Electromagnetic fields...

[JOURNEYMAN]

G'day Guys,

Thought I'd throw this one out there, apologies if you've already discussed the merits or otherwise of this style of clothing (and yes am probably opening a big can of worms here, anti-scent gear and the plethora of hunting gear available nowadays)...

http://www.eders.com/products/1-hecs-el ... it-g1.html

Cheers,

Rob.

[Mike Williams]

Hi Rob..Interesting suit..how does it help us .."catch" a yowie on video.

Mike

[David Brenton]

G'day Guys,

Thought I'd throw this one out there, apologies if you've already discussed the merits or otherwise of this style of clothing (and yes am probably opening a big can of worms here, anti-scent gear and the plethora of hunting gear available nowadays)...

http://www.eders.com/products/1-hecs-el ... it-g1.html

Cheers,

Rob.

Howdy rob.
Save your money., unless you intend bowhunting sharks.

[Dean Harrison]

I'm quite interested to hear Robs Theory on the suit?

DMH

[Mike Williams]

Save your money., unless you intend bowhunting sharks.

I think David is right on the money here..which land based animals can pick up "Electromagnetic Energy" anyway...?

[sealo]

I was also interested and apparently Deer for starters, bit of a read here about it,

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Do+deer+h ... 0234715878

[JOURNEYMAN]

G'day Guys,

I'm keen to broaden thoughts regarding how to go about catching the elusive proof of our Yowie friend, thats all...

...The reason why I mentioned electro-magnetic fields and the above link to the suit was a bit of a curio, I came across this whilst doing a bit of net surfing the other week.

I havent hunted for many years now, actually found it quite surprising that mainstream (albeit US) hunting is starting to become so sophisticated with their equipment nowadays. Lets face it, many years ago the hunting fraternity used to frown on scent blockers and ghillie type camo suits as over the top, now these items are pretty common amongst dedicated hunters.

Mike, let me answer some of the questions put forward...

...What land based animal can "sense" electro-magnetic fields? (thank you for the shark reference too, had forgotten about that one!).

Obviously some, and no I havent really looked into it, but I'm pretty sure that I could dig some info up of the net (references at least). Please understand, I'm not putting myself up as an advocate for this, just wanting to create discussion and reflection on factors surrounding the successful "capture" of our hairy buddy on film.

Mike, this leads me in on the next question you raised, its usefulness in capturing a Yowie on video?

...Well, none I expect unless you are holding the camera or cut it up to cover trailcams etc. A video camera is a device that would emit electro-magnetic radiation, wouldn't it?

You guys are using some brilliant equipment, all good gear, it stuffs me as to why it hasn't "caught" a Yowie yet.

Electro-magnetic radiation? Scent residues?

Not judging in any way whatsoever, its just that when I look at what is required to get a good result I realize that the target of the researchers attentions has intelligence (probably of an order above most mammals), is adept at remaining unseen in his chosen environment (perhaps maybe a little "thrust" on him by mankind but I wont get into that). When you also throw in that his species has more than likely been hunted to the brink of extinction by the first Australians, themselves brilliant survivalists and hunters.

Croppers mention of the theory on the "regressive" gene in a species that has been hunted to the point of extinction, sometimes the weak and timid do survive? I think its valid anyway....

...Scent...

This (or lack of) is really important...

Its amazing how animals (including man to a limited degree) can pick up on different scents... especially those living in an area often hunted hunted or used by man.

Electromagnetic radiation AND PVC stink coming off that game camera tacked onto the tree trunk...

I can remember going to Binna Burra one-time in the early '90's for assignment research for college. I think that Cropper guy mentions Binna Burra, apparently he spent some time there as a Ranger...

Anyway one thing that struck me as odd (besides 12 foot high security fences around the camping area and National Parks workers who looked like they'd seen a ghost out re-concreting signs that "hoons" had ripped out of the ground) was a junction in the track which was quite a walk from Binna Burra.

I took a leak there as I'm certain many people had over the years... The area looked as if someone had put a slasher into it, the vegetation had taken a hell of a beating.

It wouldve taken a hell of a lot of mis-placed hiking boots to get it like that me thinks

Anyway, sorry for the waffle, am very interested in this subject, believed in the Yowie waaaay before the Cadbury kind came out, the old Sydney newspaper reports and Murray folklaw got me hooked as a boy....

Cheers,

Rob.

[AL Pitman]

Hey there Journeyman

Don't take it all to heart old son some of the guys on the site love a little stab at a bit of humor every now and again , when you simlify the basic uses for the suit / material in our context such as a shielding element for cameras and sound gear ect: it is easier to grasp the whole picture it certainly would be worth a try at the very least .

I am sure with a little checking about you would be able to locate a supplier for the material alone it would work out way more economical than cutting up a perfectly good suit especialy if it could shield you from a predator like ex mother in law , hey there's that humor thing again .

keep on laughing dood !



IF WE DO NOT LOOK WE WILL NOT SEE !!!! !!!!

[JOURNEYMAN]

G'day Al,

No worries mate, just spieling is all...

From what I've seen on this site, good footage will come sooner rather than later!

...It would be good to grease the wheel a bit though and talk a bit aout variables that may affect the result.

I dont envy the efforts you guys have gone to in capturing this elusive critter on video, you traverse the worst c**p country there is (at night too mostly), lots of effort.

And yes I expect that I'll learn a bit over time, no doubt that Yowie at Cooyar will wonder why that mincing poof with the Joop on insists on waking him up during his midday nap (kinda dont get the urge to get out there and get stinking sweaty like I used to once upon a time!).

Cheers,

Rob.

[topender]

Well i totally agree with him.................only because he has the same taste in motorbikes as me..

[Rusty2]

Hey JOURNEYMAN , it wouldn't surprise me at all if "they" have the ability to hear ultrasonic noise , (cameras) something we cannot . For a creature like our hairy friend that has survived maybe thousands of years by using sight , hearing and smell to survive , their senses would be tuned way above ours because "we" only need them for basic needs . I reckon our hearing would be a muffled blur compared to theirs .

Just a thought .......Rusty2.......

[Mike Williams]

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I was also interested and apparently Deer for starters, bit of a read here about it,
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Do+deer+h ... 0234715878

Damn you Sealo.. I think I will have a slice of pie..

[Mike Williams]

Hi Rob

A video camera is a device that would emit electro-magnetic radiation, wouldn't it?

Yes..as soon as a human switches it on it does..but where are the great video sequences of the big fellas.. from any country...
Or..back to game cameras..
The "shield" lowers humans emf..and the deer dont react as much..fair enough..
Yet deer can be photographed with game cameras..ergo...
And, this leads us to another interesting "problem"...all other species of known/accepted land animals cam be photographed with gam cams..but not sasquatch/yowies etc..
So....people might try and argue,,"that means they(sasquatch/yowies/yeti) can possibly detect the emf"
It sounds plausible..!
Which leaves us with an "animal" that shares the same rough morphology all over the globe..that cannot be be photographed with gam cameras..
Houston..we have a problem..

You guys are using some brilliant equipment, all good gear, it stuffs me as to why it hasn't "caught" a Yowie yet.

Yes, we have failed.... like every other country on earth has failed to "capture" their bipedal beasties....
But..we have a variety of gam cameras..some nice still/video cameras etc..thats about it..
Our American "brothers" have thermal cams which we lease sometimes here..but $$$ kill us...in actual fact..we have some very interesting places to "work" in but $$$$ limits all our actions..there is more money in being a sceptic..the sceptics here have supporters like dick smith etc and get bequeathed estates..I remember reading how a few years ago some guy from qld gave the australian sceptics over 1 million..wow..I was once give about 6 rolls of ired film from Kodak.. ..and a guy rang up and offered to get his dad to sponsor us with some decent night viewing equpment...he was ringing back..about 2 years ago..
Thats it..!

Electro-magnetic radiation? Scent residues?

Possibly more complicated than that..who knows..

Not judging in any way whatsoever, its just that when I look at what is required to get a good result I realize that the target of the researchers attentions has intelligence (probably of an order above most mammals), is adept at remaining unseen in his chosen environment (perhaps maybe a little "thrust" on him by mankind but I wont get into that).

The problem is we tend to associate intelligence with modifying the enviroment..tool making/housing/vehicles/canoes..anything.....there is %$#@ evidence of any form of manipulation of the enviroment to any sophisticated degree by any large bipedal beasties on any continent they are reported on...I dont call bending over shrubs and what looks like making large rat nests..as being indicative of intelligence..)which sounds very gorilla like)
I am not saying they are not intelligent..but being good at not been caught..and nothing else..aint much to run with..

When you also throw in that his species has more than likely been hunted to the brink of extinction by the first Australians, themselves brilliant survivalists and hunters.

Interesting idea, but we have no idea about anything like this..on any continent on earth where these creatures are seen..

Electromagnetic radiation AND PVC stink coming off that game camera tacked onto the tree trunk...

Yes they do..but that does not explain the inability of any hunter to kill/capture/find one of these things in the last 500? years on multiple continents...how many hundreds of millions ?? of hunter man hours would that be.?

Anyway, sorry for the waffle,

Its not waffle Rob..you raised so very good points...!!

Mike

[Dean Harrison]

Interesting theories Rob. Keep them coming - like your thoughts.

I believe I.R. is the issue rather then EMF, however that is myself speaking without full knowledge on the EMF dynamics.

A nocturnal eyeball has a much larger retina area and many more rods and cones required to pick up available light and funnel it to the retina in order to provide visual clarity in dim light.

Without question all forms of Hominids will have this trait for one simple reason: ALL Primates have this trait. Except we Humans,...of course.

We are the only ones in the primate line to not have it. And why would we have given it up? Lack of night vision and less sensitive eyes to sunlight.

Large Brow ridges..... ALL primates have large, heavy, overhanging brow ridges. We're the only ones without them. Why?

Well, if you have nocturnal vision, that same abundance of rods and cones and retina are in your eyes in the daylight, too, and direct sunlight in them will be even more painful and injurious than it is to humans. So what can you do?

You build the equivalent of a baseball cap brim on your own head, and you sink the eyes themselves a bit back into the sockets. This gives you the protection you need on a bright sunny day.

Some animal nocturnal eye sight seems to pick up on passive I.R.

Simple experiment. Take you remote control from your TV/DVD. Put you Video Cam on Night Vision and look at the bulb at the end of the remote as you press the buttons.


DMH

[JOURNEYMAN]

...But someone did in fact KILL one!!!

Two from memory, two Murrays bailed up a little one and dispatched it near the settlement of Sydney in the late 1700's/1800's.... Its a commonly read newspaper report, the name and date is probably available here on this site...

Its a piece of historical evidence, why would the reporter of the time make this up?

Man, the Euros thought we were making stuff up anyway with the likes of the Platypus coming to light over here

Although I havent ever got close to a Yowie, I'm sure they do (note not "did") exist.

Murray folklore, shreds of historical evidence, that will suffice for me.

Anyway, I suppose I will have to get my ass into gear and start putting my beliefs into practice!

And guys, thanks for accepting me on the forum, its bloody good to COME OUT OF THE CLOSET!!!

Cheers,

Rob

[Buck]

Hi Journeyman thanks for the thread. This is probably worth a look from the IR side, a thermal camoflage suit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0ggSL8CkU

Might have to wear two, the EMF and the Thermal.

Cheers Buck

[topender]

To All

I think that we still do not give the big fella the credit they deserve, everything i read ( and thats a lot ) tell s me that they are miles ahead of us with hearing, vision, smell and observation skills, people who try to " hide " cameras, microphones get caught out everytime...i just feel that their abilities are merely highly highly tuned to changes in the envoiroment and places they may visit, even down to a secreted microphone or small camera

[David Brenton]

Interesting theories Rob. Keep them coming - like your thoughts.

I believe I.R. is the issue rather then EMF, however that is myself speaking without full knowledge on the EMF dynamics.

A nocturnal eyeball has a much larger retina area and many more rods and cones required to pick up available light and funnel it to the retina in order to provide visual clarity in dim light.

Without question all forms of Hominids will have this trait for one simple reason: ALL Primates have this trait. Except we Humans,...of course.

We are the only ones in the primate line to not have it. And why would we have given it up? Lack of night vision and less sensitive eyes to sunlight.

Indeed, large eyes are an obvious night vision advantage. Evolution in action. Though night evolved eyes often seem disproportionate. the eyes of the great apes seem of similar proportion to ours, and they have colour vision. Good night vision comes at the cost of cones. less cones, more rods.


One night vision feature not shared by homo sapiens with many animals, diurnal and nocturnal, is the tapetum lucidium.
this is an adaptation that greatly increases night vision, and is responsible for eye shine.

Lemurs and lorises (Strepsirrhini, to be taxonomical) have a tapetum lucidum, whereas humans and other primates of the suborder Haplorrhini do not.

Large Brow ridges..... ALL primates have large, heavy, overhanging brow ridges. We're the only ones without them. Why?

We do, just not so pronounced any more. They have been receding due to various evolutionary pressures.
They were an adaptation related to the musculature of chewing.
as the volume of the brain increased, and diet changed, weaker supraorbital ridges were not selected against.

Some animal nocturnal eye sight seems to pick up on passive I.R.

Some fish, bats, insects and reptiles can pick up infra red. They don't "see" it as such, but sense it with specialized organs.

[Dean Harrison]

Great input David. It's certainly an issue. Thanks for adding that.

Reinstalls the emphasis we have always maintained on the importance of a bright light at night for protection. Sensitive eyes such as theirs really can't cope with it.

DMH

[NoPolys]

I agree with Dean, bright light at night is good thinking. I know when I get hit with fairly low wattage lights when I'm used to the dark it hurts!! Think of what happens when it's a bright focused light.

To move a bit along in the human night vision line..... humans actually have pretty good night vision. Cleary not the best, but our biggest problem is we like to sit around campfires... read a book... see each other's face, etc. What happens is, we lose our night vision acuity when we do these things. Instead, if you wear quality sunglasses from forenoon on until well after dusk, not have any external lighting around you, look slightly to the side of the object you want to see, you will find (excluding medical conditions) that your vision is good enough to move around, albeit, carefully.

An interesting aside is a recent study that indicated while owls have much better night vision, human test subjects seem to have a combination of luminence acuity and neural speed to be competative with the owl's vision ( http://www.journalofvision.org/content/ ... l.pdf+html ). I'm not certain what this really means except that if we modify what we do a bit, we may see better at night.

Another site I recently came across also indicates in a very unscientific way (but it makes logical sense ..... kinda) that humans have a very large amount of information hitting the brain for processing ( that neural speed and processing stuff ) which puts us perhaps even closer to an equal footing with our night time friends
( http://www.clarkvision.com/articles/eye-resolution.html ). The author reckons the human eye is roughly equivalent to a 576 MP camera....... that's a LOT of input. Again, not so certain where that leads, but it is certainly food for thought on how we can use what we have to get where we want to go.

All of this said, I'm as quiet in the dark as a dog that just licked a hot frying pan........ and almost as blind .

I'm in the last stages of assembly and testing yet another "remote photo system" that comes from bits and pieces available from Jaycar here in Australia.... the outlay for the system is cheaper than a lot of the game cameras on the market, and is video based for a couple of reasons. If there is interest, in a home grown system like this, I'm happy to share all the info (esp. the night time efficiency and costs) with anyone who is interested.

cheers

[David Brenton]

Great input David. It's certainly an issue. Thanks for adding that.

Reinstalls the emphasis we have always maintained on the importance of a bright light at night for protection. Sensitive eyes such as theirs really can't cope with it.

DMH

The reported eyshine in yowie encounters is a bit problematic taxinomically.
All the great ape species lack a tapetum lucidium in the eye.
From what I understand, the yowie, yeti et al are said to be closely related to humans. It would likely follow that they would also lack that feature. The closest relative to the great apes that has a tapetum lucidium is quite removed, evolutionarily speaking.
Just a thought.

I myself have been baffled by eyeshine a couple of times. Both times I had what looked like a pair of eyes in the spotlight (they were, but not what I thought) about 2 meters of the ground some distance off. On closer examination it turned out to be an owl significantly lower than 2 meters. Night time can play buggery on your perspective!

[Jim Hocking]

Having spent a fair part of my life at sea. Night vision is maintained by keeping one eye closed, using the other to operate the vessels Radar and other navigational aids. Operating using red light to maintain operational vision. Your closed eye is then available to observe features, that would be otherwise unobservable. It takes roughly 7 minutes for an eye that has been exposed to light, to adjust to regain seeing in the dark, i.e. torch flash, cigarette lighter, camera flash etcetera.
A small amount of people that have interacted with Yowie. I can see no benefit to disclosing the location or producing evidence that they exist. It would only cause distress to all involved.
Here and around the world these beings are sheltered by most people that have had more than a brief encounter.
Even the AYR group do not continue research in proven locations mentioned on this site, so either the site's shown in numerous Video's are Dead for them to need to relocate away from the area without completing the investigation

[mad_elaine]

That's right Dash! The same reason why pirates wore eye patches - not because they had lost eyes, more because if they kept one eye in the dark, then swapped the patch to the other eye in low light, their vision was much clearer - close to excellent night vision. Might be worth a try? Stuffs up depth perception though making our friends harder to accurately spot, wherever they arrrrrgh!
sorry I couldn't resist.