Yowie agression - different towards men and women?

[Shazzoir]

Evening, all,

I've been pondering this for a couple of days, and wondered if anyone had any info to share on this:

I know we have a few ladies out there in AYR land who are actively involved in making regular expeditions into Yowie territories, some on a daily basis.

What I wondered was, could the agression tactics witnessed by people who have been stalked, vocalised at, charged, etc be attributed to the Yowie being male, and the human/s being male? Is this a 'bloke' thing, a testosterone tussle between two (or more) Alpha males?

How many female researchers and members of the public have been approached in this described manner? Are female humans approached in different ways i.e., in a 'gentler' manner? Less threatening manner?

I wondered also if a group of females would be seen as less of a threat than a group of blokes on an expedition situation. I've read that Yowies seem to be attracted to females (see Topender's post a while ago!), and I also wondered if having one or more ladies in a small group situation who are at the same stage of their monthly cycle (ovulation or menstruation) might form a powerful attractant for Mr Yowie. (EDIT: or just annoy Mrs Yowie - better looking competition? )

This thought both interests and scares the daylights out of me, in a way, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I'd feel like a sacrificial lamb (well, mutton maybe! ) in a situation like this, so please don't think I'm suggesting people actually do try it!

Personally, I'd still like to have some fellas around for a number of reasons, but if any readers have anything to add to this topic, I think it would be very interesting from a scientific and behavioural viewpoint.

Kind regards,

Shazz

[Jim]

While being a newcomer to the yowie phenomenon, after spending the last few days trawling through previous posts I too am intrigued by your question.

It seems no one can be sure as to what sex of yowie is set off by female pheromones associated with H. sapiens' menstrual cycle. Is it a yowie male attractant or yowie female rage-inspiring scent ?

Intriguing question!

[stickyfingers]

I wondered also if a group of females would be seen as less of a threat than a group of blokes on an expedition situation. I've read that Yowies seem to be attracted to females (see Topender's post a while ago!), and I also wondered if having one or more ladies in a small group situation who are at the same stage of their monthly cycle (ovulation or menstruation) might form a powerful attractant for Mr Yowie. (EDIT: or just annoy Mrs Yowie - better looking competition? )

...I'll try and say this as delicately as possible so as not to offend the sweet ladies that frequent these forums Shazz... but... if you have more than 3 or 4 or even a WHOLE GROUP of ladies ovulating at the exactly the same time... do you really think that you will get any human male either brave enough or stupid enough to accompany you??? ... that would be to me like sitting around the campfire with five hand grenades with the pins pulled out waitng for an explosion to happen!!.. ...

...I mean let's face it... a yowie is a big strong beast that shows no fear and will probably have no trouble approaching you sweet group of ladies at all!!!... (I've said this as a bit of tongue-in-cheek type humour... so please ladies... if you are going to chastise me...please be gentle)!!! ... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[Shazzoir]

Ha ha! Dear Sticky, the ovulation part 'aint the problem, it's the PMT you gotta worry about just before the end of the cycle!

I don't want to entertain the thought about what a hormonal group of women might say to a Yowie, but there's another thought:

Emotional state: would someone who is upset or crying attract a more curious Yowie than an angry one? I mean, would it be perplexed by crying, and emotional disturbance in the same way it would with the human fear response?

A bit off topic addition here, but as a kid, if I was upset at something, I'd go under the house, out the back or in the Jacaranda tree, and bawl my eyes out. A good proportion of the time, out of nowhere, one or more of my cats would appear, and line up for patting and so on. I think this calmed me down quite a bit, and I appreciated their attention. They obviously felt or heard my crying and came to investigate: would a Yowie do the same do you think?

Shazz

[stickyfingers]

Ha ha! Dear Sticky, the ovulation part 'aint the problem, it's the PMT you gotta worry about just before the end of the cycle!

...lol... um... yeah... of course... but... but I assumed that it would be a long field trip!!! ...

A bit off topic addition here, but as a kid, if I was upset at something, I'd go under the house, out the back or in the Jacaranda tree, and bawl my eyes out. A good proportion of the time, out of nowhere, one or more of my cats would appear, and line up for patting and so on. I think this calmed me down quite a bit, and I appreciated their attention. They obviously felt or heard my crying and came to investigate: would a Yowie do the same do you think?

...that is a brilliant question Shazz... some animals do seem to "sense" your emotions or well being... speaking of cats... I remember when I had a couple of operations on my chest and I was off for a few weeks and just layed out in the barbeque area to rest up and recover... my brothers cats used to jump up and lay with me... resting their heads or paws upon the area as if they knew what I had been through... it was always where my chest had been operated upon... my sweet wife and I used to be amazed by that...

..so this leads me to ask... if a male Yowie encountered a human male that was injured / ill or perhaps even dying... how would the Yowie react to that situation???... obviously the human male would not be a threat to him would he???... so would the Yowie just leave him be or try to do something to help him???... that's something that I have often wondered while reading these forums... as I said Shazz... great questions and a great topic... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[topender]

Hi Shazz..zzz..zzzzzz

Further to your question, when spoke to an older Aboriginal gent up here at a small community, south of darwin, he stated that there they dont cook after dark as it attracts the big fella and that they keep the young woman away as the Brungigit (yowie) is strongly attracted to them, the other thing he said was that a crying baby attracts them as well, and for this reason young woman and babies sleep in the middle of the house and males near the windows.
I had thought of the idea of getting hold of a good quality recording of a crying baby and using it in the field. I am aware of a gent in the USA who has produced a small soft disc that is impregnated with Ape and Human female pheromones, these he hangs in trees to attract the star of the show for a photo shoot on the TrailCam, but am having trouble getting an email address for this bloke..if it cost me $100 for several of these, id pay it just to see their effectiveness

Bloody good question though

[TWMcCallum]

You could be onto something there Sticky! Maybe the male yowies are not trying to attack the blokes around said camp full of PMT enraged ladies, but bravely trying to rescue the men from an explosive situation.

[stickyfingers]

...lol... you've just gotta love those male Yowies for throwing their bodies on the line for us eh??? ...cheers... Stickyfingers.

[Strange2]

DR. GREGORY BAMBENEK setting up a Sasquatch camera trap with pheromones. He also sets up urine baits from female gorilla's will on their menstrual cycle.

[iwanttobelieve]

You come up with all the good questions Shazz.

I was watching a show where a team of ladies conducted a hunt for Bigfoot and it was strictly a girl’s night out - no men allowed. Their theory was women were more "approachable", "interesting" and "less threatening". Obviously they weren’t from Darwin.

At the end of the day they had no more luck than their male counterparts but they all believed, based on their own experiences, that Bigfoot behaved differently around females.

A female friend of mine had a close Yowie encounter when she was very young. She had drifted away from her father who was fishing and was building a cubby house in the bush. She was singing to herself the whole time. After a while she felt as if someone was watching her and when she turned around there was a Yowie about 50 metres away just looking at her. When she let out a squeal the Yowie walked away through the bush.

I've read similar reports where Yowies seem to observe rather than stalk and quite often it involves a female or a child.

Maybe you should try singing next time you go bush?

I've thought of doing it myself but I sound like a tortured cat and I'm sure any Yowie within earshot would either run for the hills or put me out of my misery.

[topender]

Strange2
yeah thats the mate with the stinky pheramony thingies....thanks for that, i might try google him to find out more

cheers

[topender]

found them!!!

Sasquatch Pheremone Discs are produced by Osmic Industries and can be purchased through "BlueNorth.com" 8 discs for $40.00 US plus postage

I will see whether they can mail to Australia..if so i will give them a shot

cheers

[Shazzoir]

Topper, are those the ones made from female gorilla urine or whatnot? I am very interested in hearing how these go as an attractant. If there's anything I can do for you and the Up Top team, let me know. Bit of a pain that I'm down here in Brissie, but there you have it.

Kind regards,
Shazz

[iwanttobelieve]

found them!!!

Sasquatch Pheremone Discs are produced by Osmic Industries and can be purchased through "BlueNorth.com" 8 discs for $40.00 US plus postage

I will see whether they can mail to Australia..if so i will give them a shot

cheers

Good score Tops.

Hard to fathom that "Sasquatch Pheremone Discs" are actually in production somewhere in the world.

Hanging out for the dry season my friend. Need to see if featherfoot is still around.

Those southern boys seem to be having all the excitement lately.

[topender]

Yeah totally agree

Im down in Sydney next week with work, but am catching up with the STICKY one at some point, on one of the days i will be in katoomba....and..im thinking gee i could borrow a car and just whizz up the Tablelands road for the evening...BUT after reading Deans experience i may not come back alive....ooohhhh. Need to catch up when i get back about a plan for the Daly area and the infamous " featherfoot"
OH..and i will endevour not to have any preconceived bias

cheers

[Strange2]

found them!!!

Sasquatch Pheremone Discs are produced by Osmic Industries and can be purchased through "BlueNorth.com" 8 discs for $40.00 US plus postage

I will see whether they can mail to Australia..if so i will give them a shot

I would be interesting to see how they go out in the field, so keep us posted...

OH..and i will endevour not to have any preconceived bias

[topender]

If i can secure the package i will forward several of the discs to some of you folk way down there for some field trials.....im intrigued as too their effectiveness, it reminds me of a cartoon i saw somewhere where a hunter had used Bear attractant ..it then shows a picture of the male bear sitting on a log smoking a cigarette and smile on his face..the hunter is laying over a log with his arse in the air and an a*#hole the size of an orange....well it was funny at the time.

cheers

[Shazzoir]

If i can secure the package i will forward several of the discs to some of you folk way down there for some field trials.....im intrigued as too their effectiveness, it reminds me of a cartoon i saw somewhere where a hunter had used Bear attractant ..it then shows a picture of the male bear sitting on a log smoking a cigarette and smile on his face..the hunter is laying over a log with his arse in the air and an a*#hole the size of an orange....well it was funny at the time.

cheers

...Aaaaaand THAT's why I won't go out to hunt Yowies anymore! (kidding!)

Shazz

[doctorscream]

From my experience in the States, the Bigfoot that are not familiar with you, may first attempt to drive you out of their area in order to insure their own safety. The young ones just hang out and watch the dominant male call the shots. However, the dominant male can easily be persuaded to calm down by simply talking to him, and guaranteeing his safety. Not yours. The Bigfoot tend to understand the local language from eavedropping on our conversations, our thoughts and our dreams. Dream eavesdropping is one of their favorite hobbies, which they can do from 300 meters away. The younger ones naturally don't quite have the same command of our language that the older ones will have.
Once they calm down, we can start to ask them a few questions so that they feel like they are accepted as people. By explaining that a "yes" answer is signified by what sounds like a branch break, you can ask them a few simple questions. A good ice breaker goes like this. "Mr. Bigfoot, please break a branch if you want to be my friend". Or you can substitute "Bigfoot buddy" for "friend". They love to be our friend and love to hang around camp and have us talk to them, and include them in our conversations.
What sounds like a "branch break" is more often an electrical snap of varying intensity. I had a Bigfoot hang out in my kitchen for about 10 days. The only way that I knew the Bigfoot was there, was by the electrical snaps that came from there, when I was normally in another room. Except for the last snap, just before the Bigfoot left. The Bigfoot appeared to stop in so that I could give him or her some food with Vermont Maple Syrup on it. So if you want to attract a Yowie, forget about the whinning wife in the peak of her cycle, just cover yourself in syrup and strap an overnight bag to your waste, because you won't be coming home until they have licked you clean.

[stickyfingers]

I was watching a show where a team of ladies conducted a hunt for Bigfoot and it was strictly a girl’s night out - no men allowed. Their theory was women were more "approachable", "interesting" and "less threatening". Obviously they weren’t from Darwin.

At the end of the day they had no more luck than their male counterparts but they all believed, based on their own experiences, that Bigfoot behaved differently around females.

...hmmmmmm... my question is... were they all ugly women???? ... that would probably be the answer to THAT mystery! ... Yowies may be big smelly hairy beasts ... but they do still have their standards after all!! ...

...and doctorscream... is it doctors cream or doctor scream ???... and also... what part of the US are you from and do you frequent other Bigfoot / Yowie type websites by any chance ???... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[mattw]

Yeah totally agree

Im down in Sydney next week with work, but am catching up with the STICKY one at some point, on one of the days i will be in katoomba....and..im thinking gee i could borrow a car and just whizz up the Tablelands road for the evening...BUT after reading Deans experience i may not come back alive....ooohhhh. Need to catch up when i get back about a plan for the Daly area and the infamous " featherfoot"
OH..and i will endevour not to have any preconceived bias

cheers

If you want some company on the Blue Mountains drop in,let me know. I live in Sydney and have been up to Tablelands road the last 3 Friday nights. I just need to find some spots there that are more "active". It is a big area..

[stickyfingers]

Yeah totally agree

Im down in Sydney next week with work, but am catching up with the STICKY one at some point, on one of the days i will be in katoomba....and..im thinking gee i could borrow a car and just whizz up the Tablelands road for the evening...BUT after reading Deans experience i may not come back alive....ooohhhh. Need to catch up when i get back about a plan for the Daly area and the infamous " featherfoot"
OH..and i will endevour not to have any preconceived bias

cheers

If you want some company on the Blue Mountains drop in,let me know. I live in Sydney and have been up to Tablelands road the last 3 Friday nights. I just need to find some spots there that are more "active". It is a big area..

...sorry mattw... you missed it... it was a few weeks ago my friend... maybe we'll all meet up in a future time... I'll be sure to let you know when that happens next my friend... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[bush baby]

Hi Guys Great Question Shazz: I can tell you for sure if my wife has her moment of the month you stay clear of her or you get HURT.....

Mattw when we go in there i have set up a load speaker system so we can try some sound blasting( CALLS), also tree knocking , and bacon and snags sents as well. You never know we might have a hell of a night or come home with JACK........

Either way it should be a good night.

BB

[stickyfingers]

Hi Guys Great Question Shazz: I can tell you for sure if my wife has her moment of the month you stay clear of her or you get HURT.....

Mattw when we go in there i have set up a load speaker system so we can try some sound blasting( CALLS), also tree knocking , and bacon and snags sents as well. You never know we might have a hell of a night or come home with JACK........

Either way it should be a good night.

BB

...geez Bush Baby... speakers... bacon and snags???... it sounds like you guys are having a barbecue and party!!!! ... if you've got speakers blaring out loud you may want to put some music on for the Yowie... hmmmm... now let me see... how about what AussieTrev suggested on another post within these forums... "TeddyBear's picnic"! ...

..."if you go out into the woods today you're in for a big surprise... if you go out into the woods today" ... um... just remember... not too much alcohol eh?... the last outing with people within these forums kind of got a tad bit messy if you remember due to alcohol.... we don't want to go there again eh??? ... cheers... Stickyfingers.

[bush baby]

Good One Sticky, No Alcohol of any kind on this trip mate. Booze and Bush dont Mix...
Have a good one sticky....

[intrigued]

Fascinating thread!

I've thought about gender differences myself and even mentioned it to Dean... so a few thoughts...

Topender, I guess first off a few questions for your mate the elder...
- Are Brungigit attracted by song? A baby crying is very different to a melody...
- Are there any stories of encounters when songlines are involved?
- Are there any stories of encounters at traditional gender sites? (Such as, I don't know, female yowies at traditional female sites... say, birthing pools?)

- Dean, you said that your encounter at Ormeau and the encounter that ended in you being bowled over felt different. From what I understand, the Ormeau encounter was pure violent aggression. What did you feel from the other encounter? From what I've read I gather that it was less outwardly aggressive and more possibly protective? (I mentioned this, but for the benefit of everyone else...) It was on Dean, and could have done whatever it liked, which from previous encounters would indicate violence. BUT not only did it not "attack" Dean (as in major injuries, more than bruising), it hung around and watched from the bush instead of just disappearing or throwing rocks. I note also this was at a sacred women's site. All of which bring me to be open to the possibility that it was a female yowie.

- I'm really interested in what I've read about the lady known as Pixie. She doesn't seem to have had any negative encounters even though she's had plenty of contact. An interesting study into familiarity and reward systems? Sort of peace offerings of food almost - 'Sorry we disturbed you. Thanks for letting us have a poke about'.

- All animals have a keen sense of smell when it comes to pheromones, that's how they survive. I imagine that a yowie would be no different. What I find interesting is it's own hygiene. Everyone says they smell - not exactly becoming one with the surroundings, are they? Most other animals manage to keep themselves clean and to a minimal odour. It makes me wonder, what - if any - advantage this smell has? Other animals use scent markings to determine boundaries, but who would know with these creatures? Maybe its as simple for them as tree breaks? In that vein, have any of you gentleman (or ladies, but I'd never dare to pose so impertinent a question! :p) ever noticed any interest/movement/reaction from the yowie after answering the call of the wild? It might be interesting to see what happens in the area...


The musings of a very tired individual. Forgive any rambling and/or errors. Feedback/comments always appreciated!

[Dean Harrison]

It was a completely different feel. I often ponder over it.

Ormeau - First thought all the noise was kids in the bush.

After the crashing stopped I became aware that 'someone' was stalking me. Step by step with deliberate action. Parting branches, stopping after each crack under foot to clear the air, sliding its body through leaves of plants and stopping. It was a thinker.

When it came to the edge of the clearing, I was struck with the most unimaginable ungodly sensation. It was such an intense feeling of venerability that totally paralyzed my entire body. There was no odor, just a horrid feeling.

Then the raw aggression of the chase, well, that was overwhelming. I say overwhelming because it felt more than just being chased. You could 'feel' it..... and it felt bad. The grunting on each massive step as it was running, over powered the constant screaming and roaring.

The one that dropped me - I smelt it. It was a very strong odor of Sulphur, which I radioed back to camp. I felt no fear, no feelings of being watched. I sat down and suddenly there was walking above me from right to left. More like marching actually. Marching without a care in the World and obviously not scared of being known. I radioed that to camp as I stood up. Then without hesitation, it suddenly turned and ran towards me.

The only 'feeling' I had at the time was panic. It was all happening so fast that I barely had time to digest it. Before I knew, it leapt over the track and down the bottom half of the hill and whack. It was fast. Very fast. To navigate the terrain on that angle in pitch darkness, its eye sight must have been terrific.

I guess the worst part was laying on my back rolling from side to side kicking in the air. I knew where it went, because when Mikka and Joe arrived, I pointed in the direction. I didn't know what its plans were or what was going to happen next. Just pure panic on my behalf.

That was the first time I had even seen dull white glowing eyes. They looked exactly like the front cover of Out of the Shadows.

But as far as that incident is concerned, it was a far different feeling than Ormeau. It all happened pretty quick and I think my emotion/panic probably would have over ridden any other feelings anyway.

This one didn't read the Yowie code of conduct rule book. Its actions were unexpected and totally unusual to anything I have ever known.

Again, I don't know if the smell was from it being there prior to myself, whether or not I could smell it from where it was (I doubt) or there was another one down there at the time. All hypothesis.

Certainly an experience.

DMH

[mad_keen]

found them!!!

Sasquatch Pheremone Discs are produced by Osmic Industries and can be purchased through "BlueNorth.com" 8 discs for $40.00 US plus postage

I will see whether they can mail to Australia..if so i will give them a shot

cheers

im just gunna guess that they dont work lol.. just since the lack of yowie evidence lol

[topender]

i have tried to email those folk at Osmic Industries via the BlueNorth.com but have had no response, maybe someone else can try to contact them...if you do id gladly fork out the dollars for some of those discs...and share them around of course

[topender]

i just logged on to BlueNorth .com again, down the bottom of the page is a link to how to order the pheremone discs, i again have emailed them...fingers crossed for a reply