Similarities between Bigfoots and Yowies

[Shar*Chi]

Another outstanding article on AYR, keep em comin
I think the sasquatch must be related to the yowie from all accounts.
As i posted in another recent thread my close mates had a run-in with something in the canadian woods only last year, and it was all the same sort of stuff as a yowie... the stalking, wood knocking and deafening screams.

[Strange1]

Great article Seeker

[Yowie2008]

yea they are very similar same as yeti's

[mossy]

wow

Are sightings common place right across America, or are they in certain pockets of the country?

Sorry I'm a newbie to all this

[Glenn39]

Hello Mossy,

I am not sure if every mainland US state has had reports but the sightings have been fairly widespread across the continental United States. The hot spot has always been the upper North-West, but there have been sightings of these or similar creatures as far south as Arizona and Florida, and east out to up-state New York and Ohio.

[mbwmbwmbw]

How can an apelike form..appear here...and in nearly every country on earth...and yet cannot be caught/shot/found/proved..???
The "Nearly every country" minor problem(cough cough) is the spear(paranormal spear ?) through the flesh and blood theories and ideas.
If the whole "biological" problem...ie great ape like animals that cannot be caught was "just" in one country...then you might be in with a chance.
BUT...
The number of countries with the same "problem" reduces this chance by a major factor to somewhere around zero.
The more countries..the less chance...not the reverse...
Some of the American sasquatch hunters, f/b advocates realise this obvious problem.
Huston..we have a problem.
And lets ignore the UK as well to keep everyone happy.
http://www.paraview.com/redfern/index2.htm
Unless there are monsterous ape like creatures who are really good at hiding there as well.. geez
Damn it..lets just ignore all this and carry on regardless..

[Yowielover1]

Dean, I think we can find a good place to tie this guy to a tree covered in bacon.

If he survives the night, he will come back with a changed mind.

[mbwmbwmbw]

I don't believe a paranormal entity would be thrashing a wolf against a tree

Because.??
And where are the photos/video/evidence of this "event"


cause at the end of the day they could just poof right out of there and disappear if there was any perceived threat.
I didnt know the parameters of unusual phenomena/beasties were so rigid.

I don't think that a fearfull paranormal being would run away snapping trees off along the way as a matter of entertainment.
No..they are flesh and blood and they run away all the time because they are not scared of us..that makes sense.??

There are so many unanswered questions regarding these creatures but I'm afraid I'm sitting in a different tent than you on this one.
99% of the unanswered questions round here are the ones I pose..and no one touches...

There have been too many credible witnesses to flesh and blood forms of the Yowie or Bigfoot and the like.
Too many witnesses to what APPEARS to be flesh and blood animals.
And a decent % of witnesses to what does not appear to be f/b.

you've read the accounts havent you?
Read.?The witnesses in the locations are more interesting and profound than stories with no evidence on the net or in books.

But you still come out with this theory that they are not flesh and blood.
Sadly..The "theory" is based on the evidence or lack of it for f/b.
For instance...I did a post in "Can somebody help me by answering ten Yowie questions?"
Still waiting for someone to point out mistakes in my post..
People can believe anything they like..but if they cannot articulate what they believe..or be able to answer simple queries/problems..then they are no different than close minded sceptics...they are just closed minded believers..same same.

Is there a reason for that other than your theories
The reason is..there is nearly no/nil evidence for f/b and the problems I keep posting that f/b proponents dont appear to see most of the time.LOL

or have you had an encounter with an invisible Yowie?
I have had an odd "encounter"..but i have i/v enough witnesses/travelled all over oz/looked at the shite evidence/read enough books etc to face up to the problem.
Have you read "The Yowie" by cropper/healy.??
Because their conclusions are basically the same as mine

I'd be interested to know why you steer in this direction, but at the same time bother to test a Flir as if you believe they could be flesh and blood creatures?
I was "steered" after reading/researching/talking to witnesses/and looking at the problems...
The flir was being tested for cats..
And I will be using it tonight...with some f/b brethren...
I want to be proven wrong...but each year with hoaxes and nothing else decent..its not going to happen.

It seems like a - The earth is flat type of theory to me. In time it will be proven round.
err...but thats what you are doing...my "evidence" for paranormal is the lack of evidence for f/b now as we speak on this day..not next year..
The f/b advocates are always gazing hopefully into the future..for the "proof".
The f/b camp is sitting in the "the evidence is in the future"...not me
From my perspective..I am saying the earth is round..and you are saying its flat and one day...you will be able to prove it.

Is it just theoretical or experiential?
100% practical.Based on the "evidence" today..after all these years..
No evidence = two scenarios.
1/The whole thing is sociological/hoaxes.
2/Its paranormal/weird/mad.
I want to be proven wrong...
I dont know what the ape thingys are...I just know what they aint...they aint f/b
Sorry..

[mbwmbwmbw]

Dean, I think we can find a good place to tie this guy to a tree covered in bacon.
If he survives the night, he will come back with a changed mind.


Yeah Dean..tie me to one of the trees..in one of the forests..in the different parts of OZ and the blue mts that I have roamed around by myself/with friends at night for the last 7 years..LOL
If I thought covering myself in bacon gave me a chance of video taping something..then i would do it But then..if it did work...I would have seen the video/photos/audio from the "test".
Thats right..the amazing results from that sort of test ..they are in the future..

[Dion]

Good discussion guys the F&B vs Paranormal always sparks up an enthusiastic response.

Ok here is where I stand I believe they are F&B but with some Paranormal/Psychic abilities and I say that from personal experience of my own encounter.

As I had the strong feeling of being watched before my visual sighting, I was able to sense this creature’s height without actually seeing it, it was like it was portraying a height on to me as if to make me feel threatened by how big it was there was an element of psychic ness going on that I cant explain away as normal. I also experienced an element of fear being portrayed on to me as if to make me feel threatened. There is no animal known to me that is able to portray this kind feeling on to a human.

I know of others to have had this strong psychic ness come over them as well, I think it’s something that needs to be experienced to be believed.

It’s not an easy thing to talk about.

I don’t believe all Yowies are capable of this psychic ness, as a person with more experience than me has told me; it’s only the more powerful males that do this.

There are paranormal aspects to Yowies if people are ready to do their research and to listen to those with experience, any good researcher shouldn’t over look them.

Like I say I’m a F&B person but I believe some have paranormal/Psychic abilities and that s just coming from my limited experience.

Peace out

[lil foot]

mbw,

I don't believe a paranormal entity would be thrashing a wolf against a tree cause at the end of the day they could just poof right out of there and disappear if there was any perceived threat. I don't think that a fearfull paranormal being would run away snapping trees off along the way as a matter of entertainment. There are so many unanswered questions regarding these creatures but I'm afraid I'm sitting in a different tent than you on this one. There have been too many credible witnesses to flesh and blood forms of the Yowie or Bigfoot and the like. you've read the accounts havent you? But you still come out with this theory that they are not flesh and blood. Is there a reason for that other than your theories, or have you had an encounter with an invisible Yowie?

I'd be interested to know why you steer in this direction, but at the same time bother to test a Flir as if you believe they could be flesh and blood creatures?

It seems like a - The earth is flat type of theory to me. In time it will be proven round.

Maybe you are right. I doubt it though. I've had enough experience to form my own f/b oppinion, but I'd be interested to know how you come by yours. Is it just theoretical or experiential?

[Yowielover1]

Great! There is a paranormal huge biped out there with an interdimensional portal generator in its pocket going where ever it wants and saying Boo!

lmao

[mossy]

Hello Mossy,

I am not sure if every mainland US state has had reports but the sightings have been fairly widespread across the continental United States. The hot spot has always been the upper North-West, but there have been sightings of these or similar creatures as far south as Arizona and Florida, and east out to up-state New York and Ohio.

Thanks

[mbwmbwmbw]

That was like hitting a wasps nest with a stick wasn't it?


I ask questions and muck around with the f/b "answers"...sorry..non answers..
You then try and attack me personally because you do not have a clue ...
Sad Attempt at psychoanalyis/mix of lame insults/avoidance of answering simple questions/comparison to your pothead mate...
Was that the "wasp nest".? LOL
I was just asking simple questions which people who dont seem to have a critical bone in their bodies ignore.
I noticed your testy little post seems to have been written in angry mode.
Stick to the theme .
I think its quite humourous that while you were doing your standard "research" on the keyboard on Saturday night..attacking me personally..I was out with some buddies in 5 degrees temp in the bush with 60 km winds..with another thermal camera.
I dont know if yowies have an ired signature..but its fun trying to find out.

or should I say research without any conclusive results.

And what were you doing last night..
In this area..there are never any "conclusive results"
But you would know that...if you knew anything about the phenomena.
I asked you if you had read "The Yowie".
Anyway..you didnt answer..(wow..aint that surprising)
Are you another "researcher" who is too tight to buy the only decent book on the phenomena..because you have the answers already.
Thats a joke okay.
Or
Have you bought the book and only skimmed it and didnt actually read it.
I know its cruel of me to ask questions of you.
I also asked you if you had interviewed any witnesses to strange phenomena..
You didnt answer that either.
Do you guys work off some form of blueprint like the f/b handbook summarised below.
1/Dont look at problems with f/b "ideas".
2/Insult those who ask questions you dont understand.
3/Rarely answer a direct question put to you.
4/And my favourite...never admit when you make a mistake..re old "red eyes photo taken by Dean lecture " avatar..guy.



You put words in my mouth that I did not say or mean.

I either cut and paste and answer diectly underneath.
Or
I paraphrase a view point meant held by many f/b advocates.
Pretty damn simple if you ask me.. LOL


You always come across as angry
From a guy that instead of just playing the game..tries to attack me personally...you jest I gather.
Like a few here..I have done the hard yards..I didnt just read "a few reports" and sit round two camp fires and trade scary stories..


Don't be so definative in your oppinions

The questions/problems I ask ..and you guys ignore..(for obvious reasons)are not just "opinions".
They go to the very kernel of your own beliefs/ideas.
Its so sad that you dont understand this simple point.
Or perhaps,,deep down you do..hence your attempts at attacking me personally.

We are dealing with a creature that has been in development for millions of years

Bangs head against wall...
How in gods name do you know that..?
This opinion of yours is based on hundred of hours in the field.?.interviews with loads of witnesses to different phenomena/the reading of large volumnes of reports/books from here and overseas..the examination of loads of "evidence".
Great...then now is your chance..instead of trying to insult me..cough up and tell us what your background is in these fields and what you have done....and then show the evidence your opinion is based on.
No attempts at insults..just answer the questions.
Or will it be the old yowie f/b hand book section 3.


and the frustrated oppinions of someone who has only been researching them for several

I gather you are referring to yourself and your happy camping buddy.??

But don't expect a response that will make you smell like roses.

Another gag..??
Give me a break...
I have gone head to head with physicists,zoologists and other assorted academics for years.
This is like shooting fish in a bucket..it aint fair..but hell its fun.
I am still waiting for answers to my queries instead of puerile obfuscation and ad hominem "attacks".
Stick to the theme..
If you knew anything..or had some moral integrity you would have..
1/answered my queries/problems with f/b ideas.
2/admitted you cannot.
Cricket noises...


I find it hard to understand that someone can come up with so many oppinions that grate against the experiences of others and expect everyone to believe in them.

Like you..I have no idea what you are talking about....that SOME of the witnesses think the animals are f/b so what.
Read the problems with f/b...


think you are, how long you've been doing it or the non results you are trying to push.

wow...a few posts here...another instant 'expert'...the non results is indicative of the f/b camp.
But you dont know that right...


Your behavior is childish

Thanks..and a "mature" adult would write a post using sad psychoanalysis/ and even sadder attempts at insults.
Got it.
Stick to the theme..

and your intentions when you post are not exactly in accord with an attitude of helpfulness.

You miss the point my friend..By trying to save you heaps of your valuable time/effort in ????(what exactly do you do in this anyway)..I am trying to help you think about the problems and complexity of the phenomena.



Some people are just inherantly unlucky and perhaps you are one of them.
And you were lucky running into me here to help you.LOL

It is not the length of life you have lived that gives wisdom, it is the depth.
If the "depth" is the shallow end of the wadding pool because people are too scared to look in to the deep end..whats that say about someone.

It is a wonder that these things being so paranormal have not been discovered regulary suddenly appearing and raiding bins in suburbia! Perhaps they don't like what we eat, but surely they must eat. But no, they are paranormal and they don't
have to eat, although they have been reportedly been seen to be eating, stealing chickens, livestock and the like......

Interesting anecdotes..yowies munching on home cooked dinners every night...LOL
Show me the photos/video of this...
Thats right...they are so "sneaky" they can do this in the fringes of suburbia/houses without anyone ever running over one/filming one..shooting one..and they have been doing this in The US and Australia/Europe.. for ??? years...And still there is no proof of them doing it..but hell..its a great comeback/anecdote.

Who can do the maths????

I can.
But you will ignore it.
After several hundred years . we still have 1/no body 2/no dna 3/no fossil line 4/no modern video 5/no stills 6/no live
animal..across several different continents..
7/And the hundreds of millions ? of hunter manhours across several continents for several hundred years..
Thats 7 points..
Thats maths and not camp fire stories.

Perhaps the reports of people seeing cats seem more genuine than those reports from people that see the Hairy guy.

Perhaps..I can go to the zoo and see a cat..but I cannot go to the zoo to see a ???? LOL

[mbwmbwmbw]

Aces..?
I think many were just on the line.
One or two were out..
Peace..

[Jo Blose]

It's great to see the argument has evolved from f+b with exceptional abilities vs paranormal with f+b abilities, to f+b with paranormal abilities vs paranormal with f+b abilities. This argument can be simplified as f+b+p vs. p+f+b.

If only yowies would talk! Would they say they are flesh and blood who do paranormal things, or they are etheric beings who have a need to express themselves as solid flesh and blood? Would they even know themselves?

Most importantly is the paranormal and flesh and blood aspects are equally considered in yowie discussion.

On that note, it's worth asking why the concept of an interdimensional creature masquerading as flesh and blood is the less attractive of the two. Perhaps it's because we don't understand and accept paranormal creatures in our Western intellectual society and therefore it is 'out of our control?' It's more comforting to have a flesh and blood born and bred creature abiding by certain laws of accepted physics, but the other does not have to.

mbwmbwmbw has a well rounded understanding of the complexities of this particular study. The points he raises are all valid.

The enthusiasm of the newbie analytically and intellectually minded researcher can ever so easily be slowly and inevitably replaced by indifference as the callendar pages flick forward. To remain fresh and maintain a learning curve, I suggest occassionally re-assessing the model of the yowie in the back of your mind of how it works, set short-term and long-term research goals, and do practice imagining seeing and feeling the world the way the yowie does.

[Lasso]

Well I am glad this thread has calmed down a bit I thought I was going to have to hose you both down.

This is a very interesting topic, I guess in the end we are all searching for answers.

It is ok to have conjecture and debate providing it does not turn personal.

Lasso

[Yowielover1]

What is a paranormal spear?

[Yowielover1]

MBW...please give us in detail your personal Yowie experiences. Not the things you have read or think or heard...just personal real experience.

[Yeti]

Mbw,

Its quite obvious that your research techniques aren't all that good, your statement about Neil Frost taking the eyeshine picture is testament to that.
If you actually sat down and read what was in front of you the facts would actually slap you in the face.
You talk about these ten questions and know one will answer them, I'll give them ago, I've been researching these animals for 17 years and have some of the best evidence yet.
I'll read through them and answer them ASAP.

[Yeti]

Where are then 10 questions that Mbw talks about

[Yowielover1]

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1303

Thats what you are looking for Yeti