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Violent and aggressive

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:49 pm
by Beastman
Am I right in thinking that the yowie is more aggressive and potentially more dangerous than the north American sasquatch?

There seem to be quite a few tales of the yowie threatening and menacing people. There is even speculation that people and pets have been killed.

In contrast Bigfoot is usually portrayed as a gentle creature that usually avoids humans.

Danger

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:51 pm
by Jo Blose
Beastman,

There are a number of reports of bigfoot / sasquatch attacking humans, and in some cases it would appear the creatures over there may have killed people. If you were to research cases arising out of Death Valley for instance, you may be surprised what you turn up. Most of the dime a dozen 1970's books about Sasquatch & other monsters, detail those reports.

The profiles between Bigfoot and the Yowie are strikingly similar. Like most animals, they are territorial, which may account for some of the more hostile encounters.

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:18 am
by hillbilly
i have recently been thinking about "what if's"with meeting an aggressive yowie.reading reports about ormeau and injured canadian tourists on the south coast.i really think we should consider eliminating the proven aggressive ones.
how will we all feel when a human body turns up in the area of some agro beast.
perhaps a SAS type of mission with one clear objective.

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:14 am
by dawn
Hillbilly I would feel exactly the same way as when I hear someone has been taken by a shark. Its a tragedy to the family, but death is part of life! I don't agree with hunting down the responsible shark, and I certainly wouldn't kill the yowie, I would encourage it to move along to an unpopulated area. That is exactly what India is doing with their leopards at the moment. they are prooving to be a problem in certain areas as the population is actually 'spilling' into their nature reserves. They are capturing and relocating man eating Leopards as much as possible instead of killing them.

You have to remember that when you wander into the 'bush' anywhere it is the animals domain, in Australia we have been brought up to believe every thing is safe and sound!

If a Yowie was to wander into town, break into a house and kill its occupants then obviously you would have to look at that situation differently. You can't blame an animal for defending its own turf, and after all, as humanlike as it is, it is still an animal

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:36 pm
by hillbilly
thanks Dawn,point taken,and some i even agree with.
the point i was making was with regard to those yowies that pose a threat/or have a history of dangerous encounters.proven problem individuals.these and no other.
so many stories abound with reference to game playing and positive interaction,these should be encouraged,and recorded in this site.
the way i view it,and i realise not all would share my view is that if an animal is likely to injure me,my family,or an innocent bushwalker,i would do whatever necesary to avoid this.including killing it.
what would be sad is if someone was injured or killed and all of us that knew the area held a problem yowie had not done a thing.

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:00 pm
by dawn
You have to realize to, Hillbilly if Dean did post the areas where a Yowie had been known to be aggressive or violent, I would guarrentee you it would be the favorite spot to go for very many people! You will always get the dickheads!
thats where I would move them along if possible,(the yowie, not the dickheads) you have to remember that killing one hasn't prooved easy so far! We do have 'problem spots , where we know that there have been aggressive yowies, and attempts have been made to encourage them to find somewhere else to live. Would I feel guilty if someone was killed in an area that we knew them to be? Not at all, I know there are tiger and brown snakes living at the back of my property, if you choose to wander through there then you do so at your own risk. Its the same with bushalking! There can be no guarrentee of anyones safety in the bush, I can think of half a dozen things that could kill you or a family member without straining the brain!

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:52 pm
by Beastman
I agree with Dawn. If you go into their territory you put your life in your hands.
Humans do not own this planet. We've trashed enough ecosystems and destroyed enough species as it is.
A species as rare and important as the yowie should be left alone, unless, like a rogue bear, an individual enters urban areas.

Yowie

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:29 am
by Jo Blose
I disagree Beastman. There are plenty of instances where the Yowie has ecroached onto properties and frightened people. The Yowie has made itself available in some situations for interaction with human beings and further human interaction with them is partly why this site was created.

Hillbilly, there are many reported instances where bigfoot creatures have been shot in the states and the creatures either vanish into thin air or they run off into the forests. Some have even been shot point blank numerous times with no body turning up. If that's true of bigfoot, why would it not apply to the Yowie?

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:12 am
by hillbilly
thanks guys,but understand that i am not promoting mindless slaughter.its just the control of those proven aggressive,problem ones,before someone gets hurt.
as Dawn said,move them on,great idea.
i wouldn't feel guilt if someone was injured,its not my doing.but i would feel sad if the person was hurt in an area we know contains a potential threat.

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:26 am
by dawn
HI Joe, I have read over the years of Biggie disappearing in a blinding flash, when shot, of taking God know how many rounds from a riffle and not seeming to notice, etc. There seemed to be a lot more of these type reports 30 years ago than there are today! I don't know if its just the investigators are so caught up in the F&B issue that they just ignore the bits that don't support it ! I had a brilliant book back then, which I lent to someone who, not only didn't return the book, but disappeared off the face of the earth as well!
I wish I could remember the name, but the author only included the reports that were too weird for the 'serious' investigator to investigate! Most of the events happened pre-1970, and included some extrememly odd happenings!

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:40 am
by dawn
Wandering onto properties and peering through windows, interaction with humans isn't really something I would concider as violent or aggressive behavour, I would put it down to curiosity! Ofcourse the owner of the home might percieve it that way! I would figure that something that big would just come on right through your wall if it really wanted in. Really what are the odds? Even for the yanks living in bear country, how many really attack someone in their own backyard, I would doubt that percentage wise it would be many, most attacks occur when humans invade their domain, be it hunting, camping bushwalking, whatever.

When my daughter was hiking in Canada earlier this year, and miraculusly, she managed not to provoke any animal to attack her, she told me of how all the hiking trails are clearly marked with signs stating the last time and date a bear was seen from that particular trail. If there was a recent sighting the trail was closed. It is also illegal to hike in the areas she was in alone or in pairs, I think 3 or more together was required. A really big fine if the rangers caught you breaking that rule! Maybe in the future we will concider something like that.

"Aggressive Yowie spoted from this trail on the 4/4/06"
Then you really would be entering at your own risk!

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:29 pm
by hillbilly
that book sounds like a good read.could we assume it would be late 60's,early 70's print?and american?

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:49 pm
by dawn
You sure can Hillbilly, thats all you could get back then, I wish I could remember what it was called!

yowie

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:17 pm
by Jo Blose
Hi Dawn,

Until recently there was a Bigfoot site that concentrated only on reports where there was a paranormal aspect. (The name escapes me right now!)Those reports were as modern as the 21st century, ie the last 6 years, and there were plenty. I may even have printed off most of that information before that site was pulled.

As for the Australian Yowie, I've spoken first hand with two separate credible witnesses who claim to have separately seen a yowie creature before them as clear as day, and for it to fade & vanish out of sight. Those occassions were within the last 10 years.

Hillbilly, it would be great if potentially dangerous Yowies were like problem leopards that could be moved away to other areas. Unfortunately, Yowies don't seem to be as tangible. In most cases, they cause a person to become frightened and the person runs off and doesn't return. The complexities of the Yowie have been discussed and debated at great lengths in previous threads. If you have the time, as a suggestion, have a read of archived threads on this site.