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heres an idea ..what if a web cam was set up in a known yowie area ? point a web cam from a hiding place (in a tree perhaps) and set up some sort of bait in a relatively open area and there you have a 24 hour watch..wonder if anyone has come up with the idea..im not quite sure how a web cam operates but if they can have one at loch ness and get some results im sure some thing can come of it in yowie territory..heck there is even a fairy web cam in ireland ..so its not such a crazy idea for a yowie web cam.

well i love the idea but there are 2 main drawbacks

1st is POWER you need power so it need to be near a farm of populated area

2nd internet access hooked up to run live streaming video. And the person would need cable or adsl which is permanalty hooked up and they dont mind loosing a bit of their internet speed.

An idea i had was to find an area with very hot sigthings and is fairly open mainly ground cover and sparse trees, And use a ultra light aircraft at night with nightvision and recording equipment flying low, as they could not escape the speed of a ultralight. Police use infrared nightvision at night in ther helicopters. anyway just a thought

i forgot to add a spare pc would be handy to do the job, Well if needed i can build and supply a pc for the job free of charge. but as i said power and internet access is needed

There's a mob that do that sort of thing already, but they do it to photograph rare Australian fauna, not Yowies.

Check out http://www.thylacoleo.com/

They use a waterproof pc type chassis, powered by battery. The device apparently uses a digital imaging system triggered by motion sensors and a hard drive to store the pics. I cant remember for sure, but they can run for up to 10 days at a time on the batteries. So they set them and then return days later to download the pics.

I dont know if it would be suitable for Yowies though. A Yowie is smart (bush smart), it might pick out the foreign object (camera) and investigate it, in the process trashing it. So you'd either have to camoflage it extremely well or stick it 30 feet up a tree.

Folcrom

It's been mentioned that Yowies have exceptional night vision, bordering on, if not infra-red.

Here's a simple test that I did at home that might explain why they have avoided IR capture.

If you have a low light video recorder with night vision, turn your lights off in the bathroom look around... you'll see the bath, the sink.... the mirror... When you look at he mirror you'll see a blinding light. Nothing like Stainmasters Super Nova fry your eyes out torch - but a very strong light.

Most consumer/ prosumer cameras with Night Vision have their own light source... Except for hi-end military night scopes. A sweeping light is a dead give away in combat and surviellance. It's why they are on 3rd generation tubes which operate on ambient light in nearly zero lux conditions.

If the yowie can see IR as your camera does then everytime IR motion sensors
are employed it will look like a soccer field lit up at night.

It's a catch 22... but sadly with no catch.

I would suggest trip wires... black cotton at Yowie chest height that is jury rigged to two separate systems.

System one - the power that operates the camera so that it switches on and starts filming. It takes a while for a camera to say 'Hey. I'm on"

System two - 5 to 10 seconds later, infra red or a low light source.

If the lights come on before the camera, there will be no action. The subject wll have fled. Action is the last command before a take on set. The camera and the sound have to get up to speed.

This is very easy to say on a message board I haven't tried it at all... The only thing I have tried is the bathroom experiement. Even then I was nervous.

Cheers Buck

Its unlikely that Yowies see in infrared, unlikely, but not necessarily impossible.

The reason I say that is the way the Mammalian eye works.

They contain rods for seeing in black and white with greyscale graduations.

They also contain cones for seeing in colour. Most mammals a dichromatic, seeing colour in a scale of blue and green. Many mammals, including many primates and humans are polychromatic, with a full range of colour vision.

Nocturnal animal have a rod to cone ratio that is heavily in favour of rods, therefore yielding enhanced greyscale vision.

In addition to this many nocturnal animals, like cats, have a mirror like membrane called the tapetum. This reflects light that hits the retina into the cones a second time, yielding a "double" exposure. Effectively doubling the light capturing capacity of the eye.
Yowies also appear to have a tapetum.

This would indicate that Yowies would have an excelent night vision based around greyscale processing. No doubt evolution would have endowed their occipital lobes with enhanced greyscale processing as well.

As I said though, this does not rule out IR vision, just makes it unlikely.

Just in case though. Would pressure sensitive pads under the soil be better than trip wires?

Folcrom.

Corrections and further notes:

The tapetum reflects the light back on the rods, not cones. My typing is terrible.

The only animals that "see" in infrared are reptiles, eg snakes. They see heat, but they use a specialised thermosensitive pits in their faces, not their eyes.

The night vision of Cats, Dogs and Deer is based around biological image intensification of greyscale. Its the equivalent of roughly a generation 1 or 2 image intensifier.

Passive infrared detectors do not use IR scans, they simply detect heat emitted from objects. If a Yowie can see in IR, then a passive IR detector would be suitable.

Folcrom.

I would suggest trip wires... black cotton at Yowie chest height that is jury rigged to two separate systems.

Bad idea

This 'method' has already been employed in various locations and, particularly in our area in the Blue Mtns, has proved to be a hazard to wildlife (chiefly birds), who cannot see the cotton and can injure themselves.

Also, if anyone is going to leave expensive game cameras etc in situ, I would suggest you heavily camouflage them as you run the very real risk of having them nicked.

Ruby

Absolutely

Which is why the tree hide idea might return. It works on the fear detector... of whoever is inside with a camera.

I agree, pressure sentitive pads would be a friendlier option... I'm sure it's been tried before.

Cheers Buck

[quote="stuart"]heres an idea ..what if a web cam was set up in a known yowie area ? point a web cam from a hiding place (in a tree perhaps) and set up some sort of bait in a relatively open area and there you have a 24 hour watch..wonder if anyone has come up with the idea..im not quite sure how a web cam operates but if they can have one at loch ness and get some results im sure some thing can come of it in yowie territory..heck there is even a fairy web cam in ireland ..so its not such a crazy idea for a yowie web cam.[/quote]== steven you could use an ultrasonic relay circuit the ultrasonic waves detect the movement of yowie and then triger the relay which is riged to a hidden camera this switches on the camera for the duration the yowie is in range of the ultrasonic waves those keychain lasers would be handy for longer range alert system and pionted at a relay circuit with laser light detector so when the beam is broken it trips the relay then this triggers the camera so it films the yowiem with 2 closely spaced laser beams to 2 detecter circuits could be used to give some indication as to yowie high compared to flying birds, and the saize of yowie; and allso a sound activated relay circuit to triiger the rigged camera when yowie makes niose powerd from a hidden rechargeble 12 volts lead acid cell battery with the right circuit to reduce the power down to a level needed to run the gear with, as for hideing cameras or tape recorders well if the tape recorder has a red led its a give away so cover it with some blue tac and theres good ways to camaflarge things like that by hideing them inside a hollow length of tree all gouged out and then restick the bark onto it and have it look so real that the yowie would just think its a peace of tree broken so it would leave it alone in favour of bigger branches it can use as for bringing in the yowie well if you made your own teepee like stick formation like they do the yowie would see it and come to it and corect it thus alter it slightly as your tewepee isent like thers so they will be ciurious of it and corect it so that will be in your favour ive read in the forums or somewhere where someone staked sticks up similiar to what yowies did and it was moved around differently when the person came back as for stacks of rocks a camera may be able to capture the yowie stacking rocks the way it dose if you biuld one it may come out and alter them as if it was doing it there way

[quote="steven"][quote="stuart"]heres an idea ..what if a web cam was set up in a known yowie area ? point a web cam from a hiding place (in a tree perhaps) and set up some sort of bait in a relatively open area and there you have a 24 hour watch..wonder if anyone has come up with the idea..im not quite sure how a web cam operates but if they can have one at loch ness and get some results im sure some thing can come of it in yowie territory..heck there is even a fairy web cam in ireland ..so its not such a crazy idea for a yowie web cam.[/quote]== steven you could use an ultrasonic relay circuit the ultrasonic waves detect the movement of yowie and then triger the relay which is riged to a hidden camera this switches on the camera for the duration the yowie is in range of the ultrasonic waves those keychain lasers would be handy for longer range alert system and pionted at a relay circuit with laser light detector so when the beam is broken it trips the relay then this triggers the camera so it films the yowiem with 2 closely spaced laser beams to 2 detecter circuits could be used to give some indication as to yowie high compared to flying birds, and the saize of yowie; and allso a sound activated relay circuit to triiger the rigged camera when yowie makes niose powerd from a hidden rechargeble 12 volts lead acid cell battery with the right circuit to reduce the power down to a level needed to run the gear with, as for hideing cameras or tape recorders well if the tape recorder has a red led its a give away so cover it with some blue tac and theres good ways to camaflarge things like that by hideing them inside a hollow length of tree all gouged out and then restick the bark onto it and have it look so real that the yowie would just think its a peace of tree broken so it would leave it alone in favour of bigger branches it can use as for bringing in the yowie well if you made your own teepee like stick formation like they do the yowie would see it and come to it and corect it thus alter it slightly as your tewepee isent like thers so they will be ciurious of it and corect it so that will be in your favour ive read in the forums or somewhere where someone staked sticks up similiar to what yowies did and it was moved around differently when the person came back as for stacks of rocks a camera may be able to capture the yowie stacking rocks the way it dose if you biuld one it may come out and alter them as if it was doing it there way[/quote]=steven ive conducted a laser test for hopefully long range laser detection of yowies to put it simply a laser break beam alert system now i like to know if youwies could see infrared can they see a laser to allso ive managed to get hold of a small brialliant circuit to listen to the yowies with and as soon as i get a few more ill send them to dean .

I have a solution, and will only cost about $600.

http://www.creative.com/products/webcam ... 2-1&page=2

Motion sensing web cam with broadcast feature & remote monitoring.

All you'd need is this webcam & a cheap laptop with a big HDD.

Laptop batteries last about 2 days maybe. Just leave it on, and see what happens. If the area can pick up wireless signals, you could remote network to a PC at home & check it out.

Just an idea though.

[quote="Alex"]I have a solution, and will only cost about $600.

http://www.creative.com/products/webcam ... 2-1&page=2

Motion sensing web cam with broadcast feature & remote monitoring.

All you'd need is this webcam & a cheap laptop with a big HDD.

Laptop batteries last about 2 days maybe. Just leave it on, and see what happens. If the area can pick up wireless signals, you could remote network to a PC at home & check it out.

Just an idea though.[/quote] laptop and webb cam. well the webbcam would need to be yowie resistant, like made of titanium steell and your laptop if conected to webb cam you would need i think somekind of remote computer linkup like transmmisions to send your webb cam picture to a remote computer, but then the mountainess ranges is a problem as you may get lots of signal loss as as the mountains in th ereas would would block any digital picture transmissions to the remote computer, unlless you borrow a few million dollars and a nasa sattleite, you would then be able to direct your tranmisions from web cam to sattlite and it will send it to your remote computer receaver via a sattlite dish, unless theres something i missed its only an idea, now another way is to use a transmitter alert with an ereal strung high up a tree and a thick steel plated capsel probe like design neatly camoflarged and left at a yowie location near some stick formations the probe made of steel will house cameras and microphones that are sound activated and with other sensors to. now the yowie would have a hard time pulling this to bits but all the inside monitoring gear if tightly packed in vibration obsorbing insulation would possibly survive any yowie attacks as for the alert unit to let you know the probe is in action a movem,ent triggerd transmitter to let you know probe is being handled or examined by a yowie now the ereal part of probe s transmitter is the part that needs to be revised as the yowie would just pull it off from the probe so it could be left out and the probe used as a monitoring and information gathering station that can be chained to a tree and checked regulary the power source well only uses power when the sound activated switch or movement sensers are activated so power loss would be minimall, the hevey steel bush probe monitoring station would be better biult in a shape that would be awkward to handle by the yowies , and the probe to have no external fittings that can be broken off by a yowie and all panels to access the inside instraments be bolted in place or screwed in place, and the probe can have a zapper circuit to give shocks when picked up so the yowie will leave it alone but be ciuriouus and examines it more , as for the internal camera in a narrow steel tube and senser to activate it when a shadow from the yowies face or body peeps into the camera tube hole which is inside and lower than the surface of the tube so it cant get at it and its picture can be taken with the aid of the senser unit which is in the tube that protrudes from inside the armour plated probe
as for cloudy days that cast shadows which would effect senser this could be over come, thats one of my wild ideas

James Bond style, eh?

If you could build a simple platform in a tree & climb up it far enough, with the camera facing down, it'd still do the same thing. The height would increase the chances of the wireless connection, extend your point of view & stop obnoxious hominids trying to destroy your laptop.

alex, thats an ok idea, a plattform u a tree ,if you can find a tree big enougth and with the branches in the right place for the platform to go it would need to be very high to as you have to concider the hight of the yowie and allso the extra hight with its long arms stretched out to, that would be helpfull in digital pictures trasmisions to a remote computer, and you would have to be able to see far enougth through all the other trees nearby, in your way allso if you put platform up tree you would probably like to get an eye view yourself, and with your webb cam youll need to then make it or put it in a good wheather resistant see through enclosure in case it rains now about yoiwes that can climb trees like they do when they seem to find didden cameras etc i cant figure what to do there yet, and even if your up a tree i think you may still have a few transmission problems unlless you and the remote computer are in a level erea and on the same hight at sea level with no distant transmission blocking mountains in the distant in the way

if yowies seem to be able to see infrared then dose anyone know if they can see laser light to, as ive been exsperimenting, with the idea of useing a longe range laser break beam detection for perimiter monitoring incase a yowie enters the yowie hunters camp erea, now ive got this simple circuit thas actually a light activated realy circuit but this circuit responds to infrared rays from a tv and video infrared remote ,but it allso responds to the laser froma keychaian laser so its range is very impressive , now theres a few modifications i have to do to so the laser when it hits the circuit will switch on when broken thus triggering an alert transmitter or camera or alarm if i was to use the transmitter it would have to be the beeper bug circuit which transmitts beeps to an analouge radio tuned to the right frenquency, the same beeper bug made by talking electronics is allso used to track stolen cars or objects , and i reckon if it was made small enought to fit inside the thick wool of a sheep you could track it if the yowie takes it away when it kills that sheep , the keychain laser i used, for the exsperiment to trigger the relay ,i have since got a new one with a minium range of say 60 or more meters because of biuldings down the street so thats a far distant and i just have to find a bigger erea to test it but this time with the light senseing relay circuit of which will fit into a very small enclosure and for the laser when i modify it it will allso fit in a smaller enclosure and be powerd by 9 volts battery instead of 3 button cells which measuer 4.46 volts all together,

Hi Steven

It may be that Yowies can see infrared. Dean seems to think they can and that may be the case. Even so, passive infrared detectors should work. They dont "actively" scan, they simply "see" the heat. So in theory there are no scans for the Yowies to see.

Personally, I think Yowies have a highly developed night vision based around Grey Scale processing, coupled with a highly evolved occipital lobe for processing visual data in low light conditions.

Add to this a highly developed awareness (ie psi potential), which gives them the uncanny ability to "see" anything that is out of place and therefore ought not be there, then pretty much any kind of detection system becomes useless.

Perhaps that's why detection systems have so far failed?

Regards

Folcrom

i still wodner why the our technologies are so uselless in the yowie fields they must have some remarkable skills or unknown abilities or better sence of smell than a dog would have let alone there great night vision and if they dont like torch lights then because they still rome around in the day, i then wonder if by anychance they have any second eye lid say a clear light filter like membrane that covers there eyes to filter the suns rays to,

Their reaction to torch light at night and ability to roam around during the day could be a simple matter of response.

If Im out and about at night and someone shines a torch in my face, I get dazzled too. It takes time for my eyes to adjust to changes in light conditions.

Yowies eyes being much more sensitive could simply take much longer to adjust. Many nocturnal creatures can still move about in the day, they simply need time for their eyes to adjust.

Among us humans, we have some people to whom we might ascribe "psychic" abilities or "psi" potential. Assuming that Yowies/Sasquatch etc are related to humans in someway, ie being hominids, is it possible that they have some level of "psi" potential?

What if the prevalence of "psi" potential is much higher in Yowies, than us Humans?

Can they "see" us approaching, before they see us?

Thoughts to consider.

Folcrom

[quote="folcrom"]Their reaction to torch light at night and ability to roam around during the day could be a simple matter of response.

If Im out and about at night and someone shines a torch in my face, I get dazzled too. It takes time for my eyes to adjust to changes in light conditions.

Yowies eyes being much more sensitive could simply take much longer to adjust. Many nocturnal creatures can still move about in the day, they simply need time for their eyes to adjust.

Among us humans, we have some people to whom we might ascribe "psychic" abilities or "psi" potential. Assuming that Yowies/Sasquatch etc are related to humans in someway, ie being hominids, is it possible that they have some level of "psi" potential?

What if the prevalence of "psi" potential is much higher in Yowies, than us Humans?

Can they "see" us approaching, before they see us?

Thoughts to consider.

Folcrom[/quote]=steven hey folcrom its a wierd world and the yowies sense and sight i bet are well beyound ours , ?

Hey Steven

Maybe we're conosidering the wrong kinds of detectors.

Perhaps consideration should be given to taking a psychics along on field trips?

Better yet, take a Witch?

Folcrom.

[quote="folcrom"]Hey Steven

Maybe we're conosidering the wrong kinds of detectors.

Perhaps consideration should be given to taking a psychics along on field trips?

Better yet, take a Witch?

Folcrom.[/quote]=steven hey folcrom good idea a pyshic may yeild a few clues about the yowies im open to any ideas

What about scent dogs for something so smelly they would be the best sensor. We would rely on them to find our children lost in scrub so why not the yowie.

[quote="treno"]What about scent dogs for something so smelly they would be the best sensor. We would rely on them to find our children lost in scrub so why not the yowie.[/quote] = steven treno a decoy of a dog would be an idea and to make it smell like the real dog the decoy and can spend the night with the dog so that it comes out smelling like the real dog if it dont get chewed up and mauled first