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G'day everyone, I thought this video maybe of interest.. In my opinion it is to date, the most compelling footage to come out of Aussie, enjoy..
https://youtu.be/Crl1n39reZg

Pertys80 wrote: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:35 am G'day everyone, I thought this video maybe of interest.. In my opinion it is to date, the most compelling footage to come out of Aussie, enjoy..

I am afraid that due to Paul faking images in the past I simply cant trust whats being presented in this 30 second clip.

It maybe compelling for some but not for me, I have replayed it about 15 or so times now and there is no sign of Yowie at all in this clip, just a few branches that seem to move a little and an audio piece that well could have been added to the video.

Again his past process of doctoring images doesnt do his cred any good. IMO.

Duplicating that video clip would be simple. Just have someone shake some branches and edit in a gorilla's roar! Then zoom in and be sure to lose a bit focus.

I log onto AYR most days in the hope of seeing some outstanding new evidence. Sadly, no sign of a Yowie here. Let's move on.

I was shown this last night and can only see another piece of fakery by one P. McLeod. First thing, only the smaller trees are shaken that have an over growth of vines on them to make the shaking effect bigger than what it really is. Secondly, the noise this creature supposedly makes, there is a pop noise just before it happens which was told to me by someone I know that works in the media and is experienced if over lapping sound onto video's, says this is somthing that will happen when a sound is poorly overlaid onto a video. Plus the sound that supposedly this creature makes sounds like it's coming from a animal that's in a pen or in a area where walls are. This sound would be totally different if coming from an open area such as in the film. Also this sound when the so called creature screams has been made louder! Why? Thirdly, why zoom into where nothing can be seen at all. Fourthly. Why??? Is the video a very short one and why? No reaction at all when the creature makes the supposide noise. Just as Elaine says on Seinfeld FAKE FAKE FAKE!

Forgot to add, there is no sign of a Yowie at all! So the Yowie Threat heading is totally wrong, You have more chance of seeing a guy in a flanney with footy shorts on and wearing thongs with a durry in his mouth than a Yowie here.

Pertys80 , Paul admitted to lying to you (see attachment below) and everyone else on this forum . He decieved an unwitting Gary Opit with fake images and story and manipulated images to claim a "historic image" . Do you actually belive the above video is the real thing ?

Like Dion, I think Paul's history lends weight to the suggestion that this is too good to be true.

Someone already has my first reaction in the questions below the video : this is a very short clip, what of the footage leading up to and immediately after this clip being shot?

Also:

What happened to get his attention right there on that day? Longer footage would indeed help.

What are the odds that he just happened to have the shot perfectly framed as the action begins?

He also remains very steady for several seconds after the tree stops moving but then says in the comments he took flight when it happened. If the flight response was indeed how he reacted, the flight response is an instant practically involuntary reaction humans have, so why the delay in taking off?

Too many inconsistencies already.

I'm predict there will be many pertinent questions that will go entirely unanswered.

It’s a shame that someone who can write well and research thoroughly should present this kind of evidence.
At least in other forms of this narrative we saw how chocolate crackles are made.

T.

Tuckeroo wrote: Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:41 pm It’s a shame that someone who can write well and research thoroughly should present this kind of evidence.
At least in other forms of this narrative we saw how chocolate crackles are made.

T.

Chocolate crackles and meatballs!

I must say I was disappointed that there was no eye shine in this clip........

Outback lurker wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:06 am I must say I was disappointed that there was no eye shine in this clip........

You mean Grigori Eyeshine!

Firstly, as a new comer to this scene Im really dissapointed to see so many that should know better then to let their pride, ego and animosity get in the way of what could be one of the most compelling peices of video to come out of Aussie..
I cant get over the amount of people here just scoffing at it, imediately calling it a hoax with no analysis, just because it came from Paul Mcleod?
How about break it down properly before calling it out as a hoax, just because you have a problem with the person presenting the evidence, that is being biased.
I dont know the full story behind the Paul McLeod saga, and I have no intentions on delving into it.. If I wanted a soap opera, I'd go watch the Days of our lives.
I understand people screw up from time to time, but to condemn them and their future works just because, is toxic..
Paul is one of the few people out there dedicating a lot of time and effort into his research, not mention actually getting out there in amongst it all.. There seems to be an over abundance of armchair researchers on this forum, that have nothing better to do than poo poo other peoples work regardless of how convincing the evidence..
I knew this forum was clicky, but really this bad?
From an outsiders perspective I can see very clear there is a "boys club" mentality here, it always seems to be the same members telling others what is and what isnt. Truth is, no one in the public sector has all the answers, we can only share our views and opinions.
I'll be first to say, I've learnt a lot from this forum and the Yowie community in general.. But I can also see the Aussie Yowie community going down exactly the same path as what has happened in the US, infighting is toxic people..
Yes, I think people need to be called out for being deceitful. I think Bigfoot Tony is doing a great job, he brings it all to the table and breaks it down the way it should be. No name calling, jeering or s$#t stirring in general..
I once read the "A Yowie named Yurk" thread, while I wouldnt agree with what Jason was claiming, I couldnt believe what was coming out of other members keyboards, real mature guys..
I dont know Paul personally, and I have nothing against the bloke.. He has always been respectful towards me and my work, and given invaluable feedback.
I'd like to think I can trust my gut instinct, I just can't see Paul going out to a location and getting someone to shake trees while he films and then edit in sound affects afterwards, and you call others out for clutching straws?
Apart from the Piper footage, I dont think we have the fakery and hoaxing that goes on in the US. Is Paraedolia a problem? Of course it is, but IMO that is completely different to intentionally hoaxing.
Now before I get the big lecture along the lines of "these people ruin our credibility" and "no wonder we can't be taken seriously", ask yourself this.... If you found a body of a Yowie, what would be the chances of actually getting the evidence out there and convincing the masses? I bet your bottom dollar you would have next to no chance. It is pretty evident there is a cover up going on here, and its not just the ignorance of our politicians..You can compile all the scientific evidence and data you want and present it to whoever you feel fit, but without the approval of the powers that be, nothing will be disclosed.
I hope I'm wrong, but right now I dont see it any other way..
One might ask why I bother to go out and look for evidence myself, well first and foremost I'm doing it for myself and anyone else willing to see my journey along the way. Secondly, what better excuse do you need to get out in amongst the great outdoors. If I got lucky one day, I'd gladly help the cause for disclosure, but that I wouldnt be putting much faith in.. I feel there is too much bickering at grassroots level, and its just what the powers that be want.. (Divide and Conquer)
So there you have it, after sitting back in the shadows I can keep quiet no more. I realise I've essentially committed AYR suicide by saying all of this, but I really couldnt give a c**p no more. I've had my vent, and it feels bloody good too..
This forum has the potential to be alive and thriving, just do away with the clicky boys club mentality and let others have there say without the fear of being shut down.. cheers

Well, that was a long interesting read. The reason why Pauls account was deleted because he was found to be doctoring photos amongst other things, when members on here asked valid and intelligent questions he never answered them. All he did was to ignore and post another thread. Alot of members on here have experience in photography or using video equipment and found out there were Meta Data irregularities in many of his photos with Paint.net being used to change photos before being posted on here. Paul answered no questions or gave any valid reasons why he changed or doctored photos without releasing the originals first. Most photos were either cropped or had backgrounds changed. The main reason why Paul was booted off this site was the FOUL language he used towards me and other members on here, that's a big no no on any site. Many members have been on this site since its first day or not long after and have seen the likes of Paul come and go and attempt to try to make a name for themselves by either faking videos or pictures with deception. The whole basis of this forum is to post your findings on here and 'truthful' findings not 'fraudulent' and when asked a question, answer the question. That's the whole meaning of "Forum" ask and answer questions!. I personally like this site that Dean has created because we as a group being old and new members discuss everything Yowie related with a fine tooth comb. If someone steals from you you are never again going to trust them are you, it goes the same with research no matter what it is if you're caught out no one will trust anything you do again, that's just human nature once bitten twice shy. There is so much hoaxing going on and pictures being doctored that a site like this is needed to bring out the truth. No one makes you stay on this site and anyone can come and go as they please.

I think that we should be very careful about sharing other people's work even if it out there in the public domain.
I have personally shared someone else's work on my own page and have had to remove it as I found out that it was stolen imagery and was lied to about it's origin.

In my opinion if you want to share something, share your own work. If you want to share someone else's work don't get upset if people reject it. I completely agree with the comments regarding Paul McCleod's work. How can he be trusted after he has admitted to deliberately hoaxing members of the forum.

Further as a relative newbie to field research myself, there are people here that have been doing this for 15 to 20 years. They know what is the real deal and what to question further and what to dismiss.
So why get upset if people reject what you post or share. It is their opinion and they're entitled to it. If you want it broken down, break it down and tell us your opinion. Tell people why you think it is compelling don't just have a rant because you disagree....

yowiedan wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:38 pm Well, that was a long interesting read. The reason why Pauls account was deleted because he was found to be doctoring photos amongst other things, when members on here asked valid and intelligent questions he never answered them. All he did was to ignore and post another thread. Alot of members on here have experience in photography or using video equipment and found out there were Meta Data irregularities in many of his photos with Paint.net being used to change photos before being posted on here. Paul answered no questions or gave any valid reasons why he changed or doctored photos without releasing the originals first. Most photos were either cropped or had backgrounds changed. The main reason why Paul was booted off this site was the FOUL language he used towards me and other members on here, that's a big no no on any site. Many members have been on this site since its first day or not long after and have seen the likes of Paul come and go and attempt to try to make a name for themselves by either faking videos or pictures with deception. The whole basis of this forum is to post your findings on here and 'truthful' findings not 'fraudulent' and when asked a question, answer the question. That's the whole meaning of "Forum" ask and answer questions!. I personally like this site that Dean has created because we as a group being old and new members discuss everything Yowie related with a fine tooth comb. If someone steals from you you are never again going to trust them are you, it goes the same with research no matter what it is if you're caught out no one will trust anything you do again, that's just human nature once bitten twice shy. There is so much hoaxing going on and pictures being doctored that a site like this is needed to bring out the truth. No one makes you stay on this site and anyone can come and go as they please.

Well said Yowiedan

Pertys80 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 am Firstly, as a new comer to this scene Im really dissapointed to see so many that should know better then to let their pride, ego and animosity get in the way of what could be one of the most compelling peices of video to come out of Aussie..

Firstly there are many researchers here on AYR that have been researchers for many years, have been out on the field dedicating there time, effort and money to a selfless cause to suggest that their pride, ego and animosity has gotten in the way is a rather cheap shot at some very knowledgeable people.

Pertys80 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 am I cant get over the amount of people here just scoffing at it, imediately calling it a hoax with no analysis, just because it came from Paul Mcleod?
How about break it down properly before calling it out as a hoax, just because you have a problem with the person presenting the evidence, that is being biased.
I dont know the full story behind the Paul McLeod saga, and I have no intentions on delving into it.. If I wanted a soap opera, I'd go watch the Days of our lives.

As has been previously pointed out Paul never answered the hard questions as to why his photos and videos were put through Paint.net and many other unanswered questions. You have admitted you dont know the full story of the Paul Mcleod saga, then I rest my case. Paul was displaced as a member here because he would not answer questions and later on stated in abusing members here.

Pertys80 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 am Paul is one of the few people out there dedicating a lot of time and effort into his research, not mention actually getting out there in amongst it all..

And other researcher on the forum havent? dont be so quick to judge.

Pertys80 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 am From an outsiders perspective I can see very clear there is a "boys club" mentality here, it always seems to be the same members telling others what is and what isnt.

Maybe humble yourself a bit and understand that there are some long, long standing researchers on here that are only willing to tell it like it is and give a bit of guidance to new people who come along.

Pertys80 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 am Truth is, no one in the public sector has all the answers, we can only share our views and opinions.

I agree and this it what the forum is about share views and opinions, to have a debate about whats right and wrong, if by all means a new researcher takes offence to some old researchers comments then thats their problem.

Pertys80 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 am I once read the "A Yowie named Yurk" thread, while I wouldnt agree with what Jason was claiming, I couldnt believe what was coming out of other members keyboards, real mature guys..

Again if you new the back story of this you would know that Jason and Jason were known hoaxes as well. I suggest you do some research.

Pertys80 wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 amIs Paraedolia a problem? Of course it is, but IMO that is completely different to intentionally hoaxing.
Now before I get the big lecture along the lines of "these people ruin our credibility" and "no wonder we can't be taken seriously", ask yourself this.... If you found a body of a Yowie, what would be the chances of actually getting the evidence out there and convincing the masses? I bet your bottom dollar you would have next to no chance. It is pretty evident there is a cover up going on here, and its not just the ignorance of our politicians..You can compile all the scientific evidence and data you want and present it to whoever you feel fit, but without the approval of the powers that be, nothing will be disclosed.

I agree with much of the above the rest of your vent as you put it I do not.

Forgive me here Pertys80 but did you not have a youtube channel at some stage any reason I cant find it any longer?

Having said all the above, I quite enjoyed you research efforts.

Regards

Well Paul or should I say Pertys80 as you now call yourself. You must be spitting chips that you were booted off here. I did see that one of your replies to a comment on your video about Ayr was that you didn't care what we do or say. I find it quite hilarious and funny that you actually do care with what we say here. Where did you download the dinosaur recording to POORLY overlay that onto your video, dodgy work indeed. What will be your next name on here after you get booted again. You may be able to deceive subscribers on YouTube but for us intelligent researchers your just a hoaxer, what's your next video a Yowie doing laps in Ippy swimming pool with Pyjamas on! Next time your do a video about Ayr make sure to hide your name Pertys80 hahahaha .

This is who Pertys80 is

Yowiedan this all a bit strange. I did wonder in that lengthy post by Pertys80
why someone would write so much in defence of someone else.
It all makes sense now. Thanks for the detective work.

T.

Yeah, but what if it's not fake ?

Good one, yowiedan. Your clever detective work would have made Sherlock Holmes proud.

Must say I suspected all along that Pertys80 was a pseudonym used by McLeod. Just couldn't prove it.

The way he went into bat (for himself) and the words he used doubled the suspicions! Also the fact that Rusty asked a simple yes or no question which was completely ignored... in exactly the same way as Paul so often did!

LOL crucial thread but so sad there are such determined fakers who cast doubt on all of us and get in the way of genuine research and perhaps the survival of the species itself/themselves.

It's a video of some trees shaking with a (very obviously fake) sound effect added in after the fact.

I don't care who posted it or why, but that's what I saw and heard in that video.

yowiedan wrote: Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:43 pm This is who Pertys80 is

Hey Yowiedan

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit, yes we have all had enough of Paul Mcleod's antics with faking things, but to start accusing people of being other people with out the good solid proof is out of line.

The above photos you have posted of Pertys80 account with a blow up of Paul Mcleod next to it doesnt prove anything, unless I am missing something?

I believe Pertys80 is "Andrews B.O.T.G Yowie Quest" On Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3M6Z5 ... Umw/videos

I was able to find his Youtube channel after not being able to locate it.

Again I think people need to calm down a bit, oh and I am happy to be proving wrong with the above.

Just my own 2 cents at the moment.

Dion wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:04 am
I believe Pertys80 is "Andrews B.O.T.G Yowie Quest" On Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3M6Z5 ... Umw/videos

Hey Dion
I was under the same impression aswell.

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit, yes we have all had enough of Paul Mcleod's antics with faking things, but to start accusing people of being other people with out the good solid proof is out of line.
Thanks Dion. doesn't matter who pertys is he or she made some valid points. Like it not!
I access all posts, video and audio evidence on face value, evaluate it and go from there. Maybe Pauls videos are faked, who knows, what's to gain? Is there any such thing as a rich crypto zoologist? I know what I think of Pauls evidence, pareidolia, blob squatchs and audio. Really amounts to nothing. Fake or not!
The only people who take the subject seriously are on this site.
Yes I choose to be a member of yowie hunters, Paul Mcleod' is no longer. You don't have to view his videos, just like I don't have to log on to this site.
Respect pertys opinion,
Live and let live.
Cheers bluedog

Re: Paul McLeod delivers the goods!
Post by yowiedan » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:38 pm

Well Paul or should I say Pertys80 as you now call yourself. You must be spitting chips that you were booted off here. I did see that one of your replies to a comment on your video about Ayr was that you didn't care what we do or say. I find it quite hilarious and funny that you actually do care with what we say here. Where did you download the dinosaur recording to POORLY overlay that onto your video, dodgy work indeed. What will be your next name on here after you get booted again. You may be able to deceive subscribers on YouTube but for us intelligent researchers your just a hoaxer, what's your next video a Yowie doing laps in Ippy swimming pool with Pyjamas on! Next time your do a video about Ayr make sure to hide your name Pertys80 hahahaha .




Pretty sad!!!!!!

Bluedog wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:55 am Pretty sad!!!!!!

What's sad is the Paul Mcleod video shown in the OP above!!! It was presented as evidence on AYR forum so therefore it should be talked about. Yes I dont have to watch Paul Mcleod's videos on youtube, mind you I dont care because I know they are full of but if they are presented here they will be a debated to the legitimacy.

Yowiedan may have made a little assuming comment about Pertys80, however people do and will continue to make mistakes in judgement from time to time. Including myself. Thats life.

And yes there are some very long time researches who do take this seriously, as do the 100+ audio witness reports that have been filed who have had sightings of the creature and the many witnesses that aren't on this site at all.

What's sad is the small amount of attention seeking Hoaxes out there.

If the Pertys80 member name is BOTG let him come clean and say it's his account. Until then I'm staying with my claim that its McLeod!

yowiedan wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:14 pm If the Pertys80 member name is BOTG let him come clean and say it's his account. Until then I'm staying with my claim that its McLeod!

I posted a comment to the YouTube channel commenting on the possibility that the responders praising the video were either a bunch of deluded idiots or else (more likely) just Paul's collection of sock-puppets, and it never saw the light of day . . .

yowiedan wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:14 pm If the Pertys80 member name is BOTG let him come clean and say it's his account. Until then I'm staying with my claim that its McLeod!

Yowiedan, Pertys80 first ever post below note the location.

Pertys80 wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 12:53 pm G'day everyone, new member from the Central Coast of NSW. I have a passion for the outdoors, Paranormal and of course Cryptozoology.
I haven't seen a Yowie yet, but I have no doubt they exist. I can't say I've ever gone looking for one, but would love to meet like minded people around my area and maybe go for a look one day.
In a few months my morning drive to work will see me driving through some promising country before dawn, can only hope I might just see something unexpected ..
Enjoying the content, plenty of good reading

Pertys80 thread on finding footprints in Ku-ring-gai also a Youtube video with the same subject.

http://www.yowiehunters.net/viewtopic.p ... 044#p52044

Andrews B.O.T.G Yowie Quest Youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CYNajDFpLE