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A, Bigfoot is an ape, the 'gigantopithicus theory'.

B, Bigfoot shares a hominid common ancestor with man, homo robustus perhaps? (Later homos used fire and/or tools... something Bigfoot apparently rarely, if ever, uses)

C, Bigfoot is from an alternative reality but somehow knows how to 'jump' interdimensionally at will.

D, Bigfoot is nephilim/descended from nephilim.

E, Bigfoot is 'Cain', or rather a descendant of Cain. The 'I Am My Brothers Keeper' theory.

F, Bigfoot is an Alien and either gets transported by other aliens or flies the ships himself, 'Hit it Chewie!'

Or G, WE are the aliens and Bigfoot is the natural Earthling, the 'Aliens used their DNA and mixed it with Bigfoot to create workers to mine the gold' theory.

Personally I lean towards 'B', but would not be surprised if 'G' or even 'C' were true.

Im not of sure of any but i think i like F best out of those on offer.

D of course, no doubt in my mind.

Im a bit of A & B as no one has enough evidence on exactly what they are we can all have our own opinions on them until one day when we know the Truth.

My belief is B
Cheers Greg

Add me to the 'B' camp

Shazz

I suppose I’m a B also, but don’t mind C sometimes.


T.

At the moment I feel most comfortable with B and G. Or a variation of G. If it was to be revealed that humans and sasquatch(I love this word) were the result of an outside parties genetic manipulations, I would not be surprised. I suppose option D could be considered in the same vein as B. If the nephilim stories are true, perversions of the the bloodline could result in any number of creatures. If they are descendants of nephilim, shouldn't we expect them to exibit more human like intellegence? Wouldn't you expect them to have more of an impact on our society than knocking on trees and throwing stones? I need to read up on nephilim.

A is similar to B?

C seems a little far fetched to me. The overwhelming theme to most of the reports I've read/heard are these are physical creatures. As well, I can imagine a creature that had the ability to shift interdimensionally would show signs of higher thinking, civility, sprituality. Far removed from a simple bush existence.

Tim* wrote:At the moment I feel most comfortable with B and G. Or a variation of G. If it was to be revealed that humans and sasquatch(I love this word) were the result of an outside parties genetic manipulations, I would not be surprised. I suppose option D could be considered in the same vein as B. If the nephilim stories are true, perversions of the the bloodline could result in any number of creatures. If they are descendants of nephilim, shouldn't we expect them to exibit more human like intellegence? Wouldn't you expect them to have more of an impact on our society than knocking on trees and throwing stones? I need to read up on nephilim.

A is similar to B?

C seems a little far fetched to me. The overwhelming theme to most of the reports I've read/heard are these are physical creatures. As well, I can imagine a creature that had the ability to shift interdimensionally would show signs of higher thinking, civility, sprituality. Far removed from a simple bush existence.

Hi Tim*,

I was thinking the same about C as you described it, if it’s ‘interdimensional’ why bother to manifest
into a ‘simple bush existence’. Many witnesses report the Yowie appearing to disappear quickly
into the bush while a few have said it disappeared right in front of them.
These people would be C.


T.

I think they're flesh and blood creatures that have nothing to do with either UFO's or Christian religious texts, but I have no fixed opinion on whether or not they're apes. They may be apes, but they may not be. They may be related to us somehow, but I don't assume it's a given that they are. They could be anything, really.

I'm not sure which letter that makes me.

Tim* wrote: I can imagine a creature that had the ability to shift interdimensionally would show signs of higher thinking, civility, sprituality. Far removed from a simple bush existence.

I would argue that a 'simple bush existence' could be a sign of HIGHER spirituality (connection to all things/the earth, etc)... an extreme form of the Amish, if you will.

I did say D but you could add C as well.

Tim wrote:I can imagine a creature that had the ability to shift interdimensionally would show signs of higher thinking, civility, sprituality. Far removed from a simple bush existence.

Hi Tim,
When you say they would show signs of higher thinking, civility, spirituality if they had the ability to shift inter-dimensionally that would be true if they were created with good intentions but they weren't. If they were the result of Nephilim miscegenation as I believe with Gigantopithecus for example then their existence is evil remembering that these fallen angels had nefarious intentions by defying all of God's instructions. people may not be able to get their heads around as to how they could inter-breed remembering though that these evil angels were able to do this as they had supernatural abilities and DNA.

I believe they have the ability to reincarnate from a spiritual form to flesh ( not too sure about the blood bit), eat or not eat. Bigfoot have been seen in the company of UFO's and I don't accept UFO's in the general explanation. They have also been seen in the presence of orbs. I do believe on one point you made they do have a higher thinking level.

Wolf

I understand where you're coming from and agree that turning your back on more 'civilised' pursuits and living simply can be condusive to attaining a higher level of spirituality. But, thats not always the case and simple living is often romaticised. The reality is, simple bush living is hard going. The lions share of your energy will be spent on merely trying to survive. More advanced living, can actually afford people the opportunity to spend more time pursuing things of a spiritual nature. Though it seems we've gone too far in the other direction now.

I think a good indicator of intelligence is creativity. Other than very basic stick structures and rock cairns, we haven't found many examples of creativity from these creatures.

Another is language. There has been a few recordings like the Sierra sounds that may suggest some type of language but mostly when we refer to these creatures vocalising, it's pretty basic stuff.

I think intelligence and spirituality go hand in hand and we haven't really seen any evidence of either.

Senseonfire

If these creatures are what you say they are. To what end were they created? They aren't having much impact on society fumbling around in the woods. From most reports it seems they'd prefer to be left alone. They certainly don't look to be furthering any kind dark cause?

sensesonfire wrote:I believe they have the ability to reincarnate from a spiritual form to flesh ( not too sure about the blood bit), eat or not eat. Bigfoot have been seen in the company of UFO's and I don't accept UFO's in the general explanation. They have also been seen in the presence of orbs. I do believe on one point you made they do have a higher thinking level.

Sense'. In regards to having the ability to reincarnate from a spiritual form to flesh. How did you come to believe this? Considering we know bugger all about these creatures, not even the basics, It seems like a pretty big leap.

Tim* wrote:Wolf

I understand where you're coming from and agree that turning your back on more 'civilised' pursuits and living simply can be condusive to attaining a higher level of spirituality. But, thats not always the case and simple living is often romaticised. The reality is, simple bush living is hard going. The lions share of your energy will be spent on merely trying to survive. More advanced living, can actually afford people the opportunity to spend more time pursuing things of a spiritual nature.

I would argue that 'advanced living' causes humanity to soften. Yes, there is more time and energy to devote to 'spiritual' pursuits but it is a false spirituality, one based around egoism and a sense of 'I'... the opposite of 'true' spirituality wherein one comprehends the Unity/totality of existence and recognises one is part of The Whole.

......whereas 'trying to survive' heightens one's senses by necessity and causes one to be 'in the moment' and 'at one with their environment' as much as possible. As modern humans we have lost much of our connection to reality (nature and the natural world)... and lost many of the abilities often attributed to Homo Nocturnus (Bigfoot). Abilities reported in 'native tribes' of all nations by colonising Europeans... native guides sensing changes in the weather well before the 'civilised' guidee, for example.

Tim* wrote:
I think a good indicator of intelligence is creativity. Other than very basic stick structures and rock cairns, we haven't found many examples of creativity from these creatures.

That's only Your perception of 'creativity'. Just because no 'record' of creativity is left behind does not indicate a lack of creativity taking place.

I am certain Homo Nocturnus expresses incredible creativity in day to day activities that leave no 'record' of their artistry. There is certainly an 'art' to hunting, for example... the 'art' of knowing the best place to set up an ambush point, or the 'art' of detecting which tree to tap on with a rock to listen for bugs and other tasty critters.

Tim* wrote:Another is language. There has been a few recordings like the Sierra sounds that may suggest some type of language but mostly when we refer to these creatures vocalising, it's pretty basic stuff.

Sorry, but I must differ here as well... there have been incredibly complex vocals recorded of chatter between what could only be these animals. We have no idea of what is being said. For all we know they could be discussing quantum mechanics as observable in the pattern of a bee's flight.

... and that is only what we HEAR. Their infrasound 'conversations' may be even more complex.

Tim* wrote:I think intelligence and spirituality go hand in hand and we haven't really seen any evidence of either.

On the contrary, we have seen much evidence of intelligence, for example: there are literally countless reports of Homo Nocturnus 'messing with' hikers, hunters, campers, etc. The 'messee' survives the incident to talk about it so the Homo Nocturnus were not doing it to hurt them. It is done either for humour/entertainment (there are many reports of being laughed at by the one doing said messing) or to scare humans away from thier patch (which indicates high intelligence in itself).

As to spirituality, I haven't sat down with one and discussed the meaning of life, although I hope one day to do so. I would give up ten years of my life to spend a day inside one's head.

Tim* wrote:

sensesonfire wrote:I believe they have the ability to reincarnate from a spiritual form to flesh ( not too sure about the blood bit), eat or not eat. Bigfoot have been seen in the company of UFO's and I don't accept UFO's in the general explanation. They have also been seen in the presence of orbs. I do believe on one point you made they do have a higher thinking level.

Sense'. In regards to having the ability to reincarnate from a spiritual form to flesh. How did you come to believe this? Considering we know bugger all about these creatures, not even the basics, It seems like a pretty big leap.

G'Day Tim,
I'm not too sure if this Bigfoot Discussion Board is the correct forum for a discussion on the supernatural but if you go over to the AYR - Yowie Controversial, Conjecture and Fringe Subject Matter Discussion you will find a stack of information on my beliefs on these creatures.

Hi Wolf

I typed out a response to your post on my phone then the page refreshed and I lost it. I can't bring myself to do it all again but I'll say this.

Sometimes a simple bush existence is just that, a simple bush existence.
a wolf spends its life in the bush, but that doesnt mean is it has a profound, spiritual connection to mother earth. A lot of being a proficient hunter is instinct, not an exampl of higher thinking.

Theres alot we dont know about the world we live in and the creatures that inhabit it but suggesting any of those creatures are capable of higher thinking is pure conjecture. I see no evidence to support it. Evidence so far suggests we are the only creatures with this capability. Is it possible the ant looks beyond its pile of dirt and asks the big questions? It's possible but we have to draw the line somewhere or else everything becomes possible which is silly.

I may come back and add more after i get over the frustration of losing all that text

Tim* wrote: Theres alot we dont know about the world we live in and the creatures that inhabit it but suggesting any of those creatures are capable of higher thinking is pure conjecture. I see no evidence to support it. Evidence so far suggests we are the only creatures with this capability.

Sorry, but in regards to Homo Nocturnus the evidence is plentiful they are more than capable of higher thinking... (accepting the numerous witness reports as 'evidence'). To discount his evidence is to discount all the evidence pointing towards a bipedal, hairy animal evading us in the bush.

Mind you, Bigfoot aside I would also argue that there is plenty of evidence of higher thinking amongst numerous species.

Here is just one piece of 'evidence' of problem solving at a level above many humans I know (and it's just a 'bird brain')... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URZ_EciujrE

Problem solving isn't quite what I had in mind when I said higher thinking. Unless the crow also sat and pondered on why he is a bird, how the food got there and by whos hand?

Tim* wrote:Problem solving isn't quite what I had in mind when I said higher thinking. Unless the crow also sat and pondered on why he is a bird, how the food got there and by whos hand?

How do you know he didn't?

I was using the bird as an example of animals being smart. Bigfoot has a brain size similar to humans, a crow has a comparatively tiny brain so if a bird brain (literally) can solve such complex problems in such a creative way I am pretty sure Bigfoot is more than capable of contemplating his existence.

Of course this is just conjecture as I haven't sat down with one and discussed the meaning of life... yet

As far as I know there is no correlation between brain size and the tendency to contemplate ones existence.
This is literally what sets us apart from the animals. Which brings us to the underlying issue of whether these creatures are just a 'dirty ape'. No one has any f*ckn idea. Your or my guess is as good as anybodys.

I probably at a guess go with b. But am open to any of the others as I really have no idea. I also think that just because they have a bush existence does not make them any less spiritual, I wouldn't call the majority of our population spiritual, judging by the c**p we carry on with as a species.

Zed

Tim* wrote:As far as I know there is no correlation between brain size and the tendency to contemplate ones existence.
This is literally what sets us apart from the animals. Which brings us to the underlying issue of whether these creatures are just a 'dirty ape'. No one has any f*ckn idea. Your or my guess is as good as anybodys.

Typical human response.
It is not 'greater intelligence' that sets us apart, nor the ability to question our own existence... what sets us apart is the fact we believe we ARE set apart from the animals and the natural world... we are not.

... in fact it is this misconception that 'allows' us to strip mine the land, clear fell the forests and destroy water aquifers with fracking and other activities. If anything it is this attitude that humans have indicates it is WE who are the alien-modified species, and/or the dumb, dirty apes not Bigfoot. No truly 'intelligent' animal would willingly destroy its own environment.

Tim* wrote:As far as I know there is no correlation between brain size and the tendency to contemplate ones existence.
This is literally what sets us apart from the animals. Which brings us to the underlying issue of whether these creatures are just a 'dirty ape'. No one has any f*ckn idea. Your or my guess is as good as anybodys.

You could be right Tim. '' Keep your filthy paws off me you damn dirty ape''.

Wolf wrote:

Tim* wrote:As far as I know there is no correlation between brain size and the tendency to contemplate ones existence.
This is literally what sets us apart from the animals. Which brings us to the underlying issue of whether these creatures are just a 'dirty ape'. No one has any f*ckn idea. Your or my guess is as good as anybodys.

Typical human response.
It is not 'greater intelligence' that sets us apart, nor the ability to question our own existence... what sets us apart is the fact we believe we ARE set apart from the animals and the natural world... we are not.

... in fact it is this misconception that 'allows' us to strip mine the land, clear fell the forests and destroy water aquifers with fracking and other activities. If anything it is this attitude that humans have indicates it is WE who are the alien-modified species, and/or the dumb, dirty apes not Bigfoot. No truly 'intelligent' animal would willingly destroy its own environment.

We're all human here Wolf, even you mate

I don't think it's a misconception or merely a belief that we are set apart from the natural world. The disconnect we have from nature is real! and it is plain to see from the very beginning of our time here on earth.

Biblical texts suggest this disconnect was from the moment Adam partook of the apple. Our inability to live in harmony with nature may be satans influence.
As you mention, maybe we are an alien modified species? It might explain why we are so ill suited physically to our environment.
Did we evolve from apes? Interesting that we actually devolved physically in terms of our ability to weather earths environment.

However we got here, it's clear that unlike every other species on the planet, we live apart from nature, not in it.

Our negative impact is not a recent phenomenon either. It would be easy to romanticise and think only modern man with our technology experience this disconnect, but thats not the case. But but the American Indians! What about that one tribe in the Amazon! What about them? Sure their impact was far less than ours but they still had to exploit nature to survive, in a way no other species has to.
Theres no doubt it has become worse as we have evolved technologically and the population has exploded to unsustainable numbers but historically, we have always raped the earth. From the beginning, just in varying degrees.

Tim* wrote:
We're all human here Wolf, even you mate

wrong again...

(At least according to my wife)

I think B is the most likely but anything is possible.....I just hope us mere mortals get an answer soon.