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I have proposed more than once on this forum that Todd Standing may be the victim of a demonisation campaign by the PTB in an effort to hinder his long stated goals of recognition and protection.
It seems two of the better known scientists in the BF world have now thrown their support behind him...
url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4PNYMfbmVk[/url]

Wolf wrote:I have proposed more than once on this forum that Todd Standing may be the victim of a demonisation campaign by the PTB in an effort to hinder his long stated goals of recognition and protection.
It seems two of the better known scientists in the BF world have now thrown their support behind him...
url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4PNYMfbmVk[/url]

He might know a thing or two, but in the final washup his "sasquatch" videos/photos were out and out Hollywood makeup fakery, and he should still stay damned for that.

Utah sasquatch has a convincing video as does Mr Standing himself. Utah proves( to me at least) that its not a mask and similar to Sasquatch that he has seen. I will have a look after work. Thanks Wolf. I was wondering when you would bring the subject up again...and what Greg would say.

Yowie bait wrote:Utah sasquatch has a convincing video as does Mr Standing himself. Utah proves( to me at least) that its not a mask and similar to Sasquatch that he has seen. I will have a look after work. Thanks Wolf. I was wondering when you would bring the subject up again...and what Greg would say.

You both belong to a deluded minority and seeing and believing what you want to see and believe.
That's me for 2 weeks.

gregvalentine wrote:

Yowie bait wrote:Utah sasquatch has a convincing video as does Mr Standing himself. Utah proves( to me at least) that its not a mask and similar to Sasquatch that he has seen. I will have a look after work. Thanks Wolf. I was wondering when you would bring the subject up again...and what Greg would say.

You both belong to a deluded minority and seeing and believing what you want to see and believe.
That's me for 2 weeks.

Actually i dont " want" to believe that is a sasquatch at all. It looks like a poor Lon Cheney werewolf ripoff to me.

Yowie bait wrote:

gregvalentine wrote:

Yowie bait wrote:Utah sasquatch has a convincing video as does Mr Standing himself. Utah proves( to me at least) that its not a mask and similar to Sasquatch that he has seen. I will have a look after work. Thanks Wolf. I was wondering when you would bring the subject up again...and what Greg would say.

You both belong to a deluded minority and seeing and believing what you want to see and believe.
That's me for 2 weeks.

Actually i dont " want" to believe that is a sasquatch at all. It looks like a poor Lon Cheney werewolf ripoff to me.

I know what you mean, nowhere near what I always picture in my mind, looks more like bored Ewoks

I think Mr. Standing's photos/video of the subjects are very interesting. I've not gone back on this forum for your threads regarding those photos/video but am wondering what you make of the eye blinking on the dark haired subject? (I know many researchers despise him in this country for many different reasons.) Thinker Thunker did some very good work breaking down videos and with his experience with CGI and looking into the technology to create Hollywood FX facial expressions, I'm really questioning the eye blink. I also think it would be a huge amount of effort to create a mask that can move that brow/lid so quickly and so smoothly only for a momentary glimpse.

What I always think whenever I see those photos/video is, "What if those are authentic?" Really, what if they are? There are many reports in the US/Canada that give differing information on physical features, ape/human, flat nose/hooded nose, face mostly hairless/completely covered, different colored hair, etc. (As diverse as we humans are.) As for the stillness of the subjects, it's been widely reported that they can stand absolutely still-completely motionless for long periods of time-long enough for a human brain to think if they are actually looking at a live subject or not.

I think most people have issues with Mr. Standing because of his disposition-the starting point-before all of his other actions. Another researcher with more personable traits (Les Stroud, for instance) would be apt to be more believable it seems.

The easy, smooth, fast eye blink of the darkest subject does make me wonder.

I think there are lessons for all here. Often we are too quick to judge based on the "latest breakdown" only to find out later that the people doing the so-called breakdown may have fudged the evidence to suit their particular bias. I was one of these who was entirely too trusting of these "breakdown" experts. Hence my present position is one of "trying" to reserve judgement and just gather as much evidence as possible. I admit it is difficult since we seem to be hardwired to take a position on issues and are not always comfortable letting things remain unexplained.

Drs Meldrum and Bindernagel, although experts in their field are human also. Yes, they could probably be hoaxed, and they wouldn't be the first, but from what I have read and heard their support of Todd Standing is not based primarily about the video evidence but also about personal experiences they had when he took them to his research areas. Keep in mind that they have seen far more of the video than has been publicly released.

Also keep in mind that these are the clearest images anyone has ever presented to date and suddenly the "experts" know that they are fake. How? The evidence of fraud is based on circumstantial supposition and comparison to other things that are not Bigfoot related, and are possibly based on manipulated screen shots of the video.

It reminds me of the furore that has surrounded every decent Bigfoot video ever released, where there are always accusations of hoaxing levelled at the unfortunate soul who thought he was doing the right thing releasing it to the public. Bob Gimlin and Paul Freeman come to mind but there have been others. I know of a gentleman from my own home town who took a photograph of a Yowie but never shows it to people anymore because he was just ridiculed to the point of violence. I wonder how much evidence is hiding away in secret for the same reason.

Personally I'm just going to "wait and see" until we get more information. I'm pretty sure that having been out with Todd once, they will be keen to do more in the field stuff with him.

Well said Trev.

Despite the controversy I was always fascinated with Todd's work. Do we question Diane Fossey's work because of her personality traits... or Jane Goodall's? We should never bring personality traits of 'researchers' into this field, but sadly many do.

It seems the bigfoot community is made up of an abnormal percentage of massive egos, probably because very few are 'real' scientists. Instead they play at being scientists with none of the discipline nor training. These few are very easy to manipulate into damning 'competing' researchers' findings. In fact most likely need no manipulating at all, their egos do the work for the PTB.

It may appear I come on strong regarding researchers' evidence on this forum, but that is merely to 'play devil's advocate' (as I feel one must in this field). In reality I remain open to ALL possibilities regarding these animals (even shapeshifting into Bush Turkeys) for who am I to judge? I haven't even seen one (that I am aware of).

When hearing of a researcher being shamed as a hoaxer I always keep in mind the possible hidden hand (men in black) at work, regardless of the personality. Even with 'known' hoaxers like Rick Dyer.

Dr Meldrum's encounter... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkayIv7I2PM

What annoys me is that so many people have weighed in on the hoax aspect that its almost impossible to determine whether that said footage is real or not.
What if it is? Have we ruined something that was legit?
[ I have no idea if is legit - just saying!]

Just now there was a bird walking on my tin roof I heard it I know it was a bird !
Upon going outside for a visual it had flown away as birds tend to do , probably startled at the sound of the door opening !
Despite not actually seeing the subject I am comfortable in my thoughts that it was in fact a bird that produced the sounds from my rooftop .
I do not need the acknowledgment of a professional with a university degree to support my finding and I will continue to believe in myself so long as I have rationalised my thoughts .

The same scenario could easily be applied to most Yowie encounters ,
Don't let the naysayers deter you from your goals !!!

AL Pitman wrote:Just now there was a bird walking on my tin roof I heard it I know it was a bird !
Upon going outside for a visual it had flown away as birds tend to do , probably startled at the sound of the door opening !
Despite not actually seeing the subject I am comfortable in my thoughts that it was in fact a bird that produced the sounds from my rooftop .
I do not need the acknowledgment of a professional with a university degree to support my finding and I will continue to believe in myself so long as I have rationalised my thoughts .

The same scenario could easily be applied to most Yowie encounters ,
Don't let the naysayers deter you from your goals !!!

I agree with your comments Al.

I think the big issue is that there are those who are comfortable in their own skin - meaning that they can find peace with their own thoughts and beliefs. And then there are those who need a house to fall on them before they believe.

Like you I have faith in what I have experienced, listening to reports and reading books to know that the chances of the whole thing being bogus is now so slim its out of my mind. I just want to see what these guys look like - up close and how they differ to us. Thats is all....I don't want them 'discovered' as such because as we all know - being humans that won't end well.

gregvalentine wrote:He might know a thing or two, but in the final washup his "sasquatch" videos/photos were out and out Hollywood makeup fakery, and he should still stay damned for that.

Agreed.

Dion wrote:

gregvalentine wrote:He might know a thing or two, but in the final washup his "sasquatch" videos/photos were out and out Hollywood makeup fakery, and he should still stay damned for that.

Agreed.

So who proved the "fakery" charge?
I hope you aren't referring to the document circulated using the photographs that Reo has recently shown to have the hallmarks of being photo-shopped when compared to stills from the actual footage?

This is what I mean about taking critical evidence at face value. It seems you cant trust anyone in this field.
I failed initially to critique the critics and I am glad someone has pointed it out.

Personally I am willing to wait and see.

Wolf wrote:I have proposed more than once on this forum that Todd Standing may be the victim of a demonisation campaign by the PTB in an effort to hinder his long stated goals of recognition and protection.
It seems two of the better known scientists in the BF world have now thrown their support behind him...
url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4PNYMfbmVk[/url]

The footage shown on Survivorman by Les Stroud, of the big hairy pair of legs running up the Hill made me stop and think...?

As did the older (50 years old) tree structures they displayed on the show. Les Shroud seems like a decent Canadian fellow
so I don't discount his opinions lightly, given what he does to make a buck.

In fact here's a little satirical tribute I made to the Standing/ Shroud episodes of Survivorman.

Les has seen it and takes it in the good natured way I meant it...LOL

https://youtu.be/j1Rc7qsafcw

No worse than my " Finding bigfoot" payout. All meant in fun.

https://youtu.be/RnCHekGbNsU

Cheers