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Would you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:57 pm
by Skeet
Hi Folks

As you can see I am new to this board, and I thought I would relive a personal experience with you to get your opinion on what may have been taking place. Im sorry but it may be a little bit long for those with a short attention span!!

Im a keen fisherman and during the summer months regularly fish Borumba dam near Imbil which is just south of Gympie. To try and set the scene Borumba dam is nestled in very deep valleys where some banks consist of native gums and grasses through to dense rainforest with enormous fig trees supporting huge staghorns. Overall the terrain is very steep leading down to the dam itself progressively flattening in the upper reaches of the "arms" which were the original 3 rivers which were dammed to create the lake itself in the 60s.

There are three arms to the lake, Borumba, the Yabba and the Kingham arm. One afternoon while fishing the yabba arm with a friend we were casting lures on a large bend where the hills plummet into the water. The bank is heavily timbered with Fig trees and has a rainforest look to it. Closer to the waters edge at this particular point there are also clusters of lantana.

Well above us a massive commotion erupted, unable to see what was going we both just stood there with our mouths open wondering what was going on. Like a thundering stampede heading straight at us was the sound of trees shaking, bushes being smashed, branches breaking and rocks tumbling down the face of the hill , i actually though it must have been an avalanche of sorts.

Suddenly close to the waters edge five female red deer burst from the bush in an absolute panic, confonted by the waters edge they tried to half swim half scramble at the boggy edge of the lake in any direction other than that which they had come. Crashing into each other in absolute panic, you could clearly see the whites of their eyes, and the veins bulging in their necks and hind quaters at the obvious massive rush of adrenaline. One was starting to foam at the mouth in her obviously chaotic frame of mind. Thrashing madly in every direction the deer were obviously taken over by a primal fear that extreme danger was cluthcing at them. They saw us but didnt cosider us a threat in comparison to whatever it was charging down the hill at them.

The odd thing was the heavy thumping smashing sound still thundering down the hill towards the waters edge. It had a very different sound to that of the deer. While they were doing plenty of crashing and smashing they still had that constant stampede sound of many hooves pounding the ground. The only way to describe the sound of what was still charging down the hill was like a person running down a really high sand hill. If you have done it you will know what i mean. The thumps of the footfalls were much more spaced and had a very heavy thump each time they hit the ground. When you run down a sandhill your steps are huge leaps with all of your body weight smashing down with each foot fall. Branches were still snapping underfoot and the obvious movement within the bush gave the impression of sapplings being grabbed for support in the steep terrain.

Meanwhile the deer (still in a mad panic) managed to all head along the bank to a small creek inlet and again made a run for a flatter section of bush where they could be heard running rampantly in obvious panic and smashing their way off into the distance.

Needless to say we were still there standing on the deck of the boat wondering what was going on and what the hell was going to come bursting out of the bush at us.

Suddenly you could see a cluster of bush bow forward down towards the water and what sounded like something coming to a skidding halt. Rocks clattered down the hill and all was quiet. It was as if whatever it was coming down the hill looked up from its fixation on the deer saw two dumb guys on a boat looking up the hill.

looking at each other we had one of those really intense WTF moments where no one is game to speak or even suggest what might be within casting distance up the hill.
One thing that was really noticable was the absolute silence. From all of the choas previously experienced it was suddenly deathly quiet. Powering the electric motor i quickly slipped us away from the bank and back towards the main basin. Gradually the noise came back to the bush, but the really creepy thing was the occasional heavy crack of a thick branch beneath foot and clutter of rocks tumbling from whatever it was trudging back up the hill.

A friend also had a similar experience with a very large buck red deer with a full set of antlers charging down to the waters edge and actually swimming past his boat foaming at the mouth and eyes white with terror constantly looking behind himself. My friend said that the deer had no concern for the boat or himself (something i might add they will usually bolt at the first sign of) he said the deer hit the other bank and was constantly looking behind itself as it powered up the hill. He said the buck hit the top of the ridge and started punching out a huge bellow which is very different to that of "the roar" (the breeding season bellow) a warning perhaps?

My personal expeirences in the area iclude the following.

- I can without hesitation say that I have heard clacking and thumping when on Borumba

-I have also noticed stripped trees close to the waters edge.

-I have also heard clattering rocks tumbling down a hill side, starting with a heavy thump and clack like they have been thrown.

-I have only once set foot on the bank in the upper reaches so I havent seen tracks of note.

-I have certainly had that eerie being watched feeling and also had people with me say it completely out of the blue when fishing at Borumba.

So there you go. Needless to say we caught fish and had a great day but on the way home in the car in the dark there was that heavy feeling in the air of "what was it that we experienced today"

Am I making a mountain out of a mole hill???

Re: Woul you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:02 pm
by Foil_Hat_Guy(1)
Hi Skeet, welcome to the forums. :)

Thanks for posting that, it was an interesting read and it sounds like a very exciting encounter. :) (If I lived near there, I would be visiting next weekend! ;) )

One could even argue that the deer are showing intelligence in their behaviour (by putting the humans between them and whatever's chasing them), however, from what you describe, the deer were oblivious to the humans until they stumbled across them.

I was a little surprised about the story of the fully grown male deer, as normally large predators would seek the smallest and weakest of prey animals in a herd.

However, if times are desparate, this isn't always the case (I recall watching a couple of documentaries one featuring a pride of lions killing a half grown elephant many times their size, the other a leopard killing a crocodile).

Keep posting and remember to have fun here! :)

Re: Woul you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:28 pm
by Shazzoir
Hey Skeet, welcome to AYR, and thanks for the great post above.

I know three groups of people who frequently travel to the deer farm up at Imbil, one of whom is my neighbour, one of whom is a work colleague, and the other the couple I bought my home from in 2000.

I've not heard anything from them about any local news/stories of something odd at Borumba Dam, but might just drop it into conversation next time I see them. Probably not surprising, as I know the neighbour does a lot of fishing in the dam, but also has two lovely but rowdy kids in the boat, which may distract LOL!

I am really interested in this area, as a school friend of mine used to spend family school holidays up at Little Yabba Creek, which is less than 20 km from Borumba Dam if memory serves me correctly. She related to me after one school holiday up there about how her family were told by another camper/s (?) about something that was supposed to live in the area that scared campers away in the middle of the night some months before. She didn't have any further information, and her family never experienced anything (that they told her, anyway!), but Yabba Creek is an area surrounded by National Park, so it wouldn't surprise me that there could be something living there of the Yowie tradition.

Again, thank you for posting, and I am intrigued - I wonder if any other fishermen or hunters have spoken of odd occurrences like you witnessed? And for what it's worth, it would have scared the c**p out of me too. Sometimes not seeing something is just as powerful as seeing it. But I wish you had seen something! Do you take a camera with you? Might be an idea to take one with video capability next time.

Kind regards,
Shazz

Re: Woul you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:46 pm
by Skeet
Hi guys,

Thanks for your response, ironically I am a semi professional photographer and had the equivalent of a healthy deposit on a home worth of still photography gear on board.
The thing was, other than the absolutely freaked out deer there was nothing to photograph. A video camera would have been the only option to convey the movement and noise!
You also mention that you have friends who have been up that way. A point I forgot to mention was that we were fishing the dam mid week, it is generally extremely quiet and you usually wont see another boat all day. In addition to this the arms are extremely isolated, a walk out from the upper reaches to civilisation would take a massive effort and a very long period of time. I know it sounds like the usual one person account with no evidence but at least I had someone their to experience it first hand. To be completely honest I havent told anyone else about the experience other than my wife. I still dont know what to make of it myself. All I can say is had you been able to see the absolutely insane panic in the deer as they did anything and everything they could to escape I am sure your heart would have been racing.

I am still baffled and a little unnerved, I have seen Dingoes try to round up animals larger than themselves and the species being hunted will stand their ground. A big stag red doesnt sound like whatever it was coming down the hill, and farmer Joe isnt that heavy and couldnt cover the ground as quickly. I am at a loss for a run of the mill explanation.

The next time I am up that way i will take some photos of the same location and post them to give everyone a feel for the terrain.

Who knows Sumo koala from hell perhaps. (jest)

Re: Would you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:02 am
by _Daniel_
Hi Skeet,
Welcome to the forum mate and thanks for the post. Sounds like a scary encounter you had yourself... Maybe next time you're there you could jump out and go for a bit of a scout around and see if you see anything..
How is the fishing at Borumba? I've heard it's pretty good, do you need a permit?
Cheers,
Daniel.

Re: Would you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:35 am
by Shazzoir
Hey Dan,

Yes, you'll need a Stocked Impoundment Permit to fish at Borumba Dam - it's full of Bass and the highly-sought after fighting fish, the Saratoga. If you catch any Mary River Cod, they are totally protected, and must be released. I've also heard there are Lungfish in some areas of the dam. The usual silver perch and yellowbelly are about in pretty good numbers according to my neighbour.

Kind regards,
Shazz

Re: Would you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:00 pm
by BillTheCat
Nice report Skeet and very interesting indeed.

I'm certainly not offering any opinions on this one. I particularly enjoyed that this report was quite objective in the information provided.

Well done. I'm looking forward to any further reports about this area. These are the sort of reports that keep a skeptic like me interested.

Re: Would you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:40 pm
by _Daniel_
Shazzoir wrote:Hey Dan,

Yes, you'll need a Stocked Impoundment Permit to fish at Borumba Dam - it's full of Bass and the highly-sought after fighting fish, the Saratoga. If you catch any Mary River Cod, they are totally protected, and must be released. I've also heard there are Lungfish in some areas of the dam. The usual silver perch and yellowbelly are about in pretty good numbers according to my neighbour.

Kind regards,
Shazz
Thanks heaps Shazz,
You're a legend. I'd love to go there one day... really wanna catch me a saratoga...
Dan.

Re: Would you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:30 am
by Dean Harrison
Hi Skeet,

Thanks for posting that incident.

Imbil as you may know, is right in the heart of Yowie territory. In fact it’s only a stone’s throw from where we have often been heading out on Expeditions for over a decade and close enough to where I was hit back in January.
It’s nestled right between notorious locations such as Buderim, Gympie, Kenilworth, Tewantin, Jimna, Nanango, Glastonbury, Beerwah, Kilcoy, Woodford and Kingaroy – just to name a few well known hot spots in that area.

From what you say, it sounds obvious that they were being pursued, and whatever it was, stopped just as it arrived at the water’s edge.

Besides a 200lb Kangaroo with a bad attitude, I find it hard to fathom what other native Australian animal could have possibly cause such a panic and so much noise? Something so large that can thump, smash and crash at great knots and to have the intelligent mindset to stop where it did and not continue the chase like some wild animal.

The only other carnivorous animal I think of would be some form of Canine, however the shoe doesn’t fit from your observations. Everything went deathly quiet? I’m sure I have heard of that type of thing somewhere else (just can’t pick where???)...... Cough.....

Considering you were in the heart of Yowie Country sitting between countless reported sightings over the past hundreds of years, an event such as that happened, and we can most likely rule out a Fox, Dingo, Pig, or inbred carnivorous Possum. That doesn’t leave much to choose from......... It is extremely remote out there and well, we do know there is no shortage of the Hairy Men in those parts.


Below is a map of the location. As you can see, it is very mountainous, remote and unhospitable Country.

DMH

Re: Would you consider this an encounter?

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:40 pm
by Skeet
Thanks for your responses guys!!

Thanks Dean for putting the map up. I was hoping I could point out a few points on the map like you have with the arrow but I cant seem to do it.

My Incident took place just to the left of the arrow, you will see that one of the lake arms takes on an "M" shape. At the tip of the first peak of the "M" shape is where we were. You can see that it is very steep and also very green. If anyone can give me the pointers i would be happy to point out my friends run in with the big red deer and the other points we have seen stripped trees etc Actually also reminds me of a cows head we found split in half way up the back of the lake one day (eek)

As you can see it is very steep terrain and very isolated.

I was interested in your comment Dean regarding hot spots around this area. We actually live closer towards Tewantin on acerage backing on to a large Cattle property and borederd by state forest. Maybe I should pay a bit more attention to my surroundings!!!

Thanks again folks