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My first time research, Dean said cheak this spot so I did and found this foot print.
Its of my first vid.

Has any one seen a foot print like this and where abouts ?

Sorry the pic not very good but some one with photo-shop might get a better look at it.

I found a three toed print once similar to that but it didnt have a heel impression, it was just three large toes? still to this day I dont really know what made it. I found that in Noojee Victoria.

Its quite hard to see the impression of yours Mrx I have attached a outline of where I think it is tell me if I'm wrong.

Have you got a good digital camera other than your video camera? It might come in handy next time your out and about.

Yes I do have a good digital camera but the wife does not let me play with it.
I did the skech on that day and lost it but found today whooo hooo.

Hay chewy is that place on the western slops of VIC or inland ?

The yowie Mrx wrote:Hay chewy is that place on the western slops of VIC or inland ?

East of Melbourne http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&q= ... CBoQ8gEwAA

I have observed a lot of american reports in regards to three-toed prints (there are a fair few on the net), often with what appears to be traces of webbing. They seemed to be generally associated with swamp-like entities or another type of entity called the "Dog Man"... The swamp ones are not your steoreotypical Bigfoot (excluding the Skunkape in the Everglades) but some sort of aquatic variant??? Bizarre??? Perhaps! But I guess Australia does have legends of the Bunyip which to my understanding is a different type of creature than the yowie???

http://www.stangordonufo.com/features/m ... m%20pa.htm

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =482064562

http://thunderhawksbigfootblog.blogspot ... -part.html

Hey MrX - I found some a little similar a few years ago on the north side of Bris - pics are here: viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1058

The one in the grass (2nd pic) lines up with the tracks in the mud (1st pic) - print length was about 12 inches, toe to toe stride about 33 inches.

Cheer's sab8 for the sites a lot of info I did not know.

Forestguy thanx for the info on the north of Brisbane.

In my area you are lucky to get one print , the ground so hard its granite country.

SAB 8 wrote:I have observed a lot of american reports in regards to three-toed prints (there are a fair few on the net), often with what appears to be traces of webbing. They seemed to be generally associated with swamp-like entities or another type of entity called the "Dog Man"... The swamp ones are not your steoreotypical Bigfoot (excluding the Skunkape in the Everglades) but some sort of aquatic variant??? Bizarre??? Perhaps! But I guess Australia does have legends of the Bunyip which to my understanding is a different type of creature than the yowie???

http://www.stangordonufo.com/features/m ... m%20pa.htm

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =482064562

http://thunderhawksbigfootblog.blogspot ... -part.html

If America has Bigfoot & the Skunk Ape - there's a chance that we have two to three different species of hominid doing their thing. If you look at the standard pattern of hominids around the world, there's always more than one "type". America: Skunk Ape, Bigfoot/Sasquatch - Asia: Yeti, Almas/Almasti. So, why not here. There's plenty of swampy type areas in Australia.

But on that.. could just be our hairy friend had a mangled foot/toes? I know I don't make normal footprints. On my right foot, my middle toe was broken and didn't heal properly, so whenever i'm walking around barefoot, I leave a four toed footprint with my right foot. But from what I can make out of the pic + outline, it tells me that either our hairy friend had a broken toe/s or the toes were clumped together for whatever reason to make it look like a 3 toed print.

My take is a minority opinion subject to change .....

Polydactyly (too many fingers or toes) and Sindactyly (too few finger or toes) are congenital conditions, often part of a larger syndrome some of which can be very bad up to life threatening. The occurrance is about 1:500 for polydactyly in humans ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyl ... olydactyls ) that's pretty often when you think about it........ The causes for either condition can be from fetal stress or genetic either by mutation in the womb or a an inherited trait.

It appears that sindactyly can be a dominant inherited trait from a close gene pool as in the African Tribe, The Vadoma ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadoma ). This is an offshoot of sindactyly called ectrodactyly but ends up with the same result, missing digits.

This leads me to the unbased-except-by-reading-stuff-and-giant leap assumptions (AKA W.A.G.); one conclusion the numbers of toes in footprints and the number of fingers in handprints vary may be due to a diminishing gene pool diversity and/or fetal stress. Who can tell if this is regional or population wide since we don't have much "real evidence" to begin with. The point I'm getting to is, if there is a gene/chromosome challenge in any population related to lack of gene diversity, it's only a matter of time before it is bred out of existance.

This, to me, is another reason we need to preserve what information is out there concerning unknown large and small hairy folks. They may not be around that much longer.

On the other hand, as Deadpool points out, it could be they have mangled feet.

I don't pretend to know any answers, I'm still not certain of the questions!

cheers

This leads me to the unbased-except-by-reading-stuff-and-giant leap assumptions (AKA W.A.G.); one conclusion the numbers of toes in footprints and the number of fingers in handprints vary may be due to a diminishing gene pool diversity and/or fetal stress. Who can tell if this is regional or population wide since we don't have much "real evidence" to begin with. The point I'm getting to is, if there is a gene/chromosome challenge in any population related to lack of gene diversity, it's only a matter of time before it is bred out of existance.

This, to me, is another reason we need to preserve what information is out there concerning unknown large and small hairy folks. They may not be around that much longer.

Yer I think you bring up some excellent points there NoPolys... I remember the migration posting we had up a few months back where we briefly discussed that there would probably be some form of movement (at least from individuals) to prevent in-breeding. I have a sneaking suspicion that at least one Yowie species? (who knows how many varieties there are?) have quite similar behavioural characteristics to gorilla`s: That being the case the following gorilla characteristics may be relevant in regards to interbreeding:

# In the wild, when males mature they are often driven out of their family group to find their own females and start their own groups. Sometimes bachelor groups are formed, where a group of adult male gorillas will stay together for several months or longer.

# In the wild, mature females will often be lured away from their family group by one of these wandering bachelor gorillas, and start their own group and family. This is nature’s way of avoiding inbreeding, which could occur if a youngster stayed in their family group after reaching sexual maturity.

This is pure speculation, but I wonder if these species have been forced into smaller pockets due to the enroachment of humans since the arrival of Europeans into Australia.... That being the case, accompanied by restrictions to movement.... one would assume that this would promote the possibility of increased interbreeding and therefore increased gentic mutations. Another factor to consider is possible mutations brought about through exposure to chemicals such as pesticides?

Another thing I think is of great importance is the protection of forestry on the Great Dividing Range..... I`m of the opinion that the bulk populations of these creatures are situated on the ranges stretching along the east coast of Australia. Should these stretches of forestry become too heavily deforestered this could cut off travel routes up and down the range thereby further isolating populations.... again this would lead to in-breeding amongst isolated populations... As you mentioned NoPolys this is all speculation.... but I guess that is the purpose of the forums. Theories are formed based on certain material presented (as in this case three-toed footprint) and then we can speculate, expand-on or debate certain theories or speculation....

I just cut and pasted this following bit of information which would support the possible theory you presented NoPolys.
Ref: Mountain Gorilla Conservation Fund.
http://www.saveagorilla.org/60-Questions.html

Question 2. What is the greatest current threat to the Mountain Gorilla?

Less than 650 mountain gorillas currently exist. Many factors have contributed to their endangered status, including habitat loss, poaching, and snares meant for small game. Recently, mountain gorillas have also become the victims of neighboring human warfare.

An additional concern facing mountain gorillas is the possibility of declining genetic diversity. Mountain gorillas reproduce slowly: Females do not reach sexual maturity until their tenth year and reproduce only once every four to eight years, and males are not sexually active until they are fifteen. Further, only 50 percent of gorilla young survive their first year. As a result of their dwindling gene pool, mountain gorillas are faced with the common genetic problems that result from inbreeding. The greatest problem that mountain gorillas currently face, however, is human encroachment on their habitat.

One notable foot mutation (two toes) was noted in a human family in Zimbabwe as a result of interbreeding. Interestingly, it was only the males which were affected by the mutation:
http://archive.samj.org.za/1984%20VOL%2 ... Farrel.pdf

Limb malformation study on primates:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 9/abstract

That scares me. Yowies dying out. We can't really start a "save the yowie" campaign due to no.. well, hardcore solid evidence. But, the deforestation and, well, hominids being basically giant apes would make this deformity possible if inbreeding occurred due to a decrease in habitat.

To be honest, the sooner someone finds genuine evidence to lead that they are out there (which, in various ways we know they do, but we're a small minority) - the better it will be for them to continue to survive and for everyone else to realize that, well "ha ha, we were right all along!".

You guys are making me think now. Didn't get much sleep last night.


May be two toes as one ?

The yowie Mrx wrote:May be two toes as one ?

Could be Mrx could be that its missing a toe as well shown here, which would make it as having normal 5 toes

Cheer's chewy

I will have to keep looking for more print to work this one out.

Great input guys!!

I don't like to be the bad news person, but it is a thought that has been tumbling around for awhile in my head. The interesting feature we have is the same information happening in some degree across the whole reportage front, US bigfoot, Yeti, Almasti etc. I wouldn't put too much weight to it, this is only an opinion based on reading and looking at various prints.

Having put it out there, also remember that the equine family went through a similar mutation at some point (depending upon your personal belief system) and has continued to be a successful and adaptive bunch of grass munchers......

Sab,
Finger and toe webbing is often viewed as a "limited sindactyly" condition.... for what that is worth.

I agree that there could be a migration feature involved, but...... well.... in my eyes, it would regional in nature, not large from what I see on maps and hear from what people report. The ranges our friends already cover, based on the time between reported incidents and a look at the local topography, indicate to me (again, nothing concrete, just impressions from former experience) single unattached wandering males are the ones most often contacted. These would also be the ones who would react most strongly to a perceived territory intrusion. A familial based male (like fatfoot as an example if in fact (s)he was male) would have a territory large enough to support the needs of his grouping and be less aggressive in response to the territory intrusion (I think of it as comfortable enough in the home territory to want to play). They also would not be as likely to migrate unless there was an external stress place on the grouping. All of this is assumptive, but kinda sorta supported by reportage as I understand it. So the movement concept gets muddied up easily, due to the lack of information.

Which brings me to asking if there has been in the past.... or interest in a future... database that logs frquency and location of contacts. Before ya snort too loudly this has been used in Australia for forecasting big felids territory and sightings. My understanding is the felid database is tightly controlled by a Victorian group to the point it may be more a myth than reality. The concept is sound, but labor intensive...... thoughts or reactions ?

Mike, you will know more about the Big Cat database than I is there anything you can add?

MrX and Chewy,
If there were two toes squished together to look like a single toe.... either from being attached or the way the footprint is laid down, the missing toe could be a case of non contact.... try it barefooted and put a small stone or a sock lumped funny and step on it. The stone replicating a rock, the sock differences in the soil. You will be amazed at all the different ways your foot bends and touches the floor (this can be exaggerated by the "Midtarsal break" Mr Muldrum and others have speculated). I can't tell from the picture if there is a ending ridge in the print to indicate a lacking digit. Not to say it's a bad picture Mr X.... you have what you have when you come across these things.
This is the reason when serious casters cast footprints, they attempt to reconstruct the step and stride, then cast at least two of the same side footprint and one of the opposite footprints in a continuing stride. It gets complicated when you start looking at step, stride and gait. Not to mention the extra supplies you carry to make casts!!

As before, I'm not saying any of the above is more than speculation let alone an answer. I'm still trying to figure out the questions....

(edited for spelling and clairity)

cheers

Actually, thats a good point.. over the years, how many encounters featured Yowies with, well.. boobs? If you did enough homework + the sightings of male Yowies around the area, I think you'd find a "migratory" pattern of some kind. If you can give me/show me enough reports over the last say, 20 years, I could input the data into a spreadsheet and make it show how many sightings per month in a region/whether it was male or female, etc etc.

Kind of like an unspoken advert: "9ft Hairy Male seeks equally tall & hairy Female for mating and possibly terrorizing the neighborhood".

Deadpool !!!!!!!

It's a fair point.... but take a look again at the Patty clips and tell me that in the shock of the moment during an encounter, ya'll are gonna have the presence of mind to pick out a pair of ...... those.... I'm not certain I would be able to do that. Until recently, I had always considered Patty male, with booty.

The criteria would have to be constructed in a way to minimize the standard deviation (that's the screw up factor in real english) so there could be a way to differentiate. We would have to set up fields of some type to parse out the factors...... set up a common central file location (on a local or regional level perhaps) to keep from double reporting.... and wade into it. Like I mentioned before, lots of work. I think, however, doing the backroom numbers crunching would increase the sighting odds and from there increase odds for other information.

Additionally, the database needs to also include unseen activity, like footprint, trail making/marking to gauge movement if possible, tracking activity like Tony gets happening otften to him, etc etc.....

At that point.. we may be able to formulate better questions to find the answers.

Deadpool.... since ya brought it up..... heheheheh......

I had to add the boobs thing in for a

But on a more serious note i'm more than willing to start up a database of some kind, even if its just recent sightings at first, and as we go further along, add in more factors as you said; footprints, markers, hot-spots, etc. But for starters I think it'd be good just to have a sightings & where they were reference to look upon. Further down the track, if another sighting is reported in the same area as one before, we put it in there. So it'd be obvious if theres more sighting in one area it'd be either a game trail they use, around where they live/shelter or a place they like to go for food.

On the Patty film, I've watched several times because apparently theres a second Bigfoot in the footage to the upper left hand side. But you can clearly see its.. well, female. I mean, hell, look at my sig.

OTT:
Go to http://www.pattersonfilm.com and click on the "is this bigfoot?" link. Looks definatly photoshopped to me (copy/paste/smudge effect, then some blurring around the edges to make it look more "real"), but make your own minds up about that one.

deadpool;

MK Davis(?) has invested a significant amout of time in the Patty film(s). Some of the stuff looks very interesting, some of his conclusions seem like a big stretch. He has also done work on the JFK asassination that is most interesting.

I like the data base idea, up here in DarwinLand, i use a satelite picture printed then mark the spots of interest or anecdotal reports and as time rolls on i see trends either in location or time of year etc...it would be nice for spreadsheet set up, so you can then spit out reports based on location...month.. weather etc

I'm going to be working on it once I can get as many details as possible. I'm waiting 'til Dean gets back so I can get more.. input? That or reports/sightings. I'm going to focus on S.E Qld for the time being as, well, its around my area, but the more I get used to everything I'll switch it up and add sightings from NSW, etc.

Great find on the foot print mate...We have seen prints closly matching them BUT not to that Quality that you have Mrx....out at Conimbla a couple of years ago...But well done my Freind

Thanx Rickrocket !

It is good to no about Conimbla.
I hope you do well researching tonight in the cold and wind, I will see you on youtube tomorrow.

I'm new here so I dont want to get a bad name for myself. I can see a bit of a depression, a few sticks and leaves and a Thomas Cook heel. Maybe you just had to be there at the time???. I don't want to dis credit you cause the way you are holding that cod means you are from the central west/southern west, as I am. I would jump at every oppertunity to go looking with you. The only thing that worries me is that everyone that has replied has seen somthing in the photo... Maybe the emperors new clothes?? Sorry if I offend anyone but it's healthy to be sceptical is'nt it???

Wellcom Pixieb to the AYR sit.
Yes it is a bad pic , it from a old video cam. The ground is hard all the time and rain don't help, you are lucky to get a print.
I just found a report on the net of a yowie sighting (1844) in my research area.
If you are into yowie research and you do not live to far away just PM me.


But the fishing spots are off the list .

YEP.. What does 1844 mean and where are you??. I'm in Yenda NSW. I wish this site had a chat window!!??.

I just cent you a PM Pixieb .The area where you are, is there any yowie reports

Cheer's Mr X

Some new foot prints on my youtube.
I took the 4x4 down a fire trail and then walk 10km up and down cliffs. Found what looks like a young yowie footprints , that walked over some sand.About 50 m away a bigger footprint that looks wird.

Hilarious how you boys still get all silly when talking about breasts!

It's like being back at school... : )