Yowiehunters Forum

This is my view only. At SIR, we celebrate diversity. I have 12 investigators and they can think or do what they want. That includes religion. It is encouraged. This is the view of Michael Johnson of Parker, Colorado only. I consider myself Christian and go to church at SE Christian Church in Parker, Colorado. I love my pastor Phillip Vaughn. He rocks. My wife goes to church with me on Sunday, she goes on Sunday night, and Tuesday and is very religious and teaches. Obviously, we don't always agree on things, thats natural. She is afraid to meet the Sasquatches in the places I frequent because of the stories of my childrens encounters, who are much more adventurous than she is. Plus, the fear can be very real.

The Bible is the Lords words about his relationship with mankind. It is NOT the Sasquatches story. They have their own. They beleive in one creator like we do I have been told. I have been told this by many different Native Americans, who call the Sasquatches their brothers. I see the signs in the woods. Go to my website to www.sasquatchinvestigations.org to research oddities under the research tab and look at photo 5. I found that after hearing chanting around it in the woods with my son and a fellow investigator at one of my sights on the summer equinox. I would have never found it had they not directed me to it. It grew that way with a little help. It could not have been done by the native americans, who left the area 150 years ago. The tree is not that old. The Utes did not practice christianity at that time anyway. This cross tells me allot. It gives me peace, hope and comfort. Is it possible another race of beings on our planet beleive in the same great creator I do? The answer is a profound YES! My God wants you to evolve as a person mentally, spiritually, and physically. He wants a better you. This topic does not bring me controversy. Men bring controversy. Your relationship with the lord should not either.

The lord never intended to box anyone in. Men box people in. Many don't give him the glory he is do. One race in a huge universe could not have been his plan. To many get stuck on evolution. Don't. I am not. If an Alien lands tommorrow or a Sasquatch walks out of the woods, do you have to give up all your beliefs. No, thats dumb and not what he wants. You celebrate their creation by him as well and celebrate that God is bigger and better than you are giving him credit for. Just look at the Universe he created and all the possibilities. Don't sell your God short, I don't and you shouldn't either...Sincerely, Michael L Johnson

I figured I might get this kind of response. It's what I expected.

The argument for Science. Science is important as well. I love science. All or most of the shows I watch are Science related. I graduated from college in Business, but the bulk of my electives were Science, history or astronomy related. All which I love. Science is important in proving they exist, but during the quest or the chase of that I went passed science. When you witness personally their humanity, it changes you. The science becomes less important and you become obsessed more with your next experience and less worried about proof. All I know who have been doing this awhile in the US, eventually come to this cross road, except if greed is your primary motivator. Which sadly is prevalent in the Bigfoot world.

Now I worry about if one of my spots will be over run. Or one will get shoot or not show up anymore. I strive for the experience and not the evidence so much. I assure you, in the beginning, I was just like everyone else. Thats easy when you think its an animal, but its not.

I am helping in assisting others with proof anyway because we have so much. Two scientists in the US I have supplied hair samples. I have asked to participate in a UK study as well. One fact I am confident in is the reality of the Mid Tarsal break. It is a reality and a fact in my mind. I have been fortunate in being blessed with so much. Ironically, the less I try now, the more they give me. The yowie is different from the sasquatch, he is more aggressive, but his world is changing more rapidly than the sasqjuatch. The sasquatch has adapted over time to humans. Maybe in the beginning, the sasquatch probably fought the change here more vehemently as well in the US. This could be the difference. I do not know, but I am here to offer you a different perspective to try. It has worked well for me here.

mlj1mlj1 wrote:I figured I might get this kind of response. It's what I expected.

What kind of response would you prefer, assuming that you are disappointed to not have received any in 24 hours?

Good point....to each his own....

mlj1mlj1 wrote:Good point....to each his own....

Prefer to work in the here and now with physical evidence. I leave the rest to the armchair philosophers.

The only allowance I concede is that I think all critters can discern our intentions towards them to some extent, so I treat them all with respect. You get more from a dog or a horse with kindness and patience than by losing your cool. Those two can read us well, so why not the big hairy fellows?

Nicely put Andrew, well said...There is allot more to them than they are given credit for and yet they still elude us to this day on the very ground we live...There is intelligence and much more behind their eyes.

Hi just thought I would say a friend off mine pointed out that possibly what we call yowie could be the decendents of Esau.
Have a read of the Bible on The Birth of Esau and Jacob.Really makes you wonder......

Cheers

I was just in Utah, which is home to many Mormons. They asked allot of questions. Some thought son of Cain, which I found interesting. I listen to all sides all the time. What I don't want is a good christian man to question his faith when he sees one and many do. It is so unnec essary. By the way, we found a cross in the bark lof a tree. I have never seen that before. I don't know how it was formed either, but there was Sasquatch tracks right through the area. It will be posted soon.

Absolutely no point to any of this at all

No mention of religion anywhere and it was your opening line

This is nowhere near the kind of place youd bring it up

Clear to see what you wanna do

PAF wrote:Absolutely no point to any of this at all

No mention of religion anywhere and it was your opening line

This is nowhere near the kind of place youd bring it up

Clear to see what you wanna do

Actually, for those that feel they need to, this is the place to bring it up.
You don't have to agree with those who profess faith. I certainly don't share their need for belief,
and yet I don't feel the need to attack anyone for expressing their beliefs in the appropriate threads.
This section was created for the very purpose of posting about such matters.

I have no agenda as you might suspect Melbourne, I put myself out there willingly. I seek the truth and where ever it takes me. I will not even try to pursuade you to my way of thinking. My interactions with Sasquatches have given me a broader perspective of things. Your yourself have to find your own way. I have found mine and I am most comfortable on the path I am on with a few tweaks here and there. I hope your are as well...

The biggest point I was trying to make is why would a Sasquatch care about a cross? It stunned me probably more than you. I was there.. I haven't figured it all out, no one has, but I can speculate on it. It must be worth noting and it probably is significant on many levels. One thing for sure, if you really knew me, you would know there is room for much improvement. My wife will attest to that.

mlj1mlj1 wrote:I was just in Utah, which is home to many Mormons. They asked allot of questions. Some thought son of Cain, which I found interesting. I listen to all sides all the time. What I don't want is a good christian man to question his faith when he sees one and many do. It is so unnec essary. By the way, we found a cross in the bark lof a tree. I have never seen that before. I don't know how it was formed either, but there was Sasquatch tracks right through the area. It will be posted soon.

I reckon the cross doesn't have anything to do with christianity. Why wouldn't a good christian man question his faith? Is he a robot?

mlj1mlj1 wrote:The biggest point I was trying to make is why would a Sasquatch care about a cross? It stunned me probably more than you. I was there.. I haven't figured it all out, no one has, but I can speculate on it. It must be worth noting and it probably is significant on many levels. One thing for sure, if you really knew me, you would know there is room for much improvement. My wife will attest to that.

How many combinations can you come up with using 2 sticks, a chimp could accidentally put them in a cross position

Both crosses are not that simple at all. One is in the bark itself and the other grew in that way in the center circle of a pine tree perfectly. Its more complicated than that. If you can find one like that in Australian forest let me know. I will bet you will not. I have looked at so many pines over the years, millions probably, this is the one and only. Right in the middle of sacred forest people lands per the Ute Indians. Go look at our website under Oddities...

FM80, if you see see something that appears evolutionary, it wouldn't be a problem for you? The Bible doesn't do a good job of explaining the existence of a second set of beings if I recall. My wife and I discuss this all the time... Its not a problem for me because I have explained that above, but for some it is problematic ....Just like if an Alien landed in Melbourne tommorrow. Allot of folks would freak, many due to their beliefs. I just wouldn't....Its real, I desl with it at every free conference I speak at to some degree.

I don't really want to start a bible or belief bashing thread, but my view is that there because there is so much garbage (infanticide, genocide, homophobia, murder, tyranny) in the bible I find it hard to understand why people still look to it for knowledge or wisdom or any other reason.

If people can cherry pick the bits they like or say that "what it really means is..." or "it's not meant to be taken literally" then how can any of it be taken seriously? If it's the word of god (written long after Jesus by god knows who) mere modern day mortals should not be able to critique it or pick holes in just about everything in it.

Sometimes I wonder if one night all knowledge (memory and written) of Christianity was lost, would it ever be again? Would god send himself back to Earth to remind us? What if we all ignored god, would he get offended and call us?

Probably going to be all talk and no action, unfortunately not interested in studying the bible.

But I'll take your word for it, stand corrected, the authors of the bible are well known. Having said that my view is that it is all hog wash whether they are well known or not.

And off the top of my head I'm pretty sure that many people over the years have died horrible deaths for their beliefs, but that does not make what they believe in true.

If we asked for reasonable historical sources so as to be able to distinguish fact from fiction (due to it being so dubious), beginning with the martyr of this breakaway sect of Judaism (a breakaway cult dedicated in worship to an alleged human sacrifice), that would be a very short discussion. If we rule out forgery, interpolation and wishful thinking, christ himself has about as much to verify his existence as does Xenu of Scientology fame (basically nothing).

If we also take physics, chemistry, biology/ modern medicine etc. into account it then becomes a certainty there was no biblical version of christ to begin with, making the rest of the exaggerations and possible lives of these first century delusionals irrelevant anyway, even if they were real.

Sai Baba is only one of many "special ones" with miracles/magic tricks even better than christ's. We at least know he was real and don't have to rely on the exaggerated rumors of illiterate and superstitious iron age peasants, goat herders and the like, generations after the fact. We can talk to any number of his millions of modern western educated followers who will attest to his miracles, even those who were resurrected. Sounds like a messiah, perhaps you people are following the wrong one?

None of this mythology measures up to the rainbow serpent IMO. While both probably about as historically accurate as each other, at least it is nowhere near as perverse. Seems far more colourful and imaginative than the primitive religious beliefs that were precursor to the dark ages...

i aint no theological scholar, but i does know that the bible has been translated, then written, re written, many times.

some versions have been done under certain english rulers. the final edition could be biased to that latest rulers ideolgy.yes?

so, here and now, the manipulated, biased data can only be seen as "tainted".

bible teachings are sooo open to personal interpretation. and this can be sooo varied.

history is always written by the victors

thus, the bible translation, can be believed?????

Iangordon thank you.

mlj1mlj1 I hope you're not upset by the above comments. I have a whole raft of beliefs that gets me into trouble. We can start with yowies. Ho ho!

Such a strange discussion to be having when the Australian Government has just launched a huge Royal Commission (an enquiry) into the pervasive child abuse in churches, especially the Catholic Church. The history of the Christianity is no secret.

Who are the well known authors of the Bible?! Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not the chosen disciples of Jesus. The Gospels were written by people who never met Jesus; had never been to his country, and couldn't speak his language, nearly a hundred years after he was gone. We know practically nothing about the people who wrote the Gospels except their names. It's bewildering that many Christians think otherwise!

We also know that the authors of the Bible had a leader- "saint" Paul, who had a reputation for being an accomplice in the murdering of Christians and contradicting Jesus' chosen disciples on matters such as circumcision and vegetarianism.

Given that, there's enough in the Bible to see that Jesus was the real deal. Enlightened or whatever. Enough to build a sincere faith on. Many great people who have been greater & wiser than I, have believed in Christianity.

mlj1mlj1 we respect your beliefs. To think the Bigfoot has Christian beliefs seems childish to me.

I would find it extremely surprising if the hairy people were christians .

It wouldnt surprise me however if the hairy people had developed a deity of their own , a belief system of their own .

Surely , as smart as they are , after maybe 200 thousand years or longer , they've seen some miracles of their own and could come to no other conclusion than divine intervention (their own version) and conluded that a higher power was watching over them .

It would seem natural to me that a creature , so close to our own intelligence would evolve or have a need for such a belief system .

Just a thought.............

A bloke wrote..."We also know that the authors of the Bible had a leader- "saint" Paul, who had a reputation for being an accomplice in the murdering of Christians and contradicting Jesus' chosen disciples ..."

What?
How do "we" know this?? (you said "we know")
I agree the bible was written/re-written/ re-written........etc.
but how do you assume that we all know that these things actually happened...a while ago

We know this because it's in the Bible. Paul's letters, etc. Paul admits it very clearly. There's nothing challenging about it. Scholars from every Christian sect agree on these points. I just put it bluntly.

Matthew and John were apostles so just thought i would point that out.

Yes, they were, but they were not the Matthew and John who wrote the Gospels of Matthew and John in the New Testament. Likewise Mark & Luke. We know next to nothing about the people who wrote the Gospels. They were followers of Paul. That's about it.

Another group of people or another person in the woods who feels a cross is significant. What a crazy idea, huh. With Melba's post now you see why I posted what I did. This is much more complicated than most imagined. I have openly put myself out there because its the truth, which was sorely needed. They wanted me to see the cross. I have a friend in the woods, who wanted me to see it really bad. Now you see why....It matters to them like it matters to allot of us.....And they wanted us to know because it matters on many levels....

Someone wrote.."We know this because it's in the Bible". But I had mentioned the fact that the Bible has been translated and rewritten , many times.
So you believe the rewriter, translator. What if they are driven by Satan?

The "drawing of a cross" is something I have personally seen. Yes, all my children have done simple lines and crosses from the age of two till five.