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Yowie88 wrote:Or we could have a major UFO flap in a large city followed by landings from beings with good intentions.

Shazzoir wrote:Phase 4: Never admit that there have been covert agreements between the World Governments for decades that that certain numbers of human beings have been 'sacrificed' to our alien neighbours for whatever reasons, in exchange for information regarding their technology etc. (just my opinion, based on some findings from pilots who have been given specific training on what to do if you come across an alien spacecraft, and then whom have mysteriosly vanished on their next flight...)

..."Since 1947 or perhaps much earlier the UFO/ET issue burst onto the scene. The matter has been investigated, scrutinized, ridiculed, stigmatized, written about and toss about like a piece of red-hot coal for over 60 years.

Generally, humanity, world governments, the military and their intelligence communities have managed to ignore, cover-up and avoid the issue publicly – like a third boxer in the ring that neither the opponents nor referee can see. These intelligence communities have deftly managed the issue internally, using their own clear understanding - the UFO/ET issue is real and a matter of fact and record. They have also managed several critical blows to the head that the UFO research community may not survive. But the piper and the men behind the curtain may not be able to stop us from peeling away the layers to the core of the onion and the truth. Hope tells us we must expect no less.

Richard M. Dolan puts it best in his seminal work UFOs and the National Security State – Chronology of a Cover-up 1941 to 1973 , "… the analysis [of the UFO issue] leaves us with the distinct impression of the ET hypothesis as the elephant in the dining room that no one would acknowledge."

Where do we find ourselves today with this matter both within the UFO/ET research community and in the broader arena of public perception? As it stands today, in the year 2009 the state of affairs in the UFO/ET issue will one day be looked back upon as a, simplistic, naïve and perhaps nascent, struggling search for what was in front of our eyes all the while.

History will show we were too blind or collectively too stubborn to see all along. Complicit with our handlers in the so-called democratic existence we pretend to be part of, some among us will not give way to allow the truth to be heard or seen.

So, it is up to us to define where we are and where we must go with this matter. We discover what might lay below the surface by peeling away the layers to see where we are, who we are and where we are headed. Oddly enough it is a hopeful but not pretty picture.

The First Layers

Constant sightings that confound. Reports of abductions that perplex and are demonized. Government documents that are either real or fake. New UFO craft that have never been seen before that represent new emerging radical technology. Multiple sightings ignored by the general public, an indolent and complicit media and intelligence agencies craftily engaging in a crafty conspiracy of silence louder than a Shuttle re-entry no hears. Institutions, industry and a scientific community thrashing about to find illusive alternate energy sources, yet that remain blissfully ignorant of (or too proud to examine) the new realities of exotic energy used by the off-worlds. A government, a populace and media in denial about or totally ambivalent towards the distinctly real possibility that we live in a universe teeming with life… and get this! Some of those life forms have decided it´s time for a visit. Shall I go on even though no one is paying attention?

Sure. As the onion layers fall away, we can see the tears of regret wheal-up in the eyes of those of us who know. Keep the layers close by; not to be blown away in the wind, for they are our tickets back home, to the truth amidst the chaos.

We also have a UFO research community in chaos. Attempts by some to create consensus and achieve a realistic evolution of research methodologies are thwarted at every turn by reactionaries, unwilling to risk speaking of the obvious. Internal dissent, vitriol disguised as debate, e-mail crossing the vastness of cyberspace at light speed denigrates the work of this ufologist or that exopolitician or this researcher or that government witness – a community in disarray, reflecting the general anarchy in which the planet finds itself in 2009.

Who would ever want to interact with a race like ours anyway? One bent on global extinction behaviours that would have us remonstrate any religious belief, burn fossil fuels until it chokes every butterfly and rain forest on the planet and then, in denial, look the other way as if there´s really nothing wrong. A race that sabotages authentic attempts to resolve conflict in favour of spending more money on war does not sound as though it may be salvageable.

We also have a so-called monolith to deal with - an "elected government" whose sole objective appears to be to prevaricate, obfuscate and turn a once cherished value called democracy into the biggest sham since the lead nickel or the dumping of grain into the ocean to keep the price of bread out of reach of third world children. Does any of this make sense?

A pathetic lot we are as we sit to watch the parade pass – hoping for that one really nice float at the end of the procession that will ease our conscience because we´ve sat on our hands for so long, covering our eyes and ears in the hope – "there must be something good coming soon." Good things come to those who wait, or, he who hesitates is lost? A layer of indolence or a layer of action? We become inert. An enigmatic lot we are indeed.

But as the layers fall away small splinters of hope emerge.

ET is here and they seem, for whatever strange reason, willing to and wanting to help.

These are the layers… the state of the onion.

The Secrecy Layer

Let´s start with a simple lie, misdirection or truth depending on your perspective or one´s reactionary tendency to disbelieve the written word. As we all know it´s hard to tell the difference these days.

In a 1952 CIA document entitled "Flying Saucers" it states, "Pursuant to your request for overall evaluation of the "flying saucers" and associated reports, the following is pertinent. Notwithstanding the foregoing… facts, so long as a series of reports remains "unexplainable" (interplanetary aspects and alien origin not being thoroughly excluded from consideration) caution requires that intelligence continue coverage of the subject. It is recommended that CIA surveillance of the subject matter, in coordination with proper authorities… be continued. It is strongly urged, however, that no indication of CIA interest or concern reach the press or public, in view of their probable alarmist tendencies to accept such interest as confirmatory of the soundness of ´unpublished facts´ in the hands of the U.S. government." [EDWARD TAUS]

Choose to accept it or not, but as part of the American CIA web site in 2008 it must be considered. Many documents like this exist. Thousands more exist that we´ll never know about.

Are we to believe that since 1952 we have been so well manipulated that anything said about the UFO issue would be so soaked in doubt and tainted by disinformation that we disregard it outright because nothing, no-thing, can be trusted as a representation of reality when it comes to reaching some understanding that we may be being visited by off-world civilizations? Or, in an even more lenient way, ignoring what may become part of a subtle and complex puzzle leading to a clearer picture of what the truth may hold.

Any UFO researcher or media journalist who cannot see that this CIA memo clearly indicates there is very good reason to believe that a recommendation was put in place by the American Central Intelligence Agency to obfuscate the UFO issue decades ago, and who fails to investigate it in public, is either stupid (in the true sense of the word - stooped with eyes cast down) or is part of the same obfuscation process which originated the memo in the first place. This type of information must be viewed as at least part of the truth-puzzle; a layer to be examined not cast away in the winds of distrust. These kinds of conversations were and still are rampant but few pay heed.

It is not surprising then that many of us feel we have been so cleverly lied to for so long that as a community we do not know what to believe any more. This has been the success of the body politic - to keep us thoroughly confused about the UFO/ET issue and yet keep it cleverly hidden in the light of day under a canvas of secrecy. Like a tarpaulin covering a car, it yields to the open mind a silhouette that tells us it´s a vehicle. We see it before our eyes yet we are unable to discern details of its year, make, colour and model or whether it can be driven forwards or backwards; a very frustrating situation to our purportedly sophisticated intellectual human acuity. Especially when we are being told it´s an elephant.

Even the least curious among us should refuse to accept the known lie and the perceived one. This is a new definition of secrecy in the modern era of UFO/ET research – the lies we see and the ones we cannot. No wonder the truth is so hard to procure.

This form of government secrecy and the players beyond the curtain´s shadow of control have succeeded in plying doubt. Truth has become the casualty.

Again, one of our most prodigious researchers Richard M. Dolan assists our understanding. His assessment of government secrecy is profound. In an article he wrote, "America's classified world is removed almost entirely from public control. In the early 1990s, Herbert Foerstel, Head of Branch Libraries at University of Maryland and board member of the National Security Archive, reported that the Pentagon alone had about 10,000 classification compartments, often called Special Access Programs (SAP) and Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). More recently, author James Bamford (Body of Secrets) likened the classified system to ´an endless spiral, [with] secret classification systems within secret classification systems.´ We number our classified documents by the trillion, and the number continues to grow."

The Media Layer

The simple fact of the matter is that despite mountains of data and strange but reliable information, media refuses to pursue what could very well be truer than any of us are able or willing to believe.

Many in the UFO/ET research community have always been of the conviction that this so-called UFO/ET issue is so much more strange than we can ever imagine that when it all falls in to place as disclosure unfolds, the unfurling of the ET matter will defy and may not remotely resemble any of our wildest imaginings of what is really under the tarpaulin. This is the centre of the onion.

But our finest collective instrument at getting at what the nuggets of truth might be, a free press – is letting us down big time. Media has become inert like a deer frozen in the headlights of an on-coming car – knowing it should not stay to witness what might come next but is captivated and petrified by the sheer magnitude of what is coming.

The failure of media to question government secrecy in 2009 at all levels contradicts the role of media as a public guardian. Besides lies by government – the media´s flaccid presence is the greatest crime against a humanity the press was once inaugurated to serve.



Media has become indolent. Media has become a tool of a political slight of hand; a public deception, a manufacturer of madness witnessed on the nightly news and then again on Oscar night for the truly media-insane. If media were to ever wake up from its self-induced coma or choose to shed the drug administered to it by government intel-agencies, the fourth estate would awaken thoroughly embarrassed, unshaven as it peers into the morning mirror. Not recognizing itself, it will run and hide in the nearest forest of lies of its own making. Hearing the whispers of secrecy it neglects to confront, those in the media may need to find a comfortable rock under which to hide when ET comes knocking. Explanations of weather balloons will collapse like a cheap inflatable latex doll.

The media represents a truly enigmatic layer in the State of the Onion. It could be our finest tool. Yet media exists for the sake of a different piper. The one who pays the piper calls the tune; and the tune is; "do not touch government secrecy – trah-la-la-la-la." Examination of government secrecy by the media should not and must not be done only when it is expedient, competitively essential, politically correct or obvious. It must be done because it is necessary.

Journalists, at least at one time where there, there to ask the hard questions about sequestered information beyond the public domain. This doesn´t seem to happen anymore. Is this the position of media today? Does it see current layers of government secrecy as acceptable? It must, because secrecy is alive and well, thriving behind newspaper articles about tin-foil hats, hungry little aliens and the pseudo-nirvana of Hollywood, game shows and a never ending series of wars staged by the pipers.

Where does the truth reside today? Some maintain it sits in the bottom drawer of the pipers; a powerful elite. The only way that drawer will be wrenched open is by a combination of ET intrusiveness, public awareness and a media that wakes from its slumber. The truth, being as pervasive as we know it is, also resides in the collective consciousness of those who diligently toil to over-throw secrecy and a pale government-entity that has somehow usurped democracy while media was occupied by the glitz of the trivial.

Simply continuing to tell stories on a never-ending carousel of repetitive sports, entertainment, food and the sometimes intelligent but ruminative columns by obviously tired featured columnists is clearly not igniting the average mind to discover the truth. If anything it enslaves it.

Even the once constant coverage of George W. Bush and his former UK counter-part who blatantly lied to their countries and the world about a needless war no longer energizes people´s sense of indignation. Sadly, 911 has faded from public consciousness and been replaced by the fear of a faceless thing called "terrorism", an unsubstantiated ET threat and a vestige of a failing US economy on the verge of collapse. Quite frankly, the public has been numbed by the news rather than informed and energized by it. Strangely we have not only learned through the media to fear the future and mistrust our political leadership, but we have also learned how to enable them to keep on lying about trust and leadership. The truth becomes a casualty. We´ve had a number done on us – without even knowing it.

When will a leader emerge in journalism or in political life who is not fearful of high risk in order to tell the truth by breaking the cycle of silence and infectiously mundane issues to engage and link the ET issue to the enormous energy problems we face, the catastrophic environmental decay and a dysfunctional and immoral political agenda that keeps the poor, poor and the rich very, very rich?

Maybe that´s the way things ought to be in a world run by a corporate elite status quo. The world-wide onslaught of daily news has become a pernicious veil of mendacious pseudo-reality. This veil screens an indolent but needy citizenry from ´behind-the-scenes geo-politics´ that refuses to acknowledge not only its own mendacity but the blatant evidence of ethical off-world civilizations. The current path says; remain complicit. But a new path takes us to a new morality.

A Stranger Layer

Fact and another onion layer: To act as if this issue and the evidence do not exist is no longer an option. Fact, and yet another layer: Neither are the existence of ETs and the UFO phenomenon a minor misunderstanding by several hundreds of thousands of people. Too much historical evidence and current literature exists to deny we are in fact experiencing a shift in our collective reality. Being visited by peaceful and ethical off-world civilizations who have mastered interstellar travel at or beyond light speed and advanced technologies may assist humanity, if we dare to be attentive to the subtleness of their communication. Answer the call or ignore it as a marketing ploy from far away.

The telephone is ringing…Hello?

To pretend otherwise or to draw our weapons is to manufacture another mythology within a democracy already fraught with fear and deception about our comfortable state of existence amidst sordid poverty, climate change due to our over-reliance on fossil fuels, the vanishing perma-frost, health care systems that respond to politics rather than the sick, a cycle of permanent war with a faceless enemy, a seemingly non-ending succession of cultural and religious violence and terrorism - a planet in disarray.

Amidst these ´extinction behaviours´ a corporate elite thrives on fossil fuel profits in the trillions of dollars, a war economy and environmental ignorance – while 3,000 children per day die of malaria in Africa. (The W.H.O. and the United Nations Children´s Fund UNICEF April 2003 report data.) It is now within our grasp to resolve these issues.

These particular layers of the onion are not only disgraceful but they reek of despair.

In the face of this despair can we afford to ignore news of these ethical off-world civilizations as did the flat-Earth factions in history or as do the reactionaries within the UFO research community? In doing so we remain inert to these current global problems, like the deer frozen in the headlights of the oncoming car. The virtually insoluble travesties this ideology of despair engenders for us as a global community disables our capacity to recognize the possible demise of our way of life.

We react with frustration to the dead batteries in our TV remotes but remain ambivalent to the genocide of aids and the immorality of institutionalized ignorance. Planetary consensus about anything is a hope and dream kept from us by some very powerful people. But can they tell us what to hope for and what to dream?

One turns the page of a book in anticipation not despair.

The Layer of Hope

Can we engage the necessary discourse that speaks of hope about the plight of our planet and the relationships we may develop with those who may have found a better way? Refusing to speak of these possibilities is a refusal to accept and nurture ourselves as sentient. It denies us all a future that may hold an optimism never experienced in human history before. This DNA like denial gene relegates us to the nightmare of extinction.

Hope is a painful and arduous endeavour. But it is a gateway to maturity. Although we have not shown ourselves to be an overly prudent species thus far, our spiritual maturity is not in doubt and is surely resilient enough to handle this manner of discourse. The problems we face today could become remnants of the past if we choose to engage a different kind of discourse regarding the hidden possibilities of contact with highly advanced ethical off-world civilizations.

If the notion of ethical off-world civilizations is in fact incorrect or vastly different from what we hope it may be – then, we want to learn this through open investigations and a public examination of all the facts – and not be deceived or coerced into collectively disbelieving it as a result of the feigned ignorance, silence, complicity or deceit among an inert media or a governmental military industrial complex bent on abject secrecy. This form of public acquiescence and lemming-like behaviour is far too common and is the antithesis of the hope and social justice that is humanity´s primordial birthright.

What does government gain by withholding this information and repressing any open rational discourse among us? Must we wait for our government to lead us by the nose to an interpretation that may be theirs and theirs alone? If we wait we are doomed.

The recent hopeful disclosures by the French, Brazilians and the British of their UFO files will one day be looked upon as the first wave of official government conversation on the UFO/ET matter. Did these countries respond to the 1978 United Nations Decision 33/426 which encouraged all member nations to examine the phenomenon more openly? The often ridiculed UN may have – in its ponderous wisdom – ignited a political eagerness to move to the next layer of international disclosure.

If this path were to be followed by other G8 countries, we may not have to wait for these people from the stars to manifest themselves. We may actually be able to begin, by ourselves, the mature and open discussion about what the possibilities of contact with them may really mean to us. Citizens in a democratic society have the right to discuss these issues in a public forum, free from ridicule and above all openly challenge their political servant-leaders for answers and action.

The layers indeed get more provocative as we approach the centre of the onion.

It would be highly remiss of us if we wait too long – too long after the government agencies at hand destroy these documents and it all becomes a matter of "He said – she said…" This is an imminent possibility. The evidence is all there now. The action and catalyst of open discourse must be initiated - now - before it is too late.

Media can be the key in peeling away the layers of the onion to break through the doors of a secret that has been guarded for 60 years and save the truth from destruction only if we actively appoint it to do so.

We should not hope that ET will resolve our problems. However, knowing that there is a community of civilizations that have perhaps achieved the capacity to travel among the stars and who practice a form of interspecies ethics we know little about is at least consoling and at most, motivation for us to achieve the greatness the human spirit surely possesses.

When the day eventually comes, after all the layers have disappeared and the truth stares us in the eye, we can look back at this perspective as an early layer of understanding on the way to the core of the onion..."

I am now wondering if this reported meeting and agreement did in fact take place.

Its like Roswell...the worlds greatest secret ..we have aliens from a space ship crash.. I know this because I purchased a second hand book that told me this for $5.

And that govts are just as puzzled as we are.....

Within these cheap second-hand books is something incredibly important called witness testimony. Witness testimony is a major form of evidence. In some cases witness testimony alone can convict people of crimes!

One or two witness claims can be dismissed or explained away but when you have hundreds of credible witnesses with supporting reports .

Surely you are not going to dismiss a claim because there is no nuts and bolts UFO or alien bodies in a public museum!

Look at the Yowie phenomenon. No body has been found and any evidence that has been attained (eg. footprints) is just explained away by skeptics and cynics as hoaxes or some other c**p. The most significant evidence we have is witness testimony! Should we just say that it is all a load of BS because we have no 'smoking gun' physical evidence?

Sorry Mike but I`m going to have to majorly disagree with you there. They mightn`t have the full picture but I`d be betting everything I own that they have significant more insight into this phenomenon than the general public or researchers for that matter.

not whilst the general public continue to bury their heads in the sand and not demand from the media and the government that the truth be disclosed.

No problems with that idea my friend.....
I can hear a voice from a certain movie with Jack Nicholson ..and the voice is yelling "but you cant handle the truth".


Mike

Yes Sab2, You dont get the UFO French declaration+UN meeting were just dumb hoaxes..
You have made that point clear enough..

was not disparaging eye witness testimony.
I was pointing out the worlds greatest secret was available for $5 and everyone knows it.
To convict someone of a crime..needs a crime..

Then Stanton Friedman and William Moore ran with it...then witnesses started popping up..
Am I hallucinating or do the numbers of Roswell witnesses seems to increase each time I peek..yet with other historical events..the number diminishes.

I also find it odd that Governments can cover up everything under the sun...even the supposed truth about ufo`s..yet the world greatest secret is known by everyone.
That inherent contradiction has always made me wary of Roswell.

Good point..but the problem with that is the reverse..am I supposed to accept everything...if there are people claiming to be witnesses..?

Regarding yowies...there is secondary evidence of yowies..that sometimes matches witness testimony..
Regarding Roswell..where is the secondary evidence .?

I would hope they have more insight into ufo`s than researchers..

I can hear a voice from a certain movie with Jack Nicholson ..and the voice is yelling "but you cant handle the truth".

SAB 8 wrote:Not sure if your referring to me or Strange2 on that one. Incidentally I used to be SAB 2 so I`m going to assume your referring to me

Not sure if your referring to me or Strange2 on that one

What I do believe in however is that the French, UK Danish and Brazilians have all recently released significant UFO documentation!!!

Why are more witnesses popping up?

I`m afraid to say the worlds greatest cover up is not known by everyone.
The majority of the population regard UFOs as BS - thats why the cover-up is a success!

The field has been flooded with disinformation and the good old ridicule factor to such an extent that the subject is not regarded as real by the mainstream. That in my books equates to a successful cover-up.

How can you attain secondary evidence when the site is scoured by the military and all traces of evidence are removed?

I`m a little confused here as you stated the following in your previous thread: "And that govts are just as puzzled as we are....." and now your thinking that they do know more???

What side of the fence are you going to sit on?

At the end of the day Mike this is not an attack just an aggressive debate

(I know you enjoy them)!

Sure do..most people,,most of the time.. are not interested enough in anything to bother to respond to my rambling posts normally..


Peace..

Mike

As for the UN meeting etc...it's neither here nor there. There is no proof either way.

t’s all here say, and who you chose to believe and what you want to believe, if anything.. that’s all it boils down too.

I can link to the pages that have the proof it did happen ...just like anybody else can link to the pages that it didn’t...

Whether it’s a hoax or not,

I think most people can make up their own minds but to say everybody that does believe must live in cloud kooky land..well that’s just insulting...

How many hoax Bigfoot/Yowie YouTube links are post on this forum every year that at first, we all want to believe.

They look the goods

If I was on 30mm of thorazine and squinted my eyes..a couple might look okay..
People should get a decent gorilla suit for gods sake and shoot the video better..

What hard evidence do we have for any Paranormal /Crypto Phenomenon...? "ZIP".

most of the evidence is witness testimony, blurry photos, cat scat, size 25 foot prints...etc

If there was hard evidence the mystery would be solved..

It was a hoax

your obsessing..

I thought the heart of disinformation was to give wrong information to trick people.
Why would they allow the leaking/let the leak out, of the real event, the most important event in history, by hoping to trick people, by telling them the truth.

They did it with stealth testing and the stealth fighters were reported as ufo sightings..

Does anyone remember the "alien autopsy".
That was promoted by the ufo magazines, it was shown on tv..
media and the groups themselves dumb the whole phenomena down..mix that with some govt magic..=massive joke.

Are you saying that the only UFO crashes have all been covered up no matter where/when they have happened.
Or do you believe the only one that happened, ie Roswell, was covered up.

I also believe that the phenomena is far stranger than "just" ET checking us out.
Multiple Universes/other dimensions or even something wackier..

4. There is no point... just an ego pushing his own personal opinion on a subject that he does not believe in nor want too...

Ouch...
Fair point Strange..
My apologises for stalking you on the topic...!!!


peace..

Sab..I will reply to your excellent post on Saturday..

Mike

What they cover-up is the most juicy parts of the stories! Also by using elements of truth in some instances and then feeding disinformation the Government can lead researchers off into any tangent they want.

Disinformation is a lot more complex than simple denial! In effect a lot of time they will suck researchers in with elements of truth and then in the end feed them absolute garbage.

In effect the Government manages to strip researchers of all credibility.

But to do this they at first bait them with snippits of the truth. Once they have gained their trust then they are fed disinformation.

Another method used is to have very public cynics placed in the media. Phillip Klass was a perfect example and now it seems in his absence James Oberg has taken over his role.

I cannot help but notice these men seem to get an incredible amount of media coverage.

Good example. That film did incredible damage to the UFO field.

Kecksburg

As far as I am aware the most effective form of disinformation is to mix garbage in with the truth.

That film did incredible damage to the UFO field.

Agree..but..from my limited perspective, the researchers have done alot by themselves..they dont need much of a push from any govt disinfo.
Though I am sure a "push" does happen.
Take the infiltration of NICAP ages ago by exmilitary intelligence guys who "retired".

Like Linda Mouton Howe.?

Any good books on it.

However, in reality if we are to believe such reports, we then must except that the US military was full of Highly trained/incompetent stupid people that were playing around with nuclear bombs but couldn’t tell the difference between a balloon and an Alien spaces craft... not likely.