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I have some questions to table about Yowi anatomy.

1) Do they have opposable thumbs?
2) Any Ideas on brain volume? ( in CC's)

Thanks.

Hey Marivs,

Great questions! I'll have go to the freezer and check on those details for you.........

Great questions Marius, but you're tongue must be very sore!

When you say 'Yowie', are you referring to the 12' Quinken of far Northern Queensland , the 7' to 8' Dooligarl of NSW, the 5' jindjari, or the multitudinous variations in between and existing inter-state? Any ideas on brain volume in CC's - you're tongue must have been planted firmly in your cheek when you posted that one! Great sense of humour!

Not sure on the thumb department (Maybe)

Brain Volume: Must have to have eluded man for so long. I can safley say there more intelegent then all the Politicians put together....

Marivs wrote:
Any Ideas on brain volume? ( in CC's)

More than yourself maybe?

Various hand and knuckle prints from Sasquatch research in the U.S. indicate long broad palm, relatively short thick digits, and relatively long thumb more in line with the remaining fingers. This would seem to indicate the apparent lack of opposition in the the thumb.

This is further supported by eyewitness accounts when observing Sasquatch carrying heavy objects or hurling rocks - the thumb is described as being parallel to the other fingers rather than opposing them.

I am unaware of any direct evidence of cranial capacity.

Night Walker wrote:Various hand and knuckle prints from Sasquatch research in the U.S. indicate long broad palm, relatively short thick digits, and relatively long thumb more in line with the remaining fingers. This would seem to indicate the apparent lack of opposition in the the thumb.

This is further supported by eyewitness accounts when observing Sasquatch carrying heavy objects or hurling rocks - the thumb is described as being parallel to the other fingers rather than opposing them.

I am unaware of any direct evidence of cranial capacity.

Thanks for actually answering my questions.
I don't understand why these two innocuous questions have caused the reactions that they have.
Seems a good joke to consider brain case volume.
I didn't ask for a skull. I asked for information, which might be something as obscure as a link.

Brain volume (and in primates, specifically neocortex volume) correlates with sociality.
If, as alleged, Yowies are social animals aware of their environment, then it follows that they must have a large brain.

This is a chart of primate cranial capacity.


One theory that gets a lot of discussion is that Yowie/yeti/bigfoot are Gigantopithecus.
The fossil record indicates these impressive hominids were about one million years ago to around three-hundred thousand years ago. I am not having much luck in coming up with a definitive brain volume 450 cc's is what most sources I can find say. I believe that there are not too many complete skulls, thus making endocasts a difficult proposition. 450 cc puts it into the range of the great apes.

What of alleged tool usage? Do Yowies use them?

By the way, these are serious questions. My tongue is in its normal position. Directly under my pallet, between my teeth.
I would have thought that serious yowie researchers would have this information close at hand.
If anyone feels they cant address them with some level of seriousness, well, thats your prerogative.

Seeker wrote:Sorry Marivs,

But you must admit that your previous posts created a forum demeanor that helped all the jokes along.

Only one thread could be described as such. The high powered ordnance thread. There was a method behind that madness I have explained elsewhere.

How would any person have a clue without having a body or a daytime, in your face type of experience to even describe whether they have opposable thumbs?

Surely someone in this field of endevour has considered this sort of question? It is fairly basic stuff. Great apes do not have opposable thumbs, and are tool users on only the most rudimentary levels. Opposable thumbs mean manual dexterity, and possible consequential high intelligence.
Do (in the experience of anyone here, or known by anyone here) yowies show high levels of intelligence?

'How long is a piece of string?' is a similar question to the ones you have asked.

Twice the distance from one end to the middle.

I know you may want answers, but at the same time are you not trying to again stir the pot?

Best regards,

I am not about to tell you what to think. Get involved in serious debate or not. No loss to either of us.
I would have thought it more interesting coming from this angle than hypothesizing about yowies being aliens, or supernatural, or some other frankly bizarre notion.
It s all about the search for evidence. I have never discounted the possibility of these creatures, I just have never seen the evidence to confirm it beyond doubt. This is where I generally get accused of not knowing anything because I haven't written any books, haven't been on any dedicated yowie hunts, don't know my arse from my elbow about anything because I am a couch potatoe etc, etc.
Of course, that is all completely fallacious.
It is like me suggesting that Yowie hunters lack critical thinking skills and solid scientific training. I don't suggest that at all, and how would I know what anyones background is? Do you see the parallel?
I am not making any claims. If your best researchers choose not to present their best evidence, then thats up to them. But it does make it more difficult for those of us who appreciate good evidence.

Quite a rant. I am sorry for getting side tracked.
So no, I am not pot stirring.
The ball is in your court.

Nice well thought out post marius,

Apart from any disagreements we may have had before you do contribute well in asking the harder questions and i appreciate that. In time i hope to be able to give you some definitive proof about all this - not only for you, but for everyone interested in this phenomena.

Stay with us...I bet others appreciate your balanced approach without even saying it.

Whilst I have nothing of value to add to the topic of this post I just thought I would like to say what a pleasant thing it was to read YL1's post above.

Isn't it so much nicer when people behave with tolerance and respect of other people's opinions and questions.

Good job YL1!!! Very good indeed.

Currently, the entire fossil record for Gigantopithecus is limited to 3 jaw bones and several hundred teeth. Inferred skeletal reconstructions have been made which may give an idea as to the relevant cranial dimensions.

However, the discussion of Yowie awareness and intelligence is far more interesting. I’ll get the ball rolling…

Yowies seem to be genuinely interested in us humans. Many sightings involve Yowies watching people from behind trees and even through windows. Human activity within Yowie territory seems to arouse their attention. Babies and children are noted as being particularly interesting to Yowies. Campsites are sometimes carefully inspected. Despite their physical prowess, the few occasions when Yowies have chased people they seem to not WANT to catch them – on some occasions this seems to be clearly to intimidate, but others seem simply to observe.

Stick formations – crosses, tepees, T’s, and V’s – are often found in areas frequented by Yowies (i.e. areas containing footprints, scat, etc). This seems to go beyond great ape behaviour of snapping branches and saplings as territorial markers.

Yowies are, on occasion, seen to use rudimentary tools – e.g. rocks for hurling, tree branch wielded as a club – so in this respect they differ little from the great apes. However, some of the evidence suggests an early hominid (Homo erectus) level of tool manufacture and use. One sighting refers to a Yowie carrying and using a digging stick. Rex Gilroy claims to have found huge primitive stone tools and this is supported by recent Sasquatch evidence. Although I am unaware of any actual sightings confirming the actual use of stone tools.

One witness who encountered a pair of Yowies noted they gestured in his direction while making grunting/grumbling sounds between them. Although the use of a formal language is still unconfirmed it is likely that Yowies are capable of communicating with others via grunts, growls, whistles, “YAW” calls, ground stamping and tree thumping. There are a couple of sightings where the Yowie seemed to be doing deliberate hand signals.

Finally, for such a large species to have coexisted so close to humans for so long without being formally “discovered” shows, I believe, an incredible sense of awareness of self within it’s environment.

I am with you there Night Walker,

They deserve far more respect than we give them. Intelligent miracles, passive when not aroused, family orientated, in communion with nature. When we begin to know them we might begin to understand how to interact with nature as we should.

Thanks for your post mate.

1) my personal belief is yes. I lost my low quality "evidence" pictures 2 formats ago (young dumb and didnt back up)


2) No idea, but some US based Bigfoot sights have had talks about this sort of thing, maybe ask their ?