Jungadee track found at Tiviat brook Queensland

[paulmcleod67]

Whilst fossicking at Tiviat Brook in Queensland Australia, I came across this interesting track set.
About the size of a small child's, the track exhibits what appears to be three toes.
What ever made the tack had substantial weight for its size, as noted by the way the sandy substrate has piled to one side.

https://youtu.be/6Bxf_18VSVg

Incidentally I found this very unusual rock. Its full of shocked quartz and resembles lunar breccia.

Anyone have any geological training here?

If it's a chunk of the moon it's worth many thousands of dollars per gram.

[Dion]

Hi Paul

IMO.... the track you have found may be 5 toed its just that the 5 toes are not showing, I think what you are referring to as 3 toes is or has been made by something else?

Could be wrong though. There is a noticeable arch in the print suggesting that it is a barefoot.

In regards to the moon rock I would doubt it somehow, something that big would have lit up the night sky as it entered the atmosphere.

Looks like a nice area.

[paulmcleod67]

Hi Paul

IMO.... the track you have found may be 5 toed its just that the 5 toes are not showing, I think what you are referring to as 3 toes is or has been made by something else?

Could be wrong though. There is a noticeable arch in the print suggesting that it is a barefoot.

In regards to the moon rock I would doubt it somehow, something that big would have lit up the night sky as it entered the atmosphere.

Looks like a nice area.

Cheers mate.

If it is a meteorite I would assume its ancient.
I found it knee deep in the creek and underneath a flood exposed embankment ledge,
there were no similar specimens in the area that I noticed.
It does seem to have a weathered fusion crust and its too light to be Andersite granite....bit of a mystery to me.

The print was quite a find. Thanks for the input matey

[Shazzoir]

Hey Paul
I'm no expert, but meteorites don't tend to look like your stone there: they are blasted by heat of thousands of degrees on entry through Earth's atmospheric layers and usually have a distinctive very dark stippled/pitted appearance as a result. The stone shown looks sedimentary to me and very similar to fossil stone found at Fossil Beach in Tassie, near Bluff (containing billions of fossil shells of tiny size). Again, without really examining it though, I'm not able to say much more after having seen only a photo. I doubt moon rock would make it to earth, and what may have dislodged it from its parent lunar body?

Prints are interesting though, and quite local to me also

Shazz

[Shazzoir]

Actually, on reading this, I could be wrong, LOL

http://meteorite.unm.edu/meteorites/met ... meteorite/

Shazz

[Jim]

If that is quartz in the rock you found then it's not a meteorite.

Quartz is formed under very specific conditions in the earth's crust, generally not on meteorites.

[Simon M]

It's difficult to know with those three-toed tracks - I suspect it's something to do with how they walk, or (more specifically) how their toes are grouped when they walk. I doubt there are three-toed varieties of Yowie/Junjadee, but there is something about the way they walk in certain conditions that creates those tracks. Perhaps they have larger and more articulated toes that are more like those of an ape than ours are? Maybe they group them like that while walking through mud to help them balance and not slip or get bogged down in it?

[paulmcleod67]

If that is quartz in the rock you found then it's not a meteorite.

Quartz is formed under very specific conditions in the earth's crust, generally not on meteorites.

Cheers mate.

As I said I suspect it is lunar impact breccia, which do indeed contain shocked quartz (see image of known sample).

Another interesting feature (having sliced it today) is that the quartz shows no signs of weathering.
All the edges of the quartz inclusions are crisp edges and I have found no rounded examples anywhere on it. (see sliced section image)

[paulmcleod67]

It's difficult to know with those three-toed tracks - I suspect it's something to do with how they walk, or (more specifically) how their toes are grouped when they walk. I doubt there are three-toed varieties of Yowie/Junjadee, but there is something about the way they walk in certain conditions that creates those tracks. Perhaps they have larger and more articulated toes that are more like those of an ape than ours are? Maybe they group them like that while walking through mud to help them balance and not slip or get bogged down in it?

It may just be a very young toddler yowie?

I'm fairly sure it wasn't made by a bare foot child as the area has a ton of stinging nettles. I got zapped many times even moving around with great care.

I have to add that my dog was acting screwy the whole time we were there as well.

Cheers mate

[paulmcleod67]

If that is quartz in the rock you found then it's not a meteorite.

Quartz is formed under very specific conditions in the earth's crust, generally not on meteorites.

I should know in abouta month with a bit of luck having contacted the geosciences dept at Curtin university

I managed to dig up a bunch of meteoric sightings reports from around the Ipswich area via TROVE
which allowed me to put together a rough map based on airburst reports from 1894 and 1920 over the area.

[Simon M]

Could be a young one - I never thought of that!

[bassplyr]

Hi guys new here to this sight and im no expert just a guy with a similar fascination on the subject of yowies.

Its possible that its a juvinile walking on all fours instead of bipedaly.

The three indentations that seem to be toes may be the knuckles and thumb of the hands and then the rear foot steps in the same track superpositioning the two tracks into one. Im imagining the outer knuckles (little finger ) of say a loose fist. And then the index fingers knuckles and finally the thumb. Causing three indentations.

The question is if its a juvinile than the parents had to be around somewhere close. There should be tracks i would think in the vacinity of the adult(s). Would be cool of next time youre there looking for tracks closer to the bush where an adult may seek to conceal their mass while the little one plays by the creek.

[Tim*]

Hi Bassplyr

I think the depth of the heel impression would indicate whatever it was, was walking upright. Had it been on all fours, the forefoot would be more pronounced and the heel less so.

Unless these prints were accompanied by yowie related activity, it's safe to assume they are human.

[paulmcleod67]

Hi Bassplyr

I think the depth of the heel impression would indicate whatever it was, was walking upright. Had it been on all fours, the forefoot would be more pronounced and the heel less so.
Unless these prints were accompanied by yowie related activity, it's safe to assume they are human.

The track displays an interesting weight distribution for it size as scaled by the standard BIC lighter in frame.
Notice the sandy substrate that has been pushed to the right and piled quite high?

I tried to reproduce this effect and whilst the sand was dry when I was there I could not reproduce the piling.

I read the print as moving forward at speed and by the weight shift, beginning to turn to the right...pushing the wet sand in effect.

Now I'm no expert but would that not indicate by size and weight distribution that a small and very heavy body had made this very hominid track?

Maybe it was made by a 200kg fat kid? (I'm joking of course).

[gregvalentine]

Hi Bassplyr

I think the depth of the heel impression would indicate whatever it was, was walking upright. Had it been on all fours, the forefoot would be more pronounced and the heel less so.
Unless these prints were accompanied by yowie related activity, it's safe to assume they are human.

The track displays an interesting weight distribution for it size as scaled by the standard BIC lighter in frame.
Notice the sandy substrate that has been pushed to the right and piled quite high?

I tried to reproduce this effect and whilst the sand was dry when I was there I could not reproduce the piling.

I read the print as moving forward at speed and by the weight shift, beginning to turn to the right...pushing the wet sand in effect.

Now I'm no expert but would that not indicate by size and weight distribution that a small and very heavy body had made this very hominid track?

Someone just running/leaping and thus coming down with more force? Human kids do that.

Maybe it was made by a 200kg fat kid? (I'm joking of course).

[gregvalentine]

Hi Bassplyr

I think the depth of the heel impression would indicate whatever it was, was walking upright. Had it been on all fours, the forefoot would be more pronounced and the heel less so.
Unless these prints were accompanied by yowie related activity, it's safe to assume they are human.

The track displays an interesting weight distribution for it size as scaled by the standard BIC lighter in frame.
Notice the sandy substrate that has been pushed to the right and piled quite high?

I tried to reproduce this effect and whilst the sand was dry when I was there I could not reproduce the piling.

I read the print as moving forward at speed and by the weight shift, beginning to turn to the right...pushing the wet sand in effect.

Now I'm no expert but would that not indicate by size and weight distribution that a small and very heavy body had made this very hominid track?

Someone just running/leaping and thus coming down with more force? Human kids do that.

Maybe it was made by a 200kg fat kid? (I'm joking of course).

Apologies for the misplacement.

[Tim*]

I tried to reproduce this effect and whilst the sand was dry when I was there I could not reproduce the piling.

Thats the problem Paul. You won't get the same result in the dry. You won't get the same level of displacement as in wet soil. So any 'test' done in the dry is useless. You definately wont get the spill over, or piling as you called it, in the dry.

As for the toes being unusual. The bevelling effect you can see if you look at the inner arch, may suggest the foot has slid laterally. An effect you might expect to see while 'cutting' as you run, shifting the weight to the outside of the foot. This would also be consistent with the spill over on the outside of the print.
As the toes dont laterally move independently of the foot as a whole, you would expect to see smearing of the toe prints.

So more than likely the result of a running child. Just my opinion

[Tim*]

Looking at it again, I think the majority of the piling you can see has nothing to do with the print and is coincidental. The print isnt deep enough to have displaced that much sand. I think someone just happend to step next to a pile of sand.

[paulmcleod67]

I tried to reproduce this effect and whilst the sand was dry when I was there I could not reproduce the piling.

Thats the problem Paul. You won't get the same result in the dry. You won't get the same level of displacement as in wet soil. So any 'test' done in the dry is useless. You definately wont get the spill over, or piling as you called it, in the dry.

As for the toes being unusual. The bevelling effect you can see if you look at the inner arch, may suggest the foot has slid laterally. An effect you might expect to see while 'cutting' as you run, shifting the weight to the outside of the foot. This would also be consistent with the spill over on the outside of the print.
As the toes dont laterally move independently of the foot as a whole, you would expect to see smearing of the toe prints.

So more than likely the result of a running child. Just my opinion

Interesting points but I see few similarities to a human print

[AL Pitman]

Do you mean (TEVIOT) Brook , Paul ?????

[paulmcleod67]

It's difficult to know with those three-toed tracks - I suspect it's something to do with how they walk, or (more specifically) how their toes are grouped when they walk. I doubt there are three-toed varieties of Yowie/Junjadee, but there is something about the way they walk in certain conditions that creates those tracks. Perhaps they have larger and more articulated toes that are more like those of an ape than ours are? Maybe they group them like that while walking through mud to help them balance and not slip or get bogged down in it?

It may just be a very young toddler yowie?

I'm fairly sure it wasn't made by a bare foot child as the area has a ton of stinging nettles. I got zapped many times even moving around with great care.

I have to add that my dog was acting screwy the whole time we were there as well.

Cheers mate

I now realize why the dog was acting screwy and why I felt so ill at ease when we were there.
Take a look at what I just found in the original footage upon review.
A "Little foot" was standing next to a tree watching us from the opposite side of the creek.
I walked right past that tree soon after I took the footage....maybe three minutes later.... that's when the dog started acting up....

CREEPY!!!!

I just uploaded a new version with zooms and stills of the sneaky bugger on the opposite bank.


https://youtu.be/bN0hfQT-i5c


Here are some still shots and a couple of resized and color enhanced images .

[paulmcleod67]

Here's an enlarged but not enhanced still frame, for those that wish to take a look via their own software.

Cheers

[Simon M]

In the still frame enlargement, that definitely looks like a standing figure to me. That's as much as I could say given the lack of detail in the image, but I'd say there's a figure standing there for sure.

[Tim*]

Hard to see but does look like an ape-like figure to me. With its back turned to the camera.

[Tim*]

Also don't know about being a juvenile. Whilst it's hard to guage size without some type of scale, it looks very thick/heavy set.

[Yowie bait]

Also don't know about being a juvenile. Whilst it's hard to guage size without some type of scale, it looks very thick/heavy set.

They can apparently be quite heavy set. Ive given it another go since you guys can see it and i really want to see a junjadee. I can see what could be a face but not going to point it out but i see monkeys everywhere...Looks like Paul will have to get a comparison shot for this one.

[Kezza]

I see two faces or something with its back turned. Need to take another pic to see if there actually was something there or a trick on ones mind.

[Wolf]

All I see is a cartoon face, but then I see them everywhere I look... clouds, shadows of trees, etc

[deadpool]

I took the unenhanced image, darkened the area where I can see "something", gave it an outline, and pointed out two other possible somethings. Not sure if just shadows and graphical artifacts, but if if its just a youngin', there'd be an adult very close by.

[Tim*]

in that last photo the juvenile looks more like an ant hill