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Yowie vs Bigfoot

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:42 pm
by boojumjo
Hi Everyone,

Although I'm new here, I've decided to start a new topic of discussion after much appreciated encouragement from you guys (Dawn, Nathe, Mikka & Romeo etc) :D

After reading through most of the expedition reports on AYR, I noticed some startling differences in the behaviour exhibited by Yowies & Bigfoot.

Most of the Bigfoot reports I've read so far involved rather 'fleeting' glimpses of the creatures. By most accounts, the Bigfoot/Sasquatch of the North American continent seems a rather shy, elusive & retiring creature. The 'close encounters' usually range from vocalisations (sans sightings), sightings (sans vocalisation), sightings + vocalisations (rare), responsive tree-thumping (sans sightings+vocalisation), responsive tree-thumping+vocalisation (sans sightings) and very rarely - rock throwing (sans sightings). I've discounted the odd reports which allege Bigfoot 'abductions' of humans, or 'continuous interaction' with human neighbours as unreliable, because they are more often than not, related by colourful characters who are not too credible by ANY standards.

By contrast, the Australian Yowie encounter reports often read like action-packed thriller/stalker novels :shock: I've read through all the official expedition reports on AYR & I've noticed this behavioural trait in Yowies time & again - they seem positively agressive, rambunctious, tenacious & sometimes even sinister (the silent stalkers). While most of the Bigfoot reports yield VERY LITTLE 'too-close-for-comfort' encounters (often the expeditions are even 'no-shows'), the Yowie reports however, are PACKED with scores of 'pee-in-your-pants' situations - with Yowies often stalking, surrounding and even confronting the researchers, stomp-warning or even face-to-face snarling at their would-be hunters, and to top it all off...CHASING after the researchers. I have NEVER read any (credible) Bigfoot report that contains ANY of these 'too-close-for-comfort' behavioural traits, beyond the occasional 'unseen' rock-throwing-from-afar as a back-off warning. Even those reports of 'surprise' face-to-face encounters usually end with the startled Bigfoot turning around & ambling off silently, or perhaps with a startled grunt.

What do you guys think are the contributary factors to this curious contrast in Yowie/Bigfoot behaviours? I've made a list of 'possibilities' below. Would welcome your observations & opinions on this issue.

a) The 2 species have inherently (biologically) different behavioural profiles/traits as individuals.

b) The 2 species have inherently (biologically) different cultural dynamics as community groups.

c) The 2 species live in extremely different environments, which contribute to the evolution of extremely contrasting survival behaviours. (ie: Bigfoot - vast expanse of mountainous, temperate woodlands provide opportunities for non-confrontational, solitary/single-family-unit survival. Yowie - harsh weather/geographical extremities with varying environs mountainous woodland, thick bush/scrubland - conducive for ambush hunting, family/tribal units preferred for effective survival.

d) Bigfoot (pl) are more inclined to retire to the remotest parts of the wilderness which are not easily accessible by the general public, thereby lessening the Bigfoot-human encounters and avoiding the necessity to be territorially agressive. While Yowies are more inclined to be opportunistic survivalists (harsher environs, scarcer resources) and shadow human habitation for 'easier meat', so they have established agressive territorial behaviours due to generations of human encroachment into even the remotest parts of the Australian continent (1st by the Aborigines, then by the pioneers/ranchers/miners).

e) The Yowie researchers are somehow (dare I say it?) better skilled at tracking, hunting and luring the creatures and are therefore more adept at producing 'too-close-for-comfort' encounters with the Yowies than the Bigfoot researchers could with the Bigfoot (pl). - :oops: No offence intended to the many dedicated Bigfoot researchers out there, but one feels the need to cover ALL possibilities here, nomatterhow 'simplistic' they seem at first glance. Perhaps the Yowie researchers' lack of 'fancy' equipment (when compared to their American counterparts) necessitated more urgent tactical strategies to produce such encounters? In most Bigfoot reports, I've seldom read of team members being left alone as 'bait/lure/decoy' or 'going-it-alone' in the dark, regardless of their levels of experience. And I have NEVER come across any other giant hominid researcher attempting that particular strategy that Dean used once (forgot the name of the report), in which he doubled-back down to the bank of the creek & hid there in the bush ALONE, because he suspected the Yowies to use that spot as a crossing point (which was eventually confirmed when 2 Yowies trudged past him in the night, just inches from where he lay hiding in the bush).


Well these are just a few thoughts that I've been juggling around in my noggin for the past week. Would you guys like to discuss this? Please feel free to respond.

Don't know why, but I kinda get the feeling that if we could 'figure' out the 'why's behind these behavioural traits, then perhaps we could devise even better strategies to get even closer encounters or outsmart them enough to get some credible footage or other tangible evidence.

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:20 pm
by nathe
mate..that was well said,,,enjoyed the topic heaps...i agree with u in regards to the so called bigfoot abductions,totally fake,as to the bigfoot vs yowie topic ive noticed alot that the yowie tends to be more aggressive and show hossitly towards humans more than sasquatch does....ive noticed more fear in the australian natives towards the yowie than the natives of north america towards bigfoot.the american natives seem to feel he is a protector of the forest.however the aborigines tend to say he is an evil spirit of the forest and have warned us white settlers long ago of his aggressive behaviour...i must say that after ive read jo's post and various AYR reports i find myself intimidated by the fact of puting myself in the blue mountains with 2 mates waiting for this creature..it is a risk and a scary one,but i got to say the more iam out there camping the more closer i will get to seing this elusive bugger.by the way my trip to the mountains last weekend was a no go,,resheduled for this friday and saturday night....more prepared....

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:24 pm
by nathe
here is an interesting page on when bigfoot attacks...
even a part from NSW 1912 of an aggressive yowie...
the story i find a total hoax is Albert Ostman's account of being abducted by a bigfoot :roll: ... anyhows thought u'd like to see jo...

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:38 pm
by Alex
It wasn't an abduction, and, from recent evidence, might not have even been Bigfoot! Just some local kids.

I've read in various places that bigfoot have chased/attacked people, but mainly animals, esp. dogs.

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:40 am
by dawn
Thankyou for posting boojumjo, I found that whole post very interesting.

Another thought about why 'our Yowies' may tend to be more aggressive, (apart from the fact that Aussies are tuff!LOL), maybe due to the original interaction between them and the native Australians originally here.

Don't they have 'legends' of fighting with and driving off Yowies in the long-agos? If that was the case then generations of being attacked may have made an normally placid hommid to retaliate in kind!

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:28 am
by Romeo
dawn wrote:Thankyou for posting boojumjo, I found that whole post very interesting.

Another thought about why 'our Yowies' may tend to be more aggressive, (apart from the fact that Aussies are tuff!LOL), maybe due to the original interaction between them and the native Australians originally here.

Don't they have 'legends' of fighting with and driving off Yowies in the long-agos? If that was the case then generations of being attacked may have made an normally placid hommid to retaliate in kind!
You beat me to it Dawn. :)

This is what I would have said.

Aparently, tens of thousands of years ago when aborigines first came to Australia, they fought and won a war against another race already here. A hairy race.
(No, us Italians didn't come until later.) :wink:

I have never heard of this friction between the American Indians and the Sasquach. The Indians even seemed to look upon them as spririts to worship. There seemed to be a mutual respect.

Exactly the opposite of what supposedly happened here. Maybe it was this initial contact that that caused the behavioral difference. Perhaps the yowies now have an instinctive fear of man. The same way we fear animals like the shark. And it's easy to hate what you fear.

I'd say if there was no competition for the food and space when the first of the aborigines arrived, the yowie and sasquach may have more in common.

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:49 pm
by Buck
I think the Australian Yowie definitely has a case of "You, me carpark now!'' about them.

I also wonder if there are more Yowies than Sasquatch competing per square kilometer of habitation that might add to the agro.

It could also be case of learned behaviour. If another Yowie, let alone a human wanders into occupied territory... an aggressive repsonse produces a desired outcome. The offender usually runs away.

If it doesn't work the first time it's a case of chucking a rock and yelling... " Are you deaf!? I said...GO AWAY!" (In Yowese of course)

If the person doesn't run away, the Yowie probably thinks 'Holy Cr*p!!! Researcher!' and alternatively makes himself scarce.

Cheers Buck

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:06 pm
by Dean Harrison
Now THAT is funny Buck.....

"Oh c**p, it's a researcher".

In some areas I know, probably not so far from the truth.


DMH

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:32 pm
by boojumjo
nathe wrote:here is an interesting page on when bigfoot attacks...
even a part from NSW 1912 of an aggressive yowie...
the story i find a total hoax is Albert Ostman's account of being abducted by a bigfoot :roll: ... anyhows thought u'd like to see jo...
Thanks for the response, Nathe... :shock: but I think you kinda left out the URL for the webpage. BTW I fully agree with your views on Ostman. Even when I read his story as a kid, I felt his tale too outlandish to be true. Although I'm always open to the notion of 'sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction', I'm inclined to doubt the veracity of his claims based on the absence of tangible evidence - one would have thought that being held captive for so long, he would have had plenty of opportunity to grab some hair/stool/bones/tools etc to verify his story when he returned to human society. But then again...he was a strange, recluse type of character & maybe under such freaky circumstances, no one would have been in the frame of mind to do so etc. Anyway, I wasn't there...so what do I know eh? :wink:

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:27 am
by Alex
Ok, I just realised my previous post was to do with something totally different. I apologise to those of you who I confused, and, also, it made me look stupid.. :roll:

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/beck.htm

Was the story I was thinking of.

I'm still not sure on the Ostman story. Seems abit.. thingy, unusual.

Also, this link is kind of scary. Reminds me more of a Yowie than a bigfoot