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I can accept telekinesis - not 'ghosts' in the traditional sense - but poltergeist activity that may be the unintentional result of human psychic potential. I can accept the possibility of it being real.

Aliens....I have real difficulty with. I can accept that people may have had some form of hallucination, or that Yowies/Aliens/Dogmen are all manifestations of the human collective unconscious, given temporary physical form via the projection of human psychic potential (which can't be consciously controlled only subconsciously expressed). Hypocritically, I also cannot accept Dogmen as being an independent species.

Aliens and Dogmen....I just cannot accept them.

If all these things were somehow interrelated phenomena, and came from one source (the human mind's hidden potential) I'd be okay with it.

However, there's evidence that isn't reliant on eyewitnesses alone, or even on human observers being present (sound recordings, photos in which unexpected/inexplicable images have appeared and so on).

So the thing I struggle with is this - how do we classify things we cannot even quantify? I'm not sure it can be done. So many things simply don't/won't happen under laboratory conditions that the present lexicon of science is hamstrung by it's own modus operandi - but how do you move beyond 'pure' research without stepping past the boundaries of what's acceptably 'scientific'?

When even climate science is being questioned, and people are seriously suggesting that the Flat Earth theory could be real, how do we begin to ask new questions?

Is it the case that people are afraid of the answers and so choose to ignore these questions, or is it the case that most people simply don't care to ask questions in the first place?

I'm sure I'm not the first to point this out, but most alien abduction stories seem a lot like the old-world folk tales of people being kidnapped by pixies/fairies/elves/gnomes, etc. Missing time, odd little people with weird powers, etc. There are a lot of similarities.

Are these kinds of phenomena the expression of some human psychological characteristic - the collective unconscious for lack of a better term - or are they just a modern version of an ongoing series of actual events which stretches back into antiquity? Most cultures have these folkloric figures - little people, wild-men - but are they word-of-mouth accounts of actual events and living beings, or are they projections of the human subconscious into the conscious mind?

Some of them have their own reality - Yowie footprints, objects being moved without anyone touching them, weird lights in the sky - but is it 'everyday reality', or is some kind of psychic aspect in effect? Can an observer unintentionally 'will' something into physicality temporarily?

Just me thinking aloud (?) at 2:45am.

I think deep down you are already on your way to truth and answers.

A great start would be to thoroughly investigate what you rely upon to define truth.

So the thing I struggle with is this - how do we classify things we cannot even quantify? I'm not sure it can be done. So many things simply don't/won't happen under laboratory conditions that the present lexicon of science is hamstrung by it's own modus operandi - but how do you move beyond 'pure' research without stepping past the boundaries of what's acceptably 'scientific'?

It seems that you, like most modern people, have this view that science is some sort of inviolable font of truth, it's methods unquestionable and it's practitioners beyond reproach.
What science declares as fact obviously must be true - those professors wouldn't lie to us would they?
I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth.

So at the risk of pulling down the last column that holds up the roof, put some critical thinking to work in looking at the pillars of science that you lean on to define truth.
It will be disappointing but also liberating.

That is step 1.

It's not that science itself is unquestionable, or beyond reproach - it's that there isn't any way of actually defining something if you have no context for it. If you don't know what you're looking for, how do you find it? If you can't quantify it, you cannot understand it.

People created science, people are not perfect, therefore science cannot be perfect. That's a given. We cannot explain everything because we don't know which questions to ask. The only way to discover those questions is to keep asking all sorts of different questions until we find one(s) that we can test.

On the other hand, if you can't prove it, it isn't science. String Theory is a concept, but it cannot be proven so it's not science.

Science isn't a belief system, it's a means of testing ideas out to see if they're practical or viable. It's an intellectual toolkit.

All these phenomena can be explained by the poetry of science - we need to be able to expand the vocabulary of it, that's all.

I think that there are many things we simply cannot explain intellectually....yet.

I am no closer to any form of truth than anyone else. It's entirely possible that I'm further away than most people. I make assumptions and ignore things I dislike, so I am not being scientific in the conventional sense.

I still think it's possible that all this stuff - anything considered 'paranormal' - is some form of projection of the subconscious mind into the conscious one. Can people accidentally "tap into" other planes of reality? Or can we somehow temporarily alter small sections of reality by sheer force of (subconscious) will? Are both things true?

I'm not sure. There's no way of proving any of this, but as a concept it does (conveniently) explain why there are no dead Yowies being found, etc.

But me sitting at a computer guessing isn't science. Without actual science we wouldn't have computers, cars, modern medicine, machine-woven clothes, or any of the trappings of modern society.

That's my issue - you need to use solid facts to ground things in or it's all just snake-oil, fad diets and cures for baldness. Conversely, you need to be imaginative or you'll never learn anything new.

I guess if you're going to advocate for stuff that's outside the norm you'll get metaphorical bruises. That's okay. I don't mind that. I do like to be able to argue a point using more than just guesswork, though.

The psychic projection thing doesnt cut it if you look at group sightings of yowies and ghosts or some of the mass ufo sightings like westhall or the phoenix lights. Group psychic projection or mass hallucinations perhaps? May as well say it was swampgas...

Yowie bait wrote:The psychic projection thing doesnt cut it if you look at group sightings of yowies and ghosts or some of the mass ufo sightings like westhall or the phoenix lights. Group psychic projection or mass hallucinations perhaps? May as well say it was swampgas...

This is an understandable comment, and to an extent I agree.

The idea of unconscious group psychic projection is what's commonly 'blamed' for poltergeist activity in some literature on the topic. It's also used to dismiss UFO sightings ('mass hysteria' is the usual term employed). In the absence of solid evidence - and in the face of so many impossible to answer questions - a wide range of possible explanations can be looked at (in my opinion).

My point is that it's not a conscious decision anyone's made if this idea is an accurate one - it may be (literally) a form of collective unconscious at work, with the observed phenomena created (subconsciously) by those present. There's no evidence for it anyway, so it might as well be swamp gas.

Most of the general public would discount 99% of what we all discuss here as the result of 'swamp gas' or something equally derisive, but it's still clear that there are people witnessing things which don't fit into the normal range of everyday experience.

I'm struck by the number of sightings in which people describe a heightened sense of unease or the sudden disappearance of the Yowie they're looking at, etc. I'm more inclined to think it's the result of Yowies emitting infrasound (or some other similar mechanism) messing with our perceptions. That makes more sense to me, personally.

There's also no proof of that, either.

I'm just saying that I'm willing to accept that people may be able to either project something unknowingly that manifests itself physically (some form of telekinesis?) or that people can - temporarily - intersect with an identical location in a parallel universe (or that Yowies can do so). I don't think either of those are that's what's happening - but that's not because I'm able to disprove it, but just because I just don't like it as a theory - so all of what I say is simply opinion and conjecture.

Even people who've seen these things can't say for sure what they've actually seen, or define its true nature, which makes learning about the subject....difficult.

I too, am inclined to think they use infrasound to mess with our perceptions of 'reality'.
Reality is after all very subjective.

Science does not declare facts (not 'pure' science at any rate). Science IS ALL theory. A theory remains such until experiment proves it false, for example, The Flat Earth Theory gaining popularity amongst the tinfoil-hatters. Gravity is also a theory. We accept it as fact, but in scientific terms it is theory, and one that many scientists admit has them baffled to this day.

Dark Matter exists as 'fact' but in actuality it is a theory. The maths 'proves' (supports) its reality but nobody knows what it is. Perhaps ALL matter comes into existence from the dark matter, created every moment by the power of the human mind (or all minds in the universe).

Personally, I am a firm believer in our ability to mentally create our surroundings. I have done so countless times in my life... literally visualise something I need and it comes into existence, whether it be a car, car space, home, or whatever.

We literally create our environment with our thoughts. Our perception of our environment determines our reality after all. If you are happy, everything is 'roses', for example.

Perhaps this constant 'creation' taking place is all done by one mind, your mind, which is the Only mind. The rest of us are simply projections of your mind. Is this why the gurus say we are all one, simply waves on the ocean of creation, deluded we are individuals, and unable to 'remember' we are in fact the whole? Until the wave flattens and merges back into the mass? Literally one mind projecting this reality. Is this life a dream? And when you die you are in fact, waking up?
Am I talking to myself? Or as Pink Floyd so aptly put it... "is there anybody out there?

Wow and i really thought there was something to all this but its been Simon and Wolf projecting these things all along. You two sure have a lot to answer for.


Seriously i have pondered this theory myself but really i think more likely there is just some real weird s#@t out there that we/science either doesnt or doesn't want to understand.

Yowie bait wrote:Seriously i have pondered this theory myself but really i think more likely there is just some real weird s#@t out there that we/science either doesnt or doesn't want to understand.

Yeah, this.

There's just loads of stuff we don't understand as yet.

Well your theory is fair enough. Scarts says in another thread he came up with a similar conclusion after 17 years of research too.

Ive spoken to some more earthy types about some things ive seen and theyve said " oh your creating these things with your mind and unlocking your hidden mind power unintentionally. Cropper and Healy talk about unknowing polt mediums could be creating all types of things.

I just know a few things ive seen are very real. I saw and smelt them and heard the vibrations of footsteps etc but never actually touched them physically so technically i cant say. I doubt i created them though.

I'm inclined to think we just don't understand the natural world to the extent we imagine we do.

I know it seems weak to simply say "well, we have no way of knowing"...but I'd rather admit to being ignorant that look silly by trying to be profound.

I have no special knowledge or insight about anything, and have never seen anything remotely inexplicable (apart from Kylie Minogue's ongoing career in the music industry).