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Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:43 pm**

Have to get one of these little toys in a few weeks.
Instead of wandering through the bush not actually filming and having to react to get a camera up..this would be perfect.
http://www.goprocamera.com/
Maybe fit it to a cap..dont want to walk round with an actual helmet on..might look a tad odd..
Trying to segue to a joke about game cameras and no results with cryptids in general.
Could human interaction with cameras to get cryptid results be related to macroscopic collapsing wave functions....??

Mike

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:28 pm**

Mike;
I've seen these cams and they are great, but not cap worthy, they are a bit bulky for that. You would want to mount it as shown on a hardshell so it has some support and can stick up proudly so it gets a clear shot. The stills can be programmed and the video is a bit lacking in anything past twilight. I've been looking around also for a "headmount" and found that this one http://www.blackheart.com.au/vio-povt-h ... 16700.html which has just the camera head at the end of a power/video cable. This could be a good choice although a bit pricey. There is a less expensive model that doesn't have the time and date stamp (I see this an an important feature for later substantiation and study), but that may not be important to everyone. Again, the light sensitivity issue comes into play, but you have good color, small pocket sized DVR and with the model above, the ability to interchange the camera head to other lens options. It's also light enough to be worn on the bill of a hat is desired and carried in a pocket. After considering both of the above for the last couple months, I'm going to go a third direction

. http://www.surveillance-spy-cameras.com ... ackage.htm is a black & white, low light lipstick camera that can be clipped in a hat or more probably to the shoulder, and yes, the battery is bigger and heavier, but in the single battery configuration, daypack-able. Power and video leads and terminations can be made to fit also. The low light ability will allow in the night without extra lighting in half-moonlight type lighting (I used this kind of stuff in a former life and if you can kinda see in front of you, the camera will get an image, kinda, sorta. The system comes with aux lenses up to 16mm (slightly telescopic). Next week I'm burning up the lines to talk to these guys and get a timeframe on delivery since I have another pressing need for it also. I'll let you know what I hear from them (starting with the bare bones system and the viewer, adding the larger cards as it becomes needed).

Not saying the gocams are bad, more like I'm clumsy when I have more stuff on my head..... the price is much better than several of the alternative options.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:12 pm**

Ive puchased a little vid cam called Mini DV, about the size of a "BIC" lighter, comes with different mounts, including a clip allowing it to be clipped to a hat, shirt , belt etc, i tried it mounted on the old road bike...works well and is unobtrusive...does not look like a camera, comes with a tiny 2 mb card but will take up to an 8, i intend to use it whilst walking through the scrub etc, has the usual USB cable for uploading.....they have em on Ebay

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:42 am**

topender,
I've seen those but always wondered about the light levels needed. How well does it go from a well lit area into the shade? and how dark can it be before ya lose the image?

Thanks

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:22 pm**

It works fine in normal to low light, i doubt whether it would be any good in dark, but as a covert little personal DV Cam it works great, clarity of image isnt too bad either, NOW...being able to read and understand the instruction booklet...theres a challenge....written by some little non english speaking person
eg: "turn on switch blue,flashing good, waiting time"........yeah me love you long time too pal!

but once you figure out the gibberish instructions the camera works fine

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:28 pm**

So Topper, you only forgot to mention the cost..... can you give us an idea of the $$ of this little item?

Shazz

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:04 pm**

If its the one i'm looking at on ebay now.. about $5 + $13 in postage.

Video resolution : 720 * 480 AVI.
Video frame rate : 30 fps (±1 fps) .
Supporting system : Windowsme/2000/XP/2003/Vista etc.
Storage support : Micro SD card. Support 128M/256M/512M/1GB/2GB/4GB/8GB
Dimension: 55 x 18 x 22 mm (approx).

(720x480 is standard DVD output size, so not bad - 16:9 letterbox format)

For something that cheap.. i'd be weary.

Personally, i'd go with this:
Multi-function sunglasses - shoot video, take photos, and play MP3s
Records video with audio
640x480, AVI video format
Remote control for photo shooting
Rechargeable battery (2 hrs recharge time)
Battery life 1.5 hrs for video
Battery life 3 hrs for music/photos
USB 2.0 connection
USB storage device
Video storage: approx. 4 hours
8GB storage capacity
Lightweight frames
Anti-scratch Polarized lenses
Replaceable lenses
Stereo headphones

$99 USD, which may be a bit hard on the wallet, but you can't ask for anything better in my opinion.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:04 pm**

Nopolys

I really liked this http://www.surveillance-spy-cameras.com ... ackage.htm
Just the price is a bit iffy..Tops idea of the glasses cam is great but the focal length might be a bit short.
Now why do game camera..not get images of cryptids in Australia yet a human operating a camera..does..mmmm.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:11 pm**

Well surely Shazz

i got mine for about $45, yes cheap BUT it does the job, if i could find a simaler small hands free DVcam id be all over it like the fat kid on a cup cake, something that clips onto jacket or belt

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:45 pm**

I'm with you Mike, it's a problem to spend a bunch of money on game cams and get tree limbs moving...... I've been doing a lot of looking at game camera pictures recently, (call it visual research...lol) and even with the grazers, you see them look at the camera after a few shots, even though they do not see IR.

I'm seriously thinking of finding someone who has a game camera or two and putting a microphone (or even a cds cell or some such) to the O-scope and seeing what kind of noise (or light) they really produce..... the cap charge whine could sound like a siren in the wrong place

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I keep wondering why people report hairy people "follow" and "stalk" people even with torches, but run from game cams. This is why, along with the other reason I am thinking of the purchase, (a roof leak we have so far invested close to $7K in and tonight in a light rain the wet spot is getting bigger ..... siiigh) I want to try a static long term video system with the recording bits located away from the lens bits. I've had good luck in the past with similar systems effectively watching the hairless two legged tribe. The no moving parts in the recorder may also be an advantage.

As an aside..... another toy taking up space is a good thing, isn't it?

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:47 pm**

Mike Williams wrote:Nopolys

I really liked this http://www.surveillance-spy-cameras.com ... ackage.htm
Just the price is a bit iffy..Tops idea of the glasses cam is great but the focal length might be a bit short.
Now why do game camera..not get images of cryptids in Australia yet a human operating a camera..does..mmmm.

Well.. about the game cameras: do they use the same frequency range or whatever? I've never seen nor touched one personally so I wouldn't know how loud they are. If they record directly to internal HDD or whatever, maybe the spin up/spin down of the HDD puts them off? Also, if they auto-focus, maybe the lens adjustment motor or whatever; same thing, the noise might put them off and they hear & avoid it. Actual hand cams, although pretty much the same thing, are more spur of the moment. Not making too much noise until you hit record, which is why more often than not you'll only catch maybe 3-5 seconds of one on cam (if you're lucky) before they run off. This is all hypothetical thinking here, by the way.

edit: random thought about rigging up a "home made" trail-cam. It could only be used during the day probably, but - just follow me on this one and it might be effective. You'd need the following things:
- Logitech QuickCam® Orbit AF (has motion auto tracking & real time lighting adjustment)
- a laptop.

Plug webcam into laptop. Run the recording software that comes with it. Wait.

It would be a good "base camp cam". Just have one of those webcams hooked up to a laptop when you're camping, leave the laptop in the tent, webcam affixed to the top of the tent outside just before you sleep.. and hopefully you might get something. Don't have it on during the day unless you know you're in a hotspot and know your camp might be raided or whatever.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:50 pm**

topender,
Have ya considered something like my old friend Mr Duct Tape and maybe a spring clip of some type to hook that onto hat?..... just a random thought, it might work.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:47 pm**

Well.. about the game cameras: do they use the same frequency range or whatever? I've never seen nor touched one personally so I wouldn't know how loud they are. If they record directly to internal HDD or whatever, maybe the spin up/spin down of the HDD puts them off? Also, if they auto-focus, maybe the lens adjustment motor or whatever; same thing, the noise might put them off and they hear & avoid it.

All valid points..!!
Normal animals wander in front of game cameras all over the world.
But not cryptid animals here..
Normal game camera sequences overseas show animals feeding in front of the camera..
Yet ..I have seen on a number of occasions..sequences..where for example..a dead roo..will show photo after photo of foxes etc feeding on it..then..wham..foxes looking at an area and smelling the ground..with no roo.
And most are advertised as movement detectors but are mostly passive thermal active detectors..
Perhaps in some models... due to the foxes constantly moving in front of the camera , the camera itself never goes into a rest/ready mode.??
Because..if thats not the reason.....
I even looked at photos of the "vanishing pig" incident in Bowen mountain a few years ago.
Wet sand..pig on the ground..thermal camera...next day..no pig..no prints...
Perhaps the camera malfunctioned ..at the same time a light rain washed the prints away..perhaps..

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:12 pm**

Either way i reckon we are due for a new type of stealth cam on the market, either much smaller and more efficient or some new technology.
currently i am suspicious that my IR stealth cams are actually visible to some critters, and that the original flash models maybe better.

cheers

Posted: **Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:12 pm**

Just skimming through Cryptomundo and found this. I'll post the link & the main part of the article.

Link: http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bf-cameras/

I would like to answer some questions that have been raised concerning cameras and if they make high pitched sounds that humans cannot hear. The simple answer is YES!
Many types of electronics devices such as surveillance cameras, tape recorders, camcorders as well as other kinds of electronics produce measurable sound in the ultrasonic range. The ultrasonic sounds are produced at the electronic component/circuit board level. Even small electrical components soldered to a circuit board can transmit their ultrasonic vibrations through to the circuit board they are mounted to causing the circuit board to vibrate and produce ultrasonic sounds. I have demonstrated this process at Eric Altman’s East Coast Bigfoot Conference as well as Don Keating’s Ohio Conference.

I have been working on this concept since I saw a deer looking into one of my remotely deployed video cameras back in 1997. The deer in question tripped the surveillance system and it started to record the black and white video as well as audio. The recording showed the deer looking directly at the camera from about 15 feet away, during this time the deer kept twitching its ears and it was obvious the deer was hearing something produced by the camera.

Soon after reviewing the video footage, I conducted a search on deer hearing. I found that deer can hear into the ultrasonic range as well as many other animals. After that, I searched, found and purchased a device that can detect ultrasonic sound and convert that sound into audio we humans can hear and record. The camera used in that particular surveillance system was tested and it did in fact produce ultrasonic sounds I was able to measure and document. The sounds you hear are high pitched and mixed with various tones, similar to the sound of bees around a bee hive.

As some people have stated, they can hear high pitched sounds in some electronic equipment, this is not uncommon.

So yes, some electronic equipment produces high pitched ultrasonic sound we can measure and document.

Can the Bigfoot creatures hear these sounds? I don’t think anyone can answer that question right now.

Hopefully, the new EyeGotcha camera systems I am building will not produce ultrasonic sounds and catch these creatures off guard. The camera systems will be going on sale in the spring, starting a manufacturing business of this magnitude takes time and money, but it’s almost ready to go.

Posted: **Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:05 pm**

This was the driver behind my thought of moving the camera (lens and ccd/cmos head) to the sighting location and putting the recording equipment some distance away. The sound from the recorder, whether flash drive or HDD can then be properly attenuated and secured. While a video camera can create some level of sound and heat signature, its less than the sum of the whole if you pack it all into one package. Lots of side issues jump up very quickly here, but I think the potential is worth it. I used to use similar techniques installing video cameras in another life. Unfortunately, all of the equipment "went away" during the divorce process.

Posted: **Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:41 pm**

Was on one of my car forums tonight, and the topic of thermal imaging cameras came up. The very first response to the posted thread start had me laughing - and the game was over in one!

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