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The Same Sex Marriage Act is the latest tool used to erode basic human rights.

I have nothing against gays and have had more than a few as friends over the years. But the Same Sex Marriage crapola is simply another excuse for Big Bro to enforce laws upon us that erode the family unit further and even worse... erode our basic rights under 'Law'.

The guvmint loves to hide lots of stuff they won't tell us about in every new Bill introduced to Parliament. Problem is, very few parliamentarians bother to read the entirety of the bills presented before voting for them.

One rushed through this week was designed to "make hurt feelings an offence during the debate on redefining marriage. This was rushed into the senate this morning and within hours passed with little critical examination - but with plenty of emotional and self-serving stories over how nasty the debate has been.

Unlike most, I chose to question the government over some contents of the bill and frankly wasn’t satisfied with the answers.

Firstly, it overturns the people's right to access the legal system by requiring their complaint to be first approved by the Attorney-General, who coincidentally is a cheerleader for the rainbow brigade.

Secondly, the Minister was unable to explain whether it would be an offence to share (via social media) pre-existing and previously published images, videos or other material that doesn't comply with the new rules."... Corey Bernardi

What is hidden in the Same Sex Marriage Bill?

No-one yet knows but we can assume from what has happened in other countries with similar acts in place that ALL marriage will be redefined and parent's rights AND children's rights will be severely eroded. Children will no longer have the right to find out who their biological parents are.

But more scary is the 'fact' it will covertly give the state the power to over-ride the rights of parents to be parents... replacing under law, the parents with the state. No longer will the parents have the Right to choose how to educate, medicate, 'grow' their own children. You want to homeschool?... forget it, you will be fined and possibly jailed.

You DON'T want to vaccinate?... not a chance, you will be forced to or be fined/jailed/have your child taken away.

Big Bro has been steadily working towards this control for many years now and the Same Sex Marriage Act will be yet another nail (perhaps the final nail) in the coffin of Parent's rights.

Well said Wolf

Like yourself I have nothing against Gays I dont agree with it but I believe people have that choice (one day you wont be able to say the gay word, it will be something like "loving parents" instead of gay as that will be seen as politically incorrect).

But I do ask myself if kids will be brought up much like the stolen generation was, not knowing there birth parents. I believe even Penny Wong described this in the Senate as being a wrong way to look at things.

What infuriates me more is the gender crisis being forced on kids to think the have rights on there own sexuality from an early age, hormones therepy etc, personally you shouldn't be able to make the decision until your 18 much like not being able to drink alcohol until your 18.

Decisions for kids are being made by a select few of dopey no rules apply pollies. Personally I would hate to bring up kids in todays age I'm 36 with none and sometimes I think thankfully thats the case with the amount of being pushed upon them.

Much like I have said before laws and rules that have been in place for many thousands of years are slowly but surely being taken away. If you believe in a God then forget it your rights to certain ways of living are out the window.

Wolf wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14EBlIe ... e=youtu.be

Wolf wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14EBlIe ... e=youtu.be

You are absolutely correct Wolf as is Anonymous there is not a word he spoke that I disagreed with. I know you're not a conspiracist but that is exactly what this same sex marriage bill and all the hidden agenda that will flow from it is but you don't have to scratch the surface too deeply to discover their case.

I don't think I'm being paranoid when I believe that world politics is fast becoming one big subversive plot to rein in and subjugate the citizens and I know who is behind that.
Do I think the No vote and common senses will prevail? no, I don't because this dumbing down political correctness propaganda that has been gnawing away at the general public for decades and, it appears, finally predominating and that will be at our own peril.

Dion wrote:Well said Wolf

Like yourself I have nothing against Gays I dont agree with it but I believe people have that choice (one day you wont be able to say the gay word, it will be something like "loving parents" instead of gay as that will be seen as politically incorrect).

But I do ask myself if kids will be brought up much like the stolen generation was, not knowing there birth parents. I believe even Penny Wong described this in the Senate as being a wrong way to look at things.

What infuriates me more is the gender crisis being forced on kids to think the have rights on there own sexuality from an early age, hormones therepy etc, personally you shouldn't be able to make the decision until your 18 much like not being able to drink alcohol until your 18.

Decisions for kids are being made by a select few of dopey no rules apply pollies. Personally I would hate to bring up kids in todays age I'm 36 with none and sometimes I think thankfully thats the case with the amount of being pushed upon them.

Much like I have said before laws and rules that have been in place for many thousands of years are slowly but surely being taken away. If you believe in a God then forget it your rights to certain ways of living are out the window.

My mum was a teacher, so I grew up immersed in the 'education System'... while there ARE positive elements to it, its essence is to take over the role and responsibility of the parents. My son was 'homeschooled' but I would call it Life Schooled, for thier was literally no formality or structure to it. He learnt whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted. If he wanted to better his fitness and skills (the true purpose of education) by taking off on his mountain bike into the hills all day, that's what he did.
If he wanted to build something, a bike, model, piece of art or a house... he went ahead and did it.

Instead of wasting his life away in a hot classroom, he was out living it and getting the best education possible as a result.
At 11 years old he painted an entire house for a local real estate agent, at 12 he held the local council contract for keeping the towns toilets clean and parks mowed.

He has no school certificates of any kind. His only 'formal' education graphic design at a TAFE and now he gets paid to take holidays in resorts !!!!!!

The authorities were 'tough' back then too on homeschoolers. You were supposed to tell the system what you were doing and how your child's education was 'structured' ... screw that ...

The reality of life is... to take full responsibility for your actions and reap the rewards or the punishments accruing thereof. Others have Authority over you ONLY if you give it to them.

I don't think it will cost us anything allowing marriage equality. All it does is give the same rights in the workforce when it comes to leave or divorce in court. I wouldn't exactly say it's some great institution that is sacred, look at the divorce rate.

Kids deal with what ever is given to them, as long as it is a loving home that's all that counts. It isn't different to when heterosexuals adopt.

That's just my opinion.

Zed wrote:I don't think it will cost us anything allowing marriage equality. All it does is give the same rights in the workforce when it comes to leave or divorce in court. I wouldn't exactly say it's some great institution that is sacred, look at the divorce rate.

Kids deal with what ever is given to them, as long as it is a loving home that's all that counts. It isn't different to when heterosexuals adopt.

That's just my opinion.

Agreed.
My point to this topic is to ask what is hidden i the act they refuse to make public.
It is historically a first to run a plebiscite without making public the very bill the plebiscite is about.

The bill writers (very rarely an actual politician these days... usually an interest group or lobby group in today's corrupt world of politics) love to hide nasty c**p inside bills they introduce, knowing full well no politician will make the effort to actually read what they are voting for.

Look at the TTP, a 'trade deal' that would have literally stripped the little remaining sovereignty countries still have. It was planned out be the final nail in the coffin for nation states as an entity.

Hey Wolf,

Yes, when you put it like that, we have a right to know the "fine print". I am not as well read as yourself regarding politics, to busy researching Yowie's and Sasquatch, he he. Which is slightly worrisome if I am the norm.

I guess I don't see what the problem is, then again I never wanted to marry, I have been doing well enough in a long term relationship without that piece of paper.

Zed

Personally, I voted 'Yes' simply because I am sick and tired of the way the Federal MP's in Canberra are using this as a political footy.

People like Bernardi, Abbott, Andrews, Dutton, Hanson and Leyonhjelm (among others) genuinely worry me but marriage equality doesn't.

I am deeply suspicious of people like the Exclusive Brethren (with whom John Howard is associated), and other large (and largely anonymous) religious organisations wielding power from within government ranks - the whole 'separation of church and state' thing seems not to apply any longer and that worries me.

Whenever Abbott speaks about 'climate change theology' I cringe, and the extent to which people are currently allowing their faith to inform their politics bothers me. If he'd really felt like that, Abbott should've remained in the DLP, not joined the supposed free-marketeers in the Liberal Party.

Sorry. rant over.

Teenager got sacked for expressing online that they will be voting 'No'.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at- ... 0054a8b6dd

Incredibly the business owner justified this blatant disregard for Freedom of Speech...
"Advertising your desire to vote no for SSM is, in my eyes, hate speech. Voting no is homophobic. Advertising your homophobia is hate speech. As a business owner I can’t have somebody who publicly represents my business posting hate speech online."

... then actually went on to say, "Freedom of speech is there for a reason and so are consequences."

The brainwashing is strong in this one.
How can people have become so stupid?

Yes thats pretty nuts. It works the other way too. Someone i know has been turned totally homophobic by his church and i suspect recieved phone calls from some anti gay marriage organization. Its a shame as he is confined to a wheelchair and has finally got a great carer that doesnt steal etc and treats him with respect.

The carer is gay and now he reckons hes going to sack the carer as gays are sickos and dusgusting etc. He was fine with it all a few weeks ago and what he has been saying is definitely not his own words.

Other people are becoming extreme with the homophobia as well ive noticed while others are now totally pro gay and listening to celebrities views instead of thinking for themselves . Just another part of the usual idiotic celebrity worship.

Seems to me its just another way for the government to stir it up and turn us all against each other. Why dont they just make their changes and leave us out of it. Theyll do what they want anyway so make the decision already and stop wasting OUR money.

Personalky i could care less if gays get married. Ill go throw some confetti if theres a free meal on. No problem but i dont think im qualified to make a decision on a serious social issue like same sex marriage.

The young lady shouldn't have been sacked for expressing an opinion - that really is idiocy.

I'll likely be voting "yes". It's an opinion poll being conducted by the Australian bureau of statistics, to gauge public opinion on the subject. Furthermore, we live in a democracy where our laws should be a reflection of society's values.

There is a steady move towards equality in all areas of society and that is a good thing. Statistically, same sex couples represent about 3 percent of couple relationships in Australia. (Give or take (excuse the pun))

The bible was written in a time when the populations were much smaller and there was a heavy emphasis on man and woman having children and those children being raised in the family unit consisting of mum and dad. So our race keeps moving forward. It was necessary, and traditional marriage reflected this need and was idealised and made the norm. That need for population explosion no longer exists. The bible and its views and positions are a reflection of the times it was written in. Times have changed and our planet is now overpopulated.

Some churches will uphold their antiquated views and use discretion to refuse to marry same sex couples or acknowledge their union as valid before God. Who cares? It just means garden weddings will be on the rise, along with courthouse marriages.

As for the way it is taught in the education system, again, teaching acceptance and equality is far better than teaching non acceptance which as we all know, in the past, has led to bullying, ostracism, violence, and increased suicide rates in the gay and lesbian community.

My only concern is the initial violence which may erupt from religious extremists (Muslim and Christian alike) if a same sex marriage law is passed.

I disagree with Wolf.

Same sex marriage extends a basic human right.

Scarts wrote:I disagree with Wolf.

Same sex marriage extends a basic human right.

I agree

vic wrote:

Scarts wrote:I disagree with Wolf.

Same sex marriage extends a basic human right.

I agree

Rather than repeat my distrust of Big Brother I will simply quote Paul Keating:
"People who enter into homosexual relationships have full equality under Australian law already. They can do what they like. Over 80 pieces of legislation have already been passed to grant full equality to their relationships in the eyes of the law. They are free to enter into what ever sorts of relationships they choose with no discrimination whatsoever. That is up to them and people are generally not too worried about that.

​​But it is not marriage. Marriage is something very different. Marriage is simply a man and a woman coming together promising to remain faithful to each other at the exclusion of all others, and to build society through having children (if possible) and loving and protecting those children in the structure best designed for doing so.

​People are free to behave however they want and reap the consequences of their actions, as applies to all of us, however they are not free to impose gay sex on children, effectively grooming them to become gay or gay activists. Surely not without a fight at least.

​They are also not free to donate their blood according to the Red Cross and FDA, because it is deemed at a high risk of being contaminated with diseases which will wreak havoc on our communities. Therefore they should be required to give disclaimers in their campaigns to normalize and promote their unusual, unnatural and unhealthy sexual activity.

​Every child needs a Mum and a Dad. A man simply cannot be a mother and a woman just cannot be a father. For the sake of children and our society, marriage deserves to be preserved."

Now I personally dislike this man as much as any other main-stream-party politician, but he is correct when it comes to this.

Also, this 'Same-Sex Marriage malarky is a Wolf in sheep's clothing. As I said above, never before has a plebiscite been run on a proposed bill WITHOUT revealing the contents of the bill.

'They' tried to sneak through rights-removing bits and pieces years back with the 'Republic Referendum' but thankfully the people saw through it all... well enough of them did to make a difference and stop it anyway.

What is hidden in this Same Sex Marriage Bill that they refuse to allow even the gay lobby to see?

I repeat, I have NOTHING against gays and have some as close friends (even they are against this bill).
However, I do have something against the constant attack on the family unit being perpetuated by the social controllers.

The same attacks that Russia stopped years back. Now many social justice warriors see Russia as a homophobic country where being gay is illegal. This is absolute nonsense and part of the media war on Putin/Russia. There are many gays living very happily and unmolested throughout Russia. The so-called 'anti-gay' laws in Russia are NOT anti-gay. They are there to protect children and are very specifically against promoting homosexuality to children.

How can anyone NOT see Big Brother taking over control of us all, especially the children.

I have worked in education for almost 30 years and have seen the parents' roles being eroded constantly. Now they are removing them even further, as reported by Jon Rappaport:



The string of abuses laid on citizens of Australia by their government grows almost week by week.

Now, parental rights to raise children, without interference from the State, is under a new form of attack. This must be resisted.

Schools are bringing doctors on board, as a permanent feature. Young children will be subjected to medical diagnoses and treatment, without consent or approval from parents, even if those parents actively object. The State is stealing the role of guardian.

The Herald Sun reports. Read carefully:

“DOCTORS will have the power to treat students as young as 12 in schools even if parents refuse their consent.”

“GPs will consult at 100 Victoria high schools for up to one day a week as part of a $43.8 million program.”

“Guidelines released on Thursday show that even if a parent ‘expressly states’ that a doctor should not [examine] their child, the GP can if they deem the teen mature enough.”

“’Any student who wants to see the GP will be permitted to make an appointment,’ the policy said.”

“The GP will decide if the young person is mature enough to provide consent to any medical treatment for the prevailing issue.”

A young child “giving consent?” This is supposed to be “informed consent” when facing off with an adult doctor?

The handwriting is on the wall. Multiple vaccines will be given, to “bring children up to State standards.” This whole operation is, in fact, a front for forced vaccination. That’s the goal.

But it doesn’t stop there. The covert plan will eventually, if not sooner, include psychiatric diagnoses of so-called “mental disorders.” ADHD, clinical depression, bipolar, and so on. Followed by toxic drugs. Ritalin, Paxil, Zoloft, Prozac, Lithium. It’s a parade of toxicity.

I have demonstrated, over and over, that NONE of these so-called mental disorders are based on diagnostic lab tests. They’re pseudoscience.

I would be quite willing to show this and debate this with any Australian doctor or bureaucrat. Head to head, live on Skype.

Is that a challenge? You bet.

The whole medical takeover of parental roles in Australia is on the move. This is naked State force. Nothing less.

“Doctors in schools” is a wedge, a first step in the door, a first boot on the face.

The propaganda is: “We doctors know best. We have the science. Parents are ignorant. We must protect the children. Public safety overrides parents raising their own children and making the important decisions.”

Get it? See the picture? The State is ripping away the natural right of parents to raise their own children.

It’s called a Medical Police State.

If you, as a parent, had some random doctor enter your house and demand to vaccinate, diagnose, and drug your children—and IF that doctor weren’t backed up by the State with all its coercive powers—if he were just a lone individual claiming he could do whatever he wanted to, to your children, you would throw him out without a moment’s hesitation.

Therefore, what we’re looking at here is force, that’s all. Not science, not freedom, not rights. Force. That’s the bottom line.

If some lone doctor, without force behind him, walked into your house and said he was going to inject your children with a neurotoxin called aluminum, and a toxin called formaldehyde, and a toxin called Polysorbate 80, and several germs—all standard components of vaccines—you would halt the proceeding immediately and investigate this ominous situation. You’d be crazy not to.

Where does all this stop?

I’ll tell you where. Nowhere. It doesn’t stop. Doctors, acting as agents for the State, are going to sink their hands into your lives deeper and deeper. Give an inch, they take a mile.

This is a war against you, your children, your family, and all families. This is what unchecked government does."

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017 ... r-deepens/

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but same sex marriage laws work just fine in the United States of America and other countries. Australia will just be following suit.

Accept it and embrace it.

Regarding vaccinations, they have their place. The problem is when Corporations whose ONLY interest is in maximising profits get the power through lobbiests to write laws to suit their agenda for more profits regardless of the risk...

Scarts wrote:Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but same sex marriage laws work just fine in the United States of America and other countries. Australia will just be following suit.

Accept it and embrace it.

Sure, if they show me the entire bill being proposed.

In America and other countries the same-sex marriage laws have been successfully used to erode our fundamental rights.

"In Canada, freedoms of speech, press and religion have suffered greatly. If one says or writes anything considered "homophobic", anything questioning same sex marriage, one could face discipline, termination of employment, and/or prosecution by the government."

As shown by the ridiculous woman sacking the teenager recently for expressing this fundamental right WHILE AT THE SAME TIME BELIEVING SHE WAS STANDING UP FOR THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH SHE SACKED THE WORKER FOR!!!!

In every country enacting these laws they have drastically changed the way in which parenthood is defined, now children have no right to their biological roots. Using Canada as an example again:

"Canada's gay marriage law, Bill C-38, included a provision to erase the term "natural parent" and replace it across the board with gender-neutral "legal parent" in federal law.

Now all children only have "legal parents", as defined by the state. In effect, same-sex marriage not only deprives children of their own rights to natural parentage, it gives the state the power to override the autonomy of biological parents, which means parental rights are usurped by the government."

As a disclaimer:
I personally am not even 'married' officially. My 'wife' of almost 30 years agrees that we do not need the State, nor some 'church' to 'sanction' and legitimise our love.

The yes vote will go through and a year later nothing will be different, the sky won't fall down upon us. I don't even know what is in the marriage act now and probably won't again in a years time when makes nothing will have changed.

As for parents losing rights, I think it takes a fair bit of neglect or "out there behaviour" by parents or kids before the government steps in. I have no complaints about what has been taught in our schools, as for the safe schools anti bully program, I think it's a great idea. Got into my partners car the other day and was listening to 2UE (he better be listening to it for the sport), I can't believe the amount of paranoia and utter rubbish some of the listeners go on with. Talking about School Principles and boys wearing dresses if they want.

If we try and treat everyone as equals, with dignity and empathy it will maybe creep into other areas. We will hopefully call out mistreatment or inequality in other areas. I think corruption is slowly having the spotlight thrown on it in areas because we won't tolerate inequality any more. I hope we have more change for the good.

Zed

Zed wrote:The yes vote will go through and a year later nothing will be different, the sky won't fall down upon us. I don't even know what is in the marriage act now and probably won't again in a years time when makes nothing will have changed.

As for parents losing rights, I think it takes a fair bit of neglect or "out there behaviour" by parents or kids before the government steps in. I have no complaints about what has been taught in our schools, as for the safe schools anti bully program, I think it's a great idea. Got into my partners car the other day and was listening to 2UE (he better be listening to it for the sport), I can't believe the amount of paranoia and utter rubbish some of the listeners go on with. Talking about School Principles and boys wearing dresses if they want.

If we try and treat everyone as equals, with dignity and empathy it will maybe creep into other areas. We will hopefully call out mistreatment or inequality in other areas. I think corruption is slowly having the spotlight thrown on it in areas because we won't tolerate inequality any more. I hope we have more change for the good.

Zed

I agree with the tone of your thoughts but sadly it is a well-publicised 'slow-boil' of social control.
The Powers That Be wave the hand of 'Social Justice' while the other hand slowly but surely takes away our basic human rights.

You can find numerous places where they have documented their methods and game plan... places they know the vast majority of the public will never bother reading, and those that do will soon be shouted down by their fellows (Plato's cave style).

Here is Bertrand Russell back in 1953... "Education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible."

Now while I have seen plenty of examples of 'good' teachers who care for their students, I have also witnessed some very insidious policies being carried out right in front of my eyes in classrooms all over the country. The eroding of parents' rights have been gradual (the boiling frog tactic), so gradual the vast majority of teachers would not even be aware (although I have spoken to quite a few who are).

The stated end goal is for the State to be 100% responsible for EVERY child, and if you think the State ONLY acts if neglect or 'bad behaviour' is present, you are naive.

It didn't take long for this thread to fill up fast with loopy unwarranted fears and conspiracy theories. Take a couple of chill pills Wolf, and put away your king James bible, vhs video player, and klu Klux Clan outfit.

These fears don't even remotely relate to the same sex marriage debate. There is nothing hidden. We are talking about equality here for consenting adults who want to publicly declare their love for each other. It's called moving with the times. It doesn't encroach upon child vaccinations or losing our freedoms. Is your favourite TV show, "Leave it to Beaver"?

Thanks for that laughably hypocritical quote by Paul Keating. He argues all homosexuals share the same rights and privileges as straight couples, but leaves out that they can't marry, as if nobody knew?????????

So gays cannot publicly proclaim their love for each each other at the moment? That's news to me and the many gays I know.

I'm not into conspiracy 'theories'... I AM however into conspiracy FACTS.

As to your other accusations... personally I believe christainity to be a slave religion formented by the powers of the time (emperor Constantine and the Roman Empire) to prevent the empire being torn apart by the conflicting presbyters wandering around garnering gullible followers to their particular deities.
... haven't had a VHS player since the 90's,
And to suggest I would be part of the Ku Klux Klan is downright rude. I am not the slightest bit rascist... I hate everybody.

Lastly, the title of this thread is 'Same Sex Marriage plebiscite... WHAT'S HIDDEN?'... I thought the title would have given it away to you?

I thought the title was an oxymoron? Everybody knows nothing is hidden!

I must apologise though, I said klu Klux Clan outfit (and yes, that was rude), but I meant your silicon female body suit.

Scarts wrote:I thought the title was an oxymoron? Everybody knows nothing is hidden!

You are absolutely correct, no new legislation hides anything, the ones who write the bills conceal nothing... obfuscate, yes... conceal, no.

They know none of our elected representatives will bother/have the time to read the entire bill.
Have you read any Acts?
I have, they are voluminous indeed... but if one has the patience very interesting things can be found in some.
Not to mention updated with crucial bits removed.

For example:

The TORUM (Tansport Operations Road Use Management) Act 1995 has section 2, (commencement) as required under our Laws of Parliament. But the 'updated' Act of 2002 interestingly enough has removed this vital part of the Act.

A magistrate was very interested in this when presented to her in court. Needless to say she found in my favour and let me go before I could break anything. Interesting little errors in the 'law' like that, when uncovered at the Magistrate level can be ignored as they are not a 'Court of Record'... but if the defendant loses on such a challenge, then appeals to the Appeals Court, which IS a Court of Record, precedent can be set and create a headache for not only the Magistrate, but the entire, corrupt system.

The thing is, there is always an agenda behind proposed acts... sometimes a positive agenda, and sometimes simply corrupt.

Problem is with the former, 'special interests' usually write the Acts in today's world and they end up 'corrupted' to benefit the interested parties.

"All government, in its essence, is a conspiracy against the superior man: its one permanent object is to oppress him and cripple him.
If it be aristocratic in organization, then it seeks to protect the man who is superior only in law against the man who is superior in fact;
if it be democratic, then it seeks to protect the man who is inferior in every way against both.
One of its primary functions is to regiment men by force, to make them as much alike as possible and as dependent upon one another as possible, to search out and combat originality among them.
All it can see in an original idea is potential change, and hence an invasion of its prerogatives.
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are. " ~ H.L. Mencken

I find this quote particularly poignant in today's world, Bill Shorten being the classic example.

"If you do not take an interest in the affairs of your government, then you are doomed to live under the rule of fools." – Plato.