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Hi all,
Just new to these forums but have lurked for a while. I wanted to share some pictures i took a few days ago. seen these piles out of the corner of my eye whilst riding my motorbike through there(luckily my eye is trained to pick up strange shapes in the bush).I know this is not evidence of a yowie but i have read that it may be something of there doing or connected with them.

These were taken along a dirt track that runs from Bilambil to near Murwillimbah. The track runs through very thick and steep jungle. People do live along it but it is sparsely populated. The creek line/track intersection where the pictures were taken is approximately half way in. There was 3 seperate stacks about 2m away from each other. Sorry about the quality I only had my phone camera. Also I checked the area from footprints/indentations etc but the ground is very stoney/pebbley so didn't find anything conclusive.

I have started researching reports and activities from this area but most happened at least 10 years ago.I travel through there once or twice a week so i will be keeping a keen eye out. Might spend a night out there if i can encourage a mate.

Panzerjager.

One more pic of all three together that i couldn't put in the original post.Cheers,

Panzerjager

Hey there Panzerjager

First off welcome to the forums

Nice photos don't worry about them not being clear enough there fine

The Forested areas around Murwillimbah have a rich history of sightings, North, South, West, not so much East as it quite urbanised now, so you could be on to something. Its hard to say what may have caused those rock stacks possibly Humans, possibly Yowie, whose to say They are nice looking rock stacks non the less.

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks Chewy,
I thought the same either humans or yowie, but probably bored humans. Just like contributing to the research in my area. Will post any further developments.

Panzerjager

Welcome to the forum!

Those rock stacks, from what I can tell by the pics, they're all located around a.. creek? Looks like it, anyway. Maybe markers for good places to catch yabbies or crayfish or whatever the hell lives in creeks?

Is the area where you took the photo frequented by people a lot? If not, take one of them down, then come back a day or so later and see if its back up. They're either markers for food or territory, but.. i'm going with food. Or could even be their version of traffic cones:

"Don't go that way you'll slip and make too much noise, come this way instead, you'll be all stealthy still and be able to scare people easier." Nothing worse than when you're trying to creep up on someone and you slip and fall over.

Stick a five dollar note sealed in a small jar or bottle on one stack. Put an identical jar or bottle holding some shiny trinket on a second stack. Then pull the remaining stack down.

Money gone, stack left broken - most likely humans.

Stack fixed, money still there - who knows.

Stack fixed, shiny thing gone - open verdict Fairies? Anti-materialistic ferals looking for dreddlocks ornaments?

Looks like a nice spot for a wander around anyway.

I'd suggest it's probably kids, playing around while Mum n Dad share a drop of Chardy, or the old man does a spot of fishing. I often find things like that just a little way off the beaten track, and a few times in very isolated or hard to reach spots - the presence of food wrappers, fresh charcoal, tentpeg holes or the odour of the call of nature being relieved behind the surrounded shrubs has been a strong indicator of humans of some kind.

Some have been in fairly inexplicable spots though, or on sandy ground with no disernible footmarks around them. Course, a few weeks of wind or rain or a slight creek flow can wash away marks and just leave the stacks.

Also some stacks in my area that are old property markings from original clearing days. These are usually found within a few paces of modern, more accurately surveyed boundaries. Others are obviously the work of pagans or people of other spiritual beliefs, for whatever reasons suit them.

I have found a few largish stones wedged into tree forks in my area, say 1.5 times the size of my fist (thats a size 12-13 fist, btw).Some have been there a while based on growth of the bark around them. I suspect they may be forgotten shooting targets though to be honest I have never found the remains of one shattered by a good shot at the base of the tree, even with a bit of digging, and no firearms damage to the bark or branches either.

Thanks for sharing your photos.

deadpool wrote:Welcome to the forum!

Those rock stacks, from what I can tell by the pics, they're all located around a.. creek? Looks like it, anyway. Maybe markers for good places to catch yabbies or crayfish or whatever the hell lives in creeks?

Is the area where you took the photo frequented by people a lot? If not, take one of them down, then come back a day or so later and see if its back up. They're either markers for food or territory, but.. i'm going with food. Or could even be their version of traffic cones:

"Don't go that way you'll slip and make too much noise, come this way instead, you'll be all stealthy still and be able to scare people easier." Nothing worse than when you're trying to creep up on someone and you slip and fall over.

Thanks Deadpool, Good to be here.

Yes the location is a part of the track that intersects a creek. From trapping in similar areas there are alot of yabbies and crays as well as numerous turtles. So it could definitely be a food marker.

The area is somewhat frequented by it's local residents. I would guess an average 10 or vehicles passing through every 24hrs. But still a very quiet area,especially the hills around it which would be empty of people. I will take your suggestion and take one of the stacks down and observe the results. Thanks mate.

Panzerjager

$5! It better not be a human

lol Seriously though i will try something like that in the next few days.

My thoughts on what created them are similar to yours. It's more probable it being humans but worth looking into further.

Panzerjager

Or burn a few cd's.

Some Xavier Rudd, some Jack Johnson, and some Creedence. If the Creedence is gone, it's a yowie.

All yowies listen to Creedence, it's a well known fact.

If the Rudd is gone, it's ferals and if the Johnson is gone, it's those pesky daytrippers.

And if you look around and your bike is missing, it's the locals

Hence the song "Bad Moon Rising"?

a typical yowie Creedence fan. an older specimen, has typical yowie-pattern baldness in some areas



The Yowie D ude abides...

Be sure to let us know how you get on, Panzer.

I have seen a rock stack very similar to this located right on the side of a fire trail in the Sherwood Cliffs behind Glenreagh nsw , at the time I discounted it as the work of bored children or something of the like and now with great damnation I did not even stop to check for prints around the area albeit at the time I was very fresh to Yowie research and only slowed down upon passing it out of curiosity as to why it would have been errected in such a remote place and so close to the edge of the track .

Looking back the stack was also located quite close to a relatively deep creek crossing , possibly a good place to return if not for the discovery of Hominid evidence then for the pursuit of the Bush Lobster ( fresh water cray fish , yabbies ) HHHHHmmmmmmmmm !
YYYuuummmmm !



I AM NOT LOST I AM WHERE I WANT TO BE ............

Hi cryptobotanica it look,s like the "d ude" from the big lebowski.....lol

Stick a five dollar note sealed in a small jar or bottle on one stack. Put an identical jar or bottle holding some shiny trinket on a second stack. Then pull the remaining stack down.
Money gone, stack left broken - most likely humans.
Stack fixed, money still there - who knows.
Stack fixed, shiny thing gone - open verdict Fairies? Anti-materialistic ferals looking for dreddlocks ornaments?

Thats Bloody hilarious..!!!
The last time I was caught out with rock stacks..I kept knocking them over..they kept getting stacked back..so..I knew..it has to be a bored yowie.
Critical thinking or what..!!
So..i knocked them over..and left a pen and paper..
Came back two days later..the stack is up again..the note said..Please leave the cairn alone..they are in memory of a friend.
Bingo..this proves yowies can write english and have feelings..

Classic stuff, Mike. Personally, anything out of the ordinary I find, tends to stay that way. Even if it's "just some kid", as the father of "just some kid" I know what a kick they get out of making their little mark on the world. If it's anything else, well, why stuff with it? Just something, doing it's thing. It's a big country, we can all share it, enjoy it, and get along with each other.

Mr. X - it is. But he doesn't have to cuss so much

Actually, it took some shoehorning to get "The D ude" out there. What's with the d ude-ist censorship? Is it some retro-nationalist thing? Should I get a Southern Cross tatt? Drive a Holden? I already fulfil one of those requirements. If it's down to beating on Indians in Cronulla because I'm stupid enough to think they're Muslims, count me out.

I notice the filter does not pick up on "hamburger", "milkshake" or "guy" which are all terms we accepted into common Standard Australian Usage around 1940-50.

I think that's the "Hey mate, don't call me mate" filter in action, Cryptobotanica! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pwgv_Rbm34

LOL


Shazz

Try building your own and knock down the 1's at the location, and then urinate on your piles (scent marking), this may sound odd but if it is a Yowie, it may see this an attempt to move in on its territory..... Wait for the fireworks....lol

What fireworks would they be? I've never smelt strangely humanoid piss patches in the scrub. Ever. Cats, foxes, dogs, scrub cattle, and normal people, easy.

If all it took was peeing somewhere weird to get some camera-worthy shots, I'd have done it years ago

Though I do use an equal mix of yellow gold, lemongrass oil and chilli extract in a spraypak, over all my boundaries to help keep wild dog and cat numbers down. Noticeable increase in bird life since I started doing that every few weeks.

Urinating on rock cairns.... reminds me of a report I only just recently read. The rock cairn bit is towards the end.

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... ville.html

Countermarking some distance away, or in a surrounding pattern is pretty typical wild dog behaviour.

I like how that account mentions he was 22 before leaving the area, but "kicking himself for just being a kid and not investigating properly"

I suspect any wild hairy people would have wild hairy pets, but that's just me.

"... but ended the rock cairn war". Uh, why? It's just a smell. Animals that engage in scent marking , much like humans, will do almost anything to avoid an all out confrontation (notice how few ppl are eaten to death by dingos?) and in any case the whole thing seems to kind of reek... not of musk, just of BS. Wanting to believe, and finding a reason to believe, can be different things.

I believe, purely because I know. Not because various loners around the interwebs are latent creative writers .

trash thing is interesting. If only because it's odd a 5 year old would know the waste management regimen of the neighbours. Also that there is no mention of a police report inspite of what soudns like unwanted human intrusion onto their turf. Unlocking a gate? Unlocking a bin? I wonder if "lock" means lock, or just a catch of some kind?

Once again, no fibres, prints or actual evidence of any kind whatsoever that cannot be explained by human or natural phenomena.

I ran out of fuel, years ago, middle of nowhere. Came back, car stank. Left a window down. All kinds of things had taken the chance to make mess on/in/next to it. But just because a dozen dif species decided to take advantage of a clean scent platform, doesn't mean it was a yowie or a BF. Just that critters piss on things

I already believe. I don't benefit a whole lot from make believe accounts - or accounts so poorly investigated/substantiated that they may as well be make believe.

Rapists are real. But not every report proves their activity. It does not make them exist any LESS... but... it sure as sugar does not make em exist any MORE than they already do.

I like the vague descriptives too.

Tall, covered in black hair.

Sorry...so it looks like a person but hairy? or an ape of some kind? something in between? did it have a human or an animal face? feet? hands? expression? mannerisms? mode of movement? Is that black, or just dark? Sparse, or thick? How long?

SO many reports seem to mention "yeah it was big and hairy" but nothing beyond that... nothing at all. Classic examples of coming up with an account to align with a mental image the "complainant" already has, versus the often detail packed reports you tend to get from people who have had a paradigm shattered without warning .

Scant reports of some long missing neighbour girl that might have seen something (its been documented that females are somewhat less likely to "go along with the story" than males , all other things being equal... less to prove? hah) but then again, thinks she honestly didn't... and some flat grass are kind of lacklustre efforts.

Sounds like someone had an especially hairy neighbour, that was into walking wild places.

Whoa.... steady..... I don`t recall saying it was the holy grail of BF encounters! Geez we got a fiesty bunch of newcomers lately.... I`m starting to get a complex.... I only put it up as the previous exchange seemed related and coincidental with me having just recently read it.

Yer it probably is BS.... but how can you be so sure? Did you interview the witness or investigate the case? Wouldn`t a more healthy approach be to leave it in the unsure category pending further evidence? You concluded this report was BS based on the writing technique of the author..... hhhmmmmm..... guess we all better start paying closer attention to our narrative accounts otherwise face the risk of being labelled a hoaxer!!!!

Many accounts of Yowie`s/Bigfoots having distinctive urine odours eg. This extract from last years Mount George sighting:

They returned to the exact location the next morning to attempt to find hair samples and footprints and take photos.
"We didn't find any hair but we found an indentation in the ground resembling a giant footprint and a big spot of urine."
She said the urine had stripped part of the bark near a tree and looked like oily spots - "and it stunk".

Scant-vague reports...... hhhmmmm the majority of sightings are fleeting glimpses!!! BF or Mr. Yowie often doesn`t hang around long enough for one to produce a portrait! Unfortunately!

Then again, as you say, it could have been a pet or any other conventional animal. Who knows for certain? Rigggghht!

Shyeah... oversensitive, much?

Hah, sorry SAB 8, if that sounded a little dismissive. I just evaluate what I find, based on what is presented alongside of it.Your worth as human being, your character , your merit as a witness or any of that as it applies to the author I never mentioned. So please retract any statement to that effect.

Perhaps, some quietly fiesty middle-aged members? Or just oversensitive to being held accountable for the vague rantings of people that they are not personally affiliated with?

I'm not here to stoke egos. Just work out the Yowie thing. Chill.

When you've spent a week digitising case files from the 1970s, cutting blood and semen stains out of sleeping bags and nightwear and pulverising curette fluid for mDNA analysis, you will understand where I'm coming from I'm all for funny smells from the aged sprayings of little boys with overactive imaginations but I have more of a grounding in beating peoples heads to a pulp with toolboxes, and the like.


Perhaps... do not take links so personally? I didn't evaluate that on the basis of YOU, just the basis of *it*. If you have some problem with people evaluating facts on their own merits, don't present anecdotal evidence as such... it'l just upset ya

I'm not a particulary fiesty person at all. If I think something is bullshit, I forget about it, and if it interests me, I analyse it. Nuff said. Please, don't take it personally.

Writing style, for example. I never mentioned it.At all. So I find it interesting that you did?

Just that what that link presents is a series of vaguely interpreted accounts from someone that seems to think that 23 is still their childhood? With garbled refs to boot.

I haven't investigated it, no. Don't be silly now.

It's on the other side of the planet. My mum does live in FL. so I might go check it out sometime she keeps telling me she'll cover airfare but I feel bad taking advantage, hah.

If by fiesty you mean "refuses to apply just any old report towards making their own position seem stronger" than yeah...you may well be onto something. But don't, please don't, go confusing my approach with the rather more gung ho and argumentative approach seen from other recent members I don't think guns or training weekends will fix anything

Failing that... if having links analysed and dare I say...critically evaluated... makes you shitty, then just don't post em.

Sounds like the fuddled recollections of a kid with a dominant personality sculpting a few outputs from children around him.

Apologies if you happen to personally identify with the link but I did not mean my analysis as such... I just had a think about a link, and posted a reply

I COULD , I suppose, just say "yeah! thats what I saw! and it offered me a drink!" but where precisely would that get any of us?

Actually, I would suggest the "musky" scent is the result of a set of preteens, unused to what stale hum-urine smells like. But I wouldn't want to go upsetting anyone by daring to have my own thoughts, so let me know if that's alright

I did not determine anything based on the writing techniques of the author, so please retract that statement. I just formed a (lets face it, half arsed) opinion based upon what was written at the end of a link. I never mentioned styles,so can that... just ran the factoids made available to me thru my critical filters.

Don't forget that link is based on the accounts of a person that thinks a 23 year old is a kid. Uh..... what? Bit sad.

Now... most recent link... is that typo about urine "stripping" a tree" or is it meant to say "stripes of urine"?. Bit unsure, there. No urine, from any species, ever, could "strip" a tree. mammalian tissue simply cannot handle that level of pH extremes

I believe. Relax. I just evaluated some vague links from some obscure corner of the intertubes... surely is why you posted it in the first place?

I kinda figured this was a little more rational than the average internet circle-jerk?

Should I move over to reddit.com/r/circlejerk? Or can I just appraise that data in that link without you taking it personally, for some reason I , to be honest, have a hard time understanding?

It's like saying" go to bunnings, they have cheap whippersnippers!" - "Actually, I got one cheaper down the road" - "aw, you're saying I'm wrong"?

Can't see the issue, to tell you the truth. But I do appreciate the post.

Now, can we just be fwends or what?

Or have I crossed some ill defined boundary about applying ones critical faculties to presented data?

In that case... A yowie gave me a backrub and made me some spag on toast. It also sang the entire score from "HMS Pinafore" and got some stubborn stains out of my carpet. When I was 9.

Don't be calling BS, now

[I'm not here to stoke egos. Just work out the Yowie thing. Chill.

Damn it! I could really go for an ego stroking!

Perhaps... do not take links so personally? I didn't evaluate that on the basis of YOU, just the basis of *it*. If you have some problem with people evaluating facts on their own merits, don't present anecdotal evidence as such... it'l just upset ya..............
Failing that... if having links analysed and dare I say...critically evaluated... makes you shitty, then just don't post em.

Not taking personal offense just a little bemused by your casual dismissal of the case! You make some good points but many are ASSUMPTIONS and SPECULATION at best..... not really what I would call evaluating the facts or critical ANALYSIS(no offense).... The reason it provoked a response in me is because I see it happening in Oz all the time.... especially of late.... guys come in only knowing half the story and with minimal effort they completely dismiss a case often labelling it as a hoax... in the process forever tarnishing a persons reputation..... I know this case is an anonymous random from the US! Who cares? Right? But its more the process behind your conclusion that I find questionable! I`m happy with people labelling cases/people as hoaxes and frauds as long as they put in a detailed investigation..... including on the scene and one on one interviews with witnesses and other key individuals relating to the case. I assume you obviously have a background in forensics... that being the case you of all people should appreciate the process. How many cases have police solved solely from their computer??? I`m assuming each case would need evidence - be that testimony or physical evidence??? I`m not an expert but everyone knows that authorities need to be able to prove a case with convincing evidence.... I like to go along with the theory of innocent until proven guilty. Hence I am not yet willing to dismiss the report.... by the same token.... I am not willing to accept it with open arms. This, along with thousands of other cases goes in my 'unknown' category... pending further evidence/investigation! I`m happy to discuss, speculate and even make assumptions about a case (after all, why bother having a forum).... but I think its a bit dodgy to conclude a report as a hoax based on those same speculations! You get my drift???

[I haven't investigated it, no. Don't be silly now.

My point exactley!

Sounds like the fuddled recollections of a kid with a dominant personality sculpting a few outputs from children around him.......
Actually, I would suggest the "musky" scent is the result of a set of preteens, unused to what stale hum-urine smells like. But I wouldn't want to go upsetting anyone by daring to have my own thoughts, so let me know if that's alright

You bring up some interesting points but they are assumptions and speculation! Is this really enough to label a case a hoax??? My critical thinking facilities need a better analysis and/or evidence to convince me that its a hoax! The same goes for the report itself! Conclusion: I don`t have enough to go on either way but will keep it in the memory bank out of shear curiousity, and the off chance that a similar case should come along.

Apologies if you happen to personally identify with the link but I did not mean my analysis as such... I just had a think about a link, and posted a reply

No, definitely no personal identification with this case! I wasn`t in the habbit of pissing on rock cairns as a child! As I said it just seemed relevant to the discussion and I thought it may be of interest to other forum readers..... people can make up their own minds yay, nay or dunno (as you and I have)!

Writing style, for example. I never mentioned it.At all. So I find it interesting that you did?

Not because various loners around the interwebs are latent creative writers .

I thought you were suggesting this was just creative writing??? My bad??? I obviously misinterpreted???

Now... most recent link... is that typo about urine "stripping" a tree" or is it meant to say "stripes of urine"?. Bit unsure, there. No urine, from any species, ever, could "strip" a tree. mammalian tissue simply cannot handle that level of pH extremes

I agree probably a typo or journalistic exaggeration-misconception of the testimony - unless it was an alien from ALIEN.... you know... the whole acid blood thing... gotta love that movie!

I just evaluated some vague links from some obscure corner of the intertubes... surely is why you posted it in the first place?

Yer I was expecting some feedback, I`m just giving some feedback on your feedback! If you can`t handle the feedback from your feedback maybe you shouldn`t put up feedback in the first place just kidding... jokes!!!
At the end of the day its piss easy to label something as a hoax and dismiss it out of hand..... for example if I went psycho-cynic I could tag your hand prints as a heap of BS! Wow... handprints.... how hard would that be to fake!!! My four year old nepthew could have done a better job! Or my photo, WOW! pareidolia man !!!! WOW! I even see Rolf Harris in there too!
You see its pretty easy to dismiss something outright and make someone look like a nutter! I think the above approach is destructive and does not contribute to the field. I would rather take someones story on face value (again, innocent until proven guilty) and follow it up (or someone else follow it up) with a detailed investigation.... THAN MAKE A CONCLUSION! If I didn`t have access to a good follow-up than I would simply leave it in the undecided/unknown category! Just my personal approach! Each to their own I guess!

Now, can we just be fwends or what?

For sure, lets kiss and then maybe spoon.... thats not being gay just standard AYR initiation. Hey, I don`t make the rules!!!! JOKES! Yes, I`m upper-casing jokes so there is no confusion!

SAB 8 wrote: Yer I was expecting some feedback, I`m just giving some feedback on your feedback! If you can`t handle the feedback from your feedback maybe you shouldn`t put up feedback in the first place

Heh, I like it. Dunno about the spooning, I guess if you smell good I might consider it.

Probably pointless at this stage to point out saying "sounds like BS" and "is beyond a reasonable doubt, BS" are different things. Anything you have never experienced for yourself will always be open to interpretation - but I don't believe every saucer sighting is little grey buggers. I do believe in ET life, but then again I believe in creative nutters / attention seekers / the honestly mistaken, too.

I suppose my "unsure" basket is actually a double set of drawers - one for "unsure, but sounds pretty reasonable" and "unsure, kinda reeks". It protects me against winding up having to wrap my entire house in tinfoil, there's a lot of tales out there and it would be very easy to go around instantly taking anything as evidence for a certain POV.

I have read a few accounts now of "we wee'd, then a few days later it stunk". having cleaned the odd latrine, I'd call that inconclusive!

Anyone could and many probably already have called anything and everything I've posted anywhere, or related personally, or whatever, as bullshit. Can't be helped. Then again I am pretty careful never to go making up elaborate tales, or just-so stories knowing full well that almost anything can have entirely mundane causes I'd usually prefer that it did, at that!

I actually really enjoy that some of the world's more baffling things turn out to just be nature moving in mysterious ways. Some of it doesn't, hah, which is where it gets more interesting.

But relating specific fact(oids!) of some interest, with any available and relevant data I come across is quite far from "Miraculous Evidence of Spirit Activity!! Photos Inside! Here's my 'Tube on it!". I guess what I'm saying is it's interesting, if nothing else, that some will lump into the "unsure" basket as fast as others will put into the "yep! certain! definitely!" basket.

As I said, there is a very good chance that I just never noticed em (those prints) before. I can't see how I couldn't have but then, having processed one or two witness statements before, the human being is a fairly shabby device when it comes to details. Would not have even bothered whacking em up there but Deadpool had to go n ask. Serves em right Nah, jokes.

Definitely wouldn't take it too harshly if someone did doubt the...uh... story that I have actually been too lazy (and practical) to go cooking up. I know I would - holes you could do a youturn in a semi in, there.

I'd be a c**p hoaxer anyway. If I really cared, I'd remember to not leave in the doubtful details like mentioning the scores of kids that have lived here over the years I'd prefer it was some sprout mucking around than some discarnate, tortured soul playing silly buggers near my dodgy old wiring.

I might be able to invent some EVP, if you give us a few days?

I guess some people are more prone to creating a narrative - probably a handy tool to processing disparate information but I think "filling in the gaps" can cause a bit of trouble for researchers and collectors of weirdness, too. Armed robbers, for example are almost always reported as being at least 6 inches taller than they actually are. Which makes perfect sense, but, is perhaps not too helpful.

I'll pinch your CAPITALISING OF JOKES too, btw, I like that. Perhaps written in one of the hot pink font colours? Should do the trick haha.