards to the poles they are definitely around the 60cm figure - as if they were 3ft like you suggest this would make me 9ft!!!! I think the figures are between 7-8 foot - the male possibly over 8 foot! I`m planning to go back to the area in the future and take some measurements, comparisons and more photos. When I do - I`ll put them on this post.

This photo in conjunction with the weird encounter I had the evening before has left me 98% convinced me that this is the real thing. For the doubters out there - Fair enough - you are entitled to be skeptical - but you have to remember that these creatures aren`t going to stand directly in front of the camera and pose for a close-up photo and give an autograph or two!!!! What do you expect? I think that this is just a chance/lucky photo that we just happened to take on the spur of the moment to document our camping trip.

If this is what it looks to be then I feel pretty honoured/privileged to have had such a close encounter with these beings! And I am in awe at their ability to remain undetected as that very morning I was continually scanning the treelines bordering the camp site (in light of my encounter the previous evening) and I didn`t see a thing!!!